Totally Terrible

Opening

Onan, what is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and they'll hear the lamentation of their women.

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00:09 Jake: The best place to be is when expectations are high. Get used to it. It's always going to be that way. Can't wait! Three, two, one, go! Go, go, go! Weeee! Welcome to JK in the podcast. It's the longest running near Jess podcast forever. My name is Jake and joining me on the other side of the terrible table in this terrible, terrible podcasting position is Justin. Justin, how you doing? You doing terrible? Yeah. Justin: Explain yourself. People in the back office, Jack Kingdom podcast, are saying I'm terrible. You are terrible. I don't like it. Alright, are they talking about you? They're talking about me. They're talking about how bad you are? They won't say who they are. They're anonymous. They're anonymously ripping me. Oh, fuck. It's like, you know what, let me, let me, let me. You're gonna just rant on this now? Let me rant on this for a second. Alright, go for it. Go for it. I'll sit here and masturbate. I would put money on the fact that nobody actually said anything. No, I would agree. I do not like this daily news reporter guy manage. He can't, so you say he can do whatever he wants. No he can't. Yes he can. Well, he can't go and say an anonymous source tells me something and then make that up. Why, why? Hold on. It's, it's like. I went to broadcasting school. I took broadcasting ethics. No one would ever know this. Not, not ethical. But totally doable. Oh, yeah, but you could also go and quote somebody and not have that be a real quote. Sure. You can make stories up. I saw some newspapers. Why do you think that's... You don't... Jake: I don't think one of 60 guys or 50 something guys could sit in there and one of them would go like, he's terrible. I totally could see that. On the record? I don't know. No, off the record. Anonymous. Justin: Off the record. Anonymous. Terrible. But if you're saying off the record, that means off the record. You can't write this. Can I quote you on that? Jake: You can't quote me, you can say anonymous. Absolutely. Some dude, one of, and after coming out of a thing, totally down, I could totally see, I mean, I could name the three top three players you think could have done it. Justin: Bart Scott. Here's the thing. The sad part is he's terrible. Yeah, like it's actually a true statement. Like I don't actually care. I just care that it's Jake: It shows the circus it's everything it's everything we said From when he was when we traded for him everything we said is it's so pathetically true This is what bugs me so much. It was so easy to predict like predicting the Sun will come up tomorrow. It's like

03:05 Jake: It's so easy to predict that this was going to happen. That it's gonna re- we all said at the beginning, fine, he's a, you know, dynamic player on the field, but here's what we don't want to have happen. We don't want to rip apart our fucking locker room, done. We don't want it to be like a constant distraction during preseason, during the game. on. done. We don't want to be constantly like, when are you gonna put in Tebow? Because he's not a good quarterback, but it's not like we have Drew Brees sitting in the background. It's like, when are you gonna put in Drew Brees? It's like, when are you gonna put in this guy who basically can't throw the ball? So it's everything that we could have possibly said was the worst case scenario has happened, and it was totally and utterly predictable. So like, why didn't anybody up there with half a fucking brain. I'm ranting. Get this, we all saw this happen last year. It split the locker room. People were like, put him in, put him in. Then they did. He was a terrible quarterback, but he won games. We don't have that defense. We don't have Mile High Stadium to have people that have breath that they can't even breathe when they're playing us. the Terrible, terrible, terrible decision. That's what should be, totally terrible. Terrible decision, terrible coaching, terrible offensive coordinator, terrible GM, terrible owner, you're all terrible. Can't fire the owner. Justin: Fire everyone else though. Here's the thing. We don't know and I don't know and you don't know and nobody knows why when how who pulled the trigger Hey, Matt Slauson put his name on his quote. What was his quote? I give him a little credit because at least he said something and he was like He said it. Yeah, said Mark's our guy. We believe in Mark We only have one backup quarterback McIntyre or Mac McElroy And then we have another guy who's an athlete. Well, Sean Green came out and said, We should, it's time to try to maybe try Tebow. You know what Sean Green should be? He actually, I think he actually said, it's time to think about a change. Jake: He's no good either. He should be changed. Yeah. Change you. He's lucky these guys are getting hurt. Here's the thing though. And I will tell you, after that game, I was miserable. I was miserable, but I decided that for the first time instead of being miserable and just like shutting stuff off Justin: I was just gonna like see if I can like over misery myself those guys on the post game We're terrible so much better though to watch that the worst of them is Lucas Ray Lucas kills the Jets on that well shine They were all brutal but shine in Lucas were Michael is usually a little bit loose He's like more of a homer. I was on this one How's that possible? He's always on. No, it wasn't him. It was uh... It's always Cleggo, Lucas, and Shiny. It was Luke, Lucas, Shiny, and someone. I don't think it was Cleggo this time. It was someone else.

