Big Brown Revenge

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00:16 Jake: This is the Jet Kingdom Podcast, episode number 16 for Thursday, December 6, 2007. Big Brown Revenge. Well, welcome to Jet Kingdom Podcast is actually episode number 16. Big into thing, I am always, as always, Jake and on the other side of the digital aisle I have as always. It's Justin as always. Hey Justin, how you doing? Justin: Welcome everybody to a wonderful Jet Kingdom podcast episode 16. Jake: happiness flows from the ceiling so let's go back since our last podcast was right before is on the Monday night right before the Dolphins versus Pittsburgh let's go back and talk about that game first to kind of get us back into the swing of things then we'll go on and talk about Justin: the other games so yeah we'll kind of rewind back to our throne picks from the previous weeks or are in other kingdoms. from the previous week. Yeah. Because it has to do with the Dolphins who play us this week. And they came so close. They were so close against Pittsburgh. Yeah. That we just dominated and, or not really dominated but beat. Yeah. And I thought Pittsburgh was gonna kill him. And they came out and they probably would have had not for been the worst field I've ever seen in my life. Yeah. like the guys are literally sinking i won't really go into those some my Jake: favorite stuff in that game for sporty was the return of it was the return and goodbye to ricky ricky martin ricky martin for ricky williams Justin: very good Jake: katie reagan like ricky martin yeah six six carries for fifteen yards he was stepped on in the second uh... in like one of the carries and basically that's it he's out for the season so I thought we were gonna see Ricky I was a little upset about that yeah I think actually Ricky would have probably done a little bit more damage but anyway jumping ahead that game was torrential I can't believe it came down to the last 17 seconds I know being married to a Dolphin fan I'll tell ya brutal because she is just not happy. And that was just a hard game, a hard loss. If you think you're going to almost win against this team, and in fact, they won or they lost almost like we won against them, meaning kind of down to the wire. It was a kick. It was a three-point game. And that's it. Of course, that weather did help the Dolphins. I mean, they had the chance to. Go on and move the ball. Yeah. Like, you couldn't. It was impossible. My favorite part was really my favorite scene is that is the punt that goes up in the air and then just splat right in the mud there. So that ended that week. And then we kind of fast forward. And it was the week that was last week

03:01 Jake: where we were the one point underdogs. to the dolphins. You know, there was a little, I wrote an article, a little Ruhr's rant, which might be a new segment, the takeover for those jester's keeps that aren't showing up. Justin: Let me tell you something, you know this, I've tried to publish a couple times. Technical difficulties. Jake: Yeah, forget it. Yeah, exactly. You can't even speak about it, you shouldn't even have to. So the point, we were one point underdogs against the Dolphins. Now, as I said in the article, you know, it's okay to be underdogs, but not against a team that A, you've beaten, a team that you've beaten, the team that they just lost to. and that a team has never won? I mean, you could throw in they have a three-point advantage. So basically we were two-point underdogs because they gave a three-point advantage to being in the Dolphin Stadium. But we've also swept them for the last three games before this game. I just don't understand any how we were underlined. But go to the game now and you get to see why maybe we were so mad because basically... This was the Dolphins vs. Jet in Miami. I went down, as I do always, to this game and had a great tailgate with a bunch of guys, a bunch of Jet fans, and my wife, of course, which was fun. And it was beautiful weather, 80 degrees, and I sat up in a section, we were chairing, we were doing the whole thing. It was the throwbacks, which is kind of fun. Jets were in their blue and gold and I hate to say it, they're kind of growing on me. I kind of like the blue and gold. I think it's a nice color combination. But anyway, so I had on my throwback hat, the one that you see in the press conferences with Mangini, and the game started off actually pretty even. And we kind of got away with them with the touchdown. And then the- the Dolphins came back with a field goal and it looked like this was going to be a typical battle, a bit typical AFC East, but it broke away. I mean, after the half, the Jets just started to dominate, basically, you know, sacking John Beck left and right, and Clemens started to shine. He started to really throw, I mean, threw some really long balls, one of which was That one to McArrens was awesome. Justin: Yeah, I mean that was a really awesome throw. He threw that like 60 yards in the air and I looked at my roommate who I was watching the game with and I was like wow. Yeah. I just, was that a great throw or have I just not seen that in a while? Jake: That was toss. It was a good throw. McCarrens had to stop a little to come back. That was perfect. But the big, I think the big, I mean, it looks like after the, after the, our bye week, you know, Mangina has been much more involved in the defense and this defense, even with missing some players, has kind of shown up. I mean, maybe not against the... the Cowboys but man the the Steelers and the and the Dolphins this has been an all over defense they're playing

