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00:20 Jake: Welcome to Jet King Podcast, longest running New York Jet Podcast ever. I'm Jake. Joining me? 253 times in a row. Yes Justin Justin how you doing, buddy? Hey, man Hey, man, I'm good. What's up? Good. We're coming off victory Victory victory and we skipped the week that we had the loss That was not done on purpose. No just shit happened. That was the Thanksgiving week. That's why yeah short week. It's rough It was. So we've got basically two games to talk about. Oh, we'll probably end up only talking about one of them. We got our pick them. We got the thrown picks. We'll get Keys the Castle for beating the bejesus out of the gents on Sunday. And then we'll get the fuck out of here because we only have, according to you, 31 minutes left. Yeah, about 30 minutes. 31 or 30? Yeah. once again, Justin. fucking up the podcast. Yep, that's me. But you get what you pay for. Yeah, that's true. Can't lie about that one. That's true, but when you used to report to me, I don't used to do this podcast. I wonder if I would make you do longer podcasts, because I could make it part of your bonus or something. No. No? No. He's not liking this conversation. All right, so let's get to- You're not liking the fact that this document just- died on me. Oh, sorry, bud. So let's talk about should we talk about the Houston game? Not much to see there. They're a hot team. They're a high defense. I think we created their hotness. No, they were they were on a I think a three game winning streak before they crushed us. I mean, I think they've won like five straight games, at least four. And they hadn't given up a touchdown in the previous two games. before they played us right we actually scored a couple and then they didn't give up another again like just this last week to the Saints they did not give up a touchdown to the Saints their defense is literally on fire right JJ Watt is gotta be the best player in the league and They're really good. So we're fighting with them now for this wild card situation and we've lost to them, which is not great but Hey, it's weird because the chiefs and The texans have sort of shot back up into if the season ended right now They'd be in the playoffs right those teams were like one and four. What the fuck? They were terrible Yeah, but you know what? They're not the chiefs aren't terrible and uston

03:01 Jake: Houston I think is playing out of their fucking mind right now. They're gonna come back to... There's something about that. There's no run game there. There's no quarterback. They've got a great receiver, but not a good... Their defense is solid, but I don't know. I just don't see it for them. So we got beat. I will say it felt really bad because I felt like that was a team that we should have... should have taken out behind the woodshed and beat and it just didn't happen. On the road, just not a good game. But let's skip to the really good game. Hey, you know what would be nice? If every week we could play the 2015 Dolphins, because not only did they not have one third down conversion in the first game we played them, It was like 13, they went 0 for 13. They didn't have one for then like nine times in the game that we just played them. So it was like almost a record of like 22 in a row that they could not have a third down conversion. Which is, this is again where I am as a Jets fan for all you actual Jets fans out there other than broadcasters over here. It's like I'm very confused by my team and I don't know. Are we a good team? Although I think I got you to answer this the other day. That has just underperformed a few times this year. Or are we just taking terrible teams and beating them, but then cannot beat a good team? So I have a good, just a great question for you. Do you think we can beat a good team? I do. Okay. We have not beat a good team this year. Well. It depends on what you consider good. Oh, winning record is first thing. Well, we beat Indy. Okay, they have a winning record. Um, we beat Washington handily. Yep. And they're first place team. They're okay. They're a first place team at least. Oh, they're tied, I think, with Giants. Well, they're actually in first place. And here's my barometer. We've only... been blown out once Whereas we've blown out Other team on dolphins twice. We blow out the dolphins twice. We blew out Cleveland We if you ask me we blew out indie we beat them by more than two scores or by two scores we Um, we only have, and we blew out Washington. We, we beat them by 14. So, but we've only lost one game by two scores and we haven't lost any games by more than two scores. Right. Every other game we've lost, including the Patriots game, we've lost by seven or less. So that means we're in games. we're not getting embarrassed, we're playing who's on our schedule, and we're in every game. And if something goes one way or the other, and that's just kind of the way it goes in NFL, some of it's luck sometimes, some of it's a bad call, some of it's a...

