Earned & Burned

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Onan, what is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and they'll hear the lamentation of their women.

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00:09 Justin: The best place to be is when expectations are high. Get used to it. It's always going to be that way. Can't wait! Jake: Welcome to Jet Team Podcasts. Longest running near you. just podcast ever. Yes. My name is Jake and joining me the very pumped up in his dolphins damn right orange polo by the way nice 80s comeback polo shirt. I always wear polo shirts. Yeah nice. There's a polo outlet near my near my second house. Is there a visit? Is there a section that says shit that people wore in the 80s? And then you just pick out of there? You get these t-shirts, got the little horse guy on it. So cool. I remember when I had my first bowl of shirt. Oh my god, I got so many polo bear t-shirts and like... Oh, ridiculous. So good. Alright, let's get to the Jets. Hey Jake. What? Eat a dick. Nice! Nice. I tell you the album what we say we said that whoever wins the league wins the jet kingdom fancy league and Whoever wins the jet kingdom pick them will both get copies of eat a dick our first single our first single It might be 12 seconds long it but it is it might Also be told we talk about it for like literally the entire season people will be so wanting to listen to it We're just gonna be playing it on this thing when the Jets are one and six Oh, so there's there goes your there goes your I'm awesome. They're being underestimated Yes, when comes time to pick games See where we fall on no what season or games? No the gaming like game by game The see when we pick the season game by game. We pick the games. We pick the Jets to win, but we play season Well, yeah, I mean there'd be six 16 and 0 every year, obviously. I'd love, I'd love. It'll be interesting and we have a lot to talk about today, so let's get into it but it'll be interesting cause these pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre and the- Tebow time right and that's like I didn't want to watch people now no one cared But this year as much as I want Sanchez to do very well in this preseason that's happening tonight I'm also very interested to see how How do you know how do you know does like how you do? Here's a question for you. All right So tonight's game we're gonna start Sanchez. Do you think that was the right move? Well, according to him he earned it. Justin: No, according to- Jake: According to everybody he earned it. Do you think that- do you feel like he should- he should have started this first game? Yes. Yes. Do you feel like he should have? And with that said, do you feel like all things being equal, he plays well, Gino plays-

03:00 Jake: Okay, you know starts next game automatic. I do not think it what happens I think it's literally what nation that's when the decisions gonna be made before game three Yes, whoever starts game three is gonna be the starter basically unless they totally shit the bed That's one of them or both of them shit the bed then Greg McElroy Rex already said Mac or he's not in the running for the starting position. He said he's not he's battling for the outperforming at the moment. it seems like while again from reading not at the camp it seems like Sanchez while outperforming Geno and sort of knowing the offense and being able to perform on the field in terms of completion percentages and stuff like that that that he's still he's still doing the stuff you know if you were if you're doing the interception the interception ticker that everybody I think is looking at like how many interceptions he's not leading in that he's, or he has more interceptions he's throwing more of sort of Sanchez-esque balls I think but I think there's this huge I mean this is the NFL there's a huge Why can't we have the new great thing? Everybody wants the new great thing. So it doesn't matter if you have Aaron Rodgers, or maybe not Aaron Rodgers, someone sitting there behind him going, hey, who's this other guy behind Rodgers? Let's get him on the field. But the most talked about player on the field, or wanted player, is the backup to the struggling quarterback. I remember Brownie Nagel. Yeah. Let's do it. Browning Nagels, man, get him in there. So Glenn Foley, he's awesome. What's a better story if you're a beat writer, what's a better story? Talking about the new that the the guy who slipped out of the first story is Tebow shirtless running through the ring. Well, that is the best story. But what's the second story is the rookie Tebow, the backup. Everybody loves the rookie story. It's it's the American dream. It's like the guy gets picked and hit and beats out the whatever and then hits it and then. Does well, so I think so. So the quarterbacks have obviously been a huge, huge thing in training camp. Right. Right. And there's still some questions, obviously, and they won't be answered for another week or so around who's going to be named, because I think they're going to name the starter running into that. leading up into that third week. That person's just gonna take the first string rep. Absolutely, but I'm telling you, because you and I had this, we started a side conversation off air, which we should never do, because it's not fair to our listeners, saying what, you know, you were like, I think they should have started Geno because. I think they should have started Geno in this first game.

