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March 18, 2017 · 41:09 · Free agency is officially not-so-free and Justin & Jake break down some of the moves and needs.
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00:20 Jake: Welcome to Jet Kingdom podcast, the longest running New York Jets podcast. Ever. I'm Jake. Joining me. 274 times in a row. Almost a big 275. It's Justin. Justin, how you doing today? Justin: What's up, bitches? Jake: Three podcasts in a year is a third. Yeah, this is a third, right? Justin: I think so. I got some news. You do? Yup. About you? Nope. About me? Nope. About the Jets? Nope. About what? Jet Kingdom. What about Jet Kingdom? Jake: For honoring our 13th anniversary as a Jet Kingdom, as a website. Justin: As a website. Right. 10 years as a podcast. Jake: Which started March 25th, 2000 and nope, that's it. That's coming up then. All right, show me. When did it start? 17, 13 years ago. That's it. 2004, I relaunched our website. Justin: Relaunch. Jake: Brr, brr. Yeah, so go to jacking.com, check it out. Tell me if you like it. Justin: You got a new coach, new GM. Jake: Yep. Justin: Running that website. Jake: So far, the people like it. It's got better commenting. It's just better look and feel. It's more. Justin: Works on your mobile device. Jake: Yes, it's reactive. It's responsive. It's also reactive. It's also reactive and responsive. And it has Facebook on the side. It has all my pictures. Facebook, I'm in. Yeah. Count me in. And it has the comments now is commenting. It uses Facebook to comment. So that's just easier for people. And the player is nicer. It's just it's a nicer look and feel. It's very simple. And I was able to put a massive, nice... Justin: It means you actually don't have to download our podcast if you don't want to, although I would employ you two. You can just go to our website whenever and just play them. Yep. And it has... They're there really nicely just laid out there. Jake: Yeah, because it has a nice little player right there. It's really, really nice. So, anyways, jackkeino.com. It's new, it's there. And I'm going to go get the shirt. and it's awesome and you can search all the podcasts. The thing is I don't have every podcast from the beginning of time up, although I do have the first one, the beginning. Justin: Episode one. 8-21-2007. I gotta listen to that one day. We are probably so bad. I mean, not that we're good now. No, not good at all. But then we were probably really bad. Really bad. Well, that's when we did over Skype. tape. If anyone listening right now has ever heard the first episode, can you just let me know or let us know at Just Check Kingdom? Jake: 821. 10 years. Justin: Yeah, we're like- Podcasting. We're the OGs of this bitch.
03:00 Justin: All right, well, enough congratulatory masturbation. Jake: Let's get on to talking about the Jets. Justin: Wipe off this puddle of duck butter on the table. Jake: Duck butter. Justin: And let's move right along. This episode brought to you by Beecham, Jake: makers of Duck Butter. Justin: Too soon? Jake: So while the Jets have basically stayed out of free agency, they have made a few signings. Justin: But dude. Dude. Yeah. We I mean more importantly than Who we've Signed yeah big loss today in free agency Who is a big loss today? Geno Smith Oh Signing with the New York Giants. I think that's Jake: That is actually the best news I've heard. That's actually the best signing of the Jets the entire time. Justin: He'll never play. It's a great situation for him. Eli never misses a snap. Jake: Well, that's not why it's the best. It's the best because there's no chance of him signing back for the Jets. No more Gino in New York. That was a talk. Justin: I know. Is Gino the best thing? Is he the best? Should we bring him back? Nope, he's not. He's not the best at anything. So, here's some good things that are happening. Do you know who's visiting, though? Who's visiting Justin? A Macau brother. Oh, which one? The one that played for the Browns last year. Jake: The one is 38. 38. Fine. That's perfect. Yeah. That guy's our starter. He could come in and if he Justin: did start, fine. If he didn't, fine. No, no, no starting. No, I mean if he had to. Yeah, had to. He's not starting. But he would probably try to. Fine, but the I Jake: The coach has to start the young guys, which is the right decision Which is the right decision. The coach has to make the right decision. Not based on talent, not based on how good they are. You start the young guys And well not based on how good they are. You don't start the Fitzpatrick. That's the whole point Yeah, McCown and Fitzpatrick are very similar. Same deal same guy. Similar dudes. So we're basically trying to do what we did two? I Justin: Why? Because I think there's a special one and I want them. Jake: Yeah, like Manziel who you wanted so badly? I want, I want, I want, I want Watson. Because you're so good at evaluating quarterbacks? Justin: I want Watson. Why? Because he's just crazy athletic fast winner. National title two years in a row playmaker won the national title Beat Alabama Score drop like 30 something for the on Sanchez win titles into shit now. I played one year at USC didn't win. No
