Now or Never

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Onan! You're the best in life. To crush your enemies, and they'll hear the lamentation of their women.

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Machine transcript generated in 2026 by Grok Bot from the episode audio (Whisper small.en + sherpa-onnx speaker diarization). Speakers labeled Opening / Jake / Justin. Timestamps about every three minutes. Diarization note: HOST_LOCK: after Opening, host/welcome voice = Jake; other = Justin; host-first-speech cluster=0 @ 5.5s → Jake; other-primary cluster=1 → Justin; Jason-ref Jake cluster 0 sim=0.66.

00:05 Jake: see them driven before you, 3, 2, 1, Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Justin: Welcome to the show! Start it! Jake: Welcome to your kingdom, punk. God dammit. Is that what this is gonna be? Justin: This is gonna be so weird. Start the show. Jake: Started. Justin: Good. Let's go. Jake: Alright. That's it. You just fucked up the whole starting. Now we're gonna lose the patch because you fucked up the starting. It's done. It started. We're talking. Justin: God damn it. It started to show. Jake: Justin's on drugs again. All right, let's talk news and notes. Longest word on the news, guest podcast ever. Justin: Do you want to talk about this Odell Beckham nonsense or do we just want to do it? Jake: What's the nonsense that he got fine? That he was being a dick. That he's what? Justin: He was being a real dick. Jake: Yeah, apparently they were doing some racial slurs and shit to him and some like, and some like gay stuff. Justin: They should have both been thrown out of that game. Jake: They totally should have been thrown out. Like multiple times. Justin: We were watching it together and we were like, what is going on here? Jake: That's when the NFL's kind of, kind of a dick. They're like, we rather let these guys in because this is kind of this, this game is on these two guys. Like this game is a, it's like a fight. It's like a heavyweight fight. Like you can't throw up Mike Tyson and Buster Douglas. Like you have to let them in there. Cause that's who's fighting. That's who you came to see. Justin: Buster Douglas, really? Yeah. I went Buster Douglas. I went with Buster Douglas. Jake: I don't know, I feel like the Evo should have been, one guy suspended for Wii C. Justin: Fantasy finals for a lot of people just got very bad very fast. Are you one of those people? No, I know you're not you're out in that league. That's brutal though for people. Yeah, that's like come on man. Can't you wait till next week? Alright 17 well some of us play all the way through 17 Jake: Which is both fun and tough. Stupid. Well, it's okay if you're doing two weeks. Then it's like whatever. Justin: Anyway, that was craziness. Alright, let's talk about the, the Jets versus Cowboys. Jake: How about the Jets? How about the Jets and the Cowboys? How about them Cowboys? How about them Cowboys? Uh, you know what I like? No. I like the Thursday. I like the Thursday, the Saturday night game that it's the Jets game. It's cool. It was so nice to be able to win that It's cool. And then just like kick back like on the next day Justin: Puking the mouth now every true fans like you know he pulled that off way to go you let your wife schedule a dinner party