06:03 Jake: Played fucking Tom Brady and he's just gonna win and you know like that's just cuz he's the way it is You know and look if we caught that New England team the way that they are now Right it might be we might but again now we won't get healthy again, right? So it's like hey Brock ass whiler just beat them in the snow When the Patriots actually had like a number of things actually go against them right for the first time in 15 years right, but We've blown out the Dolphins twice, Cleveland, I mean... Coming off of a four-win season, this has been pretty good. Okay, okay, and I, you know what, I'm having, I'm struggling and I'm not hiding, and I'm not like, whatever, I'm struggling because part of me sees this team as just this stopgap to whatever the 2016 Jets are. With a quarterback that isn't our quarterback. And then part of me is starting to get in, this is where I always get hurt as a Jets fan, is part of me is starting to believe, and starting to think, wow, we could win a game in the playoffs, maybe we could win two games in the playoffs. Maybe Fitzpatrick is someone who, you know, that he could lead us to, maybe he could be our guy for next year. Maybe like we have a guy we could have for two or three years that could actually win us a couple games and get us far. Like I start to get those thoughts, and then I get, And then I go, oh wait, like I've seen this guy play, and he played the perfect game. For me, this was his game. By the way, last year, our second game against the Dolphins was when Gino played a perfect game. We're talking a perfect game. Yeah, but we hadn't beaten- And Gino's terrible. We hadn't beaten the Dolphins at home in a long time. That's true. I can't remember. That's true. We had not but they also are terrible. They are terrible, but Fitz played a pretty good game. I mean again, I don't think he's done it in any of the prejudices. closeness of the games that we're playing Like if you look at Tana Hill stat lining through for 350 and three touchdowns, but he played fucking awful, right? I'll tell you those were just garbage time. He played terrible I mean he had to throw about 58 times that is not the way the Jets win And they ran the ball for like four yards. Oh, they're running is terrible But that's the joke, it's because the week before, is Lamar Miller that terrible? No, because the week before he ripped it up. I think he ripped up teams this year. Yeah, like I feel like he's had some games where he's had some yards. You know, whether it's in the air or on the ground. I mean, he's had a couple weeks where again... We totally caught Houston at the wrong time because the Dolphins beat them 44 to 26 right and he ran for a box 75 on on Houston, right Why didn't we play that Houston say that the Dolphins threw up 44 right? All right, I way the dolphins fired

09:05 Jake: Their often. Oh, we're nators. So we are we play them They fire somebody we play them they fire and we've now beat them three times in a row because we beat them in the last Season we get the price. It's a good sweep Um, Fizz Patrick had the perfect game. He's my play- he's my, uh, uh... He's your player of the game? Player of the- we don't call it a player. We call it a- King of the Castle, whatever the fuck we call it. What do we call it? What do we call these guys? Oh yeah, I have it down here. We call it- How do we even know what we call people after all this time? Justin: We got a knight! It's the knight of the game. That- that- so what's your play of the game? I always go first. You're going first. Yeah. So you've got Fizz as the knight? What is your- what is your play? Jake: Yeah, cause I just- he played a perf- he played a perfect game. And I know that's not like it's not- Physically a perfect game right but anyway can we come up for touchdowns. What's your play and and also a drop touchdown? Might play the game. I'll go defense. No, I'll stay offense Was the ways was the ivory ivory just broken tackle run. It's a good one. It was just There are a lot of good plays in this game. I went back and so I was at the game, you were not, because you don't go to the dolphin games. And because you don't want to be around my wife and I. That's right. That's fine. And we true statement. So I went back and I, you know, sometimes on game pass, I watch the condensed and sometimes I watch the full two and a half hour. I watch the full because I was a it's just you see a different thing. And. It was fun to watch. I'm going to give it to Calvin Prior. Okay. The tone setter. Oh, yes. He really did. And he really was all over the place. Well, leave a. So you can kind of see like, hey, they really were missing him when he missed a couple of games because he's he secures that back end really, really well. And he does lay some good licks and he hit that guy on the first. And that was big time. And and I'll say Jeremy curly had a really big punt return because because we Were up at half. I think it was 2014 nothing and then and then immediately in third quarter. They went three and out And then it was, I think, a punt return, and then boom. We scored and it was 21-0 and I felt like from there that game was over.

