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Onan, what is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and they have a lamentation of their women.

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00:09 Jake: The best place to be is when expectations are high. Get used to it. It's always going to be that way. Can't wait! Welcome to the Jekkino Podcast! Longest Running New York just podcast ever. My name is Jake, and joining me on this pre-Thanksgiving day of joy and happy happiness. It's our post. Didn't do one on Monday, but can do one on Wednesday. We can do two podcasts today. Starting podcast will be our we're awesome and then we can do a second part of our podcast like oh shit We gotta go get the Patriots on Thursday night doesn't that suck? But let's get into it Justin how you doing I was waiting for the intro I almost forgot Fuck him yeah, pretty much Okay, me like some paths. Yeah, you know fucking pats hurt me in them Fantasy league yes pats do hurt you. That's all right. I take real football over fantasy football any day Yes, any day you fuckers on this board here. Who's who's this Rick Beale? Getting on me cuz I beat him or somebody because I Brady and grok Fuck you. Pick better. I did, and that's why I'm ahead of you. All right, let's talk. You're not ahead of me. Yeah, I am ahead of you. I'm one more games than you have. Yeah, that's cool. That's kind of how you drive things. Oh, and the other one, I'm ahead of you too. So let's not, yeah, it's not even close. Let's see, who has the most points scored in the entire league? Oh, that would be me. Doesn't mean anything. Oh my God, I have over 100 more points scored than you. Oh my god, my team is so much better than yours. It's not even funny. Can't wait to beat you in the playoffs We're gonna play next week. Can't wait to beat you next. Okay, so we got an agenda today. We have Again, this is Wednesday before the Thursday. We will not be pop doing a podcast normally do on Thursdays But because tomorrow is Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving to everybody. We will be doing one today This is the post victory pregame post pregame victory blues. Let's talk about the game. Alright, let's talk about, we're gonna talk about Jets vs Rams. We have news and stuff that happened. Talk about our playoff chances maybe again. We'll talk about the Jet Kingdom Fantasy League, the Jet Kingdom Pick-Ums. We'll make, we have our AFC throne picks and then we'll talk about our Keys of the Castle in the Jets vs Patriots game, which will be at the end of the podcast and we'll make that pick as well. So let's get into it. Hey, you know what happened last Sunday? The jet won. Oh my god. I did not watch it. Oh I watched it. I watched it. I Did not know what it was. I was actually great. I was blacked out. I did not know what happened. I got home in about

03:03 Jake: 545 turn on the TV, go right to the jet game, and just watched it. My phone was on airplane mode, my iPad was on airplane mode, my laptop was over in the other room off. I had no communication with anybody. The only thing, so I went to the theater, I said last week I was going to the theater. Yeah, come back in the cab, you can see it. I didn't come back in the cab. But even like on the subway. I know, it was a gamble. I came back on the subway and nobody... Actually it's kind of funny. Come back on the subway. So I saw Al Pacino and Glenn Garret and Glenn Ross. Totally worth it. Seeing Al Pacino live, fucking awesome. Not worth it. So Sharon, the little lady, and I, we... I said her name. I never said her name. She's been outed. Wow. We get in the subways. We're coming home. on! Thanks for watching! And I'm like, oh, we want to be towards the back of the train so that we can, you know, walk afterwards to where we need to be and One car goes we were like in the middle of two cars We can get in one car the other car one car Has a guy standing there with a Jets hat on and you and the other car doesn't so I go to the other car Of course, like I'm not going in that car. I I almost can't and I've done it once I think once and here's the thing I could be walking home, everybody knows I'm such a big Jets fan. If I'm walking home and someone sees me, they could be like, oh man, that was a great win. I know my biggest worry was actually going into the building. Seeing me or something in the lobby. Well, no, you knew I wasn't. I'd probably smile. Yeah, well. It would have been, you know what, when they win, I'm fine. That's true. I'm actually okay. It's when they lose, I don't want to know. Watching a game that they won and just watching is fine. Fine. It's just like when you lose and you're like, should I even watch this? Yeah. This is going to be brutal. How do I watch them lose? So anyway. I mean, as a fantasy player, it's also tough because now I've completely blacked out the whole day. Right. So I don't know anything. So I'm, I'm... I didn't finish watching the Jet Game until after the late games were even over. Right. So I missed the whole day. So by the time you even get in... By the time I got... Then I... Then I... Alright, let me open up everything and see what's going on and I'm like, oh shit, I want in fantasy too. This is awesome. I had a great day. It was a good day. Alright, let's talk about the game. Not you and your stupid not watching the game. Well, let's talk about the game. Let's just look at our favorite stat. Alright, let's do your favorite stat. Well we won 55 43. Magic number's 51 right? There we go. We had 55 rushes plus completion. So this was basically the saving grace for Mark Sanchez. Cause if he had crapped it up in this game, it would have been over. Well all my- my buddy owes me dinner because- We were going back and forth and he bet me that Tebow would start the New England game and I said There's no fucking way Tim Tebow starting the New England game if he starts a game

06:01 Jake: He's like no way if you guys lose to the Rams. He's starting the New England game I'm like no if we lose to the Rams he won't start the New England game He'll start the one after the England game because they'll have 10 days to prepare for it. That's right I was like you're gonna owe me dinner So this was, you know, this was just sort of a typical, this was a typical Jetskin. Oh yeah, look, the Jets showed up. We won the turnover battle. We ran the ball effectively. And Sanchez was good. He was like, it was this, all he had to do. He was really good. Well, but he was 15 for 20. That's very good. Right, but that's sort of like what we expected of him. So it's like, you're gonna put him in a position like we did last year to throw it 30 times, 35 times. times. You're gonna get one thing. You're gonna put in the position where you're gonna play good D, get the ball, almost score on defense, and then put him and have a good running game. Guess what? That's 15 for 20. That's all we need. You know who was put in that shitty situation? Sam Bradford. Yeah, the guy who was offensive coordinator was the guy who put our guy in that shitty situation last year. Yeah, a little bit of a shoddy. There's a couple downs like the third and ones. Yeah, where he doesn't let the best running backs just like take it. for one. He was being a little shotty. Yeah. He was shot in Imer. And I think, you know, the T-Bo thing was such a non-factor. It was great. It was great. Hey, Sperano. Lesson learned, hopefully. I wrote it in our little, in our little thing here. No T-Bo equal better Sancho. That's it. That's the key. The key to winning is to not play the guy you picked up and made a big fucking fuss about all... Guess what? He's not good. No. Well, he's not good in this situation. I think he would be better if you just let him play. Yeah, but... Everybody is saying it. This is what's crazy. But he's not better than Sanchez. No, I know. But watching these games, it's like even the guys on the field, or the announcers, every time I've watched them, because I've had two away games now... So I'm sitting there listening and they're like, wow, it must really be tough for Sanchez to get taken out of the rhythm. Wow, that just must be... Why is everybody saying this and not someone going, hey, maybe it just makes sense to not do this anymore? And again, everybody says... Everybody didn't do it. But everybody says, hey, listen, you're gonna give it to Tebow, give it to Tebow. Give him the game or give him a drive. Because he's not gonna do well in one play. You can't even just give him a drive. Because I watched... I could give him a drive. I watched him... So much last year in Denver because they kept throwing them on all the time like prime time and like flexing them on and making Them the four o'clock game or the whatever and the jet game He went three and out so much that you can't just give him a drive you have to almost say I'm gonna give you a half Yeah, because he might go three and out the first two or three times and he'll bust one and then right he'll do T-bo things He'll do the T-bo magic. That's no different than Sanchez going three and out. I mean it's not it's no different No, but you expect Sanchez to continue to drive and to have drives that stay alive Yeah, T-bo you kind of expect him to not have drives and then kind of have the miracle drive Every day I'd rather not have that so in some stats

