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Onan! For this best in life. To crush your enemies. And to hear the lamentation of their women.

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00:05 Justin: To see them driven before you. Jake: 3, 2, 1, 1, 2, 1, 1, 2, 1, 1, 2, 1, 1, 2, 1, 1, 2, 1, Welcome to the Jack Keenan Podcast. Longest running New York Jets podcast. Ever I'm Jake and joining me in our special secret studio aka my apartment Is Justin? Hey, buddy. I Justin: Have four words for you Jake: That's no Rex Justin: Those are four good words, but no those are not my words. Oh, okay. Shut the fuck up. Is that a word? Those are my, to you. Wow. You're a non-believer. And now you're a believer. Now you're like, oh, oh look at what we have here. I'm gonna jump back on this bandwagon because I was done four weeks ago. Done. in. Don't text message. Done. Period. Jake: That's right. That's the way. I'm done. No. No. Look right here. See what the letter says? Justin: What's the letter? What is that letter? Jake: From the NFL it says. Justin: Listen, Herman. You don't have that letter yet, Herman. You don't have that letter yet, Herman. Herman. Jake: This team has four games has damn impressed me. How about five? I guess five. Justin: They've won five in a row. Jake: Yeah. I'm not. I'm not impressed by the beating up on the teams that have three wins. I'm impressed by waiting for Patriots. Justin: Why? You're supposed to beat up on teams with three wins and you beat them up. Yeah, that's like what you're supposed to do. That's right. That's why you should be impressed. Jake: I am. I'm saying I'm impressed. I'm impressed by the team. Justin: But you just said, but I'm not impressed when they beat the three-win team, but you should be because every week is a different game and you can totally lose. Jake: Yeah, but we also lost the cheating teams too, so it's like... Justin: We lost to one shitty team. Jake: I, I, again, I'm, I'm, I'm very. Justin: Shut the fuck up. Everyone who's been listening to this religiously throughout the season knows that you've been a bitch. Jake: No, I haven't. I've been realistic. I've been saying I'm concerned. I don't think that they, they haven't shown that they can beat good teams. How about now? They have shown they can beat a good team. Justin: Have they shown they have resiliency? Yes. that they have something to them down the stretch that they can drive when they have to that they can score 20 some odd points top 10 defense top 10 offense yes top red zone everything well you have been the whole year see what you're the weird part about you is this is the weird part about you so i've known you for a while 10 plus years They're usually a big big picture. Oh Scenario to see the big except for this your

03:05 Justin: But there are things that you are for not a lot and you care so deep life your life blood It's so able to get out of nitty-gritty and see big picture things except for this Jake: things generally I control and those things I have some say in sports and the Jets I have no say in. The other thing is... What are you talking about? You're one of the most influential podcasters out there. I've also been let down by this team so many times. So is everybody. I know. Get with the program. That's what they are. That's what happens to fans if you've been a fan for a long time is sometimes you just get to like... I've seen this story before and so... Justin: Is it a fairytale? Jake: It is, well it of a a fairytale if it all works out like a fairytale. I have been skeptical of this team a team good teams and to put up a good show and to drive and to make the comebacks and not just go in and take some high score high school JV team football team and go out and put up 40 on them. I have been skeptical that they can go in and beat a good team when they need to. And they have proven over the last five Justin: I'm believing in I'm believing in I'm so in this year that they suck. Like, it makes no sense., But you were saying they suck. Makes no sense. Jake: Because they're saying they haven I would prove it to me that they can go back and find the podcast. Justin: It's very weird that that you have these like feelings about next year while we're still in this year. And you know damn well that the NFL is a year to year thing. And if you put the right system in place that you can that you can be successful over time. And if you. If you look at this year, you have to think that what they've put in place from a building blocks perspective is there to build out. Jake: into the future. I think now that I've seen a the journeyman quarterback the seven teams or six teams in seven that the guy without a winning record overall, I've seen this guy change and I can't tell whether it's, and again, I'm believing in it, is it because he's better?

06:00 Jake: Is he a better quarterback than he was before? Is it because they've put incredible weapons around him? They've undrafted a game plan around him that's great, and he is able to execute on that game plan? I mean, I'll spoil work for my night. I run around because you hate when I pick coaches but Chang and Galey, like, that play calling in that game was some of the best I've seen. Like, you know how I always say like, Marshall's been, you know, like, I've never seen a wide receiver in green and white play like that? I watched a really good offensive game plan that even though when they weren't missing when they were missing Some of the dropbacks is a lotta like but it just work and they were near. They had some very near misses Justin: Mrs. Did you watch that the game on TV? I Re-watched the whole thing. Yeah, as did I we were there It's hard when you're there and then you rewatch and on TV. So a couple things that I didn't realize when I rewatched it on TV first, how depleted the cats ended up getting. I didn't realize how many injuries happened during the game. Jake: I know they lost an alignment, yeah. Two. Justin: Yeah, like both left tackles. So it was like, and then I didn't, like you kind of don't realize it but... Every time Brady went back to pass we were on him. Yeah, it was either Richardson or Wilkerson or Malden He had somebody no time no time zero and that's why every pass was like for four yards I think they won long pass the whole game. Yeah, that was it to Gronk and They were able to. Jake: And by the way, he made a he made a catch that prior hit him so hard. Justin: I'm the only guy who catches that ball in the world. Everybody else breaks in half. Jake: Breaks in half and drops it. And, you know, and it's a ball, probably a penalty or. Yeah, because because they drop it. He literally got smacked in half and that and he just fell with the ball on his hand. I was like, I can't. Justin: Prior just bounced off him. He's like, I'm Gronk, you will bounce off me. Oh my god, Gronk is so good. Jake: No, he's so good and so wrong. Justin: But you're right. They had a very good plan. They knew what Bellatrix does is take away your best options. So they were going to Tompkins. They were going to Inunwa. And it was there. And they just missed it. They missed it a few times down the field. They just missed. And those are the plays where you say, damn, I wish they would have hit that one. We could have blown them out. Yeah. We really could have. We could have really blown them out. Jake: That yeah, that if if a catch would have been touchdowns. I mean it wasn't all drops Justin: It was some of them were just slightly overthrown or whatever and it's like oh And it's like oh, you know I hear I I feel like I'm a sophisticated fan at least