06:02 Jake: if you did that you basically say Sanchez was lost no because then you start them in the second game then if you're gonna do That why not? Why does it matter? Well, what does it matter? Why I'll tell you why I'll tell you why I'll tell you why I'll tell you it's because we're fucking home in the second game and they don't want Sanchez running out there to a rain a booze Exactly. But here's the thing I'd rather see Gino play the harder team I'd rather we play next we play the Lions and we play the Jacksonville Jaguars I'd rather see Gino play against in Domic and Sue and Nick Fairley up his ass in the middle Rushing then who knows who on Jacksonville. I'd rather see him face a better team Well, that's because on the road. I want to see what he's got Would you also not want Sanchez to meet the better team? No, I want to see what I know I know what I got there. I want to see what Gino's got Do you know why I really I really want to see Sanchez only play like one or two series because I want to see Gino playing with First stringers like if he doesn't get to play with first string players tonight It's unfair to him and I will not judge whatever he does. I'll totally judge it with the grain of salt right playing with Second string and against second string. I don't care what he does, but there's nothing I think this is it's always been it is Sanchez's job to lose and he has to do something bad enough or Literally, you know Smith has to look so amazing. So neither one has happened. He has not looked amazing He's had some good moments from what I've read but he hasn't looked like he hasn't looked like dominating and Sanchez hasn't looked incredibly horrible. He's looked okay. He's looked a little bit more polished. He's like fitting in the office. He can read it better. He's a more experienced quarterback. But we all know that that's not when, it wasn't the training camps that we all went, Sanchez has got a problem. It wasn't that. It was during the seasons. It was during, you know, key times when he just got into these almost mental slumps and... It's a little bit of a surprise, but I'm not going to tell you. So I think, I'm excited to see Sanchez. I know he'll come out, I know he'll play what he plays. He'll do what he does. And sure, right, for that point, like I almost don't want to see Sanchez play because I don't think he's going to, I neither think he's going to show us, you know, he's not gonna throw six picks in a preseason game, and I don't think that, he's going to throw three touchdowns. I just know neither one of those things are going to happen. So he'll play probably, you know, above average game. I hope so. I would really like to see what Gino has because if Gino comes in, and again, we're going to see that next week, barring injury. We're going to see that next week. And hopefully, I mean, next week,

09:00 Jake: you know, this week we're going to see Sanchez with, uh, you know, Belal Powell. Next week we might see Gino with Chris Ivory. And the lopop, right? So like, um, I'm hoping that I do get to see Gino play with first stringers tonight. Tonight being Friday, we're taping this tonight. If if San airliner., just goes down the field you As of now in training camp, because the running backs are just, Ivory. In hasn't, hasn't practiced yet with the team. He's been. Practicing, right? But not in team. So he said he said next week, right? Still not around. Has not showed up. He is not in camp. I've reset he's ready to rock next week. Next week. We'll go practice next week and then we'll a Basically. profile and you. And yeah, so there's, you know, so they don't want to over done. Well Well, the guy can't be that done bad leg injury starting caliber running backs who are definitely not in their prime but If you're looking to a guy who's not showing up because you got arrested another guy who's got what I mean like we're down to We really had all these running backs and now it's like you got nobody It's not like McKnight towards ACL you'll be fine

