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00:19 Jake: Welcome to Jet Kingdom Podcast, the longest running New York Jets Podcast. I'm Jake and joining me for 252 times in a. It's Justin. Justin, how you doing bud? Hello, sir. It has been a eight days since the shittiest game I've watched in a long time. And I'm feeling a little bit better. Thank you. You and I are back on speaking terms. We are okay to go the them. some pregame stuff. We did not tailgate. We did a red gate. They should do that. Red gate. Which is great. Red is a little local place right down the street from the stadium. Maybe I shouldn't talk about it. But it's great. It's a great little place. They do, you know, typical fare. So anyway, we did that. Your papa, your pops. Pops. Papa Papa go to the game with me Came with us t is officially never invited to another game I don't think we've won a game that he's gone He came to both the Eagles and Bills game margin well No, he has created losses like my daughter. I think she's like eight and one. Yeah, she's great, but but she's like a unicorn She is a unicorn. She's lost But she was even at that game where we were losing. But she always sees the jaguars so it's like doesn't count. That's true. Well, not that she went to the Steelers. That one will win the Steelers. Maybe that's the one she lost. Anyway, well I'm bringing her to the Titans game. So there you go. So we won that one. Put that in the win column. Put it in the win column. Put it in the win column. So this was the Corp of the Night, new unis, In comes Rex, Rexasaurus, comes into the Jets dome. We can win this game. put the bills behind us, take a lead up in the AFC East, put ourselves in a better position for a wild cottage spot, and the Jets go out and have just a shit game. Tons of turnovers, tons of

03:05 Jake: giving up points on special teams again. That's it. I mean, that's the game in a nutshell. There is a controversy about the end of the game a little bit, about whether they should have gone forward on fourth down, or whether they should have gone forward, or whether they should have kicked the field goal, gone down by two points, stopped them and then tried to kick another field goal. I will say after a week or eight days of thinking about it, it is one of those... You make the touchdown, it's the best decision. You don't do it if you lose. If you don't get the fourth down, you turn it over, you stop them, then you get a touchdown, it's fine. It just seemed like at the time, the way the game was going, the way their defense was playing, our special teams was playing, it just seemed like that scene, you know, with the time remaining... And I think it's not, because there was a lot of time management at the end, I don't think it was great. I think they let a lot of time go off the clock. I feel like it would have been a, our defense was kind of stopping them, other than their sort of, you know, getting a sort of one drive, as I remember, one drive for touchdown and they had a lot of crap, like, you know, fumbles and we had the fumble, the fumble on the kickoff in turn for touchdown. So it felt like, hey, kick the field goal, stop them, and then all you have to do is get within, you know, our new kicker's range, which who knows where that is, and then kick the field goal to win the game. Not even to tie, but to win. But why do you think that wasn't the right decision? Because you and I argued about it. We did. Because we had momentum on our side. Okay, we got the ball on a... Was it a a it was the the punt so they were punting deep out of their own end zone Yep, we weren't moving the ball. Well the whole game Boy, wait, but how do we have a mental but not moving the ball? Well, we started to move the ball the whole game that we hadn't been and then all of a sudden we we got this huge Play right we were down 22 to 3 We score a touchdown. Great. We score another touchdown. We pull within five. There was a mistake earlier in the game. I thought when we were down 22 to three, that when it, when we scored that touchdown, he should have went for two right then and there in the third quarter. I understand that there are coaches in the league that. don't like to go for two before the fourth quarter, but I'd rather be sitting there at twenty to eleven than twenty two to ten because that one point between nine and ten didn't matter. Case in point, we lost by five. Right. Right. So trying to get the actual plays on this. If we if we would have, you know, again, it irrespective of that. to me that was the bad decision but anyway we we get the bond like what the

06:00 Jake: 15 the 13 whatever it is and I'm like sweet it's time to score touchdown right here Buffalo 13 at no gain it's it just looking at that damn sit 5-12. Yeah, there's a decent amount of time left. Sure. So I was like sweet Chris Averi. Great. Great yards. We ran for negative one yards. Shotgun to Eric Dekker. Dropped the ball. No, got the first one. Was incomplete short to Kevin Davis. That's at fourth and fourth and four. That was a huge drop. Yeah, huge drop. He should have caught that ball. Right. But... And that would have been a first down and we would have kept going now I thought we should have went for this touchdown because I thought we take the lead Five we had four plays and we went from 512 to 258 when they got the ball back, right? So we would have scored a touchdown and left in no time on the clock and left them Well two minutes and 58. No, not enough time on the clock and had the lead as opposed to Kicking a field goal with the same amount of time. Yeah on the clock and then they ran the clock out Yeah, they're in the clock, but they wouldn't have if we had stopped them at three minutes They wouldn't have been able to run away. We didn't stop them. No, if we kick the field goal Yeah, we kick off to them then all I have to do is stop them But we weren't able to stop them. It's your your your understanding that they're two different scenarios, but they're not. We gave them the ball, or we're kicking the ball off. They get the ball anyway. I understand. So you're saying is all we have to do is stop them. Yes, but we didn't stop them. Well, I understand. But that's a that we didn't stop them. That's a terrible defense. But Then would you have rather have lost by two? Because you would have... Why? Because I feel like the chances of... I don't know, that that... What's the difference? You lose by five or you lose by two. I think we had a better chance. I think we had a better chance There's more time to stop them. We wouldn't have had more time. Well, you're saying it's the exact same thing But it is it isn't it is there's no more time You can't add time to the clock because we kicked a field goal No, but we wouldn't have gone. Well, they took off too much time doing it. We would have had more time to stop them and then get back. So you're saying go faster, don't try and score a touchdown, just kick the field goal immediately. What are you trying to say? We could have kicked it at 350 left. So how do we get to like, what are you talking about? So what, call a timeout and kick a field goal? No, kick the field goal on fourth down. Okay, so why is that 350? Because, well, fourth down, because we went for it at 302 and fourth down. So yeah, you could when you would have kicked the field goal. You would have come out after the third down, done the field goal, not taking the clock all the way down. They thought they were going to score the touchdown. Why would you not take the so fine? It's because you want to leave more time to get the ball. It's 315 and not 302. But we still they still got the ball and they still got three first downs. Yeah. And that's the game, motherfucker. I understand whether you're down to. Or whether you're down five. Yeah, I think we had a better chance more.