06:01 Justin: But he won the title. No He played one year at USC He he came in after Matt liner and before Matt Barkley he played one Jake: winners that's what someone said who's the USC coda back this year Justin: everybody's talking about I don't know his name right I'm like I don't want one of those guys why they're usually good, Barkley? Yeah but Barkley wasn't a first round pick, Liner was a bust Sanchez Bust. Palmer, not a bust. Palmer took a long time to make a bust. No he didn't. He was an excellent player and then he got his knee torn up in a playoff game. And they were gonna win. That was a good team. Jake: I feel like you won for four in that one then. Justin: Won for three. Barkley doesn't count. He was like a fourth round pick. Jake: I don't think it was that low. Justin: He was. Jake: Okay. There's another one in there. No. No? I think so. All right, tell us about our signings as I look this up. Justin: We signed Beecham to play left tackle. Beecham from, let's see, I know he played for Pittsburgh for a little bit and then played for Jacksonville last year. And now he's a jet and he'll be playing left tackle. So it's another one of those sort of. low risk high reward similar to clady but never as good as clady once was not castle well matt castle i mean he's a backup but he's a usc he's like a seventh round pick or something it's not like uh you're drafting him to be your savior and he's had a nice career he's still in the league kody kessler didn't come for usc don't know But again, no down a first round pick. I'm just, I'm naming out guys who came from USC. Dude, I'm talking about our team. Beach them. All right, beach them. Yeah, left tackle, low risk, high reward. I feel like that , that's exactly what we did with PlayD last year. I'm in love with the idea of having this athletic crazy quarterback. Jake: Yeah, since you're... Since you're... Well, let's have other signings like Kirk go. Still there. Justin: Still there. Jake: Haven't done anything with him. Justin: No, they should be looking to trade, and him a Jake: The law still hasn't signed and he should be in Houston. Justin: Romo's still in Dallas. Jake: But he should be in Houston. But he's still in Dallas. Because Houston shopped out, basically made the gift of the century, gave away the water back. It's not even a heist. It's not a trade. Justin: That was like a nickname that Mike Lombardi gave him. The heist. It's one way. No, no, no, no. The trade wasn't the heist. He's the heist. Because he... Stole all that money. Jake: No, the worst is the Eagles backed up who we were looking at. Chase, Chase Daniels, who threw one pass made like 11 million dollars. Justin: Yeah. Well, you know what? I don't think they realized when they signed him that they were then
09:02 Justin: going to make the move and then they were going to and then they were going to draft once and then realized, oh, shit, we have once who's going to start. So then they were able to get rid of Bradford and did a good job. They did great with that. And I think Wences knew it. And if your backup is making $11 million, but your starter's a rookie, you're in good shape. You actually are. You're in fine shape. It means you have a really good backup. And your starter is making pennies on the dollar. Jake: But nothing about Chase Daniel stands out as a really good anything. Justin: Knows the system. Came from the offen- the head coach was the offensive coordinator where he was. in Kansas City and played a little bit in Kansas City in Kansas City and played But came up under Andy Reid like you know these quarterbacks are generally okay the guys who come up and under Andy Reid He does really well with quarter back. They never go all the way and but they're usually pretty good. Yeah He's a good coach. He's a good offensive one Jake: I was talking to a Kansas City Chiefs fan the other day and about Reid and I was like, what do you feel? You look at the same thing that the Eagles fans it's like he's he's always competitive always pretty much always in it always get into Justin: The playoffs when the division almost every year, but they can't close the deal Jake: Yeah, and it sets his history. Yeah, is that a coaching thing is a literally a guy who can get you into the playoffs? Justin: Yes every year Marty Schottenheimer Yeah, there's another one Yeah, there are coaches that are just good enough to get you to a certain point, but not win. And then there's the guys who are really, really good who win, and then there's everyone else. Really good coach, I'd take him tomorrow. But odds are you're not winning the Super Bowl. Jake: You might not get there. He's gotten there once in. Justin: I know, but all that success that they had is really nice. I mean, Billy played in the NFC Championship game like four or five years in a row. Yeah, lost in four of them. Fine, I'll take that. It's better than four in 12. And I mean, they're good, they're good, bun team the watt like he's an offensive coach, but his teams are always good on defense too. So he's a good coach. Jake: I just I just wonder like, is it bad or is it luck? Do you meet up with the wrong? Justin: playoffs are in the Super Bowl and they lost by like three or whatever. Like they could have had him, but but you know McNabb kind of fell apart in the fourth quarter of that game. Oh that was a terrible one. He was like throwing up in the in the bottle. He was so nervous. Jake: So it seems like although the Jets are not admitting it but they're coming so close to admitting it which I kind of like. I'm kind of enjoying I'm enjoying this positive spin on this I'm enjoying they're not going off and just crazy spending money on you know one hit wonders And that's all for today, I hope you guys have a great week and good night.