09:02 Jake: I mean this was a very if you look at the stats straight up They look very the big one that stands out I mean we had 17 first down 17 to 51 15 first downs totally yards 289 to 281 Turnovers, there's yeah zero to three It was another defensive. They played great. Yeah defense played absolutely fantastic It was like one drive, the first drive. No runner got over a hundred, so Stephen Jackson who's had kind of a resurgence. And that's on Shoddy because he could have. He could have. He could have. He could feed him the ball. They should have. I don't know what they were doing. That's on him. He should have had 20 carries in this game. I don't really understand why he didn't. Yeah. I don't know. It wasn't out of hand. The game really wasn't out of hand, you know? Jets are up at halftime, 13-7. Right. All right. And I really don't understand, even the whole third quarter, no one scored. Like, why is Jackson not running the ball? Yeah, and to start the game, they just went down the field and scored. And I thought, uh-oh, here it comes. Here comes this game. We're not going to be able to stop them. I think really the big surprise of the game was is. Sort of the small rise of Blau Powell with his two TVs from... Those were just good... I'll give it to Sperano. Those were just good play calls. Yeah, they were good play calls. It was two things. It was one, they were good play calls and two, they were... Let's not let Marc Sanchez make a mistake here. Yeah, that's called a good play call. Hey, it's... We're in the red zone. This guy has four red zone interceptions this year. How about we not let him throw it? We're already up. Oh shit, he breaks it, 27-7 game over. Like that's- that to me was, you know, the right way to call the game. Puzzling. That last St. Louis touchdown, were you- You Yeah, I don't know. Why would you not try and get it like automatic 13, which is where you really need it to be? Right because 14 does you know? I mean, okay, let's we're playing to maybe miracle tie this game. Yeah Like why go for two there? That's a really bad. I mean, I know it doesn't matter because they still lost by 14, but why not get it to 13? That's a bad coaching thing and Jeff Fisher's a good coach. I don't- unless they were like fuck it we're losing, we're practicing our two-point plays. But you wouldn't even do that because you wouldn't even want to give up your two-point plays.

12:01 Jake: You know, you only have so many two-point plays. I don't know. That was bad coaching. That was weird. Alright, other notes from this game? Want to pick a knight and play the game? I do. I have a knight for this game. And I think- I think it's pretty clear cut who the knight should be. I want to look at the stats just to see if. That's two in a row, two weeks in a row, with a forced fumbles. The sacks, he's all-over the quarterback. You know, he assisted on a tackle, three others. There was one play where he just killed his guy, maul-ed him back into the backfield, and forced, like, a five-yard loss, where he gets no credit for it in the stat book, but it was all him. I thought he is, I mean, he's really coming around. The numbers might not be there. prospective. but he's just solid on the defensive line. So Mo Wilkerson gets my player or night of the game. Yeah, I mean, I'm actually going to give it someone we've been just because I like to kind of be a little fair. The guy we've been slamming for so long. I thought this was a good game plan. The only thing that would have made it perfect if there was you know, that's Tebow But it was like the type of game that we thought and a good offensive game. I thought they used the players well I thought some of the play calls were good I thought I thought even in trusting a Nick folk to like listen go ahead kick the 51 or a kick You know, that's that's some trust 51's not to go Yeah, but still it's like go ahead kick it. We're good. We're playing good D. Go ahead kick it. It'll get blocked. I'll give it to Sperano. You know what? I don't like that. He's not getting any credit for me this whole year. You said we have a one. We win. We won. You know what? I'm only hoping that you can say, look, this game plan for this team was good. Come up with one that will keep... You know, the game plan against the Pats last time wasn't good too. It wasn't bad. It was fine. So look at this though, Tebow with that. Can I just say our special teams have regressed really, really far. Oh yeah. We had a block punt, a block field goal again. Yep. A botched fake punt. Which apparently Tebow gets to call whenever he wants. Well, this is the thing about that play and let's talk about that play for a second. Now, as I was, watching I might have been doing other stuff. I was watching the game and but they made the call right after they said the problem was the defense was still on the field. Yeah, so like when you got what happens right when you fake three times in three weeks, The defense is gonna be on the field. So he should've called it off, right? Well, that's him. That's T-Bo. And I feel like that's him feeling like he needs... No, feeling like I need to make a play.

15:00 Jake: To like, validate myself? Yeah, cause you know what? He threw the ball once for negative 1 yards, and he ran the ball twice for negative 5. So all in all, T-Bo was worth negative 6 yards the other day. Right. Fantastic, and I don't think anybody's scared of it. That's here's about it. He's allowed to make those calls It's not like he it's not like West off says fake punt. He's calling it. He's making a call like you don't know I don't I don't think anything I heard or read it coming out of it said that he has so way to go again Blocked field goal. Yep botched fake punt lucky touchdown callback on a long return. Yep. With a phantom. Again, a phantom hold. It was a real hold, but I don't know if it would have mattered. But again, come on, man. That's supposed to be like one of the strengths of the deficiency of this team is the offense. The defense and the special teams are supposed to pick up. Right. That offense. They did a good job in getting a punter, but he's had two punts blocked. We've now botched a fake punt. We've gotten two field goals blocked. Those are folks only two misses on the season, by the way. So I don't want to understand this bullshit with the with the special team. And it's like step up. Well, it's weird because Westoff is like he's like considered one of the best. He's a player. Yeah. Like, come on. Well, OK, but is it one player? Is it two players? I don't know. Is it because we've had injuries and people are injuries? All right. And these guys aren't ready to do this job. Maybe, I mean you got Chaz Shillins covering on kicks. I don't know if he's... We've gone from having really, really good special teams players to I don't know if we really have a good special teams like Guy. Right. Like if you were to say, who's our special teams Guy that is like the Gunner who gets down there quick and makes the tackles? You know, you used to be Brad Smith. Yeah, it was Brad Smith. Or Wallace. There were all these guys who would get down there. I don't know who those guys are now. I have no clue. Other thing is just a note, not a lot of penalties. Three penalties for 20 yards. That's good stuff. That's good. So anyway. It was a win as a win as a win. A win is good, we shouldn't be complaining. No, we're not complaining, because we gotta... They don't come, uh... You know, they don't really come that often. Not this year anyway. But we are second in the division. With a... With a game coming up now against the head of the division, so... Things are right there. Things are looking up. All right. They are. So let's talk about some news around the, we'll skip that first one because we'll talk about it down there. Talk about some teams we guys start rooting against. Yeah, so you wrote in our show notes, why does Miami all of a sudden suck dick? I don't know. They come up against us and they beat the snot out of us. And like you said, They beat the snot out of us the first time, we just happened to win the game. Luckily. So they've beaten us up twice, and since beating the crap out of us,