09:02 Jake: Because it would have left more time in the clock. There's meaning they would... Ten more seconds. I don't think it was ten seconds. That's how we played it from five twelve down. We played it. Run. Run. Yeah, we're trying to score a touchdown. You don't try to score a field goal there. Run for negative one yards. You're like... If your thing was you should have scored a field goal, then they should have just kicked the field goal in first down. Yes, there you go. No, of course not, but it's just the game plan. Why would you not try to go for the touchdown? You go for the touchdown until you can't get it, and then you don't go for the fourth down. Then you go for a field goal to get it within two, but we didn't stop them. But we didn't stop them. I understand. But we didn't stop them. I understand. Game's over. But you're saying that there's no chance we could have stopped them. Yes, we could have. But we had a chance to stop them and get the ball back and go right back down the field. But we didn't. Yes, we gave up first down. So we suck on offense and defense. Exact thing. Whether they went for the field will kick. Justin: It's not. You're very logical and you're not getting this. Jake: No, I am very logical because I think the mentality on the fourth down was we're going to score a touchdown to try. Their offensive mentality at that point was we're in touch. touchdown to get less time. There's the other mentality would have been let's kick a field goal leave more time. How much more time because it How much more time because it's fourth down anyway. I think you would have four more seconds. You know what you have Tom Brady time. No, no, you don't because there's a 25 second clock. So at the very most, at the very most you have like 15 more seconds. Great. That's what you're talking about. Tom Brady more second. That's how you win games. 15 more seconds. Go for what you have. Hold on. Yeah. 15 more seconds on the clock. Would the Bills have played it any differently than they did? All they're trying to do is run the clock out anyway. I understand because they're still winning I understand so would they have played it any differently? But you have a but in that in that scenario you also have you have the kickoff where there's stuff that can happen in a kick-off or right there's fumbles there's misses there's There's problems, there's all sorts of things that can happen. So you have another chance to get the ball back, then you stop them. Again, you have to stop them, but that's the scenario for both plays. But they didn't stop them. But I think you get the ball back if you stop them. I know they didn't stop them, but if you stop them... But they didn't stop them. It's the same scenario. They did not stop them. That is the problem. You take the points when you can get them. And you lose by two. Yeah, fine. But at least you took the points. But you lose by two. No, because you have a better chance, percentage-wise, I think a better chance of stopping them and getting to a place to kick a field goal. No. Versus going for it missing and then you need to go back and score another touchdown. But they didn't stop them. That's the whole point is that they did not stop them. So they sucked both ways. But the point is, statistically, you have a better chance of kicking a field goal. Stopping them is in both scenarios. If you miss the pass for the fourth down, you still have to stop them, right? And if you keep the field goal, you still have to stop them. But they didn't stop them. But that's the point then they would have lost. They would have gone down and scored a touchdown. We can't stop them. They would have scored a touchdown. Justin: All they're trying to do is run the clock out? No, they did. Jake: No, if we had made the touchdown, they still would have had to go down and score a touchdown. Sure. Which means we won't stop them, then they would have won anyway.