06:00 Justin: Was it Chris Jenkins? No, I don't think it was Jenkins. It's like their only guys. I was, I was nothing. Whatever. They sucked. They really sucked. I mean it was to be expected. that they weren't gonna be able to do a whole lot, but they scored zero points. They scored zero, zero, zero points. Jake: But here's my problem with this game, and here's the thing that I think, as someone who's defended Mark Sanchez for a long time, here's the thing that when they brought this up, I went, oh shit, that is true, and that has nothing to do with anything. Thanks for watching. First of all, the game, I hate games that like give you hope. And when we go out and play good D and stop a number one running back and turn the ball over and score using the turn the ball over but then just can do absolutely nothing fucking else. It just kills me. It's like, you had a chance. You had a chance to win that. And then you get beat by, not by a good team, or not by a team that's actually just beating you Justin: with good offense, trick fucking plays and trick throws into touchdowns. That was only the last touchdown. There was no trickery before that. But it was just brutal to watch that shit. The first touchdown pass was Golden Tate beat Wilson. in the comments section. Open great throw wasn't open. He was good coverage, but better throw You know date the Wilson to rice Open good throw we made Russell Wilson look really good Oh, and we don't do that to I read a stat before the game I didn't bring up on the podcast, but we've played rookie quarterbacks under Rex Ryan and They had only given up one touchdown ever to a rookie quarterback and they had eight interceptions To rookie quarterback under Rex Ryan and this kid threw two touchdowns and no interceptions that a 131 QB rating even though I thought like we played really well on defense. We just got Really tired, but he wasn't the best way to quarterback on the golden tape. We go to the 158 point. Oh, it's one throw Whatever. It's as high as you can get right 150.3 one throw for one touchdown. You're gonna have that but oh head 79.2 Well, you three for three for eight yards big production They ran the same play a number of times What killed them really was they had a chance to go up 14-7. Right. These fucking idiots, on 3rd and 1 at the 1, decide, let's bring in Tebow. Fine. I actually don't mind. But, it got- it got- it got really confusing. And Seattle's not the place to have these substitution things, because what's gonna happen is, you're gonna have false starts, because they have different cadences, different timings. things. I mean two of the one for the the third and one at the goal line instead of just instead instead instead straight ahead they line up with T-bow which is fine because I feel like that's a fine play instead they fall start now that they're now they gotta bring

09:00 Justin: Sanchez back in the game which I disagree with like what's the point just just keep going he's not gonna do any better well he didn't cuz he threw an interception do it pick six No. Jake: And didn't you get sex out of it? No. But here's the thing. Here's the number and the thing that I... It's the thing that I'm actually now... Okay, you could make the excuses that Mark Sanchez in his fourth year should not make excuses. You can say, he should be better. There's no nothing that he should be better. His numbers should go up. They have not only gone down from last year, which was whether you want to the argue as to what number you're looking at, was a not an up year. Maybe it was whatever. But it wasn't up. His decision making wasn't up last year. It was down. Decision making. This year, it's way the fuck down. Here's the thing. Here's the number. Nine. Nine is the number. Nine? Red zone interceptions. You and I both know his jet— That's not true. Sanchez, yeah. This year over his lifespan. It's more than any other fucking quarterback ever. His decision making in the red zone is horrible. And it's killing games. It's killing games. Here's the thing. That wasn't the thing no that here's the thing you can't add everything you asked to do you're gonna you turn over the ball You know fumble the ball you're gonna be Michael Vicki or whatever nine intercepts Interceptions in the red zone think about that cuz that's not that's not nine That's not like you know not throwing nine touchdowns that is taking away and reversing and sometimes getting the other side. That's worth a lot of points. That's games. And here he is. And that's not about another player. That pass wasn't about another player. That was Marc Sanchez staring down a guy and throwing it right to the corner. Justin: Like, here you go, buddy, or safety, whoever. Oh, I think he stared him down. He was just late. And it looked like he could barely get the ball in there. It was late. He was late, he was open, caliber was open. Didn't stare him down. 10 minutes before he threw the ball. Oh, 10 minutes before. Jake: Bad decision making. Yeah, it was bad turn- It's bad decision making. But it's not, this isn't the first time he's done this. This isn't the second time. He does this all the time. And you and I, this is what I was about to say. You and I as Jets fans, we literally can call it. It's like calling that a T-book comes on your team, your s team is gonna turn into a circus. We sit there at games, when we watch games together, and we go, uh-oh, here it is, I can just sense it. Here it comes, here comes the really poorly timed Mark Sanchez interception. It's the time when you can't have an interception, like you're backed up on your two, uh-oh, Mark Sanchez interception. Or you're just about to score, uh-oh. While I was sitting there. You're earning something, you can just, you can almost. We'll see you next week. I'd love to know how many third in whatever see thrown in sepsis Justin: I was sitting there watching the game with the Giants fan and we had watched the Giants game earlier and he was like Oh, I can't watch this anymore and

12:01 Justin: Eli Eli had like a play where He was getting sacked and he was trying to do something And it ended up being a fumble or an interception. I was like, you're going to see that later. And he goes, what? I'm like, you're going to see Mark Sanchez either throw an interception or a fumble from his ass. And those are the plays that I hate more is like. You're getting sacked. Just go down. Just take the sack. It's okay. But instead he like tries to throw the ball falling down. Right. And it becomes a fumble. And then the game's over. Like completely over. The defense played well. I know they gave her 28 points. Three quarters they played well. Well when the offense can't get past the 50. I agree. Then there's nothing the defense can really do for four quarters. Right. It's kind of impossible when when the offense is driving and gonna go up 14 7 there are third They they're on the one-yard line and it goes the other way and then the defense has to come back on the field And when the offense literally can't get past the 50 the 50 was like well the goal line It was like they couldn't get past the fifth numbers Jake: 11 first downs. No, it's pathetic 11 first the offense was Brutal. Third down efficiency two for 11. Brutal. Total net yards 185 yards Justin: Brutal. No, it's terrible. We knew that this was gonna be a hard game But again, I rather come out and then just get beat like they did get beat Jake: But no, but not have the the point of where it looks like it looks like there's a chance Like we didn't get beat for like I'd rather have that game gone this way kick the ball, Lee and Washington, touchdown! Then Sean Green fumble, and then they go, and it's 14-0. Justin: They did, they kicked the ball off to us, we went nowhere, or whatever we did, they scored a touchdown, they're up 7-0. Fine, we tie it on a strip sack, right? Momentum shift, and you're like, all you need to do is go down there and put two points on the board. And then we have another chance, we don't... At that point, with that pick, I said game over. It was 7-7, I said game over. Game's over. And I'm gonna win. They can't score. It's pathetic. And this use of Tebow, I'm so fucking sick of it. You shouldn't even just- just either... Ben Shroom right don't use them zero plays I'm I'm sick of the third and one where I said he can actually be useful third one You know what? What get it confuses the whole team the whole team will try like no they have no idea Jake: They all start practice the entire time they actually practice or they just not how does this well? Justin: There's a good great point If the whole thing was, oh, the defense on the other team's gonna have to prepare for us doing this, I mean, we don't prepare for it. Well, meanwhile, apparently, this takes away reps from someone who really needs them.

