Enter McElroy
December 3, 2012 · 53:45 · A win over the Cardinals that did not feel like a win, Greg McElroy's debut, and the end of an era at quarterback.
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Opening
Onan! What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and they have a lamentation of their women.
Transcript
Machine transcript generated in 2026 by Grok Bot from the episode audio (Whisper small.en + sherpa-onnx speaker diarization). Speakers labeled Opening / Jake / Justin. Timestamps about every three minutes. Diarization note: HOST_LOCK: after Opening, host/welcome voice = Jake; other = Justin; host-welcome cluster=0 @ 25.0s → Jake; other-primary cluster=1 → Justin; intro-self-ID Jake confirms host; Jason-ref Jake cluster 0 sim=0.74.
00:09 Jake: The best place to be is when expectations are high. Get used to it. It's always going to be that way. Get away! Welcome to the Jack Keenan podcast. running New York Jets podcast ever. Although sometimes it feels like we should just give it up. My name is Jake and joining me on the other side of the digital nothingness land of total discontent. Season's gonna rise. End of a four year era. Justin, Justin, how are you doing today, buddy? Great, we won a football game. We're on our way to 9 and 7. It's happened once before the season I don't remember what game it was, but that we won the game and I felt still felt like shit winning the game I don't remember which game was I could probably think probably the Miami one. Maybe Miami Although that's you keep saying we lost that game basically lost that so now we're out of the one I don't feel like we've won this game. Well, we did But Ryan Lillie, thank for that one. Yeah, we're not. He's terrible. He makes everybody on our team look like superstars, MVPs. So let's talk about the game. So we won, so we're doing Monday Podcasts. Justin: Although our starting quarterback had a worse QB rating, believe it or not, than Ryan Lillie. Jake: Oh, I completely believe it. But we won the Magic Stat. Okay, well, we're gonna go over the game, talk about some little news that came out, and then it's a Monday podcast that means we won, so let's take at least 30 seconds to congratulate ourselves on winning a 7-6 match against probably one of the worst teams in football. Justin: You know what's funny? What? We're sitting there and in the first quarter, Yep. my dad and his buddy are watching the game together, and his buddy sends me a text. He goes... What's the over-under on this game? And I respond back, 12. He's laughing, it was funny because it was 00, and uh, it ended up being 13. Jake: He was like, I'll take the under. I was like, you might be right. I will say, and we did not predict this because he looked at our scores the way we predicted it. We thought we were going to score. We thought we were actually going to score. But we knew that we would shut them down. A couple questions. Do you at any moment feel, and this is a strange phenomenon, like even no matter how bad the game was going, I never felt we could lose this game. I literally just not in a moment where we could lose a game. Justin: I thought we were winning the entire time. Even when we were losing at halftime three nothing, I was like, yeah, whatever. That's the last points they're going to score. We'll have to score at least... Some field goals or we already missed two field goals like we right we should be winning six three Yeah, I never really even felt like we were losing the game, you know, we didn't even score till the fourth quarter
03:02 Jake: So let's throw out some numbers here your boy Ryan Lindley Probably one of the worst stat we give this way at 58 58 okay, we had 43 rushes yes, and we have 15 completions yay Justin: 43 rushes is a lot. We ran the ball really well. Let's talk about pauses. Let's talk pauses Then we'll get to the man. We ran really well. We did you know a lot of people were like whoa What happened to Sean Green and it was very deceiving But Sean Green ladies and gentlemen ran the ball two times as much as Blau Powell did Like you know I watched the postgame thing and they're like Well, Blah Pow came in and it looked like... He started. I feel like they put him in the first play. Well, he was playing entire series. Right. But it was like, yeah, well, Strong Green ran the ball 24 times and did a lot of the heavy lifting there. Jake: Here's the thing. It would be a great idea if this is... if this was like the post-season workup. It's like, we're just gonna split time with these guys to keep them both sort of fresh because... In the first two seasons, when Sean Green did well in the postseason, remember he was a game changer in the postseason. He was, rulings. He was the closer. He basically didn't take the reps all season. He's kind of like they brought him in towards the end of the year and got him going. It feels like what they're doing. It's like, we're just going to keep someone else there and give someone else time. As long as it's not, what's his name? Justin: Khalil Bell. Yeah. He touched the ball one time and he fumbled. Hold. He's that good. He caught a ball and he just fumbled it. Jake: Yeah, so Sean Green had twice the... Twice the carries. 24 to 24, 104 yards, 4.3 average. Should have been 105 in the touchdown. Justin: But he wisely just ended the game. That was wise. That was brilliant. I mean, I wasn't like brilliant or anything, but it was wise because there's no reason... to keep the game going. Jake: It was brilliant because I was also going up against him in fantasy. It was a little bit like it was like a double win for me. It was like, oh, my God, there you go. Oh, you're so smart. Thank you so much for not putting up another seven. They didn't need it. Justin: No, they would have been up by eight. And then you just never know. Right. They weren't going anywhere, but you still never know. It's you just end the game. Jake: I guess it's the I guess it's the you know, that the Seattle was at Seattle. They took the. Or was it 49ers? 49ers. 49ers. Yeah, no, no, no. The one where they, they, they declined the penalty. Oh yeah, the Niners did that. Declined the penalty. To take the fourth down to get the ball back. Yeah, just to end the game. Versus the game, versus getting the two point penalty. Justin: Which would have also ended the game too. Like this wouldn't have ended the game. They would have gotten the ball back with like a minute and a half down eight. They could have scored. They could have kicked, run the kickoff. They could have ran the kick back. On other positives, Stephen Hill actually caught five balls. He didn't even drop. He caught five balls.