03:05 Justin: And so you couldn't watch the Jets game. Oh, yeah Jake: You're terrible Justin: Yeah, it's a little your fault best of both worlds. So I was up till about 245 watching it. Jake: I mean, other than you being a, other than you being a terrible, terrible fan. Um, I will say I, I would have rather have watched it that way. Cause I was watching it live like a true fan. Brutal fucking watching that game. I mean, brutal, just like. I re-watched it the next day on the Game Pass. This episode of Jet Kingdom brought to you by NFL Game Pass. Watch all your games again the next day. In the cloud. In the cloud. It's in the cloud, dad. So I watched it again the next day and I was like, it's not half as bad. And I find that I find, I think what happened, I'm getting, I get very emotional and worked up and you've said this about me and made fun of me before, but I get very like, Thank you. Like angry at the game as is going on when things aren't going right and and and then I look back at it When I read the next day and I'm like, wow, we didn't look as bad as I looked when I was watching it But uh, yeah, it was not you live and die with every inch I do but that's the kind of fan I am it doesn't if you if that makes me inch if that makes me a bad fan All nine and a half Um, I don't know why I said that. Apparently you know something. I do not know- Oh why? What do you know about Gino? Um, I have a couple takeaways from this game. You have takeaways? Takeaways. Justin: Like observations that are smart or just like stupid shit? Jake: Probably stupid shit. Totally stupid shit. Um... While you're probably gonna say we have a kicker problem, we have a field kicker problem. Justin: We do have a field kicker problem. Jake: We have a bigger punter problem because that guy has been so inconsistent. Justin: We have a field kicker problem. Jake: Yeah, Randy Bullock. I don't mind the extra point. Justin: That's the one I mined. Jake: I, and I don't even mind the second one. I don't know why he made the, he made, and he made the one that needed to make. He made the one he needed to make. Justin: So I guess like. But the game was really. Different because he missed the extra point and then he missed the one at half Where we should have went in with a three-point lead and instead we went in losing It left a bad taste in my mouth Jake: That's the worst taste my mouth and the thing that when I was talking to we have so downstairs in our building We have a guy who's the big Cowboys fan. We're talking about he wanted us to win because he wants he wants them to be Out and not be thinking about it And I was like, well, and I was talking to him, I was like, well, you know, the jazz, I said, this is a game that the jazz would typically blow, right? You know, it's funny, because what's probably going to end up to us is a non-jet thing, which is that we'll have a laugh and wins and we still won't make it. But like I was saying to him, well, I said, what am I worried about?

06:01 Jake: McFadden? Like we don't let people run on us. That first drive you ran 51 yards. Justin: Well, he didn't. They ran a reverse. Jake: Okay, so they ran on us all the way down the field. Yeah, they tricked their way down. And I really, and I was like, I couldn't believe that Matt Castle, if you told me too that Matt Castle was gonna not have any touchdowns and they were throwing some frickin' rookie, I'd be like, they're not gonna score a point. Justin: Actually, that was a plan. Afterwards, I... Found out you found out when you interviewed somebody no because I listened to other podcasts and you're a whore You noticed while watching the game Jerry Jones had Jimmy Kimmel in his box. Yes, and Jimmy Kimmel's Cousin Sal is a regular on another podcast. I listened to Okay. Every Monday, him and Bill Simmons do the NFL picks thing. And he's a huge Cowboys fan, so he went and he was in the box. And apparently, before the game started, Jerry Jones said to them, are you ready to see a quarterback change tonight? Like before the game started so they knew that if castle didn't come out and like Like the world on fire right? He was done and apparently they that That Interception on an intentional grounding Jake: That was the best what was what was interesting about that play is Castle actually made a good move he went to throw it and it was who was it screen? Justin: He was jump the jump the screen standing right there. He jumped the screen and he was like throw it to me Jake: Dude, I dare you and he pulled it back like he was halfway in the throwing motion. He pulled it back Justin: He tripped and he couldn't throw it out of bounds Jake: But then instead of just like whipping it away, he then started we started to trip and whatever and like yeah Justin: And he's trying to throw it away. I think you can't even throw it out of bounds out of bounds Anyway, just that was one off. Yeah, so they they were able to move the ball sort of we We did have a moment that pissed me off in the game Where it was like Oh? Fitz I haven't seen you do that in a couple games where they were driving down the field and Um, whatever the fuck this quarterback's name is, Kalamore threw a pick in the end zone. Jake: Yes. Justin: And like two plays later- Prior, right? Yeah, prior. And like two plays later, Fitz, give it back. Right. In scoring position and they scored. Right. And I was like, ah, man. again. Shit, thought we were past that one. Jake: Right, but he's had many good games in a row without picks. Justin: I just thought we were like past the, like you can throw a pick. I just don't like throwing picks in so that the team has the ball already in scoring position. Jake: Right. Oh, I hear you.