12:00 Jake: So then you know what not even play the game the point is percentage wise I think my theory is as a fan I don't think percentage wise chances I don't think you're getting a fourth a fourth and what was it fourth and what to fourth and two Which running for negative two yards on the second one with fourth and two to some backup tight end Who's site who's who's caught three balls all wasn't play. Well, okay They're playing good D. Kick the field goal, get within two, and then try to have something else happen. Happen on the kickoff. You could have gone for an on-side kick on the kickoff and then gotten the ball back. And then you wouldn't have had to stop them. But they didn't stop them. So there's another scenario. But they didn't stop them. There's another scenario. There's another scenario that you could throw in there. He would not have done that. We've done it before this season. But he wouldn't have done it. He had all of his time outs. I understand. But look, here's another scenario. Kick a field goal, you're down by two, kicking on side, get the ball, kick a field goal, call it the game. He said he wouldn't have even done that. I know, well they're very, you know, sometimes conservative, I think the better play would have been kick the field goal, get within two, and try to stop them. And do the you get you get the whole kickoff you get to try to fumble it out of them there Yeah, all that stuff the point is they didn't stop them when they had the chance to fine Duh and let them run the clock out Yeah, so even if we kick it off to them and they just kneel and they're like fuck it No chat just jet Kingdom whatever you want to do you you can agree with me or him All right, I think you're pick your fool You okay great Anything else from this game other than it just sucked and we were terrible? It was a tough game. Rex Ryan did what he does to Fitzpatrick and Changaly. He made him look awful. He looked terrible. He was at one point like five of 17 or something. He was bad. He was fits. He was fits. He was bad. Like really bad. 34, 193. That's 44% completion. Two percentage, two picks. Two touchdowns, two picks. No, he's, he is. And again, I know no one loves this theory and no one likes to talk about this, but this is, this team is in middle zone, this sort of like... We're just gonna win enough to not do anything, and we don't have the guy of the future. If this was someone, and I know no one was gonna talk about this, but if this was the guy of the future, I could at least say- If it was Mark Sanchez, you'd be behind it. I'd say if this was the guy, when it was Mark Sanchez and he was throwing three or four picks in the game, we were considering him the guy of the future. Right, we were behind it. We were gonna build off this guy. Right. We were gonna have him for three to four years. But guess what? It didn't work. But that season, that 09 season, it went just like this. And okay, fine. But I had a better chance. I had as a fan, I'm just a fan, just a simple, I'm just a simple fan. As a fan, looking at a team having these huge up and down swings, I was more excited for the team as a whole and as a going forward standpoint, than a team that I could say, Well, even if we fuck it up this year and we go nine and seven or we go eight and eight

15:02 Jake: and we barely get in the playoffs and we win a game or whatever, I could at least go and say, you know what? This is a building season. This is getting our guy. He gets experience. We build around him. We're going to have future success. You sound like you don't even want them to win anymore. I am. As a fan, I'm trying to try to go between two things. Again, it's irrational. It's who I am. I'm trying to go two things. I want the Jets to always win, but I also want this team to not be in a year by year thing. We need to build a team that wins for a long period of time, not a team that gets the playoffs one year and then doesn't get back to the next four. Like good teams build their teams and they get back to the playoffs over and over again. And what we're going to be doing next year is restarting. with somebody, not this guy. That's not true, actually. You think this guy's going to be back on our team next year? How much millions of dollars do you think? So says the general manager in his fireside chat. In the middle of the season, right now, with Fitzpatrick coming off of surgery, what is he going to say? No, he's not. I don't see why they wouldn't bring him back. Bet me. Bet me. Bet this guy's starting for us next year. He'll be on the team. Yeah, well fuck, who cares he's on the team? He could be your third stringer, he could be the water boy. Are we going into season one without any injuries as this guy, as our starter for next year? Because if he is, I fucking want off the bandwagon. Then get off the bandwagon. Okay, I want off the bandwagon. Because this would take you already off the bandwagon. I think you don't like this team. The way that you've been talking about them for the last like two to three weeks. I'm a fan. You... Really don't like them. You don't agree with what they do. You don't like what they do You don't even want them to win anymore. No, I don't even you don't even want them to make the playoffs I want them to do a lot of them. I want them to make the playoffs Yeah, I told you act as though you don't cuz you're like I want to see Bryce petty I'm struggling like a lot of fans out there go talk to them other than you No, I'm not struggling. I don't want to just see a team if this team who over-performs for this year, gets the playoffs, gets crushed in the first or second round of the playoffs. On the road. Wait, if they get to the second round of the playoffs and they get crushed, that's still a success. It's not successful if, listen, here's the not successful part of this. If Ryan Fitzpatrick goes on the road with, say, the Indy, and we beat Indy on the road in the wild cards and then head on and go to New England or go to whatever. Might be Jacksonville. Fine, and we, right. state. and we get crushed in New England. You and I are there and it's the most painful thing on the planet, although I don't go to the middle one because I go to the first one and the last one because the middle one's kind of like the, whatever. You lose the middle one, you can't go to the second one. Anyway, so we get crushed in second round. Ryan Fitzpatrick shows that he's not the starter for the second. He's been showing he's basically not a starting caliber quarterback who's gonna get you. anywhere. He has ups and downs, he's a good backup, he is what we want him to be. Let me ask you a question. No, no, no, let me finish. No, cause you're just running on and it's stupid.