12:00 Jake: Starting calico back. Okay, but not every Third or fourth running back on a team is a starting running back. That's the point. So you're saying right now just throwing it out there. Chris Ivory is a starter. He is our starter. He is. He's also injury prone. Okay, but he's our starter. Yeah. Yeah. And Blal Powell is the other guy. Yeah. And Goodson is on the roster. So, so McKnight is really the fourth running back. He's not in jail. Where is he? I don't know.. That's not good. He's hanging on. He's on the beach. He's on the roster, but we don't know where he is. He's whatever. He's doing his thing. That's horrible. He's cool. All right. Well, what we didn't talk about was the green and white scrimmage, which happened last Saturday night, which I wanted to listen to. I was very excited. I was like, oh, I'm going to listen to this. I would like to watch it. I know there was some, you know, the recap of it. Powell played well. That's what our players played well. Sanchez made a nice throw to Stephen Hill at the end of the... I think it was kind of like the end of the game and it was kind of like a long bomb go for it kind of thing. Yeah, I saw it. I saw the highlight of it. It was the end of the game, but they were in a situation. Was it the end of the game? I think it was kind of like a... 55 yard go route. Okay. Go get it. And who was on him? Who's on Hill? Milner? No, no, some corner who got cut. Okay. Yes. Yeah. And then I know that Rino came out, scored a touch, somebody got taken back because of a, right. He didn't score a touchdown. When he was on, they didn't score a touchdown. Right, but I think he scored a touchdown, but I got pulled back by 10. He fumbled and Sanchez threw a pick, so they both had turnovers. Cromartie picks Sanchez. Sanchez does know better. Don't throw to a no-name receiver who's Cromartie's covering. But you're playing with who you're playing with. In those games, a lot of the times, if you're with the 2s, you're playing against the 1s, and if you're with the 1s, you're playing against the 2s. So, any other thing I heard is that it was. go to dinner, and on there Up to four games in a Clyde Gates perhaps Clyde Gates. That was the one who they're saying saw what Clyde Gates could do last year Con the gates of love Yeah ball Alright, can't get open. So let's let's talk about uh What's going around the week first? Well, we don't need to do around the league. What's the round? Around the league leader. No, because we got a bunch of stuff to do today. Let's talk about a bunch of games on last night that I watched. Anything interesting? Um, well, I watched a little bit of the

15:00 Jake: I was watching the NFL network and they were whipping around and the whip around. They were showing a lot of a lot of games. And I am still at this moment very happy with my Cleveland Browns. Pick. I think they're gonna be a lot better than people think they are. She go talk to some Cleveland Browns fans. I think they're gonna be halfway decent. They're like Bills fans every year. They're gonna be decent. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. Cleveland knows that they're not gonna be decent. Where they live. They know that. To me, I hope we have a lot of Bills and Browns fans. No, but Cleveland is like cursed from a sports perspective. Buffalo has... two teams Cleveland has teams in I'm not gonna count hockey, but the the major sports right there the football team They have baseball team baseball team and then basketball team and they are just completely cursed, right? I don't think they've won a major sports championship in They're still like 40, 50 years or something. Alright, so what did you learn last night? I liked what I saw out of Cleveland and their offense particularly. North Turner offense, Brandon Weeden looked pretty decent and they didn't even have Trent Richardson playing. So I liked what I saw there. Um, what was the other team that was watching that look pretty good? Ah. Just keeping me now Then we're gonna skip it. Oh man. It was on the tip of my tongue and I missed it I forget it. I watched a bunch of games last night. There was there was a few players I was trying to scout a little fantasy, but you know, then the you know, the first stringers don't play all that much You don't get so why don't we talk about the real game that's gonna happen, oh the Brandon Moore news also happened So Brandon Moore decided to sign And he had a stint with the Cowboys and he was signed with the Cowboys and retired. He would come back to the Jets signed a one year or one day deal. If you want to retire as a jet, did he play for the Cowboys? No. He was drafted by the Jets. So I'm saying he would come. He signed because he's like, Oh, I'm going to be a shot. And then I think he just. thought through it. So he'll sign back with a jet. So I don't feel all that bad about not re-signing him at this point, because I feel like our offensive line got better. I don't know. I can't wait to see that. He also might have been, he most of them had a call with, if I were Izzik, I'd be like, listen, kid, you're coming back. Just hang out, work out, because we're going to need you at some point. And we're going to give you some money and you come back and then you can come. Brando, you think? Yeah, they have a lot of depth on the offensive line. My prediction, sometime he gets signed back into the season. I think he was too injured. Like his hand was done. That's my feeling. Let's talk about tonight. So tonight we got a game. We have the first Jets. Two real game. It's crazy. Against the lions in Detroit at 7 30. Indeedy. So what is the uh what are you interested in seeing tonight?