09:02 Justin: Anyway, I uh, it was a good game. It was not a good game. It was a brutal game. It was a good game. It was a good game. Fid's played pretty well. He played great at the end when he needed to. The ball was, you know, coming out. Blahpow was excellent. Catching the ball at the end of the halves and whatever. The scary that we didn't need the right read when when he needed to yes through the ball the Kembril Tompkins He was wide open. Yes with the fuck Kembril Tompkins, but boom down the field, right? now you're in field position the game was basically over and You know once again on the road short week We come out with a win and it was pretty awesome. Jake: And the end of the day, I mean that's sort of where the NFL is. The end of the day you're going to look and you're going to see a win and you're not going to know that it was against a really shitty team that that, you know, was kind of brinking on the you know, on the end of their season anyway. They were playing but they pulled out Their third string quarterback? Justin: Because Castle, they brought it off the street after... No, no, no. So, Romo, original backup was Weeden. So that's second. And then Castle, they traded for with the Bills. Third. Kalamor, when they released... When they released Weeden, it was Kalamor. Fourth. And then we didn't finish the game for the Texans this week and won. Jake: So what I said was fourth string quarterback, they're bringing this guy who's never played a game and that scores on us which is painful and in front of Reavis which was painful. I know it's just one of those things you know but anyway I'm glad we won. I actually just want to put this game behind us. Name your night and your play of the game. Justin: all right so I want to go defense. Oh, yeah, I want to go defense I could go offense because there I think there was a guy who played really well. I by already named Let me go defense and i'm gonna give it to prior Okay, I think I've said it before On this very podcast He's really good He's like really good That is a good safety tandem and Pryor makes it better. He's great. He's a good hitter. He tackles. He made an interception. He had a pass defense. He had four solo tackles and four assists. He's just kind of all over the place. So I'm going to go ahead and give my player my night. to Powell. Oh, not Powell, sorry. They both start with a P. Jake: Yes, that's I could, it's easy to understand, yes. Justin: So Calvin Prior gets that. Um, and I'll just use his, even though it wasn't a big play in the game, his inner, I mean it was, but they ended up scoring anyway, but I'll just throw his interception as the... to play the game even though it wasn't really the

12:02 Jake: Kimbell Tompkins catch was the play of the game. Yes. I mean and I'm and I'm gonna give it to Fitz because II mean I've kind of doubted this guy all year in the last four games. What's what's what I'm struggling with as a fan is I'm starting to kind of believe. in him as a player. I know, but it's happening. It's happening. And I'm kind of thinking, well, maybe he's a guy who we have around for like two more years and he goes into training camp and it's him and and petty and maybe that's kind of like our thing for next year. It's like, hey, we got this guy who got us to. 10-11 wins last year and we got this guy who's learning behind him and if one should outplay the other or if one should get hurt then there's the other guy to back him up and then that's how it could work out. It's starting to... I really like the fourth quarter. Something about him is turning on and really good quarterbacks, when it matters they make plays. Really good quarterbacks. I've seen him now and I don't think he's a really good quarterback But I've seen him in a couple games now have to drive and have to make plays and have to make smart plays and have To know when to run for it and he seems to be able to do that So I'm picking Fitzpatrick and I'll pick the touchdown It was a great it was actually a pick with Marshall came in for the pick and they just did the defense just didn't know what the hell was on and And yeah, well, there was only one throwing touchdown Decker went in and you know Decker's been really good, too I don't know he could be he could be one of those that end them they have now set records for the Jets The number one end of my thinking the NFL tandem in terms of turns of touchdowns Fitzpatrick's three away from from beating or tying tying down away from tying Vinnie so we got two games three touchdowns it's possible yeah I'm a little I'm still worried about Ivory I don't know it seems like his production is just kind of like on this downward spiral but while pals seems to be on this upward spiral Ridley is just a waste of roster spot. That guy I don't know every time he runs I'm like oh look at the oh no he's so slow don't you think like if if if Ivory got hurt would you feel good we have a Ridley back there? No. Not at all. Alright so let's let's move on what else we got? We have Pro Bowl announcements. Yeah we Justin: got three. Three. Mo Wilkerson finally made it. Awesome. that's unbelievable Jake: as crazy Justin: up , now that is priced just went up again Jake: in.

