2015 Training Camp

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00:20 Jake: Welcome to the Jek Kingdom podcast, the longest running New York Jets podcast ever. I'm Jake and I'm here to talk about speak the fuck up. Oh, I was gonna say a big a joke like how you died and how it's been like so sad. Justin: That's so funny. Yeah, it's so funny. You're so funny. You know how I died? Traveling in a car at 144 miles an hour smoking marijuana with a 12 year old kid on my lap. And a gun. Well, that's how I died. We crashed. The gun went off, shot me and the kid. We're dead. Jake: So we're back. It has been... Little bit of time. I think it's been since may Justin: Fuck you guys we don't care terrible terrible Jake: Well for downloading see you later see in three months We're back we're gonna be back more in a normal schedule during preseason and obviously hard knock starts next week Golly so much to talk about So, by the way, let's do some checks. Uh, you're paying me? You still a Jets fan? Still a Jets fan. Okay, good. Justin: Just bought a new winter hat. A new Jets winter hat? A Jets winter hat on Amazon. I was just cruising on Amazon and I was like, eh, what else do I want to buy? I just typed Jets hat. Nice. Got a $7 hat on Amazon Prime. It was a really nice one. Yeah. Really happy about it. Thank you. Jake: I have, uh, the wife has been really coming through with the jet swag rape. This is bullshit. I know, it's so bullshit. I get nothing. You deserve nothing. You get what you deserve. Fucking fucks. So we're back. We're gonna, training camp started. We got things to talk about, so we're just gonna get right into it and go through whatever we can remember. It's happened in the last, what's it, May, June, July? I mean, it's been three months. Justin: It's been a really long time. Jake: We've got mini camps and sub mini camps and other camps. Let's talk about the big thing that's happened between the two times, really. We're flipping up the schedule here or the agenda, which is really the Brady news. I mean, that's sort of the... Oh, you want to do that first? Well, that's the NFL thing. That's not even Chet's news. What is the NFL thing? It's the thing that everybody's been talking about, I think, for the last four months. Justin: I don't want to be that podcast. I was just going to bury that at the bottom. Well, let's bury it at the top. All right, fine. It was very like Tom Brady and the douche. He deserves. Jake: Do you think he did or not? Just let's just do that. Justin: Do I think he did? Jake: What do you think that he he coordinated with those people to make sure that the balls were more to his liking? Yes. OK, me too. Justin: That's it. I don't care. and I 100% believe that he as part of the Patriots culture will do anything to win and will even cheat if they know they won't get caught.

03:08 Jake: Well if they know they will get caught you mean Justin: Well in this case he's probably done this more than a few times. Yeah I just think it's actually like the colds were the ones who thought that they did it the last time they played which is why it Jake: Even got brought up on the Ravens thought that they did too. They the Ravens dude. He totally did it Justin: Ah, he did it. He totally did it Jake: In my rule book that they're supposed to be like a $25,000 fine. I feel like They're slamming them, and I just I'm not sure they slam him cuz he did some other bullshit. Well. He didn't cooperate Justin: They didn't cooperate he destroyed his well that him out. We saw a dumb Joy, why you destroy your phone as though destroying the physical phone does anything to the stuff that was actually on the phone That's right all that stuff in the clouds. It's all in Jake: Anyway, so as of right now he's out for the first four weeks. Let's just talk about from a Jess perspective what does that mean for us nothing no it does no it It does because it doesn't when he comes back a he's going to kick the living shit out of the next couple teams Justin: He plays which is us. Yeah, so that's all it affects but from the rest of it, I feel like they Will go one in three or two and two and then they'll be just fine Jake: I'm actually just I'm kind of excited just to see Jimmy Garoppolo because this is As of right now the heir apparent Although and so I'm kind of interested like if you know if this kid's good or if they're you know That'll be good. Like, wait, wait. Like, Gino I asked. Like, Gino. Like, suck ass like Gino? Yeah, all right. All right, that's terrible Alright, so let's talk about the I guess the biggest news for the Jets over the offseason and going into training camp Mark Sanchez Suckches I suck just back on the team. No, he's with the Eagles Justin: I I'm excited to see him win that quarterback battle You just keep on dreaming. Which is really the Sheldon Richardson news. So again, two bombshells here. Two. Started with the four game suspension for the marijuana. Which means that was not the first time that they've said, hey Mr. Richardson, like, cut that shit out. Right. because they don't give you the four gamer and I should see him but... You know, maybe it will, but let's just see how good he is and we'll roll.