18:05 Jake: I'm willing to see if Megatron can catch how. I want to see don't don't know on Megatron. Like wouldn't that be some shit Rex just throw him out there on mega. I want to just we know in a regular season situation Marty would cover Megatron and try his best to do what he could but I want to throw d milner on an island against Calvin Johnson and see what the kid is made of like here Welcome to the nfl cover the best receiver right in the league One, and one of the best ones to come around in a while in a while bak, have fun there might be a couple plays where he does they might swap I'd like to see him just do it like the whole time like let's see what you're made of kid I Remember, boy, what have you one of revises first games yeah? you And the whole game They just had him shadowing Randy Moss and I sat there with you up in your seats I said, why are they doing this to this kid? Why is he just like Randy Mosses was this was like the oh seven packs like this was the 51 like crazy year or something here? Yeah, and he torched Reavis boy. Did he torch him in regular season game? It might have been the worst game that Reavis maybe has ever played like he had over 100 yards a couple touchdowns some really long ones I want to see milner go through that same process throw him on calvin We know we know chromarti can do what he can do. We don't need to see that matchup I want to see what milner can do I'm gonna have to destroy kid no no no you don't look here It's just a challenge right? You think in a half like that's what I want to see all right above and beyond the quarterbacks I mean obviously the quarterbacks. I'm gonna be every play every set that every quarterback takes on a big place. I'm really looking forward to see the defense. I want to see this defense because again the one thing we think that we know about this team is they're gonna have a top Five defense is the thing we're predicting. They're gonna have a top five deep. Well, I want to see it, right? I want to see I'm again. I'm more interested this year in the defense because I know the offense is gonna struggle a struggle I know they don't have the weapons. I know there's so many people out there It's like why am I even watching the offense and whoever's out there is not throwing to Megatron he's throwing to guys who you know It's a non megatrons to tiny tons Could have been a podcast name So I'm really interested in the defense. I'm always interested. I want to see them pressure him. I want to see them sack him. I want to see them get I want to see D Miller cover somebody I'm looking for that big time looking for these players these new

21:02 Jake: Guys the defensive line seven new starters on, defense. Yeah Supposedly Calvin pace has been looking really good in camp Yeah, do you see his big thing was he took the uh... He's keeping his resignation letter. But those resignation letters are from us. That's fine. It's a little bit weird. That's fine. It's cool. From the Jets. It's what Bernard Pollard is doing. But he did it, he put it in his locker. But he didn't, he wasn't, he's not on the same team. No, no, no. This is a big difference. Well, this is Calvin Pace's second stint with the Jets. According to the US. Yes it is. That's why he got cut. You can keep going on this. Um... And then you had this last thing which doesn't have anything to do with the preseason game tonight about Shillins. Yeah, Chaz Shillins. He's on the Lions. Right. But he says something about Sanchez. Basically. He said they were looking for reasons last year not to blame the quarterback. Where everybody else in the world was blaming the quarterback. Everyone was blaming the quarterback, but internally they were looking for things to blame outside of just blaming the quarterback. Some of that falls on him. Buddy, Chas Schulens, stay healthy, get open. You suck. You suck. Now you're on Detroit and I hope you go over the middle and I hope David Harris lights you up. Lights you up. Um, I am... I just had a thought about something I'm in- something I'm also interested in. Maybe some Damario Davis? I'm a little bit interested in some Damario Davis. No, Bart Scott! I'm also in some- He's not on a team either, by the way. No, I know. I'm just saying. Oh, this guy out there. Just not on the team. Yeah Yeah, watch did you watch hard knocks have not need to need to go back James Harrison's a son of a bitch, man Really? He's on the Bengals. Yeah. Holy shit. He's crazy Fucking that actually makes me a little interested to watch that show. It's good They got some good personalities on that team three years ago as a Jets two years ago They didn't have it on last year as a dolphin. So those those three, I'm gonna have to say this one year, Zippo, but those two years I was like really interested. The Bengals, I'm like... The Bengals were interesting the first time around. They had Ocho Sinko and Chad and Carson Palmer. They were interesting. Yeah. I feel like they can make anything interesting, but whatever. The Bengals also have good coaching personalities. It's just hard for me to watch a team that it's not my team. Oh, I love it. It's It's just a crack. It's just a crack. It's just a crack. All right. I love it. Gino Atkins. Still no, they got some good player. That's a good team Cincinnati. They're gonna win their division speaking of good that on the put down On the board. All right, I'm gonna board Anything else about tonight, so what's your prediction give me some prediction? I don't know not that the team has a team at the score whatever but let's talk about some individual Let's talk about the one thing everyone wants to what's your prediction for gene order backs? Yeah, what do you expect? I expect Gino to look a little shakier at first, but on maybe like the first drive, but once he settles in a little bit to actually look like- Stop, stop, stop. Better question, better question. Because you're saying that I have a better question for you.