18:00 Jake: Let me finish. It's so stupid. Let me finish. I don't even want to hear it. So he goes on and we get destroyed in the second round, right? Then what? Then what does that lead us with? Then we lost. And this guy gets and is not back on our team next year, then what? What exactly do you think is the silver bullet for solving the quarterback problem? Getting a quarterback and building him and making sure that you have one. This is not the guy for our future. Please explain to me. Yes. How you do that. Keep drafting until you get one. and go through the plan. Like in what round? When do you decide? I'm not a general manager. I'm saying this guy is not the guy. Okay. He's not the Super Bowl guy. Is he the guy to lead us? Just honestly. How many quarterbacks have won the Super Bowl in the last 10 years? Four or five. Yeah, cuz I keep her. Yes. That's it. Yes. And once you have one one Yes in like kind of in the first round and how do you hit them? How do you hit them? You have to draft them obviously. Yes, and that's it So do you pick up an also ran who's been on seven teams or six teams in five years and fill them in and decide That's the way you win games Well, you can have like first overall pick and draft like Eli Manning or something or Andrew look or Andrew Luck, or you can get Lucky in the third round, pick Russell Wilson, or you can get Lucky in the sixth round, pick Tom Brady and have him be around for 20 years. But that's kind of it. Yes! Only one way to champion chips, which is to get a good quarterback and to ride them. But we... Okay, so wait. But wait. Wait, so have we not? Wait, stop! Shut the fuck up already! No, you're stupid, you're stupid, you're stupid, you're stupid. Oh, fully drafted or in the first round? Drafted. Oh, probably five or six. Great. Seven maybe. So they're obviously trying your thing and it ain't fucking working. How many have we drafted in the first round? One. One. So if you tell me that the first round is where you get your... And then, you know, and then Gino in the second. And he has been an absolute disaster. So they've tried that. Well, I tried it once. And the guy, by the way, if you want to look for your success and you want to suck Sanchez's cock, The only guy who's been successful as a guy that we drafted in the first round to dreed us anywhere was a guy we drafted with the 6 overall pick and moved up 4. Everybody else has been a complete failure. Guys who haven't even made the roster get kicked off because they couldn't even draft the 7th round. Guys who are low with it, they go away and sims and whatever the fuck. and Gino. So if you're looking at me, you're saying so what I'm saying is this guy, this Ryan Fitzpatrick, who I like as a person, I think he's a great guy. I love his personality. He's great. I heard he's from Harvard. It's awesome. I'm just struggling with the fact that I don't see this guy bringing the Jets to long term success. Do you know how many

21:04 Jake: other long term success you know many other teams. Yes. Are saying the same exact thing. So what? There are like seven quarterbacks that you actually want. Exactly. That's it. Great. That's it. Great. There's really like not a whole lot. I know and there's people that listen we could be in thousand percent worse. I'm not saying it's like we're in the worst position ever. I'm never saying it. Colin Kaepernick. They go pay this guy fucking 90 million dollars and they sit him. Like fucking look at that guy. Right. I mean there's tons all over the league. RG3. You want RG3? Maybe. Yeah. No, I totally get it. Paid man. We're not the only ones. You want to pay this guy hundreds of millions of dollars to come in. He's going to win you Super Bowls. Can't do it. And now, basically he's done. This is not a unique problem. I understand. So like you can't get that agitated over. - H,h by on. I'm a fan. I I I'm very unexcited with the long-term prospects of this team. Not this year. But like that fell so near a year. Yes. We're going to roll over. With the exception of. We're going to roll over every team that's under 500 and we're going to lose to every team that's over 500. Then we're going to make the playoffs. And oh no, because Buffalo is over 500 and they might keep us out. We're going to make the playoffs. We're dropping. We're going to make the playoffs. Okay, finally make the playoffs. Great playoffs! The only thing that excites me about this team is the 1 in quadrillion shot that they win the Super Bowl. And Ryan, that fucking fits magic, and his stupid fucking beard and his broken thumb, and whatever the fuck stands up there with the trophy, and I will eat every fucking word I've ever said. I will... Do whatever the fuck you want, because it'll be the greatest moment in my entire life. I will be stuck in my dick. And eating. Not gonna say that. And eating my asshole. Neither one of those things are gonna happen. And I'm not gonna clean myself down there for a while. For a while. What do you think? The weeks that you don't clean yourself? Yeah, like a couple weeks. The point is, I am too... To thinking about our team from not just we have a brand new head coach a brand new thing and this team needs to build a team To they're doing that but they're not doing in the most important spot, which is this mother It's the hardest spot to do it in great and not there is no silver bullet for it Yes the silver bullet isn't. No there isn't. Guys trying them and when they suck throw them on the fucking heap and get another guy. But that's what they've been doing. Throw them on the heap and get another guy. All you're asking for them to do is do what they've done. That's all you're asking for them to do. They keep drafting guys. Except for in the first round this year we could have gone out. Really? And done what? Drafted a first round who I don't know name it. I don't who's the guy Who was the who was well after Winston and after? Marietta yeah, who was The next quarterback drafted those are two guys we could have drafted no they are not we could have gone up and got them

24:03 Jake: Nope, yes, we could have we could have so so you're thinking long-term, and you're thinking let's sacrifice The next let's do an RG three deal because that's the precedent Oh, I don't want to give away three first round picks for a guy that turns into a bench one Let me ask you okay name the five first five quarterbacks taken I did okay I don't know who the next guys are I know that there was I know that there was Winston and that there was Mariota and they went one in two and I cannot name you the next guys little look and they probably haven't played Hold on hold on positions quarterback Winston, Marriota and Bryce Petty Garrett Grison, Brett except for except for what? What. What is the missing thing? You know what it is. You just want to see him play. You want him to lose. No. If he was ready to play, he'd be playing. Why is Marcus Mariota and James Wintz starting and not right at Eddie? Because they are first and second overall picks. This guy was a fourth round pick. Okay. He's not in the same league. Because where he's picked? Yeah, really really Tom Brady clearly for every time really there's how many really will for every time ready? This is Tom Brady 2. The future of this team at quarterback is not Bryce pretty it's either well then if he's not bright pretty then they fucked up taking Him in the fourth round why fourth round pick it's a flyer it but then where's the flyer of a guy you just said he's a Flyer for what holding a clipboard he's a flyer Where's lying to you want that you will not see him until we are out of it. Yes Unfortunately for you brother We're not out of it. No. We're not gonna be out of it until the end of the season. Who's your fool? I told you, you. Okay, pick another fool. You. On the team. You. On the team. You. By the way, we did this for all the people listening. This is a conversation that we didn't have at the game. Just was so mad at me. So mad. You. Mine is... Devin Smith's my fool, if you really wanna know. Just why because we fucking buff fumbled we gave him nine points in seven seconds Why'd they put him back there? That's the first time he's done that all year. They put him back there because Kembril Tompkins did the first one and maybe tweaked something or whatever and then but they were doing him a chance But that was like the first time he's done that all-season at the jet Correct, right. So they gave a guy a chance a chance to do something. Yeah, and what happened great, okay