15:04 Justin: Name's Mark Sanchez. Needs reps. Jake: Practice he also needs I hate this because I always feel like it's sort of a stupid thing But then it seems to be a truth Just there is a rhythm to a game there is a rhythm to calling plays Justin: He throws a pass to the best hit like his best pass of the game I don't have to Keller a 32-yard play to Keller And they pull him right out of the gate. It's like, come on dude, I just fucking threw the ball 30-something yards down the field for a nice throw. Now you're pulling me out of the game so T-Bo could run for two yards. No, it's exactly what we saw. This is dumbest shit ever. I'm so fucking sick of this shit. Wow, you're gonna break the podcasting. I really am. It's super annoying. Here's another example. I'm sitting there with the Giants fan, right? Yep. I'm sitting there, we're watching the game. And a stupid, innocuous handoff play. Russell Wilson hands the ball off to Marshawn Lynch out of the shotgun. It's a read option. And he hands the ball off to Marshawn Lynch and he fake bootlegs out. And Calvin Pace crashes down on Marshawn Lynch and they stop him for two yards. Right. And the guy I'm sitting with, Al, he goes... Alright you stop March on Lynn two yards. I'm like, yeah but Russell Wilson within the next five plays is gonna run for 20 yards on us because he just faked that and Nobody followed him Calvin pace crashed down the whole way. Right? He goes. What are you talking about? Like I will bet you that within the next five plays Russell Wilson will fake that same handoff and run for 20 yards He goes, okay. Three plays later, Russell Wilson ran on that same play for 18 yards. Now I'm fucking pissed I am that I'm sitting there watching on television and can say that and be right. Like that, that makes me so mad that that a fan can sit there and see that. And the coaches on the field can't see that and the fucking idiot players can't see that Like how why should I see that and be right? Jake: Not that I don't want you to rant and don't love your anger do very good Justin: But you're also at a different perspective that no one gets to see it's on the field. No one sees what you saw. No The coaches see that shit. No, they're at a different angle. Oh, they do. Well, they're at a different angle. Mike Patton's sitting in the coaches' box, which is the same exact angle that I have. Fine, but that player is not. And you're right. Should he be told? Jake: He should. Should they play for it? Yes, they should. It's probably on tape 100 times they've run that play against the other people they've played for the last nine weeks. Justin: It's not like that's never been done. Like, dude, contain. That's your job. Alright. Bullshit. Let's get to some... Oh, I'm so angry. Let's get to some fools of the game. Everybody. Everybody? Really? By the way, another fuck up on special teams too.

18:00 Justin: Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Jake: Uh, again, killing us, right? Again, when you can't... When the team that you can't... You don't want to give an advantage to, you're gonna give an advantage to. I'm gonna pick uh I'm actually just gonna pick Rex Ryan because I feel like You got it. You had to make choice chases. You have to realize that it's not working He is sticking to his gun so much. It's nothing that I disagree with him, but it's like There's no there's nowhere to go. There's nowhere to go in this and you've made this bed And now you got a lie in it and I think honestly I think I think everything's up for grabs at this point. I think his job is up for grabs, Tan and Hale, Sperano, I don't know why he's on this. Justin: I mean, I- Until further notice, Tony Sperano's my fool of the game. Okay, good. Until further notice, he will be the fool every single time they lose. And every time they lose. It will be a fool for a while. All right, so we talked a little bit about the news that's going on, the Tivo no good. You know, it's kind of crappy that we didn't pick players. wires. I can pick some players. Dustin Keller had a shit game. Shit game, that's true. So I'm gonna co-fool Dustin Keller. Drop, key drop on third down, two false starts, one on the goal-line. Jake: So give me a, we need to know, where are you on Sanchez right now? Bad year, be back next year, shouldn't be on our team anymore. I'm signed since then goes, he should never play for the New York Jets ever again. No, he's wrong. Okay. Justin: He's wrong. Uh, nope. I- You can't just take those first two years and throw him out the window. You- I- Learn from Alex Smith. You can't just- You can't just- Learn from Drew Brees. I'm not putting him in Drew Brees' category, but I am putting him in Alex Smith's ca- Alex Smith was the number one overall draft pick and he looked like garbage his first five or six years in the league and Now he's very competent there What he needs is real good nurturing and coaching on the offensive side of the ball Fine, we ran Schottenheimer out of town. Fine. Sperano is a big mistake and he will be fired. He'll be the first one fired. They need to hire a good offensive coordinator and a real quarterback coach to nurture and work with the guy. I think the best comparison is Alex Smith. Jake: Alex Smith, so just throw us some numbers because you called out there, I'm gonna pull them up here. First year, 2005. Justin: You had one year where Norv Turner was his offensive coordinator, which I imagine is somewhere in the middle of his career. That's where his numbers are gonna spike and then they're gonna go down again. Jake: Well, so completion percentage, where I think everybody agrees that that's sort of a big number, right? Quarterback rating is whatever. We'll see you next time, on The Daily Boman. But completing percentage, you have to complete a certain amount of pass. So first year, 50.9, but it's in nine games.