24:00 Jake: Because we know that you're basically, you want to answer this. I'm rooting for Mark's answers. Right, yes. What could Geno Smith do? What could he show you? He gets on there. Let's say Sanchez goes down and let's say doesn't score touchdown the first drive because I'll basically be Something that he hasn't done in a long long time, but let's say he goes down Competent enough to kick a field goal fine And then and rest like let's put Gino out there see what you got he goes out with the first What could this kid do that you would go fuck it? I'm I'm off the wagon. I'm going on I'm on I'm all I want to see good rhythm. I want to see on time on time pass, I want to see the command of the whole offense maybe check off into something better I want to see no penalties but give me something that's give me something that I can see but give me something that I can measure well you can see that if you actually watch the game no no no, measure meaning well it's not always measuring it's like alright, is there a good rhythm and feel to this offense is he taking a a delay of game penalty. That would be like a rookie thing to do, right? Oh, delay a game. Can he run what they're asking him to run? Can he see something and say... Because they'll point it out for you on TV. They'll be like, Gino made a good call there because he saw that the weak side safety was coming down and they were going to run that way, so he ran the other way. Right. Like that kind of thing. Um... But but my question is down. No my question was what could he show you so you would jump off the Sanchez wagon onto the Genos? I don't know if you can do it in one game in a preseason one game. I don't I don't three touchdowns Oh, well, I mean if he was out there and he likes it up Bink Bink Bink Touchdown's like in four passes. Yeah, I'd be like well, okay. Yep Let me let me slide over and let's see what happens in game two if he can replicate this This what it has a cruise like game. How's that? Yeah if he has that that game that Victor Cruz had for the Giants when they played against us his first game where he had like 180 yards and three times whoa, who the fuck is that guy? No one can cover him. All right, cool That'd be like, alright. I mean, it might have to move on to game two. I mean, it's like, you know, it's not like he's not gonna... Unless he just goes out there and does Sancha's butt fumble bullshit and throws a pick on his second pass attempt, and then he gets one more series and he fumbles the center exchange, and then it's like, alright, there's your two series, bud. Your pick. your normal pick from in our own on our own side of the field and or a red zone pick that's his favorite and a fumble on a stupid exchange then they draw Genu in there and the offense looks good and they're moving and there's no turnovers be like all right okay go start game two and if you do well I'm in. I'm just I'm just trying to figure out where your thing is. Okay. I'm not I'm I'm inching closer to the to the To the middle percentage wise give me a percentage right now like 60 40 Yeah, and you've come back. That's you really 10 that's for me That's really coming to like a point of like towards the middle