06:03 Jake: defense showed up the up like 137 yards and Justin: of them were on a fake punt. Which means under 100 yards. Which again for 15 on 3rd down. Jake: They made a Like in times of no we were laughing we were like oh man. Yeah, that's bad. That's really bad You're bad and you make us look better So jets win. All right on the next week That's it. That's it. That's all that happened. I'm not talking about anything else. That's all that happened. So well, I mean This is the Monday podcast. Okay. I know but this but we saw this well fine But we saw this coming basically we all predicted this but we didn't pretty with this would happen. So Post-season or preseason we all sat around and said, at some point in the season if, Mark Sandro Mark Sanchez struggles, they're gonna put in the backup Right? Right. And actually, sorry, we said the crowd will go insane. They'll be chanting for the backup. They'll be booing Mark Sanchez. Mark Sanchez will come out and I don't know, throw like three picks in the game and they'll put in the backup. Right. Of course, we never said the backup. We said Tim Tebow. Right. Right. But guess what? They were chanting for McElroy. That wasn't Timo yesterday? That wasn't Timo. I thought that was Timo. So we literally put in we bench Mark Sanchez in the third quarter Which I thought was a little Justin: happening. They weren't going anywhere. All this rushing that happened, it happened after. There's a huge spark. I mean the first defensive play after they pulled him, they punted the ball, but the crowd's going nuts. They saw McElroy. They saw Sanchez walked over, took his helmet off, he walked over to Rex. They saw McElroy put his helmet on, he's throwing on the sideline. Yep, fans. Everyone's going crazy, they punt the ball away. The first play was like a 15-yard sack. Right. It was as if... Someone lit a fire under the entire team. It was like that's what they needed They just needed a little change a little something and it was as if Rex sort of sends a message to everybody like alright. I just benched my boy Which means your ass will be benched too, right mister Whoever the hell you are. Mr. Everybody bar Scott. Everybody else. He was the one who got the sack. Yeah. So, so do something because this is unacceptable.
09:03 Justin: This team is terrible that we're playing. Right. And we can't score against them. And we... Jake: Kerry Rhodes must have had a fun night. You know, he was having a good time. I mean, this is a guy that Rex Ryan literally called out for being soft and couldn't tackle. Called him Hollywood. Called him Hollywood. Which he was. What was his nickname was Hollywood? It was Hollywood. But literally his nickname when he played for the Jets like his name was Hollywood because he was always doing movie star shit or whatever Great game. So question question for you. Yeah, I got the answer. I hope it's the question I want no No, I'm gonna ask a couple we're gonna get to that question. Oh, I want that one. No I'm ready for it. No, because I'm gonna break it down a couple different areas. Give me all the questions you got bitch should Was it right to sit Sanchez during that game? Yes. Should he have done it earlier? No, he did it the right time. He did it the right time. Okay. Justin: He gave him as long a hook or as long as much string, rope, whatever. To hang himself. He let him come back out in second half and redeem like... compose, get your shit together, and he could not lead a drive. Whether it was him, guys were dropping the ball, he made bad picks, he made bad reads, he made bad throws, he was getting sacked, he was getting balls knocked down, batted down, not finding throwing lanes. He gave him every chance in the world. That's all you can ask. I mean, I thought Rex didn't a solid. I thought he did him right He gave him every chance in the world But we needed to win the game and Rex did what he had to do to win the game So yeah, I think he did. I mean some people say why didn't he do a halftime? Well, right cuz we're We still we weren't giving up any points. Right? We all we needed was a touchdown and the game was gonna be over I mean really we missed two field goals. This game should have actually, he wouldn't have even probably pulled him if we were winning 6-3. Jake: So here's the number that, you know, here's the number that... Give me more questions. Well, I'm, well, hold on. I have so many opinions today. Yeah, I know. Um, so here's his, here's his season so far. Yeah. So he's now flip-flopped. He's got the worst percentage the worst ratio you can have the one they had in his first year which was TD versus interception He's like 12 12 to 13 now because he pushed three yesterday. First play. The first play. And again, when I look at those plays, I have not actually gone back and looked at them. I was there. I watched them in real time. The thing I said last podcast was, I just worry about this guy's making decision making. It's not power. It's not arm strength. It's not anything. It's down to decision making. And that's the thing that you want to see on the up, not on the down. And he and I ask you. So now my second question. Has Mark Sanchez decision making gotten worse? No. Really? Justin: No. I mean, I haven't say that. Well, because you don't you see it on the field. No, I mean, his decision making hasn't gotten worse.