27:03 Jake: Move right along no, so wait wait you are in there Win the game And you know what so would Bryce pedaling Do that kind of shit, but then at least we know what we have. We know we have with a gig or two. Because it was 3-3, whatever. R I I-, and I Skywalker and the This guy's not on your team, you're not. If the guy's not on the team and you gotta find out as an NFL team whether you have the guy or you don't have the guy. Alright, who's your, who's your, who's your, who's your fool? I don't know. Special teams coach, what's his fucking name? You can't cop out and pick coaches. No, I'm picking him. He's a douche. He's the douche. I'm gonna pick a player. No, no why okay, whatever the so whatever the fuck you drop the ball Davis He didn't even touch the ball Wasn't even there fine. I hate him Kevin Davis suck you suck. Oh my god. I targeted once you're even though Zairim I love when you don't. No, thank Ellen Davis so good. I know I'm so worked up. All right Let's move on. Yeah, I think uh I'm crushing you. I think you're doing pretty well. I lost last night's game. Yeah, me too. I had Tennessee So last week turns out there and you had the best week Wow Yeah, baby, you're now at 76 only three behind the leader eat it now first light. There's been a new leader almost every week. And it's gonna be me after this. And maybe not. Let's do it. I got a fiver. I'm way behind but I of. Atlanta, well, we already did Jacksonville hosting Tennessee. I picked Tennessee. I also lost. Atlanta is hosting Indy. No luck. Atlanta is favored by six at home there off a buy off of a losing streak. I like him to come out and fly and beat Indy. Yes. Atlanta at home. No luck. No good. I'll pick Atlanta. No defense either. All right. Chicago hosts Denver. John Fox's old team. Chicago favored by one Brock Osweiler starting. I'll take Chicago.

30:02 Jake: It's going to be close though. The defense is going to be pretty gnarly. I think it's going to be close. I took Denver. It's only one point. But I don't believe in Osweiler on the road. The thing is, it's gone from a negative 1.5 to one. So it's interesting. I don't know having to leave back again. I have the Denver D and one of my league So I've been paying attention to their D. They can win games for you So and I don't I don't think I haven't watched Chicago all season for some reason I don't know they haven't been on a game like that. I've watched But I don't know what kind of team they are I think Denver just comes out mad and beats the fuck out of them. I just don't believe in this asswiler All right, Oakland goes to Detroit Oakland's favorite on the road by two don't like them in that spot at one o'clock So I'll take the trade I'll take the two points. Me too. Alright, Philly is hosting Tampa. Good skip. Thank you. Almost. Philly is hosting Tampa. Philly's favored by six. We don't know if it's Sanchez or Bradford. Suck it. It's looking like Sanchez, but Bradford is... Potentially coming back because the shoulders fine. It's just a concussion. So it's it was just a concussion Well, is it a serious guys come back from concussions? All right, so Philly's favorite by six Gotta go my man Such as yeah, man. Give me Philly. I'll take I'll take them at home He can have what I mean He did exactly what he was supposed not to do last week in the red zone leading throw interception Like that's what he does. That's what it's game I feel like you'll have what one or two good games just like he did last year So I give him I'll take him this week and Tampa Bay is not very good defense is good But I don't even Winston came out had a bad coming out party. He's no can't catch this fucking wide receivers Can't all right Carolina is hosting Washington favored by seven. Give me Carolina their defenses Legit and Cam Newton with zero weapons is a monster. He's pretty good He's great. I give me give him MVP cam at home. Give me a cam All right One o'clock still Baltimore talk about backup quarterbacks. I'm a quarterback situation How about you trade in the offseason for a fucking quarterback? And then you're benching. Yeah. I think that is that worth paying $100 million. For guy in benching him. I can't tell. No, the signed him. That's because they give him a new because I think St. Louis benefited on the deal. I think Bradford was considered the better player. Yes. So they got the better of the deal. I think they got pick pick at a higher pick better picks. Whatever. So St. Louis and I don't think they also re-upped with him. Whereas they re-upped with Bradford didn't they sign him? I don't think so. I think they did. I don't think they did really I'm not sure but I don't think they did because he's on the last year of that crazy rookie thing So Baltimore is hosting st. Louis I kind of forgot about the whole case Keenan thing or I might have done this before that Case Keenan starting and I'm thinking st. Louis Baltimore just finds ways to lose games. No way isn't Baltimore at home win girl girly game. All right Kansas City. Yeah, this is the four o'clock. Yeah, we got how many that we got three