18:00 Jake: They haven't won a game. They're not good. And they've looked terrible. Yeah. They played Tennessee who was awful and they got smoked. Yep. No Miami. They lose to the Bills. I guess who they get this weekend? Who do they have this weekend? At least they're home. The Seahawks kind of suck on the road. I think that they'll be fine with their defense. I think they're going to be just fine. They're coming off a nice buy, so they could have come down to Miami. The Seahawks are 5-0 at home, and 6-4. So it's not like they're like lighting it up on the road. This is a chance for Miami to get it, but whatever. I don't think Miami has the tools to beat Seattle. Other weird notes from the week or just things that you want to talk about that thing you have highlighted later Yes, later anything that has to do with another game. Let's talk about later later, but I was thinking about other Crazy things that happens in the league. I mean What about you three went crazy? No, not a player thing Money night football turned into like a total smackdown Here oh, thank you. I meant to talk about this. So thank you. You're welcome Cuz we often talk about you know, we often talk about oh, this is your man, right? You're a little bit of a rant. We often talk about Sancho and if he's any good or what have you and You know, I I am a strong believer in the fact that he has good physical ability and you know, needs the right coaching in the right environment to be successful. And then we often compare him to Alex Smith, you and I, or we have. Yeah, I do at least. Alex Smith was the number one overall pick. Yep, about seven or eight years ago. Yep. Widely considered a bust. Total, total bust. But then, Harbaugh takes over last year, and Smith has a career year. A great year. They go to the NFC Championship game, they're a muffed punt away from, or two muffed punts away from beating the Giants and going to the Super Bowl. I mean, a muffed punt has nothing to do with the quarterback. He's just well coached. This year, again, he's playing out of his mind, Alex Smith. The best completion percentage in the league, one of the top QB ratings in the league. The team has a great record, they're on their way again. He's controlling the game at the Lions scrimmage. Very well coached. from the head coach and the offensive philosophy is just spot on for him. Turns out, they're just good coaches. Cause you take him out and you put Colin Kaepernick in, who's their wildcat guy. Yep. Who they saw. Who they wildcatted us. We saw him do some damage to us. And guess what? He played quarterback. And he played good quarterback. Yep, he completed a shit ton of passes for a good amount of yards, touchdowns, no interceptions, barely ran the ball,

21:03 Jake: just played quarterback. And that to me is just a total, the proof is there, that the coaching really, really, really, really matters. And if you're in the right culture, you're in the right environment, you have the right coaches, the right system. It almost like if you're a professional quarterback, like you can you can thrive if you have the right coaching. And I don't think at the moment we have the right coaching on the offensive side of the ball. And it might even be a Rex thing. that like Harbaugh was a quarterback. I remember watching him beat us as a cult. Like I remember not liking him either because he was an asshole. But I mean you remember the Jets and the Colts were in the same division and you play and Harbaugh would he was their quarterback for a little while towards the end of the career there. And he clearly knows how to coach quarterbacks. And he coached Andrew Luck in college. He's coaching Alex Smith up. He coached Copernick in college. I think he was with Stanford. We need... I'm ready to just fire Sperano now. After the win, after he did so well. It's like, you have to like praise him because we won. He's not good. And he's not going to be around next year. So we need to find a guy who can coach up our quarterback and make him into a player. I'm just saying, go get Gruden. Not going to happen. Gruden. He's a good quarterback coach. Yeah, but he's a head coach. It's like, yeah, can we get Andy Reid to be our offensive coordinator? It's true. And if you look back, it's like we had, and who knows if Schottenheimer was... That guy, Curly, maybe he wasn't, but even though he did okay with Sanchez the first two years, it's clear that, you know, looking back now, we're four years in, we can see what the team has been, where they've put their draft, where they've put their whatever, it's been, other than picking Sanchez, it's been all D. It's like D, D, D, D, D. The biggest pickups this year? D. It's like, you know, oh, we'll throw you a with Danny and Tomlinson here. We'll throw you a Plaxical Burris here. Danny and Tomlinson at the end of his career, Plaxical Burris after not playing for two years. Right. It's like, you know, let's draft this guy in the second round who can't catch. Can't catch. Do you owe me something for that? I don't know. There's no way he's getting any touchdowns. Well, he's got, he's got games left. He could do one game. He's got more drops than touchdown. But he could do one game and get there. He's got three already. He's got more drops than touchdowns. But I'm saying it's not impossible. We've got how many games left. Because all sorts of receivers catch a touchdown a game. That's all I need is like a two and then a three. Oh, sure. It's like if he could catch them. It's like me catching up to you in. He's dropped quite a few already. All right. So I guess we can talk a little bit about, you know, so what's our let's let's start talking about our playoff.

24:01 Jake: I just see my notes. It's Talk To You Friday Morning. Talk To You Friday Morning. What did I say two weeks ago? We had to win two of three. Yeah, well we won one of one. We can't win this one. That's it. I really thought we needed to win the Seattle one. And here's the thing. It's ripe for the picking. Not only is the schedule passed, but it's just not just our schedule passed. It's also what's happening the rest of the AFC. Well that's the... It's like you've got four good teams, and then everybody else sucks balls. This is it. The Pats are gonna win the AFC East, the Ravens are gonna win the AFC North, the Texans are gonna win the AFC South, and the Broncos are gonna win the AFC West. And that's that. And you look behind them. And now there's, hey, I'm getting there. Alright, alright, alright. Give me a break. No. Yes. You got the Steelers at 6 and 4, but they're on their third string corner rack. And they're gonna lose this week. And probably the next week. Probably gonna lose the week after. You got the Colts at six and four. I don't trust them yet. Nope, and we beat them and we did beat them So we have a tiebreaker over them and their schedule you look at the Colts, you know, they got they got to go to Detroit They got to go to Houston and they have to play Houston twice Basically and Houston's not gonna they're not gonna lay up on on the Colts. They don't want the Colts in the playoffs And then you've got the charges at four and six, and you've got the Bengals at five and five. Like our whole division's four and six, the Bills and the Dolphins. Not really worried about them. I think they're both gonna fall apart and we'll beat the Bills in the last week if we have to. Cincinnati though, this is the one you gotta worry about. They've got... I mean their schedules they got to play the NFC the NFC East they got to play Dallas and Philly. Philly's falling apart. Philly's falling apart. They got to go to San Diego I don't think that's a very tough game. Oakland's not a very tough game either. They finished with in Pittsburgh and Baltimore which is tough that in Pittsburgh game. Sincey Pittsburgh we're gonna I mean that's good because one of them's gonna have to lose for us. Right. Hopefully they're not Hopefully they don't have the same record going in right I'm hoping one has a better record than the other and then we can Cheer for the one with the worst record Excellent But it's there we got to win this game though. Yeah, it's there though It's it's there and we have we have teams on our schedule coming up, right? We play the Titans who are four and six. We played the Bills who are four and six So we have some of these games against, uh, against these teams. We play the Chargers who are four and six. Those are three games that are, we're all the same, right? We're on the same boat right now. At home. Yeah, we play Charged at home. We play Tennessee away. We play Jacksonville away. And Jacksonville away. Then two teams is not bad to play them in. We also have the Cardinals remaining who started off four and oh, and are now four and six. So we're going in the complete opposite direction and are on their third quarterback at this point. And I can't remember the last game that we have. Alright, well cool. So let's talk on Friday morning.