12:12 Jake: Just dumb. There's no point. And even the guys on the, even the guys, the guys on the radio, the guys, the announcers on the TV were actually idiots. Like they were saying some stupid shit, but they were kind of funny. But they were like one guy, they would disagree. Dan Fouts has sort of lost it. He's a little out of it. He needs to go. So he'd be like, oh, you know, well you got. Yeah, you're setting a tone. You don't, and the other guy's like, no, you can't, no, you're, you got your own 40. Like you don't need to, like you have a good defense. It's the start of the game. Why give up momentum by, by doing that? And then the play was terrible. Like it just, I, that like, get into a guy that's seven yards behind, that has to run and then get to the seven yards. Controversial statement. Yes. Blah, pow, better short yardage runner than Chris Ivory. That's pretty controversial. He's actually better at it. I don't know if that's true. Rewatch the game again. Alright. Watch when they have like third and one situations and which guy did better in those situations. Alright, maybe. Alright, let's get to our picks for the week. You and your... so we're gonna do every game with the AFC East. We really have a little time so we're gonna do it quick. Yeah, we'll do it quick. And I have to do last week. Oh, I'm ahead of you. You are ahead of me but only by two. Yeah, so that means I'm good and how do you alright Thursday night is true of a good game that happens to be tonight We'll be watching so we have Green Bay at Detroit Two teams going in the complete opposite directions Green Bay favored on the road by three. I'll take the home team, Detroit and the three points. Give me Detroit, I think. They beat them the first time in Green Bay. They did, which could be a bad thing. Both of them coming up Thursday night games, but one of them played well and one of them didn't. This is nice. Instead of the extended rest, they get it next week. Kind of works for them. I guess. Yeah. To go the Thursday and then another Thursday. Right. I think it works. Okay, whatever, whatever, anyway. Uh, Buffalo... Ohhhh! Oh fuck me! Alright, uh, 1 o'clock. Chicago hosting San Francisco Chicago Giving 7. I know they just beat Green Bay. Just don't trust them enough with the 7. I don't like either of the act. Can I push I'll take San Francisco. Yeah, too many too much point I don't believe in Chicago and bling gabbard good, but San Francisco is terrible All right, since II at Cleveland Cleveland starting Austin Davis, maybe think so maybe so Since II by seven, please. Yeah, give me sense. Yeah, wait, are they playing the regular season or or or No, it matters this one now with the backup quarterback Alright, Tennessee is hosting a Jacksonville. Tennessee favored by two and a half. I like Jacksonville. I think they're good. Really? Look out for Jacksonville next year

15:00 Jake: to win that division. Maybe, maybe. I want to throw money on that now. Do it. Do it. We'll put it in the books. I'm going to give you Tennessee. Okay. Arizona at St. Louis. Arizona. Maybe in the top three of the league, I think Arizona's favored by five and a half St. Louis is just a bumbling mess Give me Arizona Jeff Fisher overrated. Oh, yeah, totally rated. I'd so average. I'm just a little bit Arizona They're so good. I just I don't know. I don't feel it. They're gonna I don't I feel it's gonna be close Just feel it's gonna close divisional so I feel that's gonna be just so good. All right, give me close fine skip Well, who do you have? Oh, San Luis. Okay. All right, Minnesota is hosting Seattle and this is a zero It's a pick-up. Hey, these are two very good teams to you know, Minnesota is the I would think they'd be a favorite at home. Yeah. I guess I'm taking Seattle. I'm taking Seattle. Oh, really? Yeah, I know that that should go the other way, but I'm taking Seattle because I think they're hitting their stride right now. Oh, I think Seattle is a much better team at home. They struggle on the road. I don't see them doing this. I'll take Minnesota. Alright. Tampa is hosting. Atlanta talk about a shit team Atlanta. Geez. They have fallen off the map So Tampa's favored by two at home and I like Tampa Atlanta's just were they six and oh and now they're six and five Yeah, I don't rather that's just fucking terror. I think they stopped their skid this week Tampa Bay is not a good time Ryan's been awful. He has been I don't know what I paid him a lot of money, Kansas City at Oakland Kansas City favored by three don't like it. This is a big rivalry. I like the home team Oakland feisty Oakland To beat Kansas City. No Kansas City's got a real deals Defense, although they kind of gave up some big plays