27:00 Jake: I really just need to see the guys play now So when you see one way that would be interesting cuz you have a lot of like even I'm gonna want to see Sanchez start. Oh, yeah, but I don't know if that's the right move Like if they're even I think the move might really be Fuck it. You're even rookie. You got it. Well, if you're even that's not what I necessarily want to see but I think that that's if I'm Braxton if I'm running thing and hey look we just drafted this guy. I'm not even Get him in the game. Upside. It's upside. It's because- Hey, when Sanchez got the job in 09. Was it 09? 9? Yeah, I guess 09. Colin Clemens started the first game. The first preseason. Right. Sanchez started the second preseason game. And then it was like, OK. There about equal. Right. Callen Clemens is in great shape. They were not even equal. I mean, Sanchez is a much, much better quarterback than Callen Clemens even dreamed about in his wildest dreams. Okay, great. Let's get to your wildest dreams, which is winning the Jet Kingdom Fantasy League again. Let me talk about it. A gem being the key. Oh, again, whatever. So Jet Kingdom Fantasy League started last year. We're doing it again this year. We're taking entrance. We are letting in one more person this year. We have three more spots. We're letting in two more this year. Sorry, today. We're letting in one person. Today we're letting in one person. And we have three spots left. So after today we only have two spots left. We're going to do a podcast next week and we're going to do a podcast quickly. I don't know how we're going to do it the following week. So just remember the draft is on September 4th. September 1st at like 4pm. That's when the draft happens. This week is a... Jets League, you can, you must have an active Jets on your roster and you must not have anybody on your roster for the week that they play the Jets. So Tom Brady needs to sit down at least two times or three times because once is by, you cannot play when the Jets play the Jets. So if you, if you want to get into the league, let me tell you how and then we'll read the person who's, who got in this week. You send an email to podcast at JetKingdom.com. Here are the rules. You send a picture. You tell us the name of the team, your team name, what it would be. Try to be creative because that helps. You need to tell us your best road-jets experience, either watching or going. You should tell us exactly why you should be in the league, and you should pick me. I mean, you should pick one of us. You should pick one of us, the podcaster versus the broadcaster. We haven't really told any reason why to pick. It's not like a whatever, but just pick one. It's really who do you like more because most people have been picking me. Yeah, I'm making a comeback But anyway, so who makes the league this week? Welcome to the league bill now Why does bill make it into the well, we've been talking with bill for quite a he's been a fan for a while of the Podcast I know we've been talking with him on Twitter For a long long time So, Bill's been a fan of the Jets for 31 years. Okay, you're in.

30:00 Jake: Good street cred. Yep. His fantasy football team name would be the Upstaters. He lives in Albany. His best road experience was attending a Bill's game the year Curtis Martin won the rushing title. They cheered him on, you know, they had some good seats They were able to cheer on Curtis because they watched them warm up and they were right there, right? and Curtis Thank them for making the road trip today to support the chat. So that's really cool So, let's see I might have even been at that game anyway He should be in the league because he's been playing fantasy football since 2002 and he always finishes his seasons which we appreciate because that's kind of a thing we want you to really play and finish your seasons no matter how sucky you are his pictures of him and what looks to be his son it could be just a little boy i'm hoping it's his son um or nephew or something he is sitting on a jet's chair sitting on a jet's chair with a jet's shirt and a jet's He's fishing. Okay, that's kind of cool. He's not gonna get of a creek. You got to get those uh those Jeans fix there, but yeah, he's got big holes in his huge alright and He's siding with me the broadcaster. No, that's fine. I'll let him in anyway the next two are gonna be setting with me I'm just telling you see better. I'm starting. I don't know about that Yep, you have to look at the list of people that we should pick from all right, so Pick a couple guys. Two more weeks. Two more weeks, two more spots. Here it comes. Two spots remaining. And remember, if we got it, if you sent it, we got it. I might have responded, but if we didn't respond, I got it. We get every one of them. We get their own. Unless you get a bounce back, we get them. And thank you for everybody sending in. They're really fun to read. I love them. It's a blast for us. We love it. Yeah, so it's fun. And if you don't make it in... Oh, I'm going... Sorry. Alright. Let's start mentioning too, we do a Jet Kingdom pick-up which everybody can join. Yes, everyone can join. We'll let you know how to get into that. It's on Yahoo. Yeah, it's on Yahoo. It's called the Jet Kingdom pick-up. Pick every game against the spread, against us. I will mention it next week. I'll start to tweet it, so follow me at Jet Kingdom. I'll tweet it. And maybe if Justin remembers how to tweet, he'll go to just Jet Kingdom and he'll tweet. Justin: What's this tweeting? Jake: Make sure to follow us on Facebook.com, slash Jet Kingdom, we're on Google+. Remember to go to iTunes, leave a review. Can I mail a letter to somebody? No, leave a review on iTunes. Subscribe is the best place to subscribe. We will be back next week with another episode. And until then, as always, let's go Jets!