06:01 Justin: And then it's like, oh, he got arrested. Or not arrested, like... Arrested. Jake: ...arrained? But no, that's one of the charges against him. There are many charges against him. Like what? Driving at 141 miles an hour. Justin: Was he driving or was he a passenger? I don't know. Well, there's a very large difference. Jake: Having the cops described it as the place that smelled like... No, he was driving. Are you sure he was driving? Justin: Are you sure he was driving? Do I have to look this up? No, you don't. Just trust me. Trust me. I'm not gonna trust you because you're kinda dumb. Let's just get down to this. Jake: This means this kid could not play for us this year. I'm not buying. It's completely possible that... Because we're not talking a first offense now. We're talking a third or fourth offense. And the endangerment of children with a 12 year old. The pot, not good. The guns, not good. The resisting arrest, not good. Yeah, so he was driving. Yeah, he was. Justin: 143 miles an hour. Endangering a child. A Bentley. Yes, yeah, yeah got pulled over he ran a red light after pulling off the highway turn the headlights off and began Basically like parked in a driveway right tried to like pretend wasn't driving. There was a 12 year old kid with two other adult men and Basically they had a gun Legally. Dude, that's a thing. It's not a thing. Well, it's not illegally having a gun. It's in this country, you can have a gun and it's either legal. And the other thing was that one of the officers on the scene said that there was an a strong odor of burned marijuana. Burned. I guess that means having already in the car and then the Jake: So no, it's not actually anything over like 80 is is is engaging in danger Justin: of a child Are you trying to downplay this I don't know why you're doing this trying to say what could and could not happen Yeah, he has evaded the gun and drug charges because there was no actual evidence of drug use, right? They just said it smelled right but

09:03 Justin: He could get charged with endangering the welfare of a child. Yep. But then again the prosecutor decided that there wasn't enough evidence to take it to court. Okay. Um, he could get a year in jail or a thousand dollar fine. Jake: But you understand that the difference between what the, the legal system does and what are completely Justin: Disconnected the NFL the NFL usually new yaks. No, they usually react After it plays out in court, which is why laVie on Bell is Suspended this year for three games and not last year when he got arrested with Lagera blunt doing what the drugs What we do is he doing he got caught with the drugs in a car in a car speeding Mmm think they were just smoking. Okay, so here's me but maybe not legal But It happened last season they the NFL always waits. That's not true They don't always wait if there's something questionable legally they always wait they do not want to react before the person's like found Jake: Not guilty of something they always do it. All right. My prediction is they'll Justin: Next-year you might have to face it. In I mean, I'm just I'm You're flabbergasted. Just suck it up dumbass suck it up dumbass Jake: I think there's a possibility it's a slim one, but I think there's a possibility he doesn't put he never plays another down for the Jets Justin: Well, I think you're dead wrong. We'll you want bet on it. Hey, how'd that last bet we did go? What the Russell Wilson vs Colin Kaepernick contract value Yeah, I won that one. You won that one. That's true, you did. Congratulations. Congratulations. My boy Russell. Yeah, I love Russell. I wish that they would have just let him hit free agency. Oh my god. We couldn't afford it. I had to cut everybody. Jake: Alright, let's talk about actual training camp because training is going on for a couple days now. Week almost. We have... Alrighty, the one thing you don't have to do over every year is like you only want to get through training camp, see how people perform, see, you know, have new guys rise, rookies do well, etc, etc. But the one thing you don't want is people to get hurt. Justin: And we already have two, but not... In the scheme of things, we're doing alright in the end. It's seven days! You've seen guys are already out for seasons. Oh, that's true. Well, there's people in the off-season out for seasons. Like, we have none of those situations. Holy Jesus.