12:01 Justin: I think they've asked him to make more decisions. Well isn't that more, isn't that different? Jake: Yes he's a fourth year quarterback. Justin: He should be making more decisions than he's making them worse than he ever was. No, he was not a very good quarterback his rookie season. How many touchdowns? Twelve. How many interceptions? Right. So he had five in one game though. Okay so he had three in one game this year. So I mean Drew Brees had five, Matt Ryan had five. Guys have five. Yeah. I thought they were just saying, kick gloves are off man. Like now you have to do more so when you do more and you haven't actually gotten better, you're just doing more worse. Alright, so let's move on. I don't think he's gotten any worse as a decision maker. I'll say the first pick was the decision. That's a bad throw. That was more of a bad throw. That was more of a bad thing. It was just a bad throw. And the third one was just a... F, fucking awesome play by a fucking awesome player. I mean Peterson, or yeah, Peterson 21, he's great. He just made a great play against Chad Shillings. So like Chad Shillings went long and the fight for the ball and the better player caught it and that was that. Jake: So let's go back and let's talk about McElroy before we get to the bait that we're going to get into. If we get into the bait well. I don't even know if we're going to beat the bait. We might. We might. night. I am I am average size guy 6'2, 224, so a little big, but 6'2, so he's a big guy. His knock has been arm strength. He's a smart guy, no arm strength. Sounds familiar. Yeah, no, he's like a Chad Pennington like clone. He's very smart, but he cannot they They literally said in his draft Darcier, he cannot make every throw on the field. Right. So immediately after reading that I was like, oh, okay now interesting enough I hadn't read I'd read that after I heard Rex's comments I guess last week Justin: Or two weeks ago. It was just the other day. Just yesterday. He was talking about how his arm strength improved, right? He said he's gotten better over the time, right? So he's and in his own postgame interview. They asked him about that five minutes ago that he's never seen a players arm strength improved so much over one season over an off season he's obviously trying to pump him up right did he say well yeah well he he was um he was on the ir all last year with the thumb so he had to do the thumb and exercise things, which he said was like... part of it. He's like a lot of your throwing strength comes from your core and you just
15:00 Justin: work that arm. And whatever. Okay fine. I think that was Rex pumping him up a little bit. Jake: A little nod to the cable. A little love. So we didn't see a lot of Greg. Greg, you've watched him in preseason. We have. Well this preseason, last preseason, you got hurt. And I'll say the one thing that we know about him that I, you know, remembering yesterday when he hit the ground was, he was also the guy who kind of tore apart the Jets locker room sitting in California after the season was over, and for a backup on IR, third string quarterback, we all went, really? I really thought they should have caught him. Just for that. So guess what? He comes in, he starts the game, he goes... I feel like he could have been anyone. Oh really? Yeah. So literally anybody. Anyone. So you think it could have been T-Bo? T-Bo could have done the exact same thing. Oh yeah. Or better. Same thing. So I mean they really just ran the ball. They just got pumped and just started running the ball. He went five for seven. Justin: For 29 yards. For 29 yards. It's nothing. Yeah, no, he literally... He had a one-yard touchdown throw where he could have ran it. But he could have ran it but he threw it. But he threw it instead. It was a run option. Jake: Thoughts on Greg. Just as as what you saw. Greatest quarterback ever or great. Justin: He was just a good spark plug. It was exactly what they needed. They needed some. They needed. ABS. Anybody with Sanchez, that's all they needed or Sancho. Anybody but Sancho is really all they needed yesterday in the third quarter. So Greg Maguros started that game. I'm not sure it would have been any different than if you were to just combine their two numbers together Jake: Do you think Greg McElroy could throw in three interceptions? Sure, Ryan Lindley threw one. I mean he I mean well Lindley didn't even throw as many interceptions as he threw one against our vaunted viewers. I feel like Justin: You know saying Greg I've seen too many of these like glen foley's brownie niggles to say Greg McElroy's the next New York Jets starting quarterback for the next five years. Okay. I just know better. Jake: So, let's go. Let's pick our Knights and our Fools for the game. Okay. Or sorry, our Knights, because we won. We won. We won. It feels like. Pick a Knight. And play the game, right? Pick a Knight. Oh yeah, but yeah. Justin: Pick a Knight. We get to pick a play. And a play. Gosh, the defense played really, really, really well. I kind of want to pick the whole thing. I'm going to just go ahead and pick Crow. I mean, I know the quarterback sucked, but anytime Fitzgerald catches the ball once, you're going against Larry Fitzgerald. Quarterback aside, he's kind of one of the best in the league. Jake: If you're going against a quarterback who literally is asleep. Justin: This guy was really bad. Yeah, it was really bad. But Kros stuck with him the whole game. Had a pass defense, could have had an interception, just outplayed Fitzgerald from basically that
18:08 Justin: first series on. And I just want to pick someone from the defense. There's a bunch of guys that played really well. So you could call out a bunch of guys. The line played really well. Yep. Landry played really well, but I'm going to just pick Cromartie. Yeah, I mean, I had the big the big pick. He's also just a beast. We're going to have a decision on our hands next year. Yeah. We're going to actually pay him. Yep. Jake: We're not paying him anything. That's good. We're making him prove. So you play the game? Justin: Umm... It was that sack after Sanchez got pulled. The defense play. But Bart Scott comes right through. I think it was Bart Scott, at least. Yeah, he comes right through for like an 8 yard sack. Right... the first play after Sanchez just got pulled and there was a huge buzz in the crowd. It was crazy. Crowds going nuts for nothing and then boom sack and it's like, fucking a we're going to win. Jake: We're going to maybe win. Yeah. Um, yeah, my this is going to sound really strange, but I'm picking Mark Sanchez as my no, not. I'm picking I'm picking racks. Because I feel like this is the thing that he's been dreading for Oh, he did not want to do this at all. He did not. And it took balls to do it. He could have stuck it out. And I think you're right. If Sanchez had stayed, he probably could have thrown that touchdown. I mean, if it's just exact same play, he could have