12:00 Jake: You can have the attitude that is a tankier. This is a rebuild a true rebuild a rebuild through the draft a rebuild through the draft Justin: We're doing this year's draft like No You want to build through the draft? Okay, I'll spend the money two years ago. We had no choice because Idza didn't spend money Which is actually why Cleveland is perfectly happy to eat 16 million dollars for a bra cosplay Because it's like we're gonna suck anyway, and we have 14 draft picks. Oh fuck you Well Jake: What was the year that we had all the draft picks and it's a 12. It's a 12 right and when see a new one. That's it Justin: Calvin Pryor, I think they're the only two guys on the team. That's how you fucking lose. I mean, when you are a guy who's a numbers guy who accumulates draft picks and doesn't know who to pick. When you really fuck it up. I mean, God, that was a that needs a 12. Jeez. Jesus Christ. So anyway, it seems like they're kind of admitting, Jake: and for the team, I don't really wanna go into the season thinking, again, if they're not gonna spend the money, if they're just gonna build the draft, they don't have a lot of draft picks. Hopefully they gotta make a couple moves, because we need one or two more in like, Justin: They could trade out a six, you know? They don't need to pick six. I agree. I don't think the Jets need to pick six. But that's someone who wants it. it. Jake: You have and they have to know that you're not gonna pick because everybody knows you're you want to get out Justin: They can just leave you there be like, you know what if one of the if if like four net is sitting there at six That could entice some teams to come up and go get them, right? Cuz I don't I don't know if pick as much as I'd love to have a guy like him on the team He said he's gonna be a beast. I Don't know if a team like this If that would be like, you know having Todd Gurley like alright, he's a beast but it's a waste on the Rams, right? Cuz there's no quarterback. He's young. It's gonna take that quarterback like three years Before we maybe right like he may never be good might be terrible might just be awful and In that case you've wasted Jake: the best years of a running best years three years gone I mean yes, they can go four or five six years. Yeah, I mean there's some guys Justin: But but the way girly runs, you know, he's a hard hitter run through the middle type of guy He's not like a slash and cut Type of dude who's gonna try and avoid hits or whatever He's a lower shoulder and take some knocks and he's already and he had the bad knee coming out of college and I think there's the Jake: You know every time there's a guy in the number one and you like, you know the top
15:00 Jake: Running backs haven't been in the last three or four years running backs have not gone in the first round Justin: I mean very rare. No, it's come back the last couple years The last yes the last year on the last two years has been the resurgence Who was last year before girly and Melvin Ingram or Melvin Gordon? On San Diego who's excellent? Jake: Yes, but it took him like a year. Justin: Yes, in his second year he was excellent. It took him a year. Jake: That's what I just said, it took him a year. Whereas Elliot didn't take him a year. Justin: Well no, but he was running behind a fantastic offensive line with a great offensive coach and all that stuff. Jake: There's no point to us not just going out and getting a fantastic offensive line. Justin: Yeah, but I don't know if you need it at six. I don't believe it at six. I feel like you can get out of there. convince somebody like who has You know, maybe the Raiders or something, you know, the Raiders just let Latavius Murray walk So our mutual fan Jake: mutual fan friend of the of the Jets He made a good point. We're talking that we were traveling makes good points like once in a while He does but he made a good point which I thought was who are the five teams picking ahead of us? I don't even know. Well, let's think about it. Cleveland 49ers, Rams, and Chargers. There's two more. Chargers and. Justin: Chargers sound right. Is it Tennessee? Jake: Maybe. The point was, of all those teams during the offseason already, haven't they already, like all those teams have improved? . Meaning they've