33:02 Jake: Standard now, so Kansas City is at San Diego Well, the San Diego is favored by three at home This was hard for me. I want to pick Kansas City, but I just have this Feeling about San Diego winning this one with some new weapons Everyone's hurt and they can't run the ball. No shit. That team is just it's just I think gates is playing So maybe he'll get gates back. I'm gonna go with San Diego. Give me Casey. Okay, Casey's got a good D good game here Yes, this is probably the game we'll be watching that for. On the big TV at 425. Minnesota is hosting Green Bay. Minnesota's home favored by one. The Packers can't lose this many games in a row, so I'll take the pack. Even though I'm really unsure of it, Minnesota has a good defense and a good running game. Yeah, the Packers cannot. They just can't keep losing games though, right? They're too good. They're too talented. Aaron Rodgers, you can't just keep losing games. Alright, we're in agreement there. Seattle is hosting San Francisco. Too many points. It's just too many. It's 13. Seattle hasn't really proven that they can pull away. Blaine Gabbard starting for the Niners. That's gonna be a disaster, but I still think it's 13's a lot. Too many. I'll stick with the Niners here. Seattle, way underperforming, probably only make the playoffs. It might not. It really depends on what Green Bay's up to. Well, if you had to bet right now who's gonna make it, Green Bay or Seattle, you'd say Green Bay. Well, let's think. Green Bay, Minnesota. Well, let's just put Minnesota and Green Bay in there. I just don't see the making it's gonna be the Falcons. Yeah, it's it may continue to fall apart because it's either really it's Minnesota Or Green Bay is gonna win that division and then the other one is gonna probably make the playoffs right and then it's Falcons cuz Carolina is definitely winning that vision the Falcons. I think they're six and three Yeah tougher Seattle even make the playoffs. I'm saying yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I'll Green Bay Falcons yeah Yeah, anyway alright last one that we picked cuz then Monday night is an AFC East so Arizona This is another great one Sunday night. Thank you. I think they flex this one's I think that originally it was San Diego, Kansas City But Arizona is hosting Cincinnati Arizona Favored by four I watched Cincinnati yeah, be awful in prime time against Houston. It's is this a real thing? Yes, it is It's a real thing. It's a real thing this guy don't can't play in Prime time I'm not on national television or whatever it is or a pressure situation Yeah, I mean he was I will say the amount of drops I watched that game cause I was watching cuz I had a I was watching the game going night game. Well, it's just I had Usually I wouldn't watch that game's not very interesting. It wasn't very I was traveling is the only thing on but um

36:19 Jake: A lot favored by four. I don't really care. Right. All right. Let's get to the let's do the uh let's do the thrompix. So we have let's start with Dallas and Tony Romo. Tony uh oh is playing against. The Finney fins and it's in Miami. Yeah You and the line is zero it's a pick them so no respect almost back was terrible That's anything my mind is one more games than Dallas has Yeah, but I think I giving them more respect because we're almost back and now Dallas is whole Really? They got Despac and Romo? Des and Romo. And they got Damarco Murray? Oh, no, he's not on that team anymore. Yeah, but they're whole again. Yeah, they have they have their starting quarterback, which has proved, you know, you don't win with backups. You mean Fitzpatrick? He's borderline back. He's better than all these backups that are playing this week. Well, this is backup football. Week so true like gimme gimme him over all the shitty back over the guy we're playing He's the best of the worst backups. Give me him over all these backups that are please the piece of corn in the Maybe not Sancho It's still probably all right, so so I like Dallas to win I would normally pick them to score a little more points. I'll just have a little bit of a rust factor. I think we both have them winning by seven, we do. I have it 20 to 13. 27-20. You have it 27-20. Dallas. Yeah, Dallas, off the Schneider. Off the Schneider, I think it's just more of gonna, again, there was no respect for their passing game with either one of those two shitbag quarterbacks. Now there will be. I really worry about a guy who has not played for this long on the road. Miami does have a pass rush. I mean, again, it's not, you know, it's a better, you know, and they were really good offensive line. And yeah, I think that's overhyped too. I don't. They're really good offensive line, but I do not think that I'll take them to win. All right. Plus now it's a little bit of my heart because I don't really want my. Alright, Buffalo is On the road Monday night, New England is I did this wrong again. Definitely did this wrong. New England is giving seven points to Buffalo, which I don't understand why that's not 40. It's because he's down weapons. That's an Edelman thing. It's Edelman, Dion Lewis, just a compounding. But no offensive line. Monday night, Brady. Jesus against Buffalo Rex barely score pulled some shit off against New England in the past I don't see it. You see my score. I have New England blowing them out