12:00 Justin: What was that? That's me knocking on wood. That's not wood. It's wood-ish. It's not wood. You want me to pull out my junk? Alright, sorry. It's been a while since we made gay references on the podcast. I know. I like to throw those in there every once in a while. So why don't we start with our injured Mo Wilkerson situation. Not only is the little hammy day to, day, no big deal. I imagine if it was like game time he'd be out there, but at the same time he could be like yeah Hammy hurts Sheldon's out maybe out for a while Would like a new contract Jake: I think that it puts Mo Wilkerson it's kind of in his swing so Mo woke I think was in the driver's seat for a while then Leonard Williams got drafted I think that was the Jets going now by the way they look brilliant for drafting always draft the best player available they did and now where it looked like we had all this you know these people well we could be without Sheldon Richardson and Mo Urkelson could be someone who's not around because of the contract but now Mo Wilkes back in the deck he's like yeah Sheldon not only is he out for four games probably out for another set of games no that's your opinion and but do you really want this dumbass on your team? Yeah, he's great. Yeah, he's a dumbass though. He's great. He's two fees. He's not far away from not playing great fine Okay, so I think he's in a better position. Don't you think I agree. I think mowoke has the Justin: Mowaker sin has the advantage In the he's got the leverage. Yep in the negotiation table and Do you think they'll get something done before the season starts? I don't. Do you think they're gonna ride the whole season? Well, they're gonna stop talking once training camp is over. And at that point you generally do stop talking. Right. And they'll just franchise him and then try and get a deal done during that time. Right before he's franchise well during that time between when you do franchise a guy and then when that it's right It's the beginning of training campus when they all these guys are training camps like a week before usually to like I don't know how it works. If you don't sign it like I don't think Jason Pierre Paul signed his with the Giants Jake: No, he's making a dumbass. Oh god cola colossal dumbasses like your mom the Giants. I'm like good riddance later Justin: Like why why why bother with that guy? He's not even that good anymore No, he hasn't been good for a couple years. We had that monster season and now everyone's like, okay He's a really good athlete. Let's just block him and there's no Justin talk on the other side to make it harder like You know, it just he's he's just not that good. He's no JJ Watt. No, he's no JJ Watt money. I'm sure Jake: Nobody deserves it. No, no, it's good. He's not getting JJ Watt money. No way So so training kit I've been reading sparse articles. I'm really digging in yet

15:04 Jake: I'm digging you've been here. You have QBs looking good. Okay, or you have okay, okay Which QBs? We have a whole bunch. Justin: Well, so far Gino and Fitzpatrick have really been the only two. Petty's look bad, actually, they said. But Gino hasn't thrown a pick yet, which is good. Fitz threw his first one yesterday, I think. And so far, they like what they're what they're seeing in the in the drills. And and. So far, the offense has actually taken a few of the days, they've said. They've won a couple of the, when they end the practice. I think they had the goal line drill, which is a big one. Whenever you see that one on hard knocks, it's like a big one. Everyone really cares. And the offense won the drill. They scored a bunch of times with Gino and Chris Ivory just running over people. Oof. So yeah, I've been reading Gino's been looking good. Chris Ivory's been looking really good as looks like he's gonna be the starter. Yep. Going into the season it looks like you can't really tell till they play a couple of these preseason games in particular. Oh yeah, we have one next week. Jake: Next week next fucking week. Are we home at lions? No, all right two weeks. We go. We're going Falcons nice on the Justin: 2021st throw that on the calendar. It's already on my calendar 21st night Friday. So oh, that's great Friday night awesome. Nice. We'll get out of here like three two two one one Fuck it, get there on Thursday. Get a hotel room. No, just camp out. Camp out, bring my tent. Free parking. So yeah, you can't really tell until they play a couple games. You want to see them in live action. I have to imagine when we see Gino starting, playing a couple series, maybe even the whole first quarter in the first game, maybe playing closer to almost the first half in the second game, and then... into the third quarter against the Giants in that third game. What I don't want to see though, is, you know, we always play the Giants and the Eagles, right? Game three and four. We play them this year, so I don't want to see any like giveaways on the schemes and anything. Please give away our schemes. Well, they're all different. It's like you do have to re-scout the Jets. You can't look at like, all right, let me look at the last six years for their defense, because it's gonna be the same. Jake: Right. It's gonna be different. It's all gonna be vanilla though. Everything, they know, we know that everything in preseason is very bad. Justin: I can't wait to see us get after the quarterback. I feel like we're gonna crush quarterbacks because guys are gonna be covered. Yep. And we have a great line. time. Jake: So I can't wait so are where are you in the thefts of sadness With G. No now, are you in acceptance? So there's anger who there was there was just crying uncontrollably