all done something in the prop to be a better team where the Jets have done nothing since that point They are not they're not better. Oh, yeah I mean in theory were probably work rounds 49ers bears Jaguars Titans in theory were probably worse, right? Justin: So we caught a bunch of guys Jake: Hey, Browns, are they a better team than they were last season? Justin: I don't know. Jake: I think they I think they are. Justin: Lost her out prior. Yeah, that's true. They still don't have a quarterback unless they're really going to play. Jake: Osweiler, 49ers. Justin: What they do got a new head coach. Jake: Got a new head coach and signed. She hands the quarterback. Justin: Yeah, they signed Brian Hoyer. That's not a quarterback. Well, they still have Kaepernick Bears they signed a bunch of guys. Bears did sign people. Okay, but also cut Jay Cutler's I don't know. I don't have but they don't have a quarterback. No, they did they signed they signed somebody. Yeah, they signed Mike Glennon Who is saying that's signing Mike Glennon. This guy wasn't is he better than Jay Cutler? At this point maybe. My argument against Mike Lennon is that oh he was so good when he played as a second year player that he earned the box the first overall
18:00 Justin: pick when they then picked his replacement. It's my argument against Mike Lennon. If he was good first of all you wouldn't be picking first and if he was good they wouldn't have picked the quarterback. Jake: She's not good. I'm not. I don't want Meg Gunnan on my team. I'm just saying that's not really an improvement to me. The point was like looking around the league the Jets are really not doing a lot in the free agency anyway to kind of get better. What's the point though? Oh that we could be picking number one next year that like all these teams could win more games than we could next year if we go under the current if you just look at it now. I can see the Browns winning one or two more games with Brock last wire then they don't play each other So that'll be a big game. There you go. I could see the 49ers winning one or two more games They'll definitely the Niners will definitely Jaguars you think there's the best team on the planet I think they're gonna improve there. Oh, I don't hear a win the division. Do I hear a win the vision? Mmm Justin: I hear when the vision. Oh, I really really like the Titans Jake: Okay, well they're picking they got the Rams pick so it I think the point was You know, I thought it was kind of interesting I think the Titans are gonna win that we could be on the way to the first pick next year Onto the current thing that this team hasn't really gotten any better than it was at the end of John worse Justin: I think we don't I mean last year I mean as bad as Fitz was you could say at least he was like we know he could start games and win them We have no clue right we literally have no flipping idea At all about what's gonna happen in quarterback. We don't even know who it's gonna be No, let alone if they're gonna be any good nope the running back situation for Taser you're older Powell's still good, but whatever just use don't have Brandon Marshall You just so he's gone deckers. Yeah, Decker's injured. I don't know if he's ever gonna come back So you have a lot of young guys who drop a lot of O lines not as good as it was at the start of last year Jake: Right don't have Nick mangled don't have man gold don't have clay D Justin: Well, let's say the clay wasn't like don't have Giacomeini although we didn't really have him for much, right? But you're gonna be Going very young on the offensive line. I don't mind being young on the offensive line. Young and talented. Jake: I don't like young. Justin: It's young and hopefully coachable. No skill position players. On defense, the secondary is the thing. I feel like all the other areas are fine. It's the secondary is an issue. We have like not we're not a linebacker speaking the secondary right we have more Morris Claiborne we we signed from the Cowboys That's I guess our number one corner right now and this guy has never played 16 games in the season ever in his career He was like the sixth overall pick five or six years ago He's definitely a scheme fit because he's a man-to-man corner But he gets hurt every single season.