39:02 Jake: 3013 Just think New England's defense is so underrated. It's like, oh, what are they gonna do now? They're down. No down Lewis. Oh my god Oh my god. I know a little man I think they'll be good at covering like the wide receivers from from Buffalo, but just did you see how good Malcolm Butler was against Odell Beckham. I mean, I know Beckham had a huge one big play, but other than that, it was- Well, if you're gonna tackle Beckham, first of all, if you're double covering him, you leave one guy back to stop him after he catches, they would both up on him, and they both try to tackle him. They just sort of ran into each other. And then he just took off, which he does a lot. Yeah, he's very good. I wonder statistically how many times he just, they miss a tackle and he just goes for a touchdown. He's very good. Yeah, I think they're gonna get destroyed. But the thing about New England is they love to run the run it up. So I always feel like there's that, hey, they're up by 37 to 13 or 37 to 20. They don't run the clock out. No, and and they really can't. I mean, I guess they could just run. Why? They would dare blunt. But they're not going to be able to run blunt. They don't have a good offensive line. No. So I patch it together. I feel like. I feel like it'll be kind of a catch-up game. So I'm saying no one's gonna win 43 to 30. That's a lot of points Well, what is their first matchup? It was close to that but he had all his guys Now he's trying to do it with those groans Oh gro a trunk's great. It's unstoppable But no, John Lewis Giants game we talk about that fucking Giants game It's not talking about mongering and bungling and throwing a game away. Why don't they get fired for that? Don't know I mean not only did they blow the clock they blew it or watching it were sitting there Okay, okay now why'd you do that they blew it like two different times where you're you can't give Brady time and No one watch film has no one seen this guy and do this a billion times over then there was a Super Bowl He did this in the Super Bowl and van man. It wasn't even a good drive He threw what should have been a game ending interception on the first play. And the guy just dropped it. Like, no one around. That's pretty magic. That's fucking horseshoeing the ass, Brady Magic. Yes. Wrapped in a silver spoon. It's not like Manning hasn't done it to him on bigger stage. What the drug the fucking helmet catch spinning out of three guys helmet catch throw it up there Miracle magic craziness. They should just play all the time It was I was I was impressed by how the Giants sort of kept them in check Like I was they suck so hard and they just play the Pats like nobody. That's their little minis. It will Although they're going This this could be you could see them right but these two in the Super Bowl again Because if if Manning gets the man against the playoffs he's in the Super Bowl He just makes it and these guys are gonna be in a Super Bowl Who's gonna beat them who in the AFC is gonna beat the Patriots in the playoffs? Name me the team. Please. Give me a team who's gonna beat them Pittsburgh Steelers

42:01 Jake: On to the next game. Justin: The game of the year, but he can't. Jake: No, he can't. He's been on and off the field. He'll get hurt again. He'll be off the field. You can play with a broken. No face. One more, one more hit to one more body part. He will not be. All right. I've already been out twice. New York Jets. We are traveling. Yes. We're on the road. We're to Houston. No line. No, why not? That's a quarterback for the Houston Texans thing. And maybe even the Jets. No, no, he's playing. He's practicing. Anyway, I listened back to our last podcast. Yes. You were very adamant about the fact that Fitz was missing the rest of the year. I was saying that's what I heard and I even said that's what I read. No, no, no, very adamant. I didn't say. Listen, you're like, why the fuck? This is selfish. Right. I say that when I've been reading it, that he's in season. And I said it over and over again. I'm really not even missing anything. Yes. Well, because God knows we could deal with the two intercepts. All right. So fun fact for you. The Houston defense hasn't given up a touchdown in 10 quarters. Ten straight quarters. They did not give up a touchdown to the Cincinnati Bengals. In Cincinnati, the game before, whoever the fuck they played. I like them coming off a big fucking Monday night wave. Yeah, I like that too. Short week. Short week. Big game on the road. Big game. Played great. Feeling good. Feeling good. Tied for first. That's right. I like the way they're sitting right now. This is, to me, a big coaching thing. This is a team on the slide. We're sliding. Like, we're having a bump here. Can you turn it around? Can we turn this team around? Time to win. It is time to win. It's winning. Well here's the thing. I'm gonna judge every game from now on to the end of the season by this. Are we going up against a team with a winning record or not? This is a losing record team. We're gonna win. Alright. We're gonna win. Alright. In fact I feel like for the rest of the season we're gonna win every game we're going up against a losing game. We're going to the playoffs baby. And we're gonna lose the Patriots and we're gonna lose the... Buffalo which I don't think that's gonna be good. I don't think that might I think that is gonna be a winning you're in losing your out for both teams and I think it's gonna glared I think it's gonna be a Flex to Sunday night cuz it's Rex versus the Jets win in Butthole right in the car. Dick hole. This dick dick in a dick right in the Dina You see that you know me and I haven't impossible to dick in a dick so impossible that can't even googling Google a dick in the dick never seen it Alright, so seeing as though Houston's been playing this defense and knowing that they have very talented defensive players, right? They have JJ Watt They have Wilferk. You have the biggest bust on the planet. Oh, I do. I do. That guy is the biggest bust on the planet. Who? Oh, fucking. I guys now just has name and then you said who and I thought, and we own my name, the name popped in my head. Mario Williams, because it's like that's who they drafted.