06:00 Justin: the Dolphins you know I don't want to take anything away from the defense but the Dolphins suck and you know what the defense did what they were supposed to do right which is dumb they they were who we thought they were they are who we thought they are they suck they they don't know I mean This guy Beck, as we said, he was going to be terrible. No pocket presence, as we said. Second round pick, only his third, fourth start. He threw three picks. We were all over him at one point. I think it was two straight plays on defense where we sacked him and he fumbled. I think it was like we stripped them once and then we went down and scored and then the next play we stripped him again He fumbled we went down and scored so It got kind of out of hand at the end when we knew they were gonna throw Jake: Yeah, we were just aggressive and if you look that we were not we were not blitzing all up blitzing that much We were just putting a lot of pressure. It was a changeup of the front line It was that you know, keep them fresh in and out which really seemed to help. John Beck, yeah, he didn't... You can't tell. I mean, it's hard. I listen to dolphin stuff, and I obviously, you know, married a dolphin, so I talk about it a lot. But you can't tell... Are you married to a... I'm married to a dolphin, yeah. Really? No. Is that... or a cow? I know. I know what you're saying. You're very funny. You're very funny today. I heard dolphins are really smart. They are, but never mind, I'm not getting into this. So, but I just, I can't tell with him, with John Beck, if it's, you know, is this a rookie thing? I think part of it's a rookie thing. Is it, you know, being in a crap team, is part of being in a crap team. Is it having no running game? It's part of being having no running game. Is it having an offensive line that's not doing too well? Yeah, it's part of that. And part of it is he has no weapons. He has no weapons. I mean, they traded away in the last two trades. They traded away two of his biggest weapons, one in the middle of the season, and he's got nobody. He's got, you know, and Roger Brown, and Ted Jyn Jr. Justin: I mean, the rookie receivers don't do much. It's just a fact. Well, I'm not sure. Jake: Marcus Colvin. Justin: but yeah, but these are these are guys who are like They come out of nowhere. Look, he was a seventh-round pick. I mean, guys like, they just kind of come out of nowhere and they're good as rookies. It's not like those first overall picks. We saw that with Kishan Johnson. He was the first overall pick. He didn't do anything his rookie year. I mean, he was okay, average, but he was a pretty good pro. So, I don't know. Let's give Ginn two more years. Jake: Yeah, and I just was surprised that the dolphins weren't opening up a little bit more. Like, if you have supposedly one of the fastest wide receivers on the field, and you have a guy who can air it out with a big arm, why not just throw it a couple times? Just literally bomb it. I mean, he did one, and it was totally picked off, but why not just bomb it a couple times? You know. That's why. Yeah, well I guess that's it. Now on the other side of the ball, on the Jets side of the ball, I mean it was really a, the first half was a little tough. I mean the Jets were, you know, he,

09:02 Jake: Calvin Klein said throwing an interception was a run back for a touchdown. I mean, you know, that kind of, that was their only touchdown, the Dolphins only touchdown. They didn't score an offensive touchdown. Justin: Right after that they went right back down the field. Yeah, I like that. They were very good in the red zone Jake: you know and and again You know, it was a running game thing that kind of helped him and it wasn't just Thomas Jones who had his first touchdown of The game which is great But it was also Leon Washington who was making plays and they were doing some trick plays and it seemed to be the team again It seemed to be the team that we saw from last year at the end of the year, which is now becoming An issue with me because why is our team showing up at the end of the year when they should be showing up? I mean it'd be great if we were you know, whatever in a position to get a Justin: What you know what maybe we needed a change of leadership on both sides of the ball Yeah, maybe but we can't do that every year No, no, but maybe maybe our leadership on both sides of the ball this year happened to not be very strong for some one reason or another both of our Offense our offensive captain and our defense captain both got injured Well, not really injured but one got injured and one got replaced at about the same time And the team seems to be I don't want to you know go overboard but you know we beat a pretty good team in Pittsburgh and we dominated a team that we should have dominated right and we lost a game that we probably were gonna lose anyway we predicted we were gonna lose that game yeah I'm actually kind of excited about this team right now Jake: they've shown me some life Justin: 3 and 8 If we finish this season like you know seven and nine that would be pretty cool. Yeah, are we three eight? We three and nine. What are we? We're three and nine So if we could finish this season six and ten that would be pretty good six and ten is probably I mean Let's do it six and ten. That would be pretty good. I mean that's soft, but still But as a jet fan, yeah Be too bad. I mean Jake: Yeah, so let's go on it is a great game again left left, you know state will to the last two minutes because then we had to leave because it just became brutal. You know, a 40-13 win. Kellen Kommens looked good. Again, not throwing amazing stuff. His numbers don't show that he's that he's kind of dominating, but he shows that he's getting it done. I still want to. But they you know what? Justin: They ran the ball really effectively. They ran. very effectively. I mean, Jones had some really good grind amount yards, 75 yards, and Leon Washington happened to pick up 68 yards on the run. So that's a lot of yards and two TD's. I mean, the running game, the rushing game had three daily movement. And Lavergne's Coles was back. Jake: And don't underestimate that. That's huge. That is huge. But we're missing, Justin: still missing country, but, but Ernie's Coles is back. And that's a big deal. That's a, that's a legitimate number one receiver and you saw that