thrown that exact same touchdown. Justin: Well, they ran a different offense. They put this guy in a different position than they put... Jake: Sanchez in well, I'm saying I'm saying that If you would kept Sanchez he might have thrown another pick and he might have just gotten destroyed But I still think he could have gotten a touchdown at some point during the fourth quarter And and I think our defense to word played as well because that mainly was just not gonna play Well, so I give it this I give it to because this is As much as, you know, we got hurt, we'll talk about it in a second, we got hurt by the whole, you know, basically everybody we need to lose one. Late was just... It was horrible. It was fourth quarter garbage bullshit the whole day. So, you know, our playoff chances went from, you know, higher to lower yesterday during the late games. But, you know, looking at the one o'clock, he was saying, listen, we still have a shot. I need to win this game, though. We don't win this game and there really is no shot. You're not getting it at eight and eight. So he went, all right, fine. I'm going to make the choice. And I give him that. I will say the play of the game is really that pick by Landry. Again, it was just sort of it was just another momentum changer. It's just awesome being in there where it was big sort of momentum changing picks. I'll give it to Landry for the pick. But Rex Ryan, you know, that's the balls, but now he's got now he's got a worst. He's got the work
21:00 Jake: He's got actually got a triple bad situation, which I think we should get into right now, which is now going question Wait, hold on. I'm gonna set the stage. Give me the goddamn question Cuz I got a good well, I'm gonna give you some information that maybe you don't know on information Tim Tebow I don't want information was cleared by doctors to play was he now. Yeah, this is information you didn't have I didn't have that two minutes ago. That's why I'm giving it to you to let the little brain start to chuckle. Alright, go ahead. So, he was cleared before the game. Mm-hmm. So, they said, no, we're not going to dress him. So, Tim Tebow was not dressed yesterday. Everybody understood. Everyone knew that. I think you didn't know that when we walked in, but I told you. I didn't know when we walked in, but then I saw him on the sideline, not with... Yeah, so Tim Tebow was not dressed. So, he was cleared to play, did not dress. So, now... When was he cleared? That's the end of the video. I'll see you next time. It was like you that day or the day before practice all we know he didn't all that's probably why I know I'm saying It was I don't think it's conspiracies theory Although again, it truly shows how bad this quarterback and court is and and the management of it. Well, there's certainly Justin: Conspiracy theory written all over it. Oh, so the game you do decide to pull him not the 34 nothing games or the 45 19 game, right? Jake: But the three nothing game? The one that you could actually win. If you wanted to make a theory to say that Rex Ryan doesn't like Tim Tebow, you could easily say that. Oh, you could make that statement today. But now, but here's the thing. Now we have a real problem. And I'm going to give you the scenario. So I'm going to put it all out there. Well, I already have the answer in my head. Justin: Get to the answer. I want to talk about all the pieces of it. I want the pieces of it. Jake: All right, go ahead. Four more games to play. Looks like a pretty easy schedule. We go on the road for two, we come back for one, then we have the last one against the Bills. So it's three on the road, one away. That's factor one. Factor two, we're going down to the heart of Tim Tebow. Jacksonville, baby. Jacksonville against. Where he is God. But against a team that also has played very inconsistent. But okay, they kept Houston in line. I mean, they've done some good things. Justin: It's overtime against Houston. Jake: Right. So. Justin: Buffalo just beat the crap out of them, which I did not see coming. Jake: So we have that. We have Sanchez. So, and then let's go to the Sanchez situation. We have a guy who we've invested a ton of money. He's owed over $8 million for next year. Play or not play. If we cut them, we still owe them $8 million. Yeah, it's like a San Antonio home situation. We owe, we owe, right. We have this guy. Bad contract. And, well, he's redone it like twice to lower it. So I feel like it's every time they just keep punting the ball, well, now you've punted it enough, and now you're gonna have to make, you're gonna have to make hay with it. So, we basically have three quarterbacks. going into this Jacksonville game. Right. Right. And we have to make and you so now I'm going to give you the thing. I'm going to have you put on at least four pounds. You're now Rex Ryan. Sorry. That was four pounds. Rex. Really? That's what I'm saying. That's funny. All right. Yeah. And I'm going to make and he has to probably. The other thing is you gotta make it you got a name of starter because that guy's got to get reps
24:02 Jake: We don't have to name a starter. Well one guy in practice needs to get reps, right? But you don't have to name you probably don't have to name it But if you want someone to win you need to give that guy sure. Yeah, right So the press will figure it out They get to watch practices. They get to watch the media section and then they close it down. So whatever. So you're Rex Ryan. Yup. Sweet. I'm Rex. You're Rex. Not here to kiss your rings, bitch. Go get a snack. I already got it. I want you to give me your reasoning and then I want you to tell me after you give me reasoning who starts in Jacksonville. and then who starts going for the last four games. I want to tell you one thing too. I put up a poll on JetKingdom.com today. Justin: Really? On the actual website? You dusted it off? Jake: And I said who should finish out this 2012 season. Did people answer it? Yep. How many? 14 votes. That's kind of surprising people even go to that website. Why don't you put it on the Facebook page? I don't think you can put polls on the Facebook page. Okay, can you put polls on the Facebook page? Oh yeah, why not? Yeah, I didn't do it. That's where people go. Oh, whatever. I put it there, they came here, and they found that. So, give me a reason. I already have my answer. I know you have an answer, but I want to hear your reasoning and then your answer. Or your answer, then your reasoning. I don't care. for the next video. We'll see you next time. So we're assuming everyone's healthy, yes? Yeah, everybody's healthy. Tim Tebow's your starter. For now? For now. And the rest of the season. Until he loses. Until he loses. Correct. Okay, so he went... okay. So that's an interesting scenario. Tell me why. Well, this is the game. Justin: Oh sounds this is this is the game that was God by the way Tim Tebow being like thank you that was clearly Tebow ah this is the this is the one