27:02 Jake: Yeah, we might podcast. Don't know. Probably not. Probably not, because we won't be in the same zip code. Oh, there you go. Sweet one. So let's get to, let's talk a little about the Jek Kingdom fantasy league. How are you doing, buddy? I won last week. Very good. I had a really good week. I scored 109 points high for the week. Not that that means anything in this league. But I did win. I did lose one of my better players. I lost Gronkowski. which we'll talk about in a little bit. I played a guy who, you know, he had Calvin Johnson and Andre Johnson. He had the Johnson twins and I mean, Andre Johnson had 273 yards in a touchdown. And I still beat him by almost 30 points. 40 points almost. I mean my team's really good, but what are you gonna do? Yeah Your team's good, but I'm still point a game and a half. Heavy you right now We will both be in the playoffs. Yes, this week I'm taking on next week you and I go head to head so that can be important. I can't wait I'm getting some payback This week I take on the four and seven Action Park Slides, Maddie Johnson. I'm playing Rick Beale. The six and five main the Hooligans. And I am, right now the preview score has me, ooh, down by 92 to 109. I am... Oh no, I'm up by, sorry, I'm up by 17. So the projection has me winning by 17. It has me losing, but these projections are always way off. I will say ESPN, the thing, we play on both ESPN and CBS our other league. CBS these projections are way off always well, they're all that we even CBS is way off They're like, oh you have 153. I mean get the hundred fifty three tough Anyway, well, I like about these that don't happen on CVS these update So as players get so if you so like right now it has an rod just putting up 21 So if he puts up, let's say 10, let's hope not Let's say puts up 30 when they do the projections like when you go back to another projections that week It will then update inside. We now have you projected at whatever the new projection is. It doesn't keep it static. So how do you mean if they play Thursday? Even if you look at it Monday before the Monday Night Game, it gives you the projection of based on the players who play it. But in the CBS League it doesn't. No, it actually has a projection thing. It just leaves it where it was. It could definitely do at 135 points, but you scored 62. I'm stuck here. I'll spill a little on the fantasy league here. I'm stuck. As everyone who's been listening knows we have to play a jet. Yes. We're gonna talk about jet is Jeremy Curley Okay, he's a game time decision Okay, that's true. You have to play a jet. He's a game time decision Well, this is oh, yeah Thursday. Well, you know, I won't be at home, but I have the app I can flip it So I would have to...

30:01 Jake: You have to go pick up another jet? Well I did. Today I picked up Haydn Smith. Haydn Smith? Is he active? Don't know, doesn't matter. I think he has an active jet. You don't have to, you can't have a jet that isn't active. I'm gonna play, I'm gonna play... I can play him in the league. No, no, no. Mm. Alright next year has to be active the guy's on the active roster. Can't play someone on the practice squad He's not on the practice. Jason Smith throw him in there then who is that that guy doesn't even exist like you mean exactly like Jumbo 63 exactly right. Yeah, I think it's way an active check. All right, whatever it's been active. What are you talking about? He's been active. Yeah, how many games the last the last bunch? The last four he's been active for four of the all these games. Okay active now. Okay good. All right So you could so I would flip him in At the tight end, but yeah, you know him then I see what I have to wrestle with is is Cecil shorts by himself better than Jeremy Curly plus Brandon Pettigrew because Gronkowski got hurt. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know either. It might be a zero-sum game. I mean I had Cecil Shorts in another league and so and he's done pretty well. I've had a lot of injuries with the wide receivers so I just went and grabbed Cecil Shorts. He projected at 14 this week. Yeah, so I could look at their projections and say I did 9. Where's that projection? 9. 9. And Curly's projected at 13. So I should just stick with that because Curly had a good game against the Pats the last time they played. I think he's gonna play. I think he'll play too. So I'm just gonna stick with my line. Alright. Let's get to some pickums. Yeah, let's get some pickums. How are we doing in the league here? Oh, you're way ahead now. Oh, this isn't just this. What's old is new again. Isn't it fun? How we do last week? I don't know. How did we? The winner of the week was Mattie Jets with 10. Wow. No more bye weeks. Bullshit. 10 is a good number for like 10 is no longer a good number moving forward well 10 moving forward 10 is not a great number you got 7 I got 9 I need you 7 I need you to get by 1 Taking over first place just where I was last year and you're seven behind me. All right, you have to make them up Maybe make them up here. We got four games with no lines. So that's how I'm gonna make them up Oh, they set them don't don't forget to come back because they set them finally before the game start I'm not gonna come back. So it's just gonna happen. There you go All right So every week Jack Kingdom pick them, pick the games against the spreads. That's correct. Don't pick the AFC East. We wait until afterwards because we picked the scores of those.

33:01 Jake: And we get all that thrown picks. A little more in depth, although not much. All right, let's start it off Thursday, Turkey Day, tomorrow, 1230. That's the greatest thing ever, 1230. Why don't they just start games at like 11. 7. Why don't we just have football, like, it started at 11. Yeah, so I'm actually cooking, we haven't talked about our Thanksgiving plans, I'm cooking dinner, my brother, who I think I've talked about, and he's a big Pats fan. He's coming down. He saved our ass two years ago at Foxborough. Yes, almost got killed. He's coming down with his family and his wife, who's also a Pats fan, so the first time, she's actually gonna come with games, so the two of them are gonna come with me. I keep getting offers to buy tickets for this game. time. I feel like this game's not gonna be sold out at all. It's a tough one. It's a tough one. I mean, there is a night game, Thanksgiving, it's like... I mean... Can't you give us a little something here? Make this a Sunday night game against the Pats? I mean, we need this crowd. Yeah, whatever. And you're bringing two Pats fans. I'm bringing two Pats fans. You're outnumbered. Yeah, although the last- Your brother's not very loud though. The last jet game he went to, playoff game. Yeah, that was a good one. But I will say in bad form, he is in the record of him coming to games with me when we go into a lot of games, I think he's lost like two out of the like eight games. Well, that's because the Pats are generally better than the Jets. Jets, Jets, better. All right. So here's my dilemma, my dilemma. is the whole when to go. I'm cooking Thanksgiving dinner for seven, eight people. I'm trying, so here's the thing. If you were gonna, now we'll sit down for dinner. We'll probably have the game on the background, but we're not actually gonna sit in front of it. No, you can't. I know your house. You couldn't configure it that way. Although you probably could figure it out. But the point is, like the kids are gonna be one place where, so we're gonna do a little bit formal dinner time. So, I don't like doing it at the end of the game, because the end of the game could be good. Right. So I'm thinking. Like, have it be at that little I think little spot between the, And, I mean, well, you can also count on it potentially just being a blowout blowout. Being a blowout, no, I'm not wanting to watch the end of the game. Because it used to be that way, where you'd just be like, well, Detroit's going to lose 44 to 8, so who cares? So you're not going to watch the end anyway. Yeah. And you've got to get on your horse and go, because you've got to be into the game. But the game's at 8.20, if I'm not going to tailgate there, because we're just going to go to the game. Are you driving? Probably going to drive. That's a rough one. It's going to take you a couple hours. Why? I just feel like it will. Yeah, people are just driving at all times. These come Thursday. Hours to make a 20 minute drive? I think it's going to take you an hour at least. At least.