12:01 Justin: that Clemens had a confidence to throw the ball on like quick slants and and throw it in there tight Jake: and Cole's will catch it. It was nice. It's a good thing I'm watching it and I'm really enjoying Calvin Clemens growing and I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do in the next couple games he's gonna be tested because we got some games coming up that are gonna be... Justin: One more thing for you about this game. Someone someone kicked four field goals Well, you're just one went four for four and extra points here. You're jumping the gun my friend Jake: You've just jumped the gun not the sharp I jumped gun because we'll go run to our fools and nights and I did I just predict that you're picking somebody Justin: I didn't even know that. Jake: My night is also someone who I've made a fool many times. My night is Mike Nugent because it could have been Thomas Jones. Well, I don't know who he's here, so I'll let you go. But Mike Nugent, four for four, four for four. The guy's on fire. I think he's made 17 of his last 18. You know what? I say that's the guy we wanted and he's my night of the game. Way to go, Mike Nugent. Who's your night of the game? time. Justin: I'm so glad you did that, cause you were so ready to like, cut him and he's a really good kicker. I mean, he just needed to find his rhythm and, you know, he's there. He's in his rhythm. I don't think he's missed in a while. So who's your knight? I come wood. Well, I would not have picked Nugent, even though you did. Umm... There's a couple guys I want to pick. Can I pick two guys? Jake: Sure. Really? On a 40 to 13 win against the Dolphins, sweeping the Dolphins for the year, you get to pick two nights. Next. First I want to give one to Justin: Kerry Rhodes. Yes. He's been excellent. He's always, I hope he goes to the Pro Bowl this year. I don't want to sound like a former Jake: Third game in a row, he's had an interception. Three games in a row. Justin: He's really good. I think he'd be good on any team regardless. He's a good player Yeah, it seems to be around the ball a lot and when he plays up on the line of scrimmage They stopped the run. Yeah, so I like I like him up on the line. I want him up there a little bit more often He had a pick and two deflections so Kerry Rhodes is one night, okay And the other night is a guy who I've knighted a bunch of times, I think already, and was my first half knight of the season is Leon Washington. This guy's electric when he touches the ball. He kills the dolphins. I love that. Two touchdowns on the run. You know, he's a really good change of pace back with Thomas Jones, and that's exactly what we need. Thomas Jones is that guy who you can give the ball 20 times a game, 25 times a game in a game that you're, you know, winning like this and you can maintain a lead. And then you bring in Washington to carry the ball like 10-12 times and he just picks up, you know, 6.8 to carry and scores twice.