game if you were gonna start if you were to ask me in the beginning of the year which would be the game that you would take over and actually say this one no you didn't you Jake: said it was like the sixth game of the year no I say this one Because this is where the schedule gets... I didn't actually say that, but... Justin: Well, I didn't think he would. I actually didn't think he would. Everybody on the planet thought it was... There was... Well, people thought it was gonna be... Yeah, like... But only if they were one and four. But they weren't. They were two and three. That's so much different now. Well, yeah. Well, it is. If they say T-Boe's gonna be the starter, they're gonna sell that place out and it's gonna be a Jet Home game. Why a jet home game though? Because everyone's gonna just be there cheering for Tim Tebow. Well that's a Tebow home game. That's not a jet home game. Jake: That's not a lot of people dressed in jet jerseys. That's like a guy. Justin: A lot of people standing there cheering for the Jets. Cheering for Tebow. What happened when Denver went to Miami and they decided to... You know, do the whole thing for the Florida fine turns into a home game. How does that help us win a game? Jake: Well home games are better than road games. Okay crowd and gas them all that stuff Hey, they don't boo as much so the jet home game. So they're gonna boost and here's my zone sideline
27:01 Jake: Boom anyway, uh, I think it's t-bow time Justin: You brought him in here. You can't you you can't not Play him. I think if he was healthy yesterday enough to play Yesterday he would have went in the game, right? But he wasn't dressed but he wasn't dressed that would have been he would have he would have taken the reins yesterday I think it's too both time to play I Unfortunately feel like you will not see Mark Sanchez play another Unless both of them get hurt You won't see him this year. This year? It's over. Jake: For this year. Or... For this year. Rest of the seat... Rest of the seat... Well, another question. Yeah. Well, Mark says he has ever addressed and started as a starting quarterback for the New York Jets. It depends what happens then to this year. competition. And then bring in someone. No, the two, these two idiots go at it next year. Tebow and Sanchez again. By the way, if that happens, we can just write off next year as well. Well, it's Tebow is the problem. Well, I don't think Tebow's here next year. I honestly think no matter what happens. Justin: Well, then he's gone, then it's Sanchez and McElroy next year. I think it's Sanchez and McElroy and someone. And it's open. Whoever wins it wins it, and there's a short leash. But those are always problems too. That's what happened with Arizona this year. Yep, I, Jake: See that makes no sense to me because it doesn't yeah, but it means that you're just picking a guy because of some because of some Justin: Perception that it's not even perception. No, no perception that but it's not it's reality You want the best person to play on the field? That's a guy with the most fans in the stands. It's not that It's how they're gonna play. He's gonna play like a goddamn maniac in Jacksonville. Jake: But, okay, but now, okay, but now I think about the locker room. So you sat Sanchez. I get sitting Sanchez, but I can also make a very good argument that, listen, you either live or die by this guy, and you really need to win the games, you gotta put the best quarterback out there. And he is- It's lost, it's gone. But he is still the best quarterback. It's over. Fine, fine. So you sit him. But then you got to put the best quarterback, the second best quarterback. It's still not Tim Tebow. He's still not the second best quarterback on the team. Yeah, but he's... So if you want the chance to win this game... Justin: I think you can win with him. I don't think so, because you got to change the whole offense. They just have to run the ball like they did yesterday. That's not changing shit. They ran the ball 43 times. Just run the ball 50 times. Just run the ball 50 times. That's all they... what they do yesterday.
30:12 Justin: Play defense and fucking run the ball and T- it is. I mean, if you really like that Greg Mac Coryne is like Greg MacTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT dissects oss Jake: It didn't do any worse. By the way, he almost threw a pick. Justin: Well, he did throw a pick. There was a flag, which is fine. It wasn't a pick. I mean, the guy was definitely held. So that's why it was picked, right? But it's not only she went out there and all the sudden they won 35 to, to, you know, they scored 35 and a quarter. Okay. They didn't score 30. They scored seven points. Jake: All right, Rex, take off your hat. Take off your what? Now you're back to being Justin the Jet Fan. What do you want to happen to the rest of the season? Justin: I really like Marc Sanchez, it's really a shame. I'm really sad about it. Jake: I... Justin: I have four years of defending him, so... It does like I like you know I've had many an argument with family and friend even the off season when When we didn't go full throttle for Peyton Manning and it was like you know I never really thought he would come to the Jets anyway because of our kind of disfunction in persona. In persona, right. And I mean, I was like, no, why would you do that? You have a young quarterback who's gone deep in the playoffs and has never had a losing season and all the reasons and all this and all that and it's like, but dude he sucks. And it's like, well he doesn't suck. He got worse. He didn't get worse. Well, he did get worse. He's getting worse. And I feel bad. I feel bad for him. I like him. I like the player. I unfortunately, I root for the Jets, so I don't root for Mark Sanchez. I'm not going to be like they bench Sanchez, so I'm not. I'm not watching. I will root for whoever's out there. I have to suck it up if it's T-Bokes and not a used T-Bofam, but. Hey, he's the kind of guy that if you give him the shot, he takes it and runs with it and he proved it last year. I think he did. He really so proved it. All right, but let's go Jake: back to this question now because now we have I think here's the problem with that scenario. This locker room there's already been people in the locker room. I don't know if they've Justin: identified them or not. No, which means I don't believe it. Jake: Well, I don't actually believe those quotes. You don't think someone came out and said T's terrible? Justin: No, I don't believe unless someone... I... I... I don't... I do not believe in unnamed sourced information. Jake: It... It... Someone said it. If you make up something like that you could get. fired immediately from your job. There's no point to even make it up. You don't sell that many more newspapers by putting his totally terrible night on. Justin: Well you do. Yeah you do. You get the whole town, Jake: talking about it for a week. But now you're conspiracy theory again.