18:02 Jake: There was More anger and then Yeah, me too. I'm an acceptance. I mean, so you're not rooting. You're not kind of rooting for Fitzpatrick to do better. Justin: No, no, no. Last year, I was kind of rooting for Michael because I thought like he's a spark plug type player and you could win with him and he's won fits. I know you can't win with him. Like you just can't. You literally... Like you can win with him. You can't. You can't make it to the playoffs. He's not that player. He's never done it. He's been in the league long enough. You know he's not. He's a plug and play. Like I've got an injury. I need a guy to start for two weeks. Plenty good at that. Don't want him to be my starter for 16 weeks. I just don't know I'd rather see Gino fail for 16 weeks I don't care. I rose advice petty. That's fine. I That's fine, but it but if things are going well with Gino say we're like, you know five and two Right and say he gets injured. How are you hanging out with Richardson? Say we're five and two and he gets injured and it's like ooh High ankle sprain looks like he's gonna be out like two weeks maybe or whatever. I Jake: Don't want to see Bryce petty at that point. No, no, no, I have no interest in seeing Bryce No, you know at that point Bryce petties the seasons lost. Yes season's lost because of Gino. Yeah Justin: That's the price over it's Bryce, but he's like the Greg McElroy Like yes, like just whatever right get sacked 20 times. We don't care Jake: No, I'm trying, you know, he's been Gina was featured on the making the leap On a blog on the NFL. There's just been a lot of like there's been he's been features one of the worst quarterbacks in the league. He's been, you know, it's like, there's a lot of stuff out there, you know, the Chan Gilly, the quick offense, it's gonna help him. I mean, I'd love to believe, but I remember feeling so angry at the end of last year and just seeing how bad it got to a certain point, especially that that Bill's game, just seeing how bad it was. And we're just talking about. it. Overthrowing wide open people. Oh my god. That was the worst ever that or sitting there and it's like again Justin: Again, right? Oh my god. It's hard to get that stuff out of your head Then he goes and throws for like seven thousand yards against the Dolphins perfect game. He has the perfect game Jake: Yeah, he's the only quarterback do feel to ever have a zero and a perfect score Justin: I do feel like I so I'm gonna eat a little crow. I thought Marnie morning wag Was like a good fit for you. What do you trust? I did I trusted him But all of a sudden like the things you read the revisionist history part is like his offense was too complicated