15:00 Justin: Reavis made it because he's named ran and ran and Marshall maybe because he deserves it because he's Jake: He's real deals and deserves it really deserves it really does Where's his wreck? I mean, I can see getting close to like his personal season records Justin: I feel like he set a couple of records for himself in terms of hundred yard games Specifically like in a row I feel like he's getting close in terms of touchdowns and I don't know about receptions. I know he's getting... I know he's had... There was one that he did which was 100-yard games. He's had a lot of them this year. Jake: Let's move on and talk about the thing that we don't want to talk about because it's painful to talk about. Because we went into this week with not controlling our own destiny. We then were in controlling our own destiny for one whole day and then by the end, as the Stuers beat up on the Broncos, we were out. We were out. of controlling our own destiny. And now we're back to where we were before, which is we still need someone to lose and we need to keep winning. And so right now, you have it written here, the Chiefs, we actually have three people. I think that's the only good thing that came with this is that we now have three teams we need to lose, not two. So we have a higher percentage chance that they'll lose. Justin: Yes. I still feel as though. I think it's. I still feel as though. Like I know which team I think is the one that would be the one to falter, but I have a feeling that two of them are going to. The problem is we have to win. Jake: We are the one, out of the three, we could be the one to falter. Justin: Out of the four, we need to win. Jake: So what, do you know what the thing is? Chiefs go, I think they have like... Justin: They have two very easy games. Jake: They have like puffs. It has the Cleveland Cincy? No. Baltimore. They have Baltimore than Cincy? Justin: No, Baltimore than Cleveland. The Broncos have Cincinnati. Which is the one that I think they're gonna lose on Monday night. Okay, even though it's a backup quarterback It's the Broncos backup quarterback, right and then they have San Diego Jake: Which is a win unless there's just one of the fuck no, right and then Chiefs have I actually don't know Justin: Well, you're good at what you do. I'm gonna find it though. The Chiefs Have an easy one. I know they've Cleveland this week and There they're home for that and then they have Oakland okay, and they're home for that, too Jake: Yeah, I mean only I I could still couldn't go in there winning though Justin: You could see Oakland Kansas City winning all these games in a row, but you could see Oakland going in a winning Jake: I could see Oakland winning one

18:01 Justin: I just see Andy Reid as being a shit coach and like that just happening Jake: I mean the only thing about Pitt is they are up against two division rivals and those division rivals Justin: Well, they're not losing to Baltimore. They could they're not absolutely could do you know who Baltimore starting quarterback is? It's Case Keenum. No, how is it? I wish it was Case Keenum. It's Jimmy Clausen. Jimmy Clausen I'm Jimmy Clausen may as well be. All right, that's just not happening. You look like Jimmy Clausen It's just not happening. I don't like that Cleveland is in the mix here so much Jake: No, it's a lot of Cleveland bad. Well, here's the thing. We just have to freakin win. It doesn't matter Yeah and honestly I don't really want to talk about this until We play our game like to me the playoffs are not are a billion miles away and at 430 on Sunday we can then evaluate are they closer or farther away. They're either four billion miles away or they are close. Because at that point, we have to win this game. First of all, we just have to be the team that is good. Justin: I just want to see, I really want to see the gents be the team that's good. Well, that might happen on Sunday. Jake: Well, let's see if it does. All right, let's get to our pick-em. I'm kicking your butt. Yeah, well one week. I had a bad week. You had a good week three points. You're not three points ahead Looking pretty good. All right, but you have you have a foreburger down here that you could easily slide right back into So we have two Thursday night games. No we don't. Yeah we do. Yeah we have two Thursday night games. No we don't. We have the Thursday night game and then we have the Thursday night game that they play on Saturday. Yeah. That's the Thursday night game. Just cause you don't know the vernacular. Justin: Then there's a Saturday. That's a Thursday. Thursday night football. Sunday nighter and a Monday nighter. Jake: There are nine are in there somewhere How many fours do we have only three three so have you see four where do you read three? Okay, there are three three fours Justin: Three fours. Okay, let's go pick a blend. Yes, Oh San Diego. Yeah, I'm eating less Thursday night matchup In Oakland, it's giving five points Jake: And I will take them. Yeah, okay. I mean I don't care. I don't care. Oakland go Justin: Philadelphia on Saturday night is hosting Washington. Yeah, big one It's a big boy matchup on a Saturday night to play off meaningful man time and Jake: Philly's favorite right three at home. Give me Washington. I think I'm more on the Kurt Cousins Washington thing than I am on the Philly Philly thing I Justin: Want to see Deshaun Jackson just go kind of nutty go nutty. Maybe all right Alright moving along to Sunday early early early Carolina He is at Atlanta, Carolina.