33:01 Jake: No. I don't believe it. I- I believe someone said it. But again, who said it and how important they were were to the team, could it have been, you know, rolling whatever or could it have been- What was the defensive player? Alright, so maybe it was. Uh, I'm trying to think if some just, you know. And the best guess is just that it was Bart Scott. Bart Scott, yeah. I mean, it was just the best guess I think. Bart. Bart Scott. It's also probably someone defending Mark Sanchez. Sure. Who likes him. Of course. And is his friend. And is like, fuck, I want this guy to be so I'm gonna say this other guy is terrible. Well, but okay, but here's the thing. Justin: How about you though? But you haven't even given any opinion of nothing. All you're doing is ripping me apart. What's your thought on this? Mr. I'm not ripping you apart. I'm just I'm just talking. What's your view? I'm here. Here's the thing. Who are you starting? Rex? Jake: I'm not Rex Ryan. Hey expressly. Hey Rex. Hey Tony Sperano. Who are you, starting? Oh, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go fire myself tomorrow. Hey Tony. I quit. Hey, Tony. I quit. Who are you starting? I quit. Oh, okay. Okay. Good. I quit. I like it. Yeah. Who are you starting? Now ask me. Oh, Tannenbo, I quit. Who are you starting? Rex, I'm staying for another four years. Who are you starting? I wanna ask a few questions of you now. Sure, sure, sure. Who are you starting this week? I'll honestly say I'm an- No, don't lie. Don't, I want you to lie. I am an a- Tony. I am in a tough, well, Tony coming eyes a lot. I'm in a tough, tough spot. Are you really wanting me to play a character, or do you want me to talk as a fan? Justin: Oh, just... I wasn't talking as Rex. I was talking... What I think is going to happen, I think Tim Tebow is going to start. Jake: But there's a thing between... There's a difference between what I think is going to happen and what I want to happen. I think you need to separate. For me, there's a big separation. I can tell you what I want to happen. You want to have what? What do you want to have? Justin: I want Mark Sanchez to continue to be our starting quarterback and win the rest of the games. But I don't think that that can happen and I don't think it will happen. But I think that's the point. You gotta make that separation. Well, I've made it. There. I want Mark. Not gonna happen. I think Tebow. That's what's gonna happen. So what do you think is gonna happen? Jake: I don't think... that... No, no, no. I didn't ask you what you don't think. I'm saying I don't think that Rex Ryan can save anything, either his job or his season or anything, if he turns around and gives a job right back to Marc Sanchez. I just don't think that that can happen. I think that he has to... There has to be something, there has to be a reason to give it back to him. And right now there is no reason, right? So I think you're right in that he's going to go with somebody else. Then it's a matter of, do I think that we should go with a backup quarterback who has quarterback skills or do I think we should go with a backup quarterback who has PR and athleticism skills? Right? And if you just want the game manager to come in there and let the defense- Justin: But he also has winning skills. Jake: Oh yes, he has winning skills. But I think that- He's got games. That offense was about- so it was macro and macro is undefeated. Well he hasn't started a game.
36:00 Jake: He hasn't started a game. I understand. No, it kills me because here's the thing. You haven't even named the name yet. It's lose-lose. It's lose-lose. Justin: Name the name. You can't. Just say. Jake: As much as I don't think he's gonna do it, I think Rex is gonna rip back to Sanchez. I think he's gonna get enough fired for it. Justin: You think that's what's gonna happen? I definitely think. Just go down with Mark. Yup. Jake: Short leash though? I think it'll be... Real short leash, right? Real short leash. And then T-Bill will come in. That's T-Bill, right? Yeah. So you think Malcro is out of the... Yeah, I think that's a one-game wonder. I just can't, I don't want to don't think it's the right decision but I just don't see how he's gonna, you can't devolve away from this guy and there's always pictures and videos of him after I'm talking to him patting his back on it's okay. It's okay. So that's what you think's gonna happen. I think that's gonna happen. It's gonna start saying it's shortly and what I want to have happen is him, I honestly think that you got too much invest in this guy, and I still am a believer, maybe I'm stupid, like whatever, maybe I'm stupid, but I'm still a believer that while this guy is having a colossal slump and has gotten worse this year and his decision making has been bad, I still feel like we're in a situation, we're in a, you know, there's enough on the table that I could make a very good argument to say that while Sanchez has regressed and is not as good as he was last year or whatever, that there are reasons enough for that to be. And it's not a Sanchez is just horrible situation, it's a listen, this team is just gone to pot. For more information on this product, please visit www.beadaholique.com to purchase beading supplies and to get design ideas! And part of it is because you created it. You created this thing and now it's gone out of hand and that's it. What I'd like to see is I'd love to see him come back, work himself into, you know, a great four games, play some good ball. It doesn't matter. Because the thing is, if Sanchez comes back and plays the best four games of his life, you know what they're going to say? You play it against shitty teams. You can't beat good teams anyway. And you still suck and your numbers still suck and it doesn't even matter. That's what I'm saying. This is a lose-lose. this. . This season was lost the minute they traded for Tebow. The season was over the minute they traded. I know it's kind of weird in this segment, but it just felt that way because you just felt, there's no way this can end well. Unless your scenario is the best scenario. As a jet fan, your scenario is the best scenario. Is the best scenario because what I want them to do, if you're going to clean house, fine. And get Tebow in there. He wins. We get in the... magically getting playoffs and he magically wins a game in Magicland and then everybody's happy and Then next year we have Tebow and Sanchez and all the coaches stay there Stay on and because everybody's happy because we made it and we made the right decision 10 of Bob made the right decision picking up Tebow Rex made the right decision for first for whatever him and Toronto stays on