36:00 Jake: And you know you want to give yourself some time. You'll bring a couple beers and sit in the parking lot. I'd rather get there early than get there late. Yeah, I'm not gonna get the one. I was thinking about leaving like seven. I would leave it like 6 45. 6 30, get there seven. Have a couple beers. Maybe bring some leftovers with you. I'm not gonna be hungry. A little turkey. Alright, okay. Alright, let's get to these games. What that says, you can start dinner around 4 15 then. Where I'm going my sister's starting dinner at 4 30 but... We're not sitting down. It's buffet. It's go grab your food and go sit wherever the hell you want I have to do buffet Should just do it just set up a table with all the food and be like grab it and sit wherever you want I don't care sit wherever you want prospective. All right. Let's go. Let's get into the game go in the bathroom. I don't care Alright, let's do it Houston Houston Yes. After a rough win. Yeah, this line is showing that. Has to turn around real quick and go to Detroit and Houston is favored by three in Detroit, obviously in Detroit. For the 1230 start. By the way, there's the myth that the the old Houston plays well in Thanksgiving. Myth. Houston plays well, I mean, uh, Detroit plays well and thanks. No, they don't they don't play better or worse than they are They're Detroit Houston's favorite by three. Yeah I'm gonna take Houston. Yeah, I think they're just better. They're a much better team and last week was not That was also a division game, you know, the games are different I know there's there's some thought like oh they played a really ended late like a tough game. They got a travel They're good. I'm gonna take Houston. That's only three points. I mean if it was like six and a half or something I would take Detroit, but it's only three. Alright, then Dallas hosts Washington, which is a really fun game. And Dallas is giving three. I like... RG3. Yeah, well, give me Washington. You're a little bit. I'm gonna take Dallas. Dallas at home, by the way, Tony Romo and Thanksgiving at home undefeated. Three's not enough. Dallas has actually got a good pass D and they've got a good rush. RG3 gets rushed, gets hit one too many times. I don't know. I like Dallas. I like RG3. We'll see you next week. It's gonna be a fun game though. Alright, uh, next game's off. So, Chicago's hosting Minnesota. There's no line. I'm assuming that's a J Cutler thing. Chicago's home for now. I'm just going to fill in Chicago. Yeah. No, no, no line. Uh, they're at home. Again, I don't believe what happened to them was, was real. Beat by a really, really good team. Yeah. They got taken out beyond the woodshed. Their offensive line looked like complete dog shit. Yep, Alden Smith, it was a joke. He was laughing at the end of the game. It was a complete joke. He was like, I'm coming for you and you can't stop me. I mean, he's knocking this guy on his ass like, it was crazy. Alright, next game. Cincinnati's hosting Oakland.

39:01 Jake: I don't even know what to say here. Oakland sucks, man. They really suck, but sometimes... Their offense clicks and this could just be a shoot them out game. And I think in a shoot them out game, since you favor by eight and a half is just too much for a shootout. I'm going to choose Oakland with the back to cover. No, I'm going to take Cleveland. I mean, sorry. Yeah. Wrong team. Sorry. I'm taking since he is right above each other. I'm saying, I feel like they just got that. They got that thing that the Giants have. I said this before. It's like. Yeah, I'm just gonna throw it to AJ Green and watch him catch in the end zone And I'm gonna do that more than more times than not and you're not really gonna be able to stop me or it or anything And they do it so well. It's like that's their one trip pony. It's their thing and then they'll just run it out with them All right. The next game is also off Probably a quarterback thing Cleveland is hosting Pittsburgh I don't know why this is off though because it's pretty clear Charlie batch is gonna be the starting quarterback for Pittsburgh. Yeah, I don't know where all this burgers not coming back Not for this game. He's he was a clean lane No, not for Cleveland if anything if he's like gonna be going into Big Ben mode it'll be for the following week when they play against the Ravens again and Pittsburgh just signed Plaxico because Jericho Kottries got hurt because Ed Reed smashed him. So this game's off. I'm just gonna pick with the what I need to happen for the Jets thing and just pick Cleveland. Um, yeah, I think this is their chance. If they want to win this game. I had a chance last week, my friend. Yeah, but I mean, I guess. They blew that game. against. Against Pittsburgh, I feel like this is their chance. You're never gonna get them this beat up. Yeah, they're being your home They're gonna rally like this is our chance. We could take it to home. Let's do it So I feel like guarantee you this is low scoring no matter what the real line will be We can go look it up on the other side what the actual real line will be Where would we find that? You find that on the other other league the other go find that I will find talk about the next game you so Alright, so the next game is a battle out west. Denver and Peyton Manning make their way to the hapless Kansas City Chiefs who... I think by a point and a half. Cleveland by a point and a half Denver is making their way to Kansas City. Kansas City stinks. They really stink. And they're bad. They are bad. They're really bad. Like I... I don't even understand it. I mean they got creamed by Cincinnati after playing fairly well against Pittsburgh. Denver's 10 and a half. I just can't tell if I should pick Kansas City because of that half a point or not.

42:00 Jake: Ah, Manning's too good. I'm gonna take Denver. Yeah, I don't care about the road. I don't like the road, high point. Denver's gonna win, but 10 and a half too much. I like to stay away from those. We got Kansas City. Kansas City. Okey dokey, Smokey. Um, alright. Let's go to the next one. This-lines... Oh, okay. This-line is on. It's Atlanta. On the road. Favored by a point. Against Tampa. And I think it's about time Atlanta... I mean, they're clearly not as good as... this record. that they have. And Tampa's playing really well right now. So I like the home dog. I'm gonna take Tampa. Yeah, I actually think the land turns around this game. I don't know why. I feel like their defense, I was watching them last week, and I feel like their defense is, they have, a way of getting to guys. I don't know. I still don't believe in Josh Reem. I'm sorry. He's good. I know he's good, but I don't believe in him. Don't believe in the goodness. He's good. And muscle hamster. Come on. I'll take the point. You got the muscle hands. I mean, Atlanta almost lost to Arizona. Yeah, Arizona. The only reason I mean, Arizona is up 13 nothing and then decides to just pull their quarterback. They suck. Who does that? Let's hope that they suck long enough for them to come. Does that? That's crazy. Here's a shitty game. Tennessee is going to Jacksonville. It's good, but see here's the thing. Put a shitty game at one o'clock. Yeah. So it can be surrounded by other good games. Yeah. I mean there's still only three, four o'clock games. I guess that's because there's the two extra Thursday games. Yeah, so we have Beyond By's, there's no By's. No By's. But we have three Thursdays. For this week. Which is why there's still only... three, four o'clock games. God, I wish they figured this out. So Tennessee is going to Jacksonville. These teams both suck. I'm just gonna say, you know, Jacksonville is home and getting three points. I'll just take Jacksonville because I want Tennessee to lose. Yeah, I'll just take the home team at this point. They're getting points at home, you may as well. And they played really well last week. So maybe they'll play really well again. I think they're probably better with Chad Henny. He's better than Bling Gabbard. I think they are and they have some weapons. He's better than Bling Gabbard. Right? I mean Bling Gabbard. Looking back. Should they have taken... Should T-bo have gone to Jacksonville? I mean wouldn't that team be better team this year? Well not only would they... I don't know if they'd be so much better. They'd be better I think. But they'd actually sell their tickets right well that'd be one thing yeah, and that's kind of a real thing yeah selling tickets Tebow factor yeah, I mean they you know they should have done that all right 405 Baltimore goes across country to San Diego Baltimore is favored by one in San Diego San Diego so bad