21:04 Justin: Very good team. Jake: Very good team. They they they are they are beating up on teams now. Justin: I'm starting to believe favored by seven. And they pretty much score somewhere in the 35 point range every game. I don't think Atlanta can keep up with that. So I'm gonna go with Carolina. Yeah, that seems to be an easy one plus they have Norman to throw on Julio Jake: And Julio's hasn't even been that Julio s then what right? All right Justin: Detroit is hosting San Francisco Detroit's favored by nine San Francisco is awful. They have a quarterback named bling Gabbard I like, oddly enough, Detroit to win by more than nine points. That is crazy sauce. Jake: It's too many points, but so I'll take, I think, I think, I just think nine is where you get into that like, teams get ahead, but then they kind of like back off and let teams get back in. Detroit's not a good team, so it's not like you can't play against them. Justin: Alright, we have Tennessee hosting Houston, which is off. we know no mariota so it's definitely mittenberger for tennessee and then for houston we're not sure it might be hoyer maybe i think it is hoyer it's not tj8 because he tours acl i'm just gonna go houston i don't really care Jake: I'll just take Houston to whatever Can the city's hosting Cleveland and giving 12 and a half I'm picking Cleveland go next Justin: Yeah, I'm picking Cleveland because too many points and I'm rooting for Cleveland Miami is playing later Jake: I said Miami. Yeah, I know good job. You fucked it up. I fucked that up. You're in drugs Justin: Is hosting Chicago Tampa favored by three like Chicago Really? Yeah, I don't know why I Jake: Tampered home my Tampa at home. I don't think they're good. I don't think they're good, but Chicago's terrible Give me Tampa at home Justin: Uh, Pittsburgh is going to Baltimore. Pittsburgh's favored by 10. I'll take Baltimore. Thanks. Let's move along. Jake: I'm gonna take Pittsburgh in this. Sorry, I can't do that. All right, New Orleans Justin: in our first four o'clock game Is hosting Jacksonville in a game that no one will be watching. Drew Brees hurt? Maybe? Hurt? torn planter fashion just don't I feel like this is the one that sees play I Jake: think sees playing too I just don't know why they don't shut him down shut them Justin: down take the three and a half points yeah I'm gonna take no at home just because they're at home I don't think that's a myth that's not a real thing okay Arizona is twisting Green Bay they're favored by four and a half