39:00 Jake: Don't think they'll both be back They're not Yeah, I don't see was Odin almost nothing Sanchez. You have to pay. Yeah, I don't I don't know if they're gonna bring them both back Justin: If this whole run this thing happens Jake: Like I mean, I really been many times with the guy does well like I feel like they're gonna be back again They're gonna go with Tebow next year This year this year you what happens well that's kind of fun as a Jeff fan I can also because I'm one of those crazy people I can also go fuck it You know what this season is toast we we all know it's toast we all think that there's this but it's toast We have a toast season so let's fucking see it Justin: Well, let's go on our two-girl jersey there's another reason why it kind of has to happen and see this crazy thing I think it has because his choice is he can't go to McElroy Because if he goes with McElroy, then he's doing, then he's he's he's kind of firing himself. Jake: Well, he's firing Tannenbaum, certainly. Yeah, and then he's firing. Justin: He's kind of firing. He's kind of saying that this whole back this whole thing was all bullshit. And we made a huge mistake. Right. Because now I'm putting in my third string. I'm skipping them. Right. Or. I could see a scenario of... And this is Woah Crazy Crazy Sauce, but I could see a 50-50. I could see... That thing we've been asking for all season where we just play the whole series? No, I could see a McElroy... T-Bow package. T-Bow. But really doing it, like... Like McElroy maybe plays a series then T-bow plays a couple series see if he gets it going if he gets it going he Keeps it going until he goes three and out twice in a row, and then they go back to the other I Jake: Don't know if they'd ever subject Sanchez to that I could see him doing it McElroy at this point. There's no subsecting Sanchez anything. I'm sorry you're starting quarterback He got paid millions of dollars you start. No, but they wouldn't do that with him Oh, you mean the back and forth push it? The back and forth, no. But they do with the second and third spring. They do with the back and forth, yeah. There is no happiness out of this. This situation, again, I feel like from the beginning, this has been made the worst situation, and there's no getting out of it. That crowd was nuts yesterday when that happened. They were insane. I mean, they were really, I mean... Well, here, we didn't mention this, because I... Okay, all you fans out there who don't actually go to the games, um... There were a lot of you assholes who were not at the games, because the upper deck was fucking empty. Pretty empty game. Thanks. So, um... So, typically, and I... Again, I don't know how much they show on this TV. I HON'T THINK THEY SHOW THIS STUFF ON THE T... Typically, when they announce, they don't actually show the announcements. So, typically, when they announce, they either announce the defense or offense. comments. and then they have a whole bunch of schmoes come out, then they announce player by player. And so recently, as Sanchez has gotten worse and worse, it's been funny to watch who and what they're gonna announce. And so this time, they decided, kind of smartly, because it kind of did what it was supposed to do,
42:01 Jake: they just put people in chunks. So they did the offensive line together., They did the backfield together and they had Justin: the back included the quarterback included the quarterback Jake: back into the receivers and it is so they couldn't Justin: say couldn't boost individual because they really only boo one right now and Jake: And they did, they booed him. They booed that crew a little bit. Yeah, but he's in this crew. But when he came out in the first, I mean, I'll tell - I'll tell you. It was every time he came out, it was Boo Central. But then he made it worse by throwing a pack. Justin: They didn't boom on the first, then he threw the pick, they booed him off the field, they booed him back on the field. Right. I mean, the second one. Threw the second pick, he boomed off. Every time he came back on the field, it was boo, boo, boo, boo, boo, boo. Right. Also miss him. And he really was missing. There was no forum. Well, I don't know if he's there or not. What I mean is his name, ETS, Jets Jets Jets Chance, anyone who's ever gone through the game has recognized, known, and loved. It was not there yesterday. Yeah, they didn't happen Jake: Well, first of all, you usually have to scores in a kick off during kickoffs Justin: And there were three or four or five kickoffs yesterday, right? There where three scores and two halves five kick offs five chances to get the JTS. Jetch. Jetch. Jetch. Chant going And it didn't happen. It was gone. It didn't exist. They tried to throw it on the Jumbotron and get it going. It was all pumped in crowd and always bullshit. Right. Nobody cared. Nobody did anything. That was kind of I missed that a little. Jake: That was a little like the whole thing. The whole thing sucks. The whole thing sucks. And all and look at it. It all comes down to what? It comes out of this T-Bo decision. Because. They clounded up big time this year. He decided to, they decided to go with T-Bo. So, Ed decided, Fireman Ed decided to go, to support T-Bo, or support Sanchez, because he's on Sanchez's side. He thinks he's a better quarterback, so he the wears his jersey. So then people start heckling him in the stands. And he says, like, fuck this. ......... I wish we could do that.