15:01 Justin: He just finds the end zone. I love the guy. He's electric with the ball. He's a good find. for the Jets. He kind of reminds me if you want to use some comparisons, if you want to compare Mangini to a young Parcels, you can compare this guy to their third downback. Oh man. If you're gonna compare it to Dave Meggett, that guy. Remember Dave Meggett? Just get it to Dave Meggett and he'll get a first down. So that's what he reminds me of and I really enjoy watching it. Jake: Good pick, good pick. I totally agree with your two nights or the three total nights. Who's your fool of the game? Justin: Hard to pick a fool. Jake: Now don't do this. Don't do the, oh it's so hard to pick a fool and a loss. There's someone you can pick. Pick him. DeBrickishaw Ferguson. Yeah, that's a good one. Justin: I hate to do this. I mean... Jake: Why? The guy's letting guys go. Justin: You know what? He's disappointed me. Taylor, two sacks in the first quarter. I know Taylor's great. Jason Taylor, but still D. Burke Ashaw was a number four overall pick. I think at this point, those guys are supposed to develop kind of quickly. Those offensive linemen more quickly than skill player. So. I'm a little disappointed in him, I would... I think I texted you, d-brick equal d-bust. Yeah. The game, I'm a little disappointed with him, so... Totally agree. Jake: He's my fool. They had five sacks in the game. No, nope, sorry. Six sacks in the game. That's too many. Now, part of that is, and I don't like me talking about Kellen Clemens in the pocket presence, but... part of that's Kellen Clemens and he's not figuring out, you know, I know he's a rookie, but he's not figuring out when he should be running, when he should be scrambling, when he should be throwing, when he should be dumping it off and getting out of there. Part of that is experience, part of that couples with experience. So I'm hoping that will help out. But in the few plays that D-Brick was really, there's a couple that he just let him go right by and that's certainly not a good thing. He's gonna get our quarterback, you know, hopefully our quarterback of the future. don't get him killed but I will go it's good good fool my fool is actually I'm gonna go with my fool for the week is it's gonna be something a little bit strange but I'm gonna throw it out there I'm gonna put Vegas calling Vegas the fool of the week Vegas is the fool of the week I'm sorry but when you pick when you pick this team to you know with a one-point underdog and we end up just beating them by 27 points. I'm sorry but you're the Fool of the Week. Vegas, Fools to you because- Vegas was really off this week with games in the AFC East. Oh yeah, big time, off with the Patriots and all that. Well everybody was off with the Justin: Pats but Jake: still Vegas was way off. Which leads us right into other kingdoms. Good.

18:04 Jake: Were you able to see the Monday Night Game? Justin: Absolutely, I stayed up for the entire game. Jake: So give us a little bit of a thought on what a lot of Baltimore fans are saying is a robbery. Well, did you see it? I did see none of it. Justin: But I did see a lot. I'll give you the long and short of it. I did see a lot of the game the next day. You know, the refs, as I could see how Baltimore would be upset with it. Because they were calls that could have gone kind of you know, they could have gone either way But Baltimore did kill themselves Really badly Calling that timeout on fourth down, I mean They they they could have stopped they had him stopped on fourth down and that was the game basically but the sideline called timeout and And that was a big play. That hurt them really bad. Cow bowler, previous to that, threw a really bad interception when he really should not have been throwing the ball. So they really beat themselves. The referees didn't really do that for them. Jake: What about the touchdown? Was that a touchdown or not? Justin: Absolutely. Jake: Yeah, I agree. I think that's a touchdown and I posted this somewhere. I think that's a touchdown that... Is it touchdown if it's called a touchdown? It's a touchdown if it's not called a touchdown Justin: It's not a touchdown. No even if it wasn't called a touchdown. That's touchdown I can't stand that bullshit the guy caught the ball. Did he have it in both hands? Was it tucked against his shoulder tight enough fuck that the guy caught the ball and his two feet were in bounds? Yeah, he didn't he Jake: It's only time. What was it? He didn't have it in both his hands? No, he didn't even he didn't even have it It wasn't even a settled in his arm, but that's fine It was enough on the field and I agree that the field is you know, it's supposed to be the income the indisputable evidence And I don't think I saw it. So therefore it's a touchdown Patriot win, but this is a team now who's kind of squeaking by against not very good teams. And I'm not saying they're ripe for the pickin, but the Jets in two weeks, and we'll maybe get out back on here and then talk to them. Oh my god, I don't even want to talk to that guy. Sorry, yeah. Yeah, because he actually listens. Justin: I don't even want to talk to Alk. Jake: We're gonna bring him on. Well, you know what? Justin: Do you know what's happened since the last time we talked to Alk? We sucked and they're awesome? We suck. They haven't lost the game. They're considered the best team ever. The fucking Red Sox won the World Series. I do not want to talk to Alk. Alright, well. Jake: Sorry, Al. It'll just me and him then. Alright, you and Al go off and do something. Me and Al. And back in at post. So let's talk about the Jets versus Cleveland. But before we talk about this week's game, let's take a little history and go back to