against Buffalo. I can't city I think Oakland could chuck the ball down the field just as good as the bills can see. All right. We'll see Denver and Brock, uh, the second coming at San Diego, San Diego is just miserable. I'll take Denver by four with the backup. Well, yeah. And he's showing he's not much of a backup. So, I mean, he's showing like he's, yeah, maybe sitting for three years, like really helped this dude behind Manning. We'll see how they pay him next year when he's off his rookie contract. Uh, I'll take Denver. Okay. By the way, we're in the- Their defense alone could win this game. We're in the four o'clock's, of which there are quite a few. There are, how many? There are five. Five four. Four four o'clock's. I love it. That's good. That's good. It's good for the fans, though. Carolina is at New Orleans and they're only favored by seven. Carolina puts up 30 on everybody. Yep. And they don't give up shit. it. They are very good. They are the best team in the league, I think. Give me Carolina. Uh, I'll take Carolina too.

18:01 Jake: But I think this could be like that Giants game. Like, you... This team, New Orleans, I watch a lot of other games. They play completely different at home. You saw what they did to the Giants. Like, this could be a 47-40. Carolina has a better defense way there on a Different stratosphere of defensive will see and their offense just scores I don't know how they just score just score all right or baby Sunday night This could be a good one. Oh really better if luck was playing but these are teams that are fighting I mean, they're right in the thick of it Pittsburgh is hosting Indy Pittsburgh's favored by 10 That is a lot. So I know that it's like a 42 year old quarterback or whatever, however old he is, Hasselbeck. But I'll take those 10 points cause I think this could end like 33-24. Yeah, I like Pittsburgh to score a lot of points but I think Indy can hang. to within 10. Give me endy, give me endy on the points please. Alright and then we have a what turns out to be a crappy Monday night game which could have been a good Monday night game and now it's not. I'm sure that at the beginning of the season they watch this they're like this is gonna be great. Yeah, Washington hosting Dallas and Romo's not playing so Dallas is crap and Washington by four and a half I'll take Washington. Agreed. They're kind of coming on too. Alright, so let's get to the AFC East. Yes. Chrome picks. Chrome picks. We have now 12 minutes. So we have Philly at New England. New England favored by 10 points. That's correct. That's low. No. That's low. That's no Gronk low. Yeah, but Philly's giving up 45 points the last two weeks. Who was the starter of the Philadelphia Eagles? Who's starting quarterback? Yes, I guess it's Sam Bradford if he's healthy is he healthy. I think so. Okay. He's back No more. Yeah, it'd be too bad. I mean Sanchez in New England has such great history All right, so I got this 45 13 cuz only because 45 because that's what Philly's given up the last two weeks I think this in a row. I feel like this will be close to not good teams This is Tom Brady being like alright. I'm gonna throw the ball everywhere. I don't even care who's catching it right matter Oh, it does matter. We'll figure it out. Mmm. It matters who did Philly play on Thanksgiving? I Don't know are they played yeah, Detroit so they had somebody to chop the ball. Yeah Everyone was just wide open. It's like, all right, it's like playing Madden. Boom, boom, you got your plays and they work. I think it'll be close. So I'm keeping it within the 10. I think Philly will cover. So I'm pulling it. Pat's 39, Philadelphia Eagles 30. All right, then we have Buffalo at Houston. Um, Houston favored by three and I think Houston stays hot against Buffalo. These are going to be like, this is going to be a points hard to come by type of

21:03 Jake: game. I think you agree as yes, you do. Yes, I do. Um, I'll keep that whole touchdown streak thing alive too. And it's really making me think if I should remove. Shady McCoy from my fancy lineup this week maybe like Houston and I'm like, oh, that's a tough one You need to win to get in. I don't think so. No, we're not talking about the jet kingdom. Okay, by the way, I'm out of that Finally, thank you people for stepping the fuck up. Alright, so anyway Houston 14 Buffalo six nine to twelve Houston 12 9 Houston. All right. I'm 12 Houston. Well, sorry. I'm reading it by the way. I'm looking at it You just don't know how to know don't at all. Just don't know. All right, so I think it'll be close I don't see it. I barely see why don't see touchdowns I could just see them going back and forth king field goals all day beating up each