45:14 Justin: in the way in the way I think teams with legit like number one starting quarterbacks are in better position than teams with Jake: three not. I'd rather have a guaranteed number one never even. I'll take Drew Brees at five and seven. Well here's the thing. Who's Drew Brees back up? I don't fucking know. Who's Tom Bray's back up? Uh Ryan Mallett. Okay well. I happen to know that. Yeah. Who's uh Aaron Rodgers back up? No idea. Kyle Orton. Okay, so there's, I mean, but generally you should know. No, you really should. You know that's a bad thing. No. You shouldn't even know who the backup is. No. Because you should never even see that. Justin: Although I think if you were to like put me on the spot and quiz me I could probably name 20. Jake: Yeah, for them, yeah. And then there's like the fans, fans who never get, who never, or there's the quarterbacks who like are a joke, like the guys who backup Peyton Manning and those guys. who painted her last year, right? Greg McElroy has not received indication that he will be the starting QB. Timbir waiting for X-ray results hasn't heard from Rex about QB. And that's the thing, if Timbir, if all, this is the thing, this is the only way you get it back to Sanchez without having some sort of whatever, is you say, listen, my second quarterback, my backup quarterback is hurt. And he isn't officially, he's not ready to go somehow. X-rays come back, not great. He goes, my backup quarterback's not great. I'm not going with my third string. I still need to win games. I'm going with my first string quarterback. And we're going to win. That's it. It's the only way you can do it. I guess. Oh, by the way, Dustin Keller does not have a high anchors plane, but he was out halfway through the game. Yeah, he was out. He has been a disappointment this year. I know not I mean a lot of injuries injuries injuries injuries Justin: And then all the teams that we kind of needed so early in D at Detroit Indie wins on the last play of the game. I mean they were losing by They were losing 33-21 with like three minutes to Donnie A. and the 10- And they they beat the Ravens 10-nothing in the fourth quarter to win the game
48:02 Justin: Charlie fucking batch that guy's that was horrible Charlie Batch. God damn Charlie Batch. I mean really? And then? And then Cincinnati. fucking Norv. I mean they're winning, they're winning 13- a 10 and then in the fourth quarter since he scores twice in the last five minutes in San Diego Jake: Norv Turner deserves to be fired. Norv Turner's ruining my life. He is ruining your life. And... Justin: All of a sudden, I mean that's- Jake: Ahh! Justin: They have no- Ugh. So all the teams we kinda needed to lose yesterday Didn't. Ended up winning. Would've been one game back of them with our cupcake ass schedule with some of them playing each other. Like Pittsburgh and Cincy, I think they play each other. So we could've caught one of them. I don't know if we're gonna catch any of them. Even if we go 9 and 7, I think- Think at best will be like tied with somebody book. They'll be ahead of us somehow Jake: Right like it'll be Pittsburgh and they beat us right again. It's kind of hard to be thinking big picture, but Shit, I mean what we're not going to do we're not going to this playoffs with this Correndous offense. I mean we can't beat good teams now Oh, we're gonna see in the in the off and in the playoffs are good teams I don't know. Come on football guys, you deserve to make that happen. Justin: What they deserve is, they deserve that, but they also, what really could happen is the Colts go to Denver. And that's kind of a big match up. That's a big deal match up. That's pretty good too. That's a big boy game. But maybe you're in the second because you know cuz Houston's gonna be the one seed right and I I feel like the Pats will Probably be the two seed and then you've got the Ravens in Denver three four, right? That's just how I feel like how it's gonna shake out so we would have to go to either Denver or We're talking about going somewhere in the playoffs. I know it's going to the golf course One of those two places where we're not winning anyway, so I keep up alive for fans, I gotta keep up with all of them. Speaking of keeping hope alive. Yes. The Jet Kingdom Fantasy Football League standings. Yes. Are pretty much final. They were final last week. Now there's final again. Well now they're final cause we've played the last regular season week and you and I played. Right and going into the week you were nine and three going into the week. I was eight three and one
51:05 Justin: Whoever won our matchup was gonna be the winner of our division. Yep, and I beat you Oh, not yet. No. Yes. How is it over? It's over. All right, I beat you 112 to 88 I also beat you in the cumulative for the year. I went back and checked when we last played I've beaten you if you add the two games up beat me by more points. Jake: Yeah, but I beat you the last time we played. So we're one and one. That's what I'm saying. We're one and one. But if there was some sort of tie breaker, I'd be ahead of you. Okay. Justin: I also finished with a better record because I will be nine, three, and one, whereas you'll be nine and four. The tie helps me out. Wow, that's ridiculous. And after looking at... All of it, I believe, I mean the title set itself tomorrow, I believe we're playing each other in the first round of the playoffs. And that's two weeks worth of rounds. So we will be playing two more weeks in a row after having just played. The football gods wanted us to play. They wanted us to play three weeks in a row. I say we count this week, but you're like, no, fuck that. What do you mean count this week? Just count it by three weeks. Jake: No. Of course not. The week I've already lost? No. All right. Well, let's get the offer. We'll be back Wednesday. We'll do another podcast. We'll make all our picks. We'll do all that great stuff. We had to do a Monday. This is the saddest Monday for you people, for you T-Boe believers. Maybe get your chance and listen. You know what? Funny as shit has happened. If we win this Super Bowl with Tim Tebow, I will buy every Tim Tebow piece and wear it and whatever. I have a T-shirt, I have a Tim Tebow T-shirt. I've worn it a few times. I thought it brought me some luck. Maybe it didn't. If he starts next week, fine. I get to watch the circus and it's fine. And you know what? Maybe it happens. I want the team to do well. Whoever gives us the best chance to win. All right, we'll be back on Wednesday, two short days away. We'll see you then. We'll do some, we'll do our picks. We'll do our Jet Kingdom pick-em, which I'm destroying you in. We'll do our throne picks. And we'll talk about what's upcoming. Maybe we'll actually have a decision. So hopefully we'll wait till the end of the day. Hopefully we'll have a decision. And then we can discuss what kind of decision that's gonna be. Justin: I don't think we're gonna have it. Jake: I think we will. Justin: I think it's coming on Friday. Okay. No, that's a mistake. I don't think that's a mistake. That's funny to come. Jake: Alright, so let's go! Gonna be Tebow. Until then, as always, as we say, go Tim Tebow. Go Jets.