24:01 Justin: Arizona is very good. I like Arizona. Give me Arizona. I think this is gonna be very close. I'm gonna pick Green Bay Seattle is hosting St. Louis Jesus 13 and a half they're crushing people right now, and I'm gonna keep picking them to crush people Jake: So I usually stay away from a 13 and a half point spread, but I'm not gonna stay away from this Seattle at home case Keenum Justin: on the road on Seattle's quarterback is the hottest in the league right now by far yeah all right Minnesota is hosting the Giants favorite by six that's a lot I think that's a Beckham swing I may change this depending on what happened as I'm picking this game as though he's playing even though he's suspended I he's he's Well, he's battling it now. And I think he'll get overturned. I feel like he might actually win. So if Brady can play every game this year, so can back him. That's my thing. He didn't deflate any balls. So I'm going to take the Giants with the six, even though I don't know if they're going to win. They really need it. Jake: I'll pick mini. Justin: And then Denver's hosting Cincinnati. Denver's favored by three and a half. I'm going to take Cincinnati. Thanks. Jake: He's just all heart now aren't you? I will take Cincinnati as well. Justin: Let's get to the throne picks. Jake: Let's get there. What have we do last week? Ooh three and one for me and two and two for you Justin: Okay We have Dallas, uh, heading to Buffalo. Buffalo is favored by six in this game. Buffalo doesn't have a running back. Jake: Are we starting? They'll be starting some guy. Justin: Some dude, Carlos Williams, I guess. But what does Dallas have? Callum, what? What the fuck's the name? Callum Moore, Callum Clements. Buffalo. I mean, I don't know how to rate them. Are they going to fire Rex? Are they just going to be done with him? Jake: I think they might. They might be a one and done. Justin: I think they're very, very six and ten. Do they just fire him? They're like, you didn't make us any better. Jake: You know, we made us worse. And this defense that was we spoke at a great defense is like number one. Justin: It's worse. And you're supposed to be the offense actually kind of got better. And that's why you don't know anything about offense. Jake: And you tell everybody you don't know anything about offense. I kinda wanna be fired. Justin: I kinda just wanna watch him on TV as an analyst. Jake: I kinda want him just to be fired because then it kinda makes me think like, it makes the best out of him and then he's really not like he's a coordinator right but he goes he wins the Super Bowl as a head coach like Pete Carroll does that he's like or we lost a guy, or Bill Belichick. Or, oh no, Tuna never went back, right? He never won another one. two with Giants he went he went he went championship one championship

27:02 Jake: he chipped playoffs no playoffs think so Giants, I, two Super Bowls, yes? Are we disagreeing on that? Then went to New England. They went to the Super Bowl. They did. and they lost. They did. Okay, so went from winning the Super Bowl to, losing the Super Bowl. Went to the Jets. Got to the AFC Championship. He did. Lost it. He did. Okay, so far I'm so good, right? You are. Alright, then he goes to Dallas. Yes. Think they got to a playoff maybe not Justin: They lost Jake: To Miami as a general, whatever the fuck Okay, so what I said originally was actually true he went on downward swing he never got his bet He never he peaked at the Giants in terms of wins Yes, okay. I mean, I don't think that that's about him, but I'm just saying I was Justin: I'll go Jake: I'll give Dallas the extra three for kicking extra But other than that they do a good kicker And we record rackets for Andy I think it's it's it's they've already said that what space is not playing Where the house but I've read that he's playing so that's what I've been I don't know. I'm gonna say 7- or 2017 Miami. I think Miami wins, but by three points. Justin: I don't know why you would think that they would score any more points than- Jake: I don't know why you would think better than you last week. So I clearly know what I'm doing. I'm a truth teller. It's really clear. I'm true. I'm a truth teller. Is it? Yeah. Justin: Alright, let's get to the actual game. Like, who are the Jets playing? Jake: Why? Why don't we have the puff end? Like, why don't we have Baltimore and San Francisco as our last two games? I know that's the divisional thing. They'll never... Why don't we have Miami and Buffalo as our last two games? Justin: It's not all divisional. That's all. A lot of it's divisional. But it's not because Denver's playing Cincy Jake: Yeah Why didn't this get flexed either? This seems like a perfect flex. This is the flex of the year Yeah, I don't know why this thing. I mean, this is like this is too great We're the one who rather than the two teams that beat them, but we came very close Justin: I think the Giants, Minnesota is also very good Jake: That's the Sunday night? Justin: Yeah, because the Giants have a lot to have a lot going there as do as the Minnesota like, seems really have a lot going there. The Pats don't have shit going. They they they're they're going to have home field.