21:01 Justin: It had a million plays anyone who played the Jets would tell you they could run they run like too much stuff, it's too complex. And then for a rookie to try and pick it up, it's like not, and it just isn't gonna work. And I feel like Changaly is more of a chameleon. Right. Like, hey, you wanna run a spread? I can run a spread. Right. You ran the spread in college? You wanna work from the shotgun? Let's do this thing. Jake: Could do that right cool with that why they chance had more success with Quarterbacks who don't have tons of talent and he's proven that I mean he made Fitzpatrick's get you know, sign of whatever Justin: Changelis had a very successful career over his over his he's been in the league a really long time I'm gonna Google him and see like where he's all been I feel like he was I feel like he was the offensive coordinator for like some of those Cowboys teams here. Let me look. Uh, did it that that that it had. All right. He was. All right. Teams as a coach coordinator. He was with the Broncos in the eighties. And then he was with the Steelers in the 90s He was with the Cowboys from 98 99 as a head coach He was with the Dolphins Back and forth. He was with the Bills. He's actually had two head coaching jobs So no, we'll see did those Steelers ever win anything 94 95 Steelers? doubt it Jake: Yeah, I'm not I'm not gonna get on any of the band wagons. I'm not gonna get on the you know, I'm not excited I mean It's the the thing is I'm excited about so many pieces of this team and when we got back to dreavus arivis I remember the best that moment and I remember saying to you and screaming in the streets like We could lose almost every game and I'd be happy because we're back on our team. Now, of course, that's come down a little bit. I don't want to lose now we were building this defense and you just you feel all this stuff's coming together but you just know it's all on this one position and it's one position that we have struggled with for years every single team and you're doesn't have a quarterback doesn't have a franchise quarterback says the same stuff Justin: The Bills are sitting up there with Rex Ryan and their defense their number one defense and whatever and they're like a legit chance Matt Castle's gonna start. Oof, legit chance that he wins that job. Jake: Right, and they actually, from not from training camp, but from the other. They have serious talent. Justin: They have serious talent. I mean, that was a top five defense last year without Rex. Right. We know he's gonna make him better. He does that. that. And on offense, they got McCoy. Yep. They have Sammy Watkins. And they have Percy Harvin out there. Jake: Yeah, I think Percy Harvin's whatever, but okay. Justin: He's a weapon. If he's your second receiver, he's a weapon on the field.

24:02 Justin: I'd rather have Marshall. With Greg Roman as the offensive coordinator, who's very creative with the running. So he's gonna be like doing all sorts of running shit with him. They just have a terrible offensive line. So I think they're gonna have a problem with the whole philosophy of ground and pound I just don't know if they're gonna be able to do that, right? But anyway, this is not a bills podcast. No, it isn't well see that near well You see any of these videos on now? I haven't You got to follow the Jets on like Like Instagram and Facebook and whatever. So they had like a, like almost a goal line. It wasn't really a goal line drill. It was like a fade route drill from like the five yard line or whatever. And it was just Marshall vs. Revas. Oh wow. And like. They went like for five times like Gino throwing the ball and like Marshall I think only caught one of touchdown. Okay, Reavis picked one and Then like knocked a couple away But it's like whoa those guys are going at it. Yeah That's how you get better. Jake: It's only making people better. It's only going to make Gino better. It's making Gino better. Justin: Hey, Gino, try to complete some passes against fucking Dorell Revis. Jake: I'm watching it now. Oh, are you? Yeah, there's like four or five passes. It's pretty good. Day five, rookies, veterans, reporter, Wednesday. That's it. Yeah, so Marshall lines up against Revis. Revis backs off. Hood, hood. Do the play-by-play. Hmmm...out route. Hell of a broadcaster. I'm watching! I said I've never seen it before. Justin: I'm not a fan. That's how broadcasting works when you're... I'm not a broadcaster. When you're doing the play by play you've actually never seen the game before. You have to actually do it on the fly. That's how it works. Jake: No, I don't do that. I watch games. I pay attention. You don't do shit. You don't watch them. I watch this later. Yeah, watch that later. It's a lot of fun. Justin: So, position battles, we don't have many. See you next week. Uh, quarterback, sorta, not really. I think Geno starting game one. There's only one real position battle, I think, um, which is right guard, not the sexiest of position battle. Because if you look at it, you know, D brick starting at left tackle. Yep. Uh, carpenter, the guy we signed from the Seahawks is going to be the left guard man gold. Obviously at right tackle, you got Jacomeini. He's going to start. right? If we play a fullback, it'll probably be Bill Hannon, right? If we even play one running back, I think I've reason to win that job Outside you've got Marshall and you've got on the other side. You got Decker. You got curly in the slot Yep, I'm a Smith Brokers rib Devon Smith broken rib Punctured lung hopefully we'll be back by like the they said he might be back by like the last preseason game Jake: This is by the way second year in a row that like we've had