21:00 Jake: It doesn't look like, yeah, nine games. Second year, 58.1. Third year, 48.7. But then since then, 2009, 10, 11, 12, 60.5, 59.6, 61.3. Justin: And this year, where he's actually killing it at 70%. But the last two years he's had really good coaching. Oh, alright. So you're saying it's not, you're stung? Rex Ryan's not an offensive coach. He's clearly not. He almost to the point of not caring. I don't even care. Don't even care how this thing happens. It's more of a defensive minded thing. Let's get to some news. So you're still on champ Sandbat. You're still a Sanchez fan. I think this is a throwaway year for him. I mean, they just don't have the right things around. There's no weapons around him. The running game's not there. The O-line is fine. But if you said last year with the, you took a step back. This is not a step back. This is like seven steps back. I never thought he took a step back last year. I personally did not. Statistically, on some of his stats he did. And even on the field I didn't think he took that much of a step back. I mean, in the red zone they were the best team in the league. Like, I don't feel like he was that bad last year. Still threw a shit ton of picks. Yeah, but threw the most interceptions, or threw the most touchdowns he's ever thrown. Yeah, but if you're throwing that many picks it's not really, you know. Drew Brees does, Drew Brees threw more picks. I'm just saying, like guys throw picks. If you throw, you're gonna throw picks. Jake: Some guys don't find no he's not Aaron Rodgers. Yeah last year Mark Sanchez again completed percentage from 2009 10 11 12 So we went from 53.8 to 54.8 56.7 right up yards up average a little bit down But, touchdowns, 12, 17, 26, we've talked about this before, interceptions, 20, 13, 18. So a lot of people say, listen, that's great, but you didn't go up. You know, you're not going up in terms of, you should be making better decisions, you should be throwing less interceptions than you were the year before. This year, he already has... Justin: Basically having his worst year. Yeah, he's having his worst year this year other than maybe his rookie year His completion percentage is the worst in the league 52.0, you know that's gonna happen when Clyde Gates is one of your main weapons 10 touchdowns I mean no one's in there said no one's scared of Clyde Gates on the outside Where he's so near Jason Hill nobody's worried about either by the way, I'm winning that bet Oh yeah, you are winning the Jason Hill bet. Guys started so strong. Whatever his name is, Hill. Oh, Stephen Hill. Jake: We have Jason Hill, we dropped, picked up, dropped. I don't know. Speaking of drops, cut Mabin. Goodbye. He was doing nothing. He had like six sacks last year, seven sacks? Yeah. Justin: Crazy. When nobody was planning for him. No one cared. Injuries, what do we got for injuries? Powell's got a concussion. Yep. So we ended up signing Clill Bell.

24:00 Justin: Yep. From Chicago, who spelled Forte the last couple of years. We got McKnight still practicing lightly, hoping he could come back because. You know, he's a weapon, at least. Are we answering this question? And then I got I got I got I got the question that we all want to know. Well, our play really sucks that we lost last week because. Big Ben's gonna be out for a little while with Pittsburgh. Yep. They got a tough schedule They got played a little very good. Well, Baltimore's gonna win that division Pittsburgh's got play Baltimore twice through the next three weeks. Yes I do it without Big Ben cuz he's not playing for a while. He's got this. He'll be back Oh, no, you think he's got this thing that they said if his rib like moves a little to kill him. I've watched that guy come back where they literally he'll be out for two or three weeks and he comes back at the half. Well wearing like a Superman cape. Oh, super. Indy's got a tough schedule the rest of the way and those are the teams that are kind of like up there. Miami just got their ass kicked two weeks in a row. They're going backwards. It really sucks we lost because we had a chance. If we would have been, you know, four and five, like I said, we need to win two of the next three last week. And I really thought we needed to win last week. We still need to win two of those three. But now if you win, that was counting on winning the last five in a row. Right. So really, we're looking at win seven in a row. Win out. Win out. And that's gonna be hard. It's gonna be very hard. And really? And this team does not look like they're ready to win anything. And it looks like they're about to crumble. About to fold. So playoff chances slim. Jake: I think there's a 3 in 6. It's like a 3% chance. Justin: Yeah, I mean the rest of the AFC is no great shakes, but... There's teams. I don't even know like this team is just ugh, it's just disgusting. It is disturbing. Let's speak about good stuff like me Top of the L actually I'm not top one. Not at the top. No I am I'm 82 You're not at the top. 82 But you're not at the top. I'm second to top. I'm above you bitch. You are above me. Two games. So 1.5 games. If we look at the projected playoff bracket I'm in there Yeah, you are. You're also in there. We're not playing each other in the first round, which I'm glad, which means we have a chance to play each other in the finals. We're not going to play each other. You're not going to make it. Why do you think that? Because I play you again, and I'll beat you again. Do we play again? Yeah, baby. Oh, I can't wait to beat you. Like you did the first time? Wow. Oh, you didn't beat me. My team's just better than yours. Oh, so much better. So much better. When does the playoffs start in this? In like, I think it says, well, if there's a notice, it says our playoffs start soon. You must make any desired changes to the league's playoff structure prior to the start of the final. Jake: Alright, let's see schedule. Justin: Let's just look at last week. So, looking at last week, I played... My ass are weak 14. I played Matty jets Matty Johnson and