21:01 Jake: Yeah, he's paid 15, 10, 4, 11 and 7 games. Justin: That's not good. He's going to get hurt again. Yeah, that's not good. That's not even a question. That's like D. Mill He was always going to get hurt Jake: Oh my god, D. Milliner Justin: Well he was a top ten pick But he was always going to be hurt We don't know what the contract is. coming off. I can't imagine it's a very lucrative contract. Jake: No, not the way the Jets have been spending. Which again, I'm not totally against what they're doing. I think it actually goes in the face. It goes against what most teams, the kind of churn and burn, which is the... trying to rebuild every year to try to be somewhat competitive, but this team kind of knows. And I think that means that McEagnon and Bowles know long-term that they are that, well, there's no long-term. Justin: Yeah, but they have at least two years. Jake: They have two years. They've got this year. To show improvement. Justin: I think they have two years to show improvement and that they're on the right track So does so did the guys that they drafted two years ago like anyone that they drafted high Like Leonard Williams. He needs I think he's On his way there, right? So Williams Lee and then anyone that they they've really invested in Jake: Kevin Smith Justin: Those are misses to me. So far. Those are like a complete disaster. Jake: Yeah, pretty cool. A disaster. Justin: Because a guy who got picked in the fourth round fucking went to the playoffs and looks like the next greatest thing. But the. That's bad. That's that's missing. That's totally missing because you were picking the position and you weren't gonna pick it in the first round You're gonna pick it in the later rounds And you totally missed. You missed. Jake: Yeah, I don't know. I think it's only missed if he sucks. We don't know if he sucks yet. Justin: It's a complete miss if he's not anywhere near as good as Dak Prescott. Jake: Yes, and Dak Prescott's year one versus Hackenberg's year one is that looks really bad. Let's check Dak Prescott's year five. Dakenberg versus. Dakenberg. Justin: Versus Hescott? Jake: Hescott. Let's check him year five. I mean, again, you can't. We could have looked at the, all right, go back to the Sanchez year. Who are the quarterbacks drafted in the Sanchez year? Justin: It was Matt Stafford one Sanchez and Josh Freeman were three first round picks. Jake: That was, what about later in the draft? Justin: Don't know. Jake: The point is I'm guessing. And in any draft, you'll find a guy that was drafted lower that outperforms a guy who's higher.
24:04 Jake: But in the beginning, but then in the overall, would you rather have those that person for the Justin: last 10 years? The fact of the matter is they were drafting a guy to redshirt. Anyway, he was made. apparent and in my opinion like the Cowboys were also drafting Dak not out of need but out of totally like all right you'll be the backup and then maybe maybe you'll take over who knows Jake: but then they let him play well they didn't let him play tell him got hurt yeah but they signed a Justin: veteran and they could have said well fuck this you know we're gonna play the better and then they signed it was Sanchez but but you're not winning but but Kellen Moore got hurt like guys got hurt to and an opportunity. Jake: But I don't think they didn't make that decision. Justin: And but the Jets had two quarterbacks get hurt. Or at the very least, they they benched one of them, right? Fitz. OK, you're done. You're benched. Right. Gino tears his ACL in the first game back. So two quarterbacks that were ahead of him on the on the on the on the roster Jake: the and A gets fucking hurt. Justin: Dude, he's been preparing the whole year. Jake: No, he barely had any snaps. The guy was in fucking... Justin: Yeah, but he should be like knowing what the fuck is going on. Jake: No, he's not preparing though. That would have been the worst decision ever. And Ray Lucas on the fucking show. He's always like, why would you let him see? Because there was no point. That team was a shit show. Trashfire. You don't throw in the guy on the left. Yeah. Week 5? Fine. But the last game of the year, nothing he could have done would have been good. It would have been nice to have a little experience. No, that's not experience. It is experience is starting now. All the mini camps, all the whatever that's experienced. Justin: And when he's ready to play, by the way, you know, he was the fourth guy and all of them were out like fits was pulled. Geno got injured. Petty couldn't stay on the field. So instead of going to number four, the only fucking team on the planet to carry four quarterbacks, we go back to the guy who we bench. Shows a lack of confidence. If you ask me, I think that's because they didn't complete lack of Jake: confidence telling him, this is not what's going to happen. Lack of confidence. Well, I. I think getting that guy in there and having the Cowboys said fuck it. Justin: You're a fourth round pick. Well, there are guy got hurt. Jake: You said it in preseason. Two guys got hurt. Listen, I'm I'm on the bandwagon of the fucking worst mistake that's ever been made by this administration of our of our team is two years ago. Punch Punch.