45:00 Jake: They are gotta pick Baltimore do not pick Baltimore Baltimore is the worst road team they say they're like they're Jekyll and Hyde At home, they play lights out. On the road, they play like... Remember when they went to KC and scored nine points? I understand, but... KC's a better team than San Diego? No! KC is horrible and they scored nine points! They had to have won some road games. They're eight and two. I'm just telling you. Yeah, but they could win nine... They could win nine to eight. Okay, no, I think that's happening. I I I honestly No, don't be honest. Okay, why do me I? Lyingly, I think that San Diego is gonna win this game I bought so what you're saying is essentially essentially Baltimore is not as different picks that I'm going to make I will pick San Diego. Thanks. Okey dokey. All right This is like the prime game for 25. You got New Orleans hosting San Francisco. The line's off. I don't think this line should be off. I don't get it. I don't think it matters. It's New Orleans by point and a half. Yeah, I don't think it matters. Kaepernick or Smith, same rant I had 20 minutes ago. They're both gonna play the game. New Orleans coming around. Yeah. Told you they were. You thought they were dead. They're still out of it. They're still dead. They're not out of it. They're done they still know. But they're not. Well they're done. But they're not. They're done. Well let's go back to the good old standings here. I'm on them. And if you look, they're really not. I mean they're five and five. Yep. So in the NFC, 5 and 5, you're in the same spot the Jets are. You're two games out of the playoffs. Not worse. Look how many people are sick. 6 and 4, and a 7 and 3. 6 and 4, 7 and 3, and 5 and 5. How is that any different than what the Jets are? They have higher winners. But it's not higher winners, it's the number of games between. I understand. They have better teams with better records that their wildcard spot... Are you talking about their division or winning a wildcard? A wildcard. Oh, okay. Yeah. I can't win the division. The Falcons are going to win that division. Well, at five and five, you're no worse shaped than the Jets are because the team... seven and three is ahead of you. The Jets are four and six six and four is ahead of them. So they're two games out just like the jet All right, fine. Don't believe them. They have a better record than the Jets. They're gonna fall. Oh, you know key So New Orleans is hosting San Francisco here. The line is off. You're saying New Orleans is favored by one and a half Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna pick New Orleans San Francisco off that big win. I don't know. Short week. Short week. It's a tough place to play. Tough place to play. No, no, I don't want to talk you into this. Pick San Francisco. You know you want some common capital. I'll pick San Francisco. All right, there you go. Here's a shitty game. I've already said that. About six times. There's so many shitty games.

48:02 Jake: Arizona is hosting St. Louis. I don't know. These teams suck. Give me just give me points Arizona's hosting their favorite by two and a half. I'll take the two and a half Give me st. Louis these teams both suck. Yeah, I hung in last week at home I don't think st. Louis is gonna travel. Well, I'll give it Arizona. You're giving the Terrazano. Yeah, I'll take Arizona Okay We got the Sunday night game we got a good game Um, let's see, the Giants, they are favored against Green Bay. Yeah, I asked what happened to those tickets, so they were given away. Oh, alright. Uh, I would have gone. Um, you should have asked. That could be asked. Uh, anyway. So the Giants are favored by 2.5 against Green Bay. Giants coming off a bye. I like that about them. After losing too straight, I also like that about them. But I got to like the Green Bay revenge factor from last year a little bit more. And Green Bay has the they have their division now in sight. They've caught up to the Bears after the sluggish start. They're rolling and they've got that revenge thing going. So I'm going to take Green Bay end points. Not often you get Green Bay end points. Yeah, I don't understand this line. Me either. I feel like Green Bay is a better team. Here's the thing. The Giants... Revenge factor is huge. This is not the Giants must win game. Nope. That game they'd win. Yep. This is the protect the top. They don't win those. Yeah, they don't win this one. This is the add-on. If this was on the road and three weeks from now, they'd win it. They win it. Right, but they don't need it now. Like, they might win this game in the playoffs later on. And this whole thing, I mean, again, as an Eli Manning owner in a league, and I actually watch him a lot, and I mean, again, when you own a player, sometimes you just watch that player strangely. This whole thing with the dead arm and the taking the arm week off and how he didn't- No way, dead arm. He literally didn't- Get the fuck out of here. He didn't use his arm for a week to get- That's great. Does he really have a dead arm? I don't know. Or is he just off a little? I don't know. So I'll take Green Bay who's not off a little. Yeah, I'm with you there. If it's gonna be a shootout, who do you believe can win a shootout? Oh, they're both of them. Shoot out shootout. Yeah, both. I would take but straight up you're gonna take them shoot out Rogers versus versus Eli You'd take Rogers. Yeah, I guess I take right. They're pretty clear. It's not clear. It's not like Rogers and Sancho Sancho, I'm calling him Sancho. No, I can't stop Alright, let's go next game Alright, we got Philly hosting Carolina in yet another classic Monday Night Showdown. Could they get worse games or what? Thursday night and Monday night are just the worst. They are just the worst. This is crap. This is off. I guess it's because of Vic.

51:03 Jake: Yeah, I don't know. And they're just gonna keep losing. Give me Carolina. They're gonna keep losing because their fans won't let them win. Anything they do at home, they're just gonna have glass bottles thrown at them. Yeah, let's see. The real one actually is Carolina. Carolina's getting two and a half points. Yeah, I'll take Carolina here without the point. I'll pick up straight up. Yeah, I'll take Carolina as well. Philly's just no good. All right, let's get some more my not my boy might not even the AFC East Right McCoy might not even be playing so no, I don't think I was playing Concussion they're done like I wouldn't put it on I wouldn't play them either Yeah, and I'm playing a guy who has him in fantasy I don't want to let's see what this young guy's got like listen, this is the time when you bring in no I'm not talking Vic. I'm talking McCoy. No, I'm talking I'm talking the they're running back. They picked up years a roof It's like well, I mean you're not let's see. Yeah, but McCoy's like top three running back in Lee So it's not like you're the foals thing, but that's cuz they don't use him correctly That's correct. But the foals thing is I wouldn't put Vic back in the game. There's no point They said if he passes he's playing that's stupid. Anyway, move on. Let's get some thrown picks. All right Let's talk about Buffalo. You see what I did here in our little Agenda you see what I did nice like that you put in the put the lines in there the lines in there I like that ship back and forth all right, so How we do last week? Let's see Miami Versus Buffalo I flipped the scores that's my bad This is my bad. Let me let me fix that real quick I was so we were both right yep, and I think I was more right Okay, fine, I was. We were both right about New England. We were both right about New England, and we were both right about the Jets. Yeah. Three and oh, sweep it. Sweep it. That was good. Neither of us had New England with 59. We both had them in the 30s. We didn't have them in the high 50s. What are you talking about, dick, quarter, dick? There's two, they should get dicks of the week. Who? Bell check for running up the score. How do you run up the score? I didn't really see the game. I watched the game. When you're up by 50 something points. But I looked at the box score and it didn't look like they ran up the score. No, they did. It looked like they scored three times on returns. At one point they ran up the score. There's a time when they did it and I know San Francisco did it. San Francisco was destroying Chicago and they went for it on 4th and something. like fourth and two they went for it. Well they went for a two point conversion too at the end of the game. Yeah I mean they- That's weird. That's dickish. Like there's a point to just being like listen we've done- Yeah but I don't know I looked at- again I didn't see any of the games but I looked at the box score of the New England game and I was trying to like see oh where's where's all the scoring coming from. And I don't I didn't it did not appear to me as though that they ran the score up.