27:04 Justin: We could change the playoff teams to more rounds. We wanted. I like the way we said we weren't gonna switch anything This is two rounds. It's literally gonna be over 14 6 4 1415. Maybe we should add one more round. No, no 14 50 16 Right no buys Two weeks 14 15. Oh wait weeks per playoff matchup Finals are two rounds in ESPN leagues. What does that mean? That means you played two weeks Two weeks each So was it I think the finals are only that way you played two weeks against each other Like two Super Bowls like you know, maybe you beat me week one by three points But I beat you in week two by six points and I win. All right, that can be fun. That could be fun I beat I beat Matty Jats 97-88 I got a big game out of Adrian Peterson G beat NYC green-blooded we actually tied 97 97 which is fun you got a good game out of I guess Frank Gore yeah with my number one guy Aaron Rodgers on a buy I I am I think I'm in for a win because I am taking on the one in nine New York sack exchange There you go mark. I think I beat him you're taking on the three and seven Wood shed who I've already beaten once and we're probably going back into our divisions I I would presume projected at a plus plus 19 when do we play each other here plus 20 plus 56? Has he I don't think he has his people in there yet a lot of my week guys He's got we-play the last week of the season so it might not even be significant It might be very sick. Well you lose one or two games. It could be knocking you out of the playoffs We will see we will see yeah right now my projection is to win by 56 bloodshed and he can certainly fill those slots. You know why he's doing one in nine? I can tell you right now. Look at this quarterback. This quarterback's Mark Sanchez. Yes, that's his jet. That's his problem. Yep, there's your problem. There's your problem right there. All right, let's move on to checking the pick of something I'm also winning in. Oh, you had a good week. Jake: Not even the best week, but I still, but now, like predicted. did I went from losing to you in the first beginning of the season to now I am how many games ahead of you?- five? Justin: Five games ahead. I'll catch up. Yeah, you're not gonna catch anything. You're gonna catch a cold. I'm gonna catch a cold. Alright, so every week we pick all the games against the spread. We leave out the AFC East matchups so that we can do our throne picks later on where we pick scores and go a little bit more in depth. There's actually an AFC East. East rivalry game tonight, which makes the Thursday night game a little more enjoyable. Buffalo will be hosting Miami

30:02 Justin: We'll get to that later on We will start with at one o'clock Atlanta coming off of Their first loss right last week Taking on Arizona at home in the dome and Atlanta's gonna be pissed the f off and they're gonna win by more than 10, which is a line. What are you doing over there? I was making my other picks, but I'll jump back in here just to tell you how I'm gonna win. Uh... Atlanta, Arizona. What do you got? Atlanta's giving 10. I don't like 10. Take Arizona. Okay, we already differ. Yup. Alright Uh... Is hosting Cleveland Dallas is giving eight points. I don't like the eight even though Dallas took care of business last week on the road I don't know. I don't like the eight even though it's Cleveland. I'm gonna take Cleveland. They got a good running game in the... Come on, pay attention. Alright, I was just making my final pick in the other one. Just pay attention. Dallas? Jake: I'm gonna take Dallas. I think Dallas at home against a crappy team. 8 points is not enough to scare me off. We differ again. Justin: Alright, Green Bay versus Detroit. In Detroit, Green Bay's favored by 3.5, coming off their by, getting a little healthier, lost an offensive lineman. If I were to call correctly, this was the Thanksgiving game, where Dom can choose from somebody. Maybe? Maybe. And they played again in the last week of the season and Green Bay put up Monster Numbers without badges. I would like Green Bay to put up some more Monster Numbers coming out for them. I am winning by more than 3 and it wins on the road. Take, uh, join Nelson's back, Green Bay wins. Alrighty. Uh, Cincinnati travels to Kansas City, lowly Kansas City Chiefs who are terrible. Cincinnati coming off a big win against the Giants. Could be a letdown game. Three and a half on the road? I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I think I'm gonna take... Oh, this is a tough one. Kansas City can't score for shit. Cincinnati is just... I don't feel like they're that good and they're coming off like a big... This is like a trap game. So I'm gonna take Kansas City and the three and a half at home. Jake: No, trap game is Kansas City actually trying to stick it in close to the Pittsburgh. They were supposed to be destroyed. Yeah, I think since... Justin: That defense showed up though. Yeah, they did. I don't think they show up again. I'll take Cincinnati. Okie dokie. Moving right along, we have Washington hosting Philly, sans Michael Vick, I think. Yes, 100%. 100%, he's just like done. Well, he could have a boo-boo on his pinky right now Jake: and they'd sit him. He's done, right? Justin: This was like, no one nickfolds. This was kind of the excuse. use. If you will, I mean, you don't want to you don't want to say excuse you kind of really bad concussion But this was the way that they could just bench him right unless falls comes out and completely shits the bed