27:00 Jake: Give it to Petty. That's it. They should have never even fucking. This Patrick says fuck this team for multiple years. He's fucked this team and that decision fucked us. No, it didn't it Justin: Absolutely did it really didn't that team was built to not be rewind rebuilding. They were built to win They were two years ago Great, they didn't they did they want to hang the playoffs, but they want 10 games. I don't care Most years that's a playoff game most years in the AFC East is not No, the AFC East, you're right, you're not winning your division, but in the AFC, you're getting in the playoffs. It fucked us completely. It did not. Here's the... I can't, no, I will not listen to this irrational nonsense. It's not rational. Why would you want a guy to go in there and play two years ago when last year... You wouldn't have wanted a guy to go in and play. Well, because listen. It makes no sense. Jake: Listen and you'll see. No. Just listen. No, I don't. Well, I don't ask a question if you don't want to hear the answer. No, I didn't ask a question. You just did. You said why? I answered it myself. Justin: It was rhetorical. I said it makes no sense. No, it makes perfect sense. It makes no sense. Jake: There's a difference between starting a quarterback who's done nothing all season, who is supposed to be red shirted. for the last fucking game on a losing team that's fucking packed up their lockers and starting a guy you just picked in the fourth round, starting him instead of a has-been, letting him get experience in the preseason, letting him play out the season so we know at the end of the season whether we have a quarterback or not. Justin: But now we know we know we don't know anything we know we know we have petty No, we don't have a penny why you watched him play you couldn't tell you what he's not He wasn't very good in the two and a half games. He played why do you only play two and a half games? Well, he got hurt and why'd he get hurt? I don't know cuz he can't fucking play Cuz he got smacked around in front of what offensive line doesn't matter didn't get smacked around. Yes, he didn't get hurt He didn't get hurt. He didn't even the season before he didn't get it. But he didn't miss a game He missed the game was thumb. He didn't miss a game. He did never miss the game Didn't miss a game. Oh, yeah. He had the bye week didn't matter last year. He didn't miss cuz he was hurt He didn't get knocked around you get sacked like crazy. He did. No, he didn't he knew how to get rid of the football Because his O-line wasn't there! So he put a roof back there. But Hedy got sacked like 11 times in that game. That is like, asinine. That is like, I don't know what I'm looking at. Holy shit, holy shit. Boom. Punch in the face. That's right, I'm not ready. Damn right I'm not ready. And you wanted him to start the year before! So then he would have gotten ready. When he was super ready. He was totally ready. When Mac went out and maxed out the contracts and brought in Marshall and brought in Revus and brought in all these dudes to play on that team to actually try to win, you want to start a fucking fourth round? Yes. Because because the only thing that this team doesn't have Jake: has been the cycle of of fuck a dude is quarterback.
30:02 Jake: And you got to keep playing them until you find it. And not the last guess what? Justin: I'm certain I am certain that they watched him play in the off season right now. I'm certain that they watched him in the off season and said, hmm, not ready. Not ready. Jake: Or, they, or, like this administration has shown us. Justin: Please stop calling them an administration. Like this. Jake: They're not an administration. Staff, they are. Like this staff has showed us, they'll listen to players. Who's to say that when Geno Smith got hit in the face. that all the players didn't throw little hissy fits like they did when they wouldn't resign, you know, wouldn't resign fits. They look, they fucking let the players run the team. Justin: You cannot admit, and there's something mentally blocking you from doing this. You can't admit. You can't hold what happened. What? You cannot hold what happened in- Jake: One full sentence, please. case. Justin: You can't hold what happened in the 2016 season against Fitzpatrick's 2015 season. He had an excellent season. He broke records for the team. He played very good football. Jake: Which you always say, well they were records for us but not records for any other team. Justin: Jake. Jake: Yeah. Justin: He played very good football. I agree. They won a lot of games. I agree. They were as good as they had been in years, and they scored a lot of points. Jake: But they set us up to do exactly what happened, which is are we better off as a team in 2017 or not? Justin: We were probably in the same place. No. As if you started Petty. No. It's the same thing. Jake: Here's the