30:01 Justin: That's it. Jake: Yeah. Anyway. All right. So let's talk about this. So how the fuck do we beat the Pats? When's the last time we won against them? I can't remember. Justin: Honestly, I can't. Jake: I'm going to look it up. Justin: It wasn't last year, was it? Jake: I'm looking up, I'm looking up, I'm looking up the history. Here we go. 80s, 90s, 2000s, 2000s, and 10s. We winner. The last time we beat them was on October 20th, 2013 in overtime in MetLife Stadium. We met in 2014 twice. We lost both times, 2725 and 1716. They have basically owned us except for three times out of the last however many times we've met. I hope you enjoyed it. Thank you so much. I mean, they have really owned us. Sadly, we have not won the last three meetings, so we didn't win it all last year, and we lost this year. So we have not beat them since October 2013, which is two years ago. But we don't know what I think that says. We're fucking due. We're due. We're due. I think that's what- If there ever was a team, right? Even under Rex, Rex got this team organized. and pumped up or whatever, but sometimes they just come out and shit the bed, like the butt fumble game and the game we got absolutely destroyed up in in in uh, you know, 42 or something, I believe 49, 49 19 that game, November 22nd, 2012. Um, I feel like the thing I'm kind of enjoying about Bulls is that And I think it's working, is his very just next team up. And he seems to be able to get his team to come out and play at a consistent level. I don't think they're playing at the highest level ever, because they come out flat very often in the first half of the game. Seems like their second half is when their defense shuts it down and their offense kind of gets going a little bit. But, so like if there was a team that you could believe in, A, we didn't lose badly in New England. We lost by seven points, and we had a chance to win. And that's even a game where we started with the first third play. We handed it over to them at the, what, 30. Kept him to a field goal, right? He fumbled the ball. So, I mean like... We still have to play the game that we're gonna play to beat the path which you have to play a perfect game You have to play the perfect game Or you need to do the two punts for touchdowns or like whatever Eagles did like special teams nonsense We're just like how does that happen? It just happens He's already had his bad game of the year. He's already gotten that out of his system. So this, so, and even looking at the spread, what are we, three point dogs?

33:02 Jake: We are. Home dogs? I'm a home dog. I like a home dog. So there's, we have a chance to win this. As much as like, it's hard for me to believe because the Pat's sort of owned us. I think this is a team that unlike in the last couple years, although looking at the scores, like let's see last year, 25 points, 16 points, 27. Like where a team could actually hang 30 on somebody, like we can actually score. We can actually go down the field when needed, throw the ball, make big plays. Who are you? Well, I've seen it happen. This team has put up 30 points a couple of times this year. Like this is a good team. It's going to have to be done with Jake. I'm trying to believe man. Jake mask off. I'm trying to believe. So can we win this game? Yes. I don't think it'd be the highest scoring game in the world. We'll lose. We'll lose a shootout. But I'm actually going to pick the reverse of the of the game that we played in New England. I'm going 3023. J E T S, Jess, Jess, Jess, Keys of the Castle. about perfection and You can't fucking miss a field goal. No missing extra points. No fumbles. I Mean, I'd love to see the turnover ratio goes our way, but it's so rare against the page page You said oh, they don't really give the ball up that often You get a fumble I guess or two, but you're not gonna get like four interceptions Like we don't get the fucking Cowboys for receptions I mean, you're just not gonna get that. If you get one, it's gonna be some crazy tip. So I think we can win this, but boys, it's gonna be a tough fucking game. And, but we'll be there. So that'll be the good news. And I think my brother is coming down. Which is not a good omen, because he has never, I don't think he's ever seen the Patriots losing. Sure fuck has. Justin: Okay, no, in MetLife. In the Metalands. We don't say that last week's head my life so give me keys the castle Just like for for Lyman and then just play like seven DBs Possible is that a way to beat them? Like hair for Lyman Are just gonna be in like one middle linebacker David Harris if he's healthy. I haven't heard anything about him He's probably fine then so like our four linemen and David Harris are gonna play and Basically, we're gonna throw safeties and corners all over the place and you're just gonna have to think and dunk your ass down the field and slow the game down that way and dare them to run the ball with their shitty running backs Jake: they're not gonna run the ball they never know what they're gonna do what they didn't they didn't run the ball against us before and they beat us Justin: don't know what they're gonna do you have no clue they could come out and run the ball Jake: 50 straight times they'll lose they will lose that game every single time Justin: they ran the ball quite a bit last week yeah yeah but not against us because i don't think I don't think Adamin's ready to come back.