33:02 Justin: But I mean basically philly's kind of out of it. They're out of it. They've lost five or six in a row They're out of it washington. I like I like them in this game. I like them to score some points Uh, I like them by more than three and a half at home I do too. Not a good home team, but they're terrible team. I like Washington anyway, but Philly's a terrible team. Yeah, they are. Tampa, very hot. Tampa's a hot team right now. So hot right now. So hot right now. They're a cancel. Taking on Carolina. In Carolina. And Tampa is favored on the road. Tampa favored on the road in Carolina. Well, Carolina's no good either. I mean, that's sort of... It's just like before the season started, you wouldn't think that would mean it would Well, Josh Freeman sort of found his groove and they have a running back who... They got a running back. ...can run. Yeah. Jake: Muscle hamster. Muscle hamster's great. It's a great technique. I'm gonna take him. Tampa. You know what? I'm actually gonna go with Carolina in this one. I know why. Justin: No, it's not because I just picked up Cam Newton another week. It's really like... Yeah, that is... I don't think Tampa Bay travels very well. I think Tampa Bay plays well well. I don't even have to go anywhere. You're going to Carolina. It's like an hour. I'm not a big Josh Freeman believer. I'm sorry. Okay, here's a fine burner of a game. The last one o'clock game. Looks like we have a few more four o'clock this week. No, we only have three still. We have three. Motherfucking NFL. Fucking terrible terrible terrible and also I hate that totally terrible. It's really stupid Well, it's because they're taking they're taking the knife and really very good ones even Stupid. No one of those good which one you let it indeed. That's a good game. Not really Houston's home. They're playing Jacksonville at home. They're given 15 and a half I just I have a rule I don't take I know you don't but I'm not I'll take the favorite No, I'll lay the 15 and a half. They're gonna kill them They're gonna kill them, but they are not gonna kill my 15 that why that's just not Jacksonville just lost by 17 to Indy yeah, you sitting at home. That was in Jacksonville That doesn't happen. Jacksonville has no home team presence, are you kidding me? Jake: They have no fans. So you think they're better on the road? I just think that, yeah, there's some teams that actually, they don't, having their fans not around them and yell at them and tell them how shitty they are, they actually play better. The Giants are like that usually. A little bit, so I just don't like 15 and a half. I mean, it's two touchdowns, more than two touchdowns. I could totally see them coming back. Justin: I don't know, give me Jacksonville. You take them. New Orleans is on the road. They're facing Oakland. end. New Orleans favored by five. That's a weird line. It is a weird line. I'm not sure what to think about that. So weird right now. New Orleans is like coming around. Makes my pee pee hurt. That's called something else. New Orleans is a weird line five. I don't know what to do here. Just pick. I'm gonna pick Oakland. I'll pick Oakland too.

36:01 Justin: Go ahead. Keep going. Denver's hosting San Diego. Remember the last time they played Sunday Night Game? San Diego's up 24-0, lost 34-24. Yes. That was fun. I'll take Denver at home. Jake: Yeah, I don't think that'll happen again. I'll actually take San Diego. Not to win, but to cover. Justin: Alright. Uh, Baltimore is heading to Pittsburgh. So now we go into our Sunday Night Games, or night games. I don't know why I don't get this line. These are two good games. Finally, I feel, last week I had two good games, right? Didn't we have two good games last week? I feel like they did. This week we have two good games. No, we did not have a good Monday Night Game. A Monday Night, well no, it turned out to be a decent game. But it wasn't really a good game. It was really ugly. This one is, these are good. Like this. Yeah, these are good except... It's just fun. A little tainted by injury. Both games. Yeah. Both games are a little tainted by the injury. Like Last Man Standing. Baltimore's going to Pittsburgh. Who are we rooting for at this point? Rooting for Baltimore? Baltimore, yeah. Sure? Just to win it out and get rid of Pittsburgh. With the injuries to Pittsburgh, just get rid of them. Get rid of them. Paul Malo, Ralthus Berger, get them out of there. Baltimore's favored by 3 and 1.5, and I think that line's too low. I mean, Byron Leifwich. Really? Pittsburgh at home. Jake: Aaron Leflage? Baltimore no good. No good on the road. This is just a, this is, I don't care what the score is on either side. I'm gonna take Baltimore. I'll take Pittsburgh. These two teams are two of the, I've been to both these stadiums at night and watched games there. Justin: I don't wanna- Did you see what happened to that Pittsburgh crowd on Monday night? They were gone. They were like, it was half the stadium. Really? Yeah, they left! Well, whatever. I don't know, I just... And they gave up a freaking tying drive to Kansas City at the end of the game. What is that? Jake: Plus it says swung by minus three and a half to three and a half. Justin: This is a huge swing. Yeah, huge swing. As a matter of fact... It's kind of funny because, um, I mean, it's that's a seven point in our other in our other like pool that we play in Yeah, the line stayed at the other way. Yeah Oh, yeah, and I was all over Baltimore. Yeah Um, yeah, so don't take Bistburg. Uh, and this other game's off. So San Francisco's hosting Chicago It's off because both starting quarterbacks have concussions. I don't think either one's gonna play it. So then you got next man standing. I don't think so now I'm picking Chicago because I'm sticking with my guns with Chicago and I don't... here's the reason. I feel like Chicago can run their offense with Jason Campbell. Professional quarterback, starting quarterback. Yeah. They can run their offense. They don't have to change anything, okay? San Francisco, they're playing Colin Kaepernick, which is basically the equivalent of playing Tim Tebow at quarterback, so they can't do necessarily all the things that they would normally do on offense. And the strength of Kaepernick is running,