difference. Listen, the scenario is you start Petty. He's absolute total trash that year. Then instead of drafting in the second round and drafting Hackenberg, you go and get. it. the person you need to get you go get and first of all you're picking a much higher to a better shot Justin: at a better quarterback. But the best quarterback and this draft went in the fourth round it wouldn't Jake: have mattered. It doesn't I don't care. It wouldn't matter where you pick. We could have gotten whence. Justin: But I'd rather have Prescott thank you. Again yes. Jake: Then then fire the Justin: Scouts and the team because they missed on it everyone did and they really did because they drafted a quarterback to redshirt So they'd should have picked him Right, they fucked up and it wouldn't matter where we picked you don't have to pick in the top two But we would have known you didn't have to pick in the top time is we're exactly where we shouldn't be Well, wait wait if two years ago, yeah, and we I can't stand the fact that we continue to talk about this But two years ago You start petty and he's awful and he's just not ready. Okay, we're only four we're 0 and 4 We just bring in Reavis big money. We just bring in Marshall big money We're bringing in superstars and they're still like at a high top level Reavis was still there two years ago He lost his step
33:00 Justin: Last year, but he was still he was still ranked very highly two years ago I think but oh and Marshall did have 1500 yards and double digit touchdown. So you had a fucking season So did we're Owen we're Owen for you with petty starting. Yep, you're telling me they're not gonna pull him and just put Fitz in anyway Jake: Oh, at that point? Yeah. Justin: He's not going to continue to play him. He's a rookie head coach with the All-Star lineup. He's not going to go. Oh, and 16. All the reason he's going to get fired. No, he would have gotten fired. Fired. He would have gotten fired, dude. They just spent all this money. He would have gotten fired. Well, then their plan. And it would have been because. Yeah, it would have been because they would have played petty. Jake: So they should have gotten fired for. for playing Fitzpatrick. No, because they went 10 and 6. But 10 and 6 gets you nothing if you end up doing nothing with it. We have nothing to show for 10 and 6. There's no there's no you know what Justin: only only only one team gets anything every year and it's the team that wins the Super Bowl. Making the playoffs is important. Is it? Okay, so 10 and 6 is important. What do you want me to say dude? You can't say it both ways. Well, it's not important. The team, yes. They brought in these players to play. They brought in a veteran team. You can't have a fourth round pick. Jake: No, they didn't. They didn't bring in a veteran team. Yes, they did. They absolutely did. They brought in a lot of veteran players. Justin: They brought in Gilchrist. They brought in Reavis. They brought in Screen. They brought in Marshall. They brought in Decker the year before. They had a veteran. Team. Jake: Well, Decker was from the previous person. Justin: One year before, but they had a veteran team. That was D-Brick on the line. You've got like one year. We thought maybe like, oh, maybe a couple of years left. Actually, just that year. You got mangled on the line. You just signed Carpenter to play guard as a stronghold. You got Giacomini on the right side. I'll see you next time. It's a veteran team ready to roll. You go out and you have older running backs. You don't have younger players. Jake: And you know what they were hoping was going to bring that veteran team, that great quarterback, that was the number one quarterback, that was the starter all through the preseason and all through training camp, who was the starter, who was going to bring that quarterback to the top? Genosman! Justin: Genosman! But you don't think they would have benched him for Fitz at some point? Oh, I think they would have benched him for Petty. They wouldn't have. Yes, they would have. It's so wrong. When they bench fits in 2016 for performance, they didn't bench him for petty. Jake: It's like giving it to me. Justin: You're basically saying that the coach is an idiot. Jake: I think that was one of the dumbest moves I've ever seen. Justin: Then why do you think he's going to be any smarter about it now? Jake: Well, I think eight. Hopefully people learn from mistakes. And he learned from the quarterback fiasco. go. Justin: He's a pretty stubborn dude. Jake: Well, I hope he learned. That was just dumb. You draft a guy in the fourth round. Justin: Yes, he's not your quarterback. Really? Dak Prescott dropped the fourth round. Could have been because the starter got hurt and the backup got hurt. So he was the number three quarterback. Jake: Great. They should have punched. They should have. He should have double punched.