21:03 Jake: last year, which was a controversial, we'll talk about controversial touchdowns or non-controversial. Justin: Oh my god, I hated that. Jake: It was at the end of the game. You know the Jets were driving, we were down by seven. We needed a touchdown the time of the game. Chad got us down the field, threw a touchdown to Chris Baker. What a catch. Who caught it, was coming down. He was a good, I don't know, three feet within inside the end zone. And two guys just pushed him as hard as they possibly could. He flew out of the end zone and. end. would have easily got landed down. They called it a pushout, which is non-reviewable, game ended, no out, tough luck, jets lose. Of course, we went on to actually make the playoffs, so it wasn't, you know, it wasn't, it didn't end up changing the season that much. Yeah, but it was a huge change. Justin: It had been changed, it did, because... We had to play the Patriots in the first round last year. That's not a recipe for moving forward. Jake: But we don't know what would happen. Justin: No we don't. You can never say what could have happened. But I'm just saying the outcome that did happen... was we ended up playing Patriots in the first round up in Foxborough which is just not a place that you want to go play in the playoffs so I consider that a game that we should have a real real real short memory or natural memory long memory we should remember that game and we should have some Jake: Fight in a swimming get out on that and I and I think that's gonna happen. We have a game coming up this year Where or on Sunday? It's a four-cock game. It's at home I think the Jets, you know reinvigorate the fan base is reinvigorated a bit We've we've won a couple games that that one of which we should have won and one of which man We shouldn't have won and I think we're back in it to show that we're not the worst team in the NFL. And so here we go against the Browns. The Browns are known for running the ball. They're known for high-powered offense. They found this guy, Derek Anderson, out of nowhere. While Brady Quinn sits on the bench looking all buff, this guy is winning games with them. And he's doing really great. But on the other side, and they run the ball well. On the other side, they don't have very good defense. So this is a game that in order to win, we got to keep pace with them. And our defense has got to slow their offense down a little bit. So they're under the 40, 30 yard or 30 point mark. And then we got to keep up. We got to use all of our weapons, use everybody, throw the whole boat at them. I'd want to use the exact same game plan from last week, which was throw the boat at them. throw Thomas Jones, Lee, and Washington. Cole's Brad Smith just throw everything we have and go for it if we could do a little bit better job protecting the

24:00 Jake: Quarterback and do a little bit better job on You know or keep them from scoring put a lot of pressure on Derek I think we could rattle his cage and and I think we could come out with a win What do you think? Justin: I agree. You know what gets lost in all this is the connection between the two coaches, Mangini and Kranel. I'm not mistaken, Mangini had been working under Kranel all that time that they were together throughout the years. He's got to know, they have to know each other inside and out, or at least Mangini knows Krenel inside and out, because he's been working for him all for all those years, vice versa. So it'll be very interesting to see what comes to be, because these teams are kind of totally different than they were last year, although I think some of that animosity... still exists because most of the Jets are still there. But Cleveland is a whole new team. They have Braylon Edwards playing great. They have Winslow playing great. They have Jamal Lewis coming in from Baltimore who's playing pretty well for them. And Anderson also from Baltimore. We have Baltimore, this offensive. You know, they can't even do anything. They had this quarterback just kind of sitting there. They didn't even know it. They gave him away to Cleveland. And look what's happening. So, this is one of those situations. You never know what you got until he's gone. And this guy's looking like he's the real deal. But what I would like to see in this game is... For the seven and five Cleveland Browns and the AFC To get knocked down a peg to seven and six and make their journey to the playoffs Oh so much more difficult this season after they did that to us last season Jake: Yeah, the Pittsburgh Steelers have the lead in their division nine and three and and they're up against the Patriots We can talk about in a second So yeah, it's it's a chance for the just to give a little bit of a you know, a little bit of a fuck you We're going to play this role of the spoilers as we go into the end here and they're a team that we could start with. So let's go right to your thrown picks. I'll throw mine out first. I'm going to go throw mine first. I say this game comes down to the end. It's a last minute drive. We're down by six. Wow. Down six? We're down by six. Wow. Clemens leads him down, no sorry, so we're down by four, I'm just trying to play out the scenario in my head. We're down by, uh, we're down by, uh, three. Three, okay. We're down by four. We come into the last two minutes, Clemens comes down, throws the ball, end zone, baker, catch. We win 30-27. Wow, that's my thing. The math wasn't working for me tonight. What's your prediction?