39:01 Justin: and Chicago on defense is good enough to shut that shit down. Jake: Yeah, I actually, I'm gonna pick Sam's Cisco. Sam's Cisco is actually favored by my, sorry, is underdog by five and a half in the other one. Where? Oh really? So, I feel like I'm getting five and a half free points here. Justin: At home, but you're not. It's actually the other way around. No, I'm getting five and a half points. They're not getting five and a half points. They're supposed to lose by... You're thinking of it opposite Mean Chicago's five and a half points better. Yeah, so the I still think your logic is actually completely wrong Jake: No, I think I stick to your wrong logic. I think Sam's just gonna win the game So if you're gonna give me you know me oh, oh I'm taking some I'm gonna take the home team And I think you're the other thing of Kaepernick. You're just no no you're just back it Justin: Yeah, since I'm leaving you by five points I can back my truck up back it up Jake: Here's the here's why low score but here did Kaepernick actually plays in this off he does play so I feel it's all trick Justin: But I but hey people get to the playoffs playing trick plays and I think this guy Chicago's D is different Jake: I don't know. I feel like they can get tricked. So I'm gonna give it to him I think it'll be crazy game to watch And I agree that Campbell has more of an ability, but I feel like they're more comfortable running with Kaepernick because he's been there doing this stuff. And so it's like, it's less of a change. They don't have to change anything. He's been there. And again, I don't think Alex Smith was lighting anybody up. He was playing with a great D and a good run game and making a good play. Justin: He's competent though. Yeah, well, I think Kaepernick is competent. in. I don't know if he's competent. All right, let's move on. Let's get the XEs, because we got a few minutes to go. So we got the first game is tonight, Thursday night. Buffalo. Buffalo's home. Let's go, Buffalo. They're hosting Miami. I agree. Let's go, Buffalo. The line is two. Buffalo's favored by two. Okay, and I got Buffalo winning 21-13. Jake: Yeah, I mean Miami just got trounced last week by the running game, by a lot of running back that most people thought was sort of dead. I don't know, Buffalo's got two good running backs. Oh, is Fred Jackson playing? No, it's just a pillar, right? Fred Jackson's out. I think he's out. Oh, he's out. He's got concussions. Justin: Yeah. Cussions. But I think Spiller's good enough. You know what's fucked up about the NFL and these concussions? Guys come back. Like a week. Yeah, baseball players get concussions and they miss like three months. Yeah, whatever. Hockey players get concussions, they miss the whole season. They shouldn't miss a day. They should get right back in there. Hockey players. Football players just come back after like four days. Yeah, they're fine. I just don't believe in Jake: Miami's ability to go to Buffalo in the cold of November It's gonna be cold and I feel like Buffalo has I don't know I just feel like this is their game to win and they're gonna win it and I don't feel like Miami's gonna I don't feel like Miami's show for this game 27 23. Tanny Hill. They're gonna be drunk as fuck

42:03 Justin: Oh, I'm crazy. You're gonna drunk and crazy Alright, next game, Indie is traveling to New England. There is a line on this game, is there not? There certainly is. New England is favored by nine and a half, and that has not wavered. Nope. I like New England, I like them to win 30. And cover, 34-21. one. Yeah, we can run they're gonna be able to run on India and then once they get their running game that play action is gonna start working Luck is good Jake: Not better than Brady though. Yeah, I mean, this is the same team that went up against Packers Justin: Remember, I know but they just I mean they've lost games too. Yeah. No, they're not they did lose to us I didn't score it, you know, they didn't score a touchdown against us. We can we have scored touchdown like Four quarter you've done 30 to 9 ridiculous 26 32 New England I agree New England's gonna win you don't like them to cover though I don't like the cover. I didn't I just probably if you look at your picks probably pick New England. No, I didn't I picked indie so you fucked that up all all the time, but that's why I'm doing better than you Jake: Cause I fucked it up. Justin: That's true. Jake: Hahahaha. Cause what I write here is no, I go there and I pay attention here, I just write some numbers. Justin: Alright, so now we got a game here, one o'clock. I'm gonna pronounce for the universe, for the world, that um, I will be T-vowing this game. Oh, you suck. You suck at life. So, turning off the cell phone... Oh, I'll be texting every touchdown. Doesn't matter. Mark says touchdown. Cell phone will be off. Jake: I'll text. safe. I'll text your little lady. Justin: Cell phone to be off. I'll text your little lady. Trust me, her phone will be off too. Where are you guys gonna be? We are going to see a show on Broadway. Jake: Can you just fucking take out your man card if you have it with you and give it to me right now? Because you're saying that you're not gonna watch football on Sunday. Justin: We're seeing, whoa, wait, wait. It better be football. It's actually pretty cool. It's for the little lady's mom's birthday. Mom and La's birthday. We're going to see Glengarry Glen Ross with Al Pacino on Broadway. And we got good seats. Al Pacino on Broadway, come on. Jake: But he's also on the other nine times they play it during the week, which is they play it- Yeah, they got the Sunday tickets and this, hey look, I got invited. You have no respect in your family because no- No family member of mine ever in his life or world would ever do anything on Sunday. I was free to say no. Oh yeah. And I said yes. No. No, I do not go anywhere on Sunday. No, you can take those tickets. You can eat those tickets. I'm going. Justin: And I'm going to earn some points because I'll be able to watch the Nick game tonight. No problems. There's football on tonight. Yeah, I'm gonna be flipping between my five and no nicks Hey, the nicks are saving my life right now. I know these pathetic jets. All right, give me keys the castle make it Oh fuck. All right, so this is a weird game. We playing Schottenheimer