36:02 Justin: Nope. So they have Gronk, Lefel, Kishon Martin. I know. I have no weapons. It just irks me to no end that they can do this without any talent. Jake: Again, if there were a time to beat them, now is the time. Justin: Gronk. Fucking Gronk. Triple arms the key to the castle Murder town Brady on the second play of the game. No That's good analysis there but and break Gronk's leg in the same play Okay, like basically just take like an IK Encompolly type player and be like your jobs to break his legs Jake: I I take the 15. All right. So what do you wait take the 15 while we wait take the win? Justin: So we can take the win and and you're rejected later Jake: We'll do that we'll do that when we're in the playoffs Justin: There's no key to beating the Patriots because they're so different every time you play them but I guess if you were to have to like say one thing and be like you gotta hit Brady like that's it You just got to make a move off his spot and you have to do it in a way that is Conspicuous well inconspicuous. I don't know. Yeah, you're good at this Fuck is happening like before it happens. So you have to disguise it in a way that He can't figure it out, but he just figures it out. So you can't really blitz him because he knows he's like fuck dad touchdown, right? and You can't really just Rush with four unless you really got it going well Jake: If you think about the way we lost last time we lost because I think a lot because they got the ball last They got the ball ass. They also we let Gronko free. Remember, it's blitzing. Yeah, but you let Gronko free. Don't let Gronko free. It blitzes. And you got to get you got to get the thing about Brady. I mean, again, I've heard or read this or whatever on them. So this is not my original thought, but like. it's about getting pressure through the middle. He's okay, you come on the side, he steps up, he's like, whatever, coming from the side, but if you get through the middle, he gets very, he'll get, basically, he's not gonna take off, he's never gonna run. So you get in the middle, he's a guy who can't handle it, so that's the way, you gotta hit him up the middle. This is all about our defensive front and to see them make a move. They get through that front, their front, and they can put pressure in his face up front. I feel like we have a good shot. And then we just can't, we can't have dropped balls. We can't, I mean, last time Marshall had two dropped balls, one in the end zone. Right. We had fumbles and losses, maybe two didn't Ivory fumble up one, two. Justin: You gotta run the ball. You gotta hold the ball. Well, right. That was the game, too. You also need to win the coin toss. Jake: I've, I've, Ivory came out last time and was like ineffective the whole game.

39:01 Jake: Like he comes on the sideline the whole time. Justin: I know it's funny, but you do need to win the coin toss. Don't win the coin, just win the game. No, you need to win the toss so that you defer. Jake: But what I'm liking about this team is I've seen them come back. They've been a team that's kind of learned how to come back again against crappy teams, but they're still doing it, where they're under and they come back at halftime and they kind of work their way up. I don't think that works against the pass. I don't, there are, I mean, they have lost a few games and it's been from being behind and they've had teams come up on them. I just don't think that's a very good method. We have to stay even with them, get the ball last, get it, be it, you know, 23, 23, 23, with four minutes left to go in the game, drive down the field, score a touchdown, leave 20 seconds on the goddamn- I know, too much. Four seconds. Too much. Too much, it's four seconds? Zero seconds. Zero seconds, score a touchdown with zero seconds left. Zero seconds. Yeah. That's the only way to win that game. So what's your score? Justin: I closed the fucking thing. 23, 24. You ever was winning by a one? 24, 23. Jake: 24, 23? Okay, you ever was winning by a point? One point. All right, well. Justin: No, no point is. Jake: Let's see, we'll be back. Maybe next week. Oh yeah, we're going on vacation. You're going down. Nola. So I don't know if we'll be back next week. Justin: The reason I'm gonna hang out and I'm gonna recruit... Jake: I mean if the Jets win against the Pats, I think we owe it to the world to come back and podcast. Justin: I'll be back on Monday. Jake: Yeah, no I'm saying we just owe it to the world. Justin: We owe it to the world, we owe it to Gina Smith. Jake: And if the Jets win and any one of those other three teams loses, we really owe it to the world. Because then that next matchup means a shit ton. which I'm almost more worried about than Pat's because the Pat's is like you have to win this the next one's like oh crap He would love nothing more than to beat us and keep us out of playoffs Alright with that being said we'll be back next week Justin and Jake saying let's go Jets