54:00 Jake: They had three return touchdowns. like defensive special teams touchdowns. No, I understand. So that's like not running up. What are you supposed to do? You're on defense, you pick the ball off, and there's no one in front of you. What are you supposed to do? Right, but in the third quarter, they scored 21 points in the fourth quarter. How though? Yeah, I don't know. I have to go back and look. Oh, yeah, Shane Vereen rushed for a four-yard left He really rushed at the middle for three yards. What are you supposed to do not run? Just sit there? They just what are you supposed to do? It's a you put The last point, after. No, that's just your personnel. You put the guy in the package. If he's in the package, he's in the package. That's it. You don't have backup. Seems stupid, but whatever. It's like McCoy got hurt. They were being blown out. And they put him in for something and he got hurt. It happens. Alright, well. Let's get to this week. So we got Buffalo in Indianapolis. And Buffalo is getting, I put him in this way. I got it. I tried to confuse you. Buffalo is getting three points on the road. So this is a pretty standard neutral field type of line. Buffalo coming off of a nice win against Miami at home on a Thursday night. Yep, got the long week. Indy coming off a real brutal loss. Yep, against New England. Then they got the short week. Not short week, but regular week. Indy plays well at home. Indy plays better at a. in a, much better at home. Buffalo, don't believe- Buffalo's just Buffalo. Don't believe Buffalo's gonna be able to stop them. I think this is gonna be two things. You're gonna see one team run the shit of it, and one team pass the shit of it, and that's just gonna be the game. It's gonna be like, we're gonna run up your ass all the way up the field and score, and the other one's gonna say, well, we're gonna do it the opposite, we're gonna pass. Both defenses? Yeah. Very good. As soon as you're being fairly high scoring. I do, I'm calling it- You, you have it higher than I do. Yeah, I see, 36-30. Like, I can see this just going. That's a lot higher than I have it. and So you have it indie winning 36.30. That's correct. And I have Buffalo winning 27.23. All right. You'll start to notice my picks. I'm starting to skew to what you want to happen. I'm starting to skew to what the brain and heart want to have. I'll be more than happy to have indie lose, but the reality is. Well, Buffalo is tied with us right now. Yeah, but we really need these teams ahead of us to start coming back. Well, we have the shot at Buffalo at the end. Sure. Well, we've already beaten Indy. Alright, so next Seattle on the road giving three points to Miami. Who all of a sudden, as I mentioned earlier, sucks dick. They do. Seattle not the same on the road? No. Quarterback does not play the same on the road?

57:01 Jake: Rope. Defense doesn't play the same on the road? Nope. That crowd's not there to help him on the road. Well, you know what? There's no crowd in the area. There's no crowd in Miami to hurt him here. Battle rookie quarterbacks Russell Wilson's just better just better than Tanne I mean this. Miami defense has all of a sudden been exposed. Yeah The Miami receivers are not gonna be able to separate from those corners on Seattle. The same way the Jets could not get open. Miami's not going to get open either, and Tannehill's not going to be able to find anybody. Tannehill's not very good. So I like it to be low scoring, because Seattle's not great on the road either. Right. But I like Seattle 13-9. No touchdowns for Miami in this game. Interesting. Yeah, I see them getting a... I too. You know, if this were home, I would say 31.6. Oh yeah, blowout city. But, Seattle's had a week off, so it's not like they're... They had to buy. Had to buy. Miami, they're just not... They're not good. Well, it's better than Ryan Tannehill. ? Right here? Yeah, the two played the games. I say he is. Well, he also can he can scramble a little bit more than Tannehill can and Tannehill's making he's showing what people said out of him in college again I paid some attention because you know the AFC East and whatever that his Decision-making wasn't very good and so I'm wondering to see and that thing that they did against us twice that sort of just whipped it down To Brian Hartline hasn't working. He's like missing it. So I don't know and do you think that the game that we lost? I experience. Well given the experience but more is better. More's a better quarterback. He is. He's a great backup. I wish he was our backup. Me too. I'd love to have Matt Moore's back for us. I'd love Matt Moore instead of Tim Tebow. Let's trade Matt Moore for Tim Tebow. He also comes in hot, or comes in cold, and plays well, as you saw playing against us. . So. Oh, he's fine. He's a better quarterback. He's adequate. So I think it'll be close, but I go scoring. Matt Moore's going to get a chance as a starting quarterback somewhere. I don't think so. I think he will. He's done. At some point. No. I mean, it'll be a hurt. Someone will get hurt, but no one's going to sign him and start him. I think you'll get a chance. 1713 Seattle. It's a game. Should Seattle be... So, you know how we talk about we spent all this money on Tim Tebow? Yes. And we could have spent that money elsewhere. Yes.

1:00:00 Jake: Oh yeah, I mean they paid him starter drat like three free agent starter money six million dollars or something with like a 10 million dollar kicker. Yeah Shouldn't they I mean they could have went out and signed a receiver. Yeah or Someone not a backup quarterback. Yeah They should have known I mean they drafted well It's like a project yeah, but not really cuz if you I don't know if you watch them But I watched all of them the the broughton quarterback University shows this kid was Literally the most impressive, but then why was he dropping the fifth because he's five foot nine Yeah, that's it. I mean NFL is stupid sometimes. He plays big. Sometimes the NFL is just stupid. Well, the stats also don't lie. Let's see him do it consistently and... Well, he was a winner in college too. Picked up two different systems. You can be a winner in college, you can win big game... In two different... You can be undefeated in college and still come in the NFL and suck. Yeah, but he played a pro style offense. Whatever. I don't get it. Whatever. This is not the Seattle podcast. Just hit the one hour part. One hour mark. Still with us because we're about to get to the game of the millennium. Game of the millennium. You could say that our season, it sits on this game. It's not actually true at all. But you could say that this is our season. This is our season. This is our playoffs. This is our season. Until further notice. Every game. Every game is our season. Yep. So this is our season. Alright, give me some Thursday night. Give me some break. What have we got injuries going on here? Well, Curly is a game time type decision. I talked about that and you're lining up with the heel and the hamstring. We finally got Kenric Ellis back and then he got hurt almost immediately. That didn't help. Powell and McKnight looked really good. Yep. Oh, God. Let me give a little shout out there. Sperano did use, he sprinkled them both in there. Yo, he used McKnight doing the best thing he's done all season. A little swing passes. Throw it to him. Yeah, a little swing. Throw it to the guy. Throw the guy. He's very talented. Yeah, he can catch the ball. He can. And that was a good catch. It sure was. It was a nice throw too. Do that more. Do it a little more. There was some opinions that said they did that because they knew they were playing Thursday. So they didn't want to have Green rush the ball 25 times. And then play again. And then play again on Thursday. So he only ran 18 times. That's why they did Sanchez too. They only had him throw the ball 20 times. They can rest his arm. Rest the arm, like Eli. Yeah, dead arm. Dead arm. So that's an injury worth watching because Curly had a great game against New England the last time they played, went for over 100 yards. Well we just don't have enough core to like glue wide receivers. No, if you lose Curly... Then I don't even know where you are doing like Well, they cut chill and they cut hill they cut hill again. Well, so you've got you've got shillings hill gates I