27:00 Jake: Wide outs that we've drafted in that like get last year. We had Justin: With them, I think Shaq Evans was on the IR Immediately, but they said is flashing a little something in this in this great ever for whatever that means But on offense, the only tight end is gonna be Cumberland and Amaro. So... But... We've got this right guard situation. We've got Willie Colon, who's the incumbent. The incumbent. Which doesn't really bode well. It's like, that's how they list it. Like, he's the incumbent. Which means he's really being challenged. And there's like four guys challenging him. Right. So it's Winters, who was the starting left guard last year but got injured. Then there's Abushi who stepped in for him at left guard. So those guys both have a little experience playing. Then there's this guy Kvail, I can't really say his name right. And this... Ejalina guy who I can't really say his name either, but he's more of a tackle so I think he's a long shot my money is is actually on Abushi or Winters and Cologne gets cut. I think we are the way even they picked him up didn't they cut him they cut him Jake: They cut him and they picked him for like minimal. Yeah, I don't I think he's one of the last Cuts I think he's one of the people they bring in you want him around to make sure that the kids behind him are worth it Justin: If not, you keep them. He also might not be the right Personality fit for this coach right definitely was for the last coach But this coach might be like I don't like your penalties And I don't give a shit about your personality nonsense with your hard-headed bullshit Jake: He's also the one that he's been the one in the media He said he said you know we have a Ferrari and and Gino better not crash it Justin: I mean we don't need that so I could see him getting cut and I totally agree. I could see Winters winning that job since he's You know he beat Abushi out before and it's a different position, but I can see him doing it again Jake: Yeah, yeah I'm just excited. I'm just ready to get some football so excited. I can't wait for Justin: Like Tuesday's hard knocks And when's the Hall of Fame game? If you say we're playing next week, there's got to be like this weekend. Jake: This weekend. Oh, it's so cool. I know. Football's actually here. Football's back in our lives. Football's here. Speaking of things that are back in our lives. The Jack King of Bodgast. The Jack King of Bodgast is back. Thanks. We'll try to keep it up weekly as we go through the season. Justin: Well, I mean, we will do it weekly. during the season. Right. But I think as soon as preseason games start. Jake: This next week, you'll start hearing from us. There you go. We do some other announcements.

30:01 Jake: Again, we've done the Jet Kingdom Fantasy League. We are doing the Jet Kingdom Fantasy League again. Yes. But. People get to stay in so there's no more asking people to join unless we find out people are dropping Justin: And yeah, tell us please if you're in if you're gonna be out right cuz then we will get a replacement replacement by asking the rest of you what happened last year did you win it last year? No, I think so Jake: Really? I think I did. We also, we started- Justin: Yeah, can someone fucking come in here and beat one of us? Oh, I'll be good at this. This is bullshit. I'll be good at this. No, you already won two. I know, but I'll beat you this year. We've done this three years. I've won twice, you won once. And people are actually trying. Aren't they really? You guys are Jets fans. So pathetic. Jake: We're also doing the pick-up again, so if you want to play against us, remember during the season we do the pick-up and we pick every game. I joined. It's a Jet Kingdom Pick-up 2015 group. It's on Yahoo! Fantasy Sports. It's group 365. How do we do this on Yahoo? Why don't we do this on ESPN? Because I can just click go every year as it goes. Our league is on ESPN. I know. But so we like to spread the love around. So right now, there's a bunch of us there already. I like... Someone has named their team, He's waiting to decide his clever name of the year. All right, so that's always fun. special podcast in London this year. Well, maybe not. But we might. We might try. We need to figure out an easy way to do a remote podcast. Periscope it. Periscope our podcast. Justin: I feel like podcasts, people download and listen whenever they want. Jake: Next week, either before or after the preseason game, can't wait for football. So excited. Sorry took such a long time off X-Men 3 X-Men 3 X-Men 3 X-Men 3 X-Men 3 you