other. So Baltimore is in Miami And Baltimore's terrible. Yeah, I mean once again I have to go look because this didn't make any sense to me and you have this wrong because you don't know how to do this Miami's favored by four points what what yes according to the pick of Miami is the favorite that for saying At home. Well Baltimore's terrible Baltimore has Matt Schaub as a starting quarterback. They have a backup running back. They have no receivers Their best defensive players out for the year. I mean they're a shell of themselves and they just beat Cleveland Because they blocked a field goal and ran for the last play and ran it for a touchdown They should have lost to Cleveland and whoever the fuck was playing quarterback I'm gonna give Miami the win here. It's gonna be a close edge because because they just did the whole shake up with with the whole other one. Another person fired. Another person works twice in the same season. And he'll you know came out and said he was real happy about it because he actually has a little like input into the game plan. I think they'll be a little juice but not enough my score is ridiculous you're right Miami wins 11 10 Miami wins 28 22 so we both think they're gonna win yeah Baltimore pretty I mean Matt job really Who knew he was in the league? Yeah, all right, and then the game of the year This is a big one people call it a rivalries some people don't It's a it's there anything that is a repeating thing that that when the games that does a matter to it. It's a rivalry Yeah, I think it's a rivalry Proximity I consider us the Mets to the Giants Yankees. Yes. Yes. They're our big brother. That's a true thing. It's kind of like, you know, the Knicks to the Nets, although the Knicks haven't won shit in a while. Just a long while, like 40 something years. And the Giants win. They've also beaten us, I think the last couple of. Regular season matchups the last one the last the last one were through and we were there for it

24:02 Jake: Reminds me of the last one which was a jet home game four years ago when both teams and it was it was week 16 it was so it was later in the season from whatever call and it was Both teams were like seven and seven and both teams really needed to win to get to the playoffs and it was our I think we are now three of Rex right so it was like all right we need to win this game to get to playoffs and then you know we get to playoffs we kind of win in the playoffs so this would be cool let's just beat the Giants right and we had them. in the first half and they were going nowhere and we had them down pinned on our goal line and it was third and ten from the one and it was like We could just taste the blood. It was like it was like a beating frenzy and all of a sudden Crow got beat. Oh, like on a short route to Victor Cruz, they weren't even trying to do anything. They were just trying to complete a pass to get out of the end zone. And Cruz puts a move on on on Crow, who misses the tackle. Eric Smith, slow as shit. Can't catch up to Cruz and Cruz goes for a 99 yard touchdown, which changed both teams. entire season, Giants go on to win the Super Bowl. Jets go home to play golf. And that was brutal because I thought we were I thought we were better. I thought we were better than them and that we would win that game. And Rex was doing his thing and talking shit. And Brandon Jacobs on on the Giants were talking shit back to him. It was like it was full on Rex mode. Look how different things are. They're like, it's just another game. It's. Another week. It's another week. It's week 13. It's the 12th game. I must say, having lived through both approaches, I think this is the better of the two approaches. Justin: The other one's way more fun. More fun. And way more entertaining. Oh, it's entertaining. But from a standpoint of what's sort of the better approach. This is the better approach. This is the the I've been under bill parcells all year long Jake: I'm starting to be in the season ever since we pulled Reavis signed Reavis the whole talk has been Back come against back from reavis back from reavis. Looks like it ain't gonna. It's not gonna happen. Reavis is out I mean, I think it's All but official. He has not practiced. It's concussion. He needs to practice before he can be cleared and he's not cleared. He may get cleared to practice tomorrow, which would be Friday. Well, we don't know if he practiced. No, I've been getting, I know he didn't practice yesterday. It looks like he's not going to play and we also don't know if Williams is going to be able to play. So he's game time decision. So the secondary. We're pretty deep at corner, but like you know Reavis is a tough one when you're going against Beckham I mean you just have to play what I'm worrying about You just have to double him and just pray that the that like but I'm worried about the I'm worried about not like the