45:01 Jake: You're doing clowning. Yeah, I got it. So, yeah, but they have really good player Brian Cushing, merciless. I mean, they have some very talented Jonathan Joseph, very talented defensive players on their team. We saw them in hard knocks, so we've seen like some of their stuff. But with that said, TJ Yates is starting. TJ fucking Yates. DeAndre Hopkins is great. This is the team. This is a game. And I'm sorry for all you Jeff fans who were going to get mad at this. When I say this is a game I wish we had, Rex is our quarter, but as our head coach, why? Because I feel like this guy, he'd make, he might not complete a pass. Like he might get knocked out of the game within two things. I don't feel like I don't feel like bowls Has that ability I will see I do he's a blitzer He's gonna use let's put the pressure on yeah, and he's gonna tell these guys on defense listen. It's a few eights We gotta make him move like he can't get comfortable. We gotta make him Like jumpy by the way my prediction I think now that I'm listening back to my was the over under Yeah, he's very good. Very good. We'll throw Rebus on him and see what happens. I fear for Rebus. I feel like I never fear for Rebus. I always feel like he's prepared and I I don't think this quarterback is good enough to make it a bad situation. I saw him throw one good throw. I just don't think this quarterback is good enough to make this into a situation that's like... Oh fuck. Like, you know when you might have some... Rebus... ...doubts is the Giants. When it's Manny throwing the ball to... ...back them. Right. But, anyway, I have this game. Uh, oh, keys? Keys, keys, keys. You give me a key, I'll give you a key. Well, I'm just gonna keep using the same key, because it seems to be the key. Turnovers. Oh, turnovers. Well, that's the other. Win the turnover battle. Get a couple picks, get a strip sack here or there. Maybe a special team thing happens. But just win win that and. There's one other one, which is Fitz just had surgery. Let's continue to keep him on his feet. I saw a stat. It was weird. There was a stat that was about. It's about a quarterback who who got sacked a lot and it was like the percentage of the sacks that Over that the quarterback took that were on them, right? And the worst in the league is fitzpatrick But he hasn't had a lot of sacks See that's where the stat was stupid because he only has been sacked seven times the whole year

48:00 Jake: And these guys were like sacked like 30 times. It was russell wilson Like a bunch of them were his fault, right fucking around back there, right? Um, but he's been sacked like 30 40 something times or whatever anyway a Go ahead and M So I'm gonna go six. I'm just looking at his uh, yeah seven sacks. And they said like four of them were his fault. I said. He said 15 touchdowns this season? Fits? Yeah. He's throwing quite a few. Nine touchdowns. You see Manning's line? It's like nine touchdowns, 17 interceptions, pay man. Why is he throwing more interceptions? I was just looking at his line. He started 12. He started 12 games last year. and he had eight interceptions. Different systems. All right, this year he started nine games. He's had nine, he's had one per game. Yeah, on average. I'm gonna give, yeah, to me, I guess it's all over whoever takes on, takes on what. I feel like that's the only player on the game. He generally lines up against the right tackle. Justin: Okay. Jake: He generally comes not from the blind side. He moves around, he plays inside sometimes. He's a 3-4 end so he does move around. I feel like they start an end with him and there is no offense that I can see other than one guy but no quarterback. They got no running game. I don't think their defensive backfield is very good. So it's really one guy. And I feel like you can plan around one guy. He is their team. You know, but he's going to line up over Brian Winters a lot. Yeah, that's going to be tough. Hopefully they're not going to line up over Jack. Meaning he's going to, I mean, he will, but he's going to try and work his way through Brian Winters, and that's going to be something to watch. So it's Blau Powell back. Yeah. We get to have an interception, interceptions injuries. So I think mangleds fine. Not on the thing. Decker is not even on the great thing anymore. Pryor's gonna be playing. Marty's gonna be playing. Not so excellent. Okay, well, more bodies. We need bodies. I think Wacon we know is out this season. Is that me and Milliner is playing or not? Milliner was sick this week for non-whatever. He didn't play last week. No, he didn't. He was dressed, but he didn't play. Interesting. So I think the guy is... He's got prior back. That's great. It's like a toe for Brandon. I think that's and That's just whatever. He's fine. Um, who else was limited? Anyway, I don't know. But I get Powell's back? Because that's big on third down. He's a really good third down back from a- Right. He knows where to go. He knows where to go. Here's what I'm saying. I think that this, I think that we can actually get in school on this team. It's going to be quick passes. I think you're going to see, I think actually the guy who I think is going to do really well,

51:02 Jake: I think it's going to be Decker. I think Decker is going to have, he's been, he always had a touchdown in every game but one. Well, Jonathan Joseph will probably be covering Marshall, which is a tough match. And he's good. So do we get do we get Quincy and Nuno back? you I'm going to be quinceanoon while I'm going, I'm going to go look him up. It doesn't say anything. Okay, of course not news. All right. So I think we're going to win. I actually think we a we're going to win well. I feel like this is a game that this is not a good what they are. They're going to play a little tough at home. I don't think I'm scared about that. I think the Jets need a little get out of their own heads. I think kind of I don't know. I think they need to win this one. Next week's not easy. You got the dolphins. Dolphins are gonna be looking for some payback, some London payback. Key of the castle. God, don't fuck it up. How's that? Don't fuck it up. Don't fuck up. You know, I think in defense we should have shut them down. So I think they'll score 17. And I think we'll score 30. So I think the Jets are actually going to roll this week. Big, big, big week for our offense. I'm liking it. So Jets win, Jets win, Jets win. Again, I want my team to win all the time. I just, I have long-term questions, questions. I'm questioning my long-term. All right, that's it for us. We'll be back, maybe not next week, because it's Happy Thanksgiving, but I guess if we win, we have to go back. We could try. Are you leaving going anywhere for the holidays? Oh, you're not? So maybe we could... Usually I do, but I'm not. So we might be doing Monday or Tuesday or Wednesday. We could sneak one in there if we do a win. If we do a good win, how about let's make the promise. If we win, we will podcast. Sure. Because if not, we'll be crying in our milk. See you next week, kids. As always, Justin and Jake Zang. Let's go Jets! You