36:01 Jake: Gino and Fitz the same time because we knew Gino we knew Fitz was being signed as the backup to play as the backup Justin: He should stay the backup to play as the backup to everybody Jake: No He was the backup to play and he was supposed to be there to help Gino and to be a you know Justin: Because Gino didn't have guys with him. He was brought listen. He wasn't brought him. He was brought in by the by the By the GM who had him the year before in in Houston. He knew what he was he liked him Jake: He had a good season Justin: Petty wasn't having that season Gina wasn't having that season and the Jets weren't having that season and they spent money to win and go to the playoffs and they were a quarter away. Jake: Then you know what, then don't spend money to go to the playoffs if your answer at quarterback is either Geno Smith or Ryan Fitzpatrick. Justin: Let me put it this way, they were on fire. I agree. If they were to beat in the Bills in that game and he wouldn't have thrown three picks in the fourth quarter, basically had a bad quarter because they were coming back and winning all those games, they would have made a run. one. That team was ready to roll. They were on a roll. Yeah and yet you said Brandon Marshall, Jake: what's wrong with Brandon Marshall? Always never been, never been in a playoff game. What's wrong with Fitzpatrick? Never been in a playoff game. So then now you're like they're gonna roll? They Justin: were gonna roll that team. They had something. You like have weird things. They had something going. Jake: You're like these guys are long-term losers and the next minute like they can put it together. Where are we? We just wasted 37 minutes. yelling at each other about quarterbacks. Wait, you're just wrong on this. Wrong on Sonic the Fitzpatrick. Wrong, wrong, wrong. All right. What do you write on though? Anything? What else do we do? So we got Quayborn, we got Beecham, we got Cottonzaro, you're not happy about the kicker? Justin: No, I think you had a good one. Both of you better. Jake: Just money, that's all it is. We didn't pay $3 million, we paid a million a half. Justin: We should have a kid that we have last year that worked in a group who was on our team in the preseason that was sort of challenging and full but kept making mistakes in the mat in the preseason. He made it was a new time to do the contract. Jake: Yeah? We should have him do a lot of stuff? Justin: He's in your better. Let's see if he can... Oh, he's in your better! Oh, hey, if you want, if you want Petty to play. Jake: Uh, yeah, I don't- Justin: Let's get a kicker in there. Jake: I don't want Penny to play. I want to see- I want to watch these two quarterbacks get a shot. Justin: I think we're gonna see them both get a shot. And I think there'll be another game. Jake: As long as he's oldie mick old fuck who doesn't play. Justin: Penny, rookie mick works there. Jake: Well, there's really a good start and they out. That's the easy thing. I think if I'm a quarterback being drafted, I'm like, please just draft me because I'm not up against any competition like for Dak Prescott. He thought he's going to. I'll never start like we're almost here. Everybody loves him. Justin: I'll start. Jake: No, no, because what happens is they go through this. What happens to the Patriots?
39:00 Jake: They draft a guy. He sits behind Brady for years, he does maybe some preseason games, closes out week 17, and then his four years are up, and then they get rid of him. Justin: Romo's got like, you know, last year, he knew Romo had like two years of him. Yeah. That's the dude's job, you're building him back. Jake: I understand, but when you got two years in, and you're looking at your fourth... Fourth... Draft in the fourth round, the guy who's never seen play, you're like, oh, let's go get a first rounder because we're the Cowboys. He locked out, I mean, trust me, that guy is awesome and I love the story he locked out. If I were the quarterback, wanted to be drafted, I like, yeah, I want to go up against Hackenberg who's never played and Petty who I saw play, he doesn't look very good. Like, let me compete against those two. Versus coming in and competing up against anybody good. Justin: Let's try to get him first. To Sean. Jake: The only thing about that is, like, it's still too many. It's still too many. You gotta count one. Shut up. Shut up. Um, is there anything more on this? Or are we just gonna get out of here? Alright, let's get out of here. Alright, well, Win's Draft. Draft Weekend is... Justin: Is this shit recording? Yes. Are you sure? Yes. It's red, it's won's glue. Now it's red. Jake: Should be blue That's good, it's red. We'll figure it out in post. All right. Well Jake Justin you're the worst fucking podcaster on the planet All right, happy St. Patrick's Day And as always, KJAS. Thank you.