1:03:01 Jake: Can't even name another yeah, that's it Yeah, maybe they work out Turner again and bring him back. I heard they actually that was on news I mean he's got to play currently got a play. He's but that's what he doesn't have to return punts. That's fine That's right. I felt like they actually like they didn't penalize him for fumbling right? They actually said you're injured don't return punts, right? So, you know, we I'm hoping that he can play other than that. I don't think there's much much to talk about. The side is it's Gronk out. Oh, well, that's the big thing. Hernandez likely to come back. They're getting Hernandez back. So it's like, I'll trade. I'll trade Gronk for all. I think we I'll. take Gronk out. Oh yeah. Take Gronk out of the game any day of the week. Absolutely. Because Hernandez is not as dynamic as Gronk. No. Hernandez probably a more gifted receiver. Like he can go split out way wide. Like as a wide receiver. But give me Gronk out and Hernandez coming back after like four weeks of injury. I'll take it. Gronk is a great blocker. Yeah. I mean they can run the shit out of the ball because he can block. Big they're losing a big component of their offense. I like a huge goal line threat. Yep I mean, he's a goal line. He's automatic. Yeah on the goal line Brady to Gronk automatic Yep, and he's good for at least a touchdown a game. So you take that out of the equation Okay, you know Rex mentioned it, you know, he was like look it's it's not like You know, it's not like there's anything... Um... Uh... It's not like they're... like they're lacking for weapons. Like, oh, what was me? They lost Grond. But he's like, am I sad that he's not playing? Nope. You don't want to see him on the field. So, you know, we have to cover Lloyd, we have to cover Welker. Lloyd's a piece of shit. Lloyd's not a piece of shit. He's a piece of shit. That guy is a piece of shit. He's better than every single receiver on our roster. Doesn't matter, he's really bad. He's no good. He's not that bad. He's not! The preseason hype was so fucking up his ass. But he's not that bad. Well, then why are we going to the Patriots? That's gonna be the... No, they barely throw to him. But that's... Okay, fine, whatever. He's not bad. He's not terrible like you said. Like, you put him on the jets, he's our best receiver by a lot. Maybe no definitely and every listener will agree and they'll post on the comments and all that other bullshit fuck you listeners so He's the castle baby. He's to the castle. I This has to be like the last game we have to be aggressive and we have to throw the ball That's the weakness of the Patriots. It's very hard to run on them, but we should be able to throw on this team, and we should be able to throw down the field on this team. And I mean, I think it was one of Sanchez' better games.

1:06:00 Jake: It was against the- Statistically, yeah. Against the pass. Over 300 yards. Just everything. Yeah. He did everything well. So my key to the castle is- throwing the ball effectively down the field to set up the run and get the play action going and no T-bow Adding that's the end no T. I don't care if he's here's it's no I do no T-bow zero plays I don't mind if you throw him in on the play that makes sense Just when it's the not know even if you want to I just hate my hate my thing on this is don't Have him come in when it's either after sandwiches to something great. It's not gonna work against the pads and right Well, but he gonna want to bring him in on every punt on every pun so we can find he could play the punt good He's the pump protector great great, but no it's not gonna work against the pads Alright, what's your check is just too smart for the prediction. I have a winning. Okay 27 26 close Yeah, so I get a nail biter as a matter of fact. This is gonna be a signature game Because this is not 27 26 Jets are winning you know 2716 and the Pats in the fourth quarter drop. This is a drive. This is a Jets are losing 26 24 Kick game winning field goal with like 10 seconds left. I think that win it. So here's the thing We played them already once in their house and we came very close to winning We beat them the way the Dolphins beat us in the first game. Yes Then we lost and they lost right right exactly what I said I feel like we have every chance is I don't think this and let's look at the line The line has us at a line. The bats are favored by six and a half. I think that's a little respect for the Jets because first time was 10 and a half. Yeah, that's pretty disrespectful to be given to be getting six and a half or four and six team against one of the best teams in football. I feel like that's not like they're undefeated. It's not like they're, you know, coming in at eight and one. There's seven and three. All right. I totally think that, you know. Basically take the game plan that we had before and just execute better. Really has to come down to... It's I don't think so. I don't think that was... You can't do the same thing against the Pats because they will get you. Well, you have to do the exact same place, but you can do the same thing, which is I'm going to play your weaknesses, the strengths that I know... And here's the thing, I just need to execute better. We just need to execute better. And we had a couple drops. We had a couple, we had them running back for a touchdown. Like there was stuff that we got that game. We needed to execute better in the last two and a half minutes of that game. And we needed to be smarter. And I think our pass rush is better than it was when we first played them. I believe that is true. I think our chance of getting to Brady is better. And we all know, everybody knows, if you can get to Brady. Early well we we usually do a good job of getting to Brady It's surprising like I've watched some Jets Pats games with people who are not Jets fans and and

1:09:03 Jake: Like watch the Pats and and they're always surprised by the way that we are able to rush Brady along, right? It's just by the third and fourth quarter. He starts to just get it. It clicks, and he starts getting the matchups that he wants, and all of a sudden you got Welker with Bart Scott covering him. And it's like, oh shit. And you can see it on TV, you're like, call timeout, call timeout, Bart Scott is lined up over Wes Welker, call timeout. And then it's a 50-yard play. Here's the thing that we need, and I think this is going to be the game decider. So I think here's what I think the prediction, you look at the two things, if you do nothing else, I'll tell you who's going to win this game. Tell me. One stat. 52. Time and possession. Time and possession? We need to be... This... Our defense can play high levels, but they're like a firecracker or like a whatever, or like a rocket. They play for high levels for a short period of time. They do not play consistent ball throughout games. We've seen them wear down in the third and fourth quarter. We've seen them let them game. We can't let that happen. And what the best way to keep your defense fresh, Long, we have more time, time possession? I think we've won this game, I think we can win this game. That's my Key of the Castle is good, sustained drives down the field and I think we'll be able to win. I don't want, you know, quick... 60 yard passes this time, I want sustained drives. Cause you know what? Every time we're on the field, that means Tom Brady is not on the field. This is about time possession and and playing lights out D, Jet's win and my brother and sister-in-law go home, have to drive home all the way back to Massachusetts, unhappy. So that's it. Remember to go to all the places to follow us. I'll try to get this up tonight. Until next week, get all the JetKingdom.com and the Twitter and the Facebook. We'd love to see you there. We'll be back next week with. with another podcast, Win Loser Draw. We'll be looking at. Whatever, we'll be happy as can be, but until then and as we always say, Go Jets! you