27:05 Jake: Like all right bracket him and he's gonna be a deep Situation that's not what I'm actually worried about I'm worried about his ability to take a 10-yard slant and take it to the house Yes, because if crows just trailing him he's burning right and I almost Kind of wish that they wouldn't play the game the way that they would play it and say alright crows the number one you're just gonna shadow him I'd rather not totally again have crow just Justin: shot go shadow Randall yep shut him down you can do that maybe but yeah probably Jake: we're gonna help to the other side you guys and if you've noticed the defense has changed quite a bit he ended up we're much more to base well we're a 4-3 team now We don't play 3-4 anymore, and if we do play 3-4, it's Sheldon Richardson as the rushing outside linebacker, which is weird. He's playing linebacker. We're 4-3 defense. DeMario Davis only played 50% of the snaps. He's a guy who played like 98-99% of the snaps for the last like three years. Harris is the only one who's really like playing every snap now. He's rotating in just guys who are impressing him in practice. and earning their way up, I mean that is the way to do it. So from that perspective, I know you're questionable on bowls. Some of his in-game stuff is a little weird. Just bad. Some of it's been bad. Others. Justin: Other stuff is you question it and then the situation arises in another game and you're like, see? See ya next time. See what a better coach does and then it just backfires on that better coach. Jake: Still the right decision. It's still the right decision. Justin: There's no right decision. Yes, there is. The outcome is... Jake: Take the points when you can take them. Okay. But... And pray for another... It's the same idiot. We're talking about Mike Tomlin in the Steelers game. Who ended up kicking a field goal in the fourth quarter from like the three yard line. Justin: Right. It's the same guy who goes for two from the two yard line every fucking time So if you think you can go for two and get two points Why would you not go for seven and get seven points? It makes no sense to me You're leaving four points on the field. I hear it's retarded and then they end up losing cuz why because the defense couldn't stop them anyway Jake: So all we have a better defense or we could stop didn't end up matter. We could stop them anyway Doesn't matter. Justin: Let's get to the score. Or do we have to do some other injuries? Jake: Keys to the castle. You got two minutes. Give me one Keys to the castle. I know what my key is. You know what your key is? I can tell whether this team wins or loses. And it's really one stat line. Yeah, it's really simple. It's turnover. We're a turnover team. We take advantage when we get them and if we give them up, we have a hard time playing from behind. You guys know when to throw the pick. Well last week he threw three. I wish they had one last week because they're gonna come off a bad beating but they got crushed. They didn't get crushed. Well they got crushed like in a lost to a rival, big game, big plays.

30:03 Jake: Those are demoralizing crushed shit. But listen, Eli's been known to throw the pick. We gotta take advantage when he throws them to us. We gotta catch him. That's I think I mean you're not gonna knock Eli out of a game. He's a tough motherfucker. They're defenses They're often they're offensive lines decimated right we need to get Because they like to do the quick stuff. We need to get on them right disrupt that timing. It's a timing rhythm offense I watch a lot of giant games that they're all about timing. They're all about getting it out quick. It's very fast You have to, they can't really run, so like, just shut that shit down. Not a big deal. They're a big time passing team. They pass, again, like I said, quick and then they take shots. Right. You just have to make sure that those shots are under control. So, I mean, that's it. Make sure that we get to them. Take care of those shots down the field and win 2316 and that's that. 2316. Done and done. It's a bad Eli, good Eli. Because when Eli's on, he's really on and we've seen what he can do. If he's off, you can get him off his game. He can just start throwing picks like a crazy man. So get him off his game get the turnover battle Fucking triple ODB. He's the real deal. I've watched him. He's the real deal. He's gonna score two touchdowns I'm calling it Jets 31 21 cuz I think we can score so we got to go Jake Justin as always Go Jets! You will see that they have