45:05 Justin: Playing the shoddy by the way You look back now, kind of want to have some shoddy back, don't you? No. No? No, I just want a different guy. We hired the wrong- we made a bad choice! You know who would have been a great choice? Bruce Arians. Anybody. Bruce Arians would have been a great choice. This microphone. Like why didn't they- you know what I- T-Lo, I'm really- Chad Pennington. I'm at the point now, I really hate this but- I want to... Oh, you keep talking, I'm gonna go grab my Diet Coke. Oh, alright. Uh, I want to actually... I- I- I hate that I'm saying this. I think Rex Ryan should be fired. Really? I do. He's- he's made some bad choices. He's had... He's not keeping the locker room together. Jake: So you would fire Rex Ryan, but you wouldn't, you would keep Rex Sanchez? Justin: Yeah, I'd fire him all, and then I'd bring in, I would really make a hard run at John Gruden. I think he's ready to come back and coach. Yeah, but he only wants to go Eagles. He's gonna go Eagles. Jake: Why would he go, why would he only want to go to the Eagles? Because that's the deal made for him. That's where he wants to go. He used to be a coordinator there, that's where he's going. Justin: John Gruden was not a coordinator for the Eagles. I think he was. Yeah, he was. I wasn't. I think so. You worked with Andy Reed in San Francisco. Just saying keep going. Whatever. So Jake: So you actually want them to lose? I want because they lose out. Listen if they win out they win like six seven games or whatever Justin: We have them. I just want Sproun of fire. I don't care. He should have been fired two weeks ago. I just want him fired Now here's the thing, playing shoddy Both teams have an advantage. I mean Rex knows shoddy real well. Yep, but shoddy knows rex real well, right? So It'll be interesting to see and nobody knows sanchez better than shoddy That's true. It'll be interesting to see what kind of insight he gives jeff fischer on picks how to how to attack him Wait for him to throw a pick in the end. It kind of almost doesn't even matter because The receivers aren't never open or whatever. It doesn't even matter um Keys to the castle There's so many sit Tebow sit him down and he comes in if Marc Sanchez dies Jake: Other than that he sits on the fucking any box punts or whatever he goes in the pun package other than that Just don't even want him on that path. No just gonna have a game Let's let's just have a good old normal fashion game and you know what the crazy thing will happen He'll actually do okay. And I think he can do okay if you just give him a fucking game. Give him the rhythm, let him stay in the pocket. That same back and forth bullshit where it's like, oh no, you're on the field. No, no, you. Wait, wait, my way. No, just go. Get him out there. Let him run the fucking thing. I swear to you. Or reverse scores. Put Sanchez on the bench and put Tebow out there and let him... I've said this for weeks. Let him have a series. I don't care. Go to the first series. Just give him a series.

48:03 Jake: Say, Sanchez, you sit here and have some water, have a hot dog. Go. Tebow, you're serious. You can either score a touchdown or punt. But you'd go until you're done. Either way, let one quarterback be a quarterback for a series. Justin: Alright, so... That's my key, the cash. So here's the... So the key really to stopping St. Louis is in, uh, Amendola. Because Bradford is not that good either. Nope. And his favorite target, seemingly the only target is Danny Amandoli. Right. Which is like 10 balls a game. So the Jets are in trouble because they lost their slot corner to season ending knee surgery toward MCL and meniscus. The Jets? Yeah. Okay. So is it Trufant? It's Trufant. Lost another corner. Yeah, where did I miss this during those during the Seattle game or even before the Seattle game Jesus card is me All right, so that's why I can't I can't remember. It's true font or someone else Whoever I always get the two guys confused, but that's the guy who got burnt in the slot by Sidney rice That guy's gonna end up covering Amundola, that's trouble. Really? Why wouldn't they put, because Amundola lurks in the slot, like Westwell there. So maybe they move Wilson inside, and then they put someone else outside, and then you're trouble there too. They're in trouble there in the corner, at the cornerback position, so I would say the key is... Try and get them into third and long situations and don't let them past having to hold them. Jake: And it's funny because the running game hasn't been very great, but last week all of a sudden Stephen Jackson had this breakout game and it looks like beast mode again. So now you go off one point like two weeks ago I said their running game is not very good. Now it's like oh well he's looking he's not looking bad. Justin: You know Sean Armour likes to run the ball. Yeah no. And so does Jeff Fisher. We don't like to run the ball. No, we're not good at it apparently. I don't care. I still, I was winning this game. 16 to 10. Yeah, I'll give it a very similar score. I have 17 to 9. You don't think they're gonna score a touchdown? Jake: I don't think, I think we could actually honestly, the way we played, if you played the first half against Seattle. Don't be honest. Okay. If you played against the first way you played against Seattle, we could keep this team from doing much. I don't know. I just don't believe in this. I don't believe in this team. The Rams very much. I'm not sure how much I believe in the Jets at this point. I'd love to have them show up and show me something, you know? Essentially what I'm saying is I'd like to have them show up and be the team that I've always wanted them to be. The consistent team, but I just don't have high hopes. This is one of those games that's gonna kind of watch like through my fingers and just be like, oh geez. Oh, here we go. You know what's gonna happen? They're gonna get my hopes up. Oh yeah, for sure. And then they're gonna trounce them. So anyway, but they're gonna do it whether I watch or not Justin: But I will watch cuz I'm a football fan. I'm oh, I'm totally watching. I'm just gonna be watching it

51:03 Jake: I'm gonna put a sign down there. I'm gonna put a sign on your door with the final score. Don't I'll Fucking kill you. You know what? I'm gonna do it and then you're gonna have to watch the whole game to see if I was actually the final score or not It could be totally wrong I'll literally fucking a I-I'm literally fucking kill you. and I'm gonna do that actually gonna put three final scores you're gonna figure out which one's the real one I'll literally kill you. Yeah, my door will be locked. All right until next week. We'll be back Don't have a lot of time to talk about anything else. We love you very much guys. Have a good one I don't know what to say. Well, we say we always say from Jake and Justin here here in the podcasting studio checking the podcast and as always, Go Jets!