27:01 Justin: You have too much to drink. I haven't had anything. Wow. Alright. Yeah, if we're gonna win, we're gonna have to score. So your guess of 3027 seems pretty right on. I'm gonna say that... We're gonna score a little bit less than that though. I'm gonna go with a 24 to 20 victory for the Jets. Yeah, I'm gonna actually pick them this week. I think we're gonna win this game. I think we're gonna come out pretty intense. And that seems to be something that the Jets do when they do that. They thrive. They play really well when they come out with intensity. Jake: Yeah. So what do you think about the... What about the Miami Dolphins going up to? So it's the Here's another team making a push for the playoffs the Buffalo Bills are still in the hunt that six and six Dolphins are in the hunt for the worst team in the history of the NFL How do you see this playing out, do you know what I really love? Justin: that they keep wheeling out these ex-dolphins from that 72 team to like come around on like Monday Night Football when when the when the Pats are playing and then he's on SportsCenter doing an old-school rap what's the name Mercury Morris or whatever the hell his name is and there they are at 0 and 12 like they're it's like it's like a it's stupid I love it Jake: oh my god Oh my god, the Dolphins are just so bad. No, I think they're just so bad. Justin: I don't even want to pick the game. So, I... Oh and 13, that's all I'm gonna say. Oh and 13. I will say that the dolphins... Jake: The dolphins are definitely gonna lose this game. Um, but uh, they'll they'll score a touchdown and a field goal. So it'll be Buffalo 31, Miami Dolphins 10 And then the last and then the last game Justin: Oh my god, they're so bad. They can't do anything right. I mean, yeah, you're coach I feel so bad for him, but he's so fired cam cam He's gone! He's gone! One year, that's it, and he's never gonna work again. How do you ever justify hiring a guy who only coached one year and his only season he went 0 and 16? Jake: I don't think he'll be gone after the end of the year, but he will have to do something really good next year in order to like... What?! Yeah, he's not gone. Even if they don't win a game? Yeah, maybe if they don't win a game. Come on, how do you not fire a guy if you don't win a game? I don't know. I don't know. But, you know, their front office makes really bad mistakes over and over again, so maybe they'll keep making sure. Obviously, that's why they haven't won a game. Alright, let's get a pick out of you before we wrap it up here. So let's get a pick out of the Pittsburgh New England game.

30:02 Jake: Alright, alright. So here we have the chance. This is the game that everybody circled on Wes. Patriots started to really win and put up, you know, go undefeated. They started to circle this game as a game that someone could stop them. Now, since they started circling it, the Jets went in and, or the Jets beat them at home. And then the Dolphins, you know, kept them to three points. So they're not looking like the powerhouse that maybe they were, but they're still, you know, they're still the Pittsburgh Steelers. and they still have some weapons, you know, in Roethlisberger and Willie Parker. And they're going against the Patriots, which in the last two weeks have not looked like that, you know, dominating team. They're coming back, they're trying, they're winning at the end of the game, they're not like dominating from the beginning to the end. And they're getting some pressure on Brady, and if they're getting some pressure on Brady, it is the State of the League. So how do you see this game going? Justin: I actually, I think the Steelers have a chance. They're going to take a good look at what Baltimore did in the run game to New England, because Baltimore took it to New England in the run game. And if there's a team that can do that in the NFL, it's Pittsburgh. They run them all really well. So I'd look to see a lot out of Willie Parker in this game. and They just shut down a pretty prolific passing game of Cincinnati last week Palmer didn't throw a touchdown and that doesn't happen very often So it seems like it could be a good matchup. I Still think the Pats are gonna come out on top. They'll probably win by you know, 10 or 13 Maybe say it'll be like 33 Jake: 23. 33, 23. That's pretty good. I'm going to go with the, that there's nothing that the Patriots like more than a bit of controversy. Because what they do is they take that controversy back to their little, you know, place up there in Foxborough and Bill Belichick brings it out and he says, they're all against us. They think that the entire NFL wants us to win. They think that the refs are in our pockets. They... no one respects us. Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah, what they do is they're gonna kill them. They're gonna kill them. Patriots win 40-17. Oh, I forgot that fact. Yeah. Alrighty, so I think that's gonna wrap up our show. We actually have a, So we've got a bit of a time in here, so that's good. As always, if you're looking to send us some feedback, you can drop by JetKingdom.com and head over to the forums and post stuff there. We're more than happy to see and talk to you there. You can also send us email at podcast at JetKingdom.com. And as always, if you want to call into the show, which is always in the show notes, which Justin reminded me of last week but is always there, 206-984-3473. uh... we can get your voicemail and we can uh... talk to you after you send in

33:02 Jake: your voicemail uh... so that's that's it for us again any last thoughts last uh... moments of of clarity yeah well i really i really want to win this game well okay what's let's try to win this game and as always if we're gonna win this game we need one thing behind us we need to really Go Jets! you