09:02 Justin: I feel like I know what's going on when I'm watching the game and I hear people around why wasn't that throw to Marshall and it's like Because Marshall wouldn't have been open like that, dumb fuck, he's double covered. Jake: Oh, you also can't throw the guy every down. Justin: Yeah, every down. You know what? The reason why Tompkins is open is because Decker and Marshall are being taken care of. So you do find those matchups and I think we said at the very beginning of the season when we first started watching the preseason and it was like, oh, I'm starting to get a feel for what Galey's trying to do is... It's matchups. He's spreading the field out. He's creating one on ones somewhere and someone has to win. Yes. And that's it. And if you win, if you win your matchup, this quarterback's going to find you. Because that's what the, that's what, that's what it's designed for. Jake: Like one of the things that this patch has been known for is that he kind of has his guy and he just throws them and he throws them no matter where he is or where he's covered. Justin: This game was something. Oh, yeah, right before the chemistry was really there. He was forcing it right to Marshall But over the last like five six seven weeks Spreading around some of those plays that were like, oh, that's a force Now he knows where to put it right? He's not just throwing it up like the touchdown Marshall caught the second one where he beat double coverage. He threw into double coverage. Right. But he put it in the place where only Marshall was catching the ball. He came back for it. Jake: Yeah. Justin: He did the perfect throw. And they talked about it after the game, where it was something that the two of them have a chemistry. They both saw something. They both looked at each other and signaled. Right. They got the look they wanted that they saw on tape, and they hit it for a touchdown. And that's like awesome. That's exactly what you wanna hear, it's what you wanna see. And then the reporters follow up and they say, well, what did you see? And Marshall's like, yeah, no. We saw something. Like that's it. That's the way that we're supposed to be. Like years passed, it was like, well. They're fucked hards and fucked them and we rolled over. I'm loving the fact that Bulls has this team on a week-to-week mentality. It's the right strategy. It's the right mentality. McKagnon did a good job in putting the team together. Let's not praise them too much because nothing's happened quite yet. But to be at 10-6 after winning four games last year... Jake: And go last 10 win season. Justin: 10, 2000, I think Rex's second second, relent, I think he went nine and and before that it was 2006. right man genie's gonna be first year Jake: and yes after edwards is four and twelve so funny four and twelve the next year

12:00 Justin: well the nfl is designed to do that yes you know so next year obviously ladies and gentlemen it's gonna be a little harder because you know instead of playing cleveland this year where you know you end up playing pittsburgh or you know instead of playing um just looking at the schedule that we played this year and instead of playing Oakland the and and and of this especially if you the road for those second place teams instead. That's where the bread and butter is made. Fortunately for us, and kind of blew it with Oakland. So, you know, one in one, but took care of business with the other division and couldn't be happier. So let's talk about the actual game. So you said great game plan on offense, great game plan on defense too, because there were a couple of times where Revas was when Gronk split out. Rev. Yeah. And it was, I mean, I think I saw when I rewatch the game, they threw it, Revas like twice, no receptions, one interception. Right. And it was like, okay, I'm not going to throw over there. Like Lefel was absent. Right. So... everything was just short, intermediary, four or five yard passes. It was dink, dunk. I know, but they didn't have their guys. They didn't have like Edelman to take the four yard pass and make it eight and make it 12. And like, oh crap a crap, David Harris is is covering Edelman. It's like problem. Jake: Now, we met the Patriots other than Gronk and Brady B. We met them on one of the best times to ever meet them. Yeah. Justin: They were decimating. They had a couple weeks where Gronk was out where it was like, oh man. Jake: all that the way to win this game is to play a perfect game. And yet, we didn't. We won this game not even playing a perfect game. Like, but I think the one thing we should talk about this game is, and is it conspiracy theory? I don't know. I went back and re-watched it and it was, during the game we were, you know, saying, which was, Beloachuk is trying to throw this game? Like there are things he made decisions he made that that while you know, they're defendable whatever It looked like what why did he go for it? Justin: Yes, that was the only one that I find curious after rewatching it on on

15:02 Justin: They had they had the full two minutes basically because we scored like the first play after a two-minute warning Why didn't they go forward to try to I I I know why he didn't get beat because Brady was getting After again after watching it We had the chance to put them away three times in Jake: I in. We got the ball Justin: and we got the ball in bad field position and we went three and out, we went three and out, and then we got the ball and we basically got to the 50 installed. So with 25 seconds left and no timeouts at the end of the game, because he had none, he decided, I don't have offensive lineman. I don't have a guy who can go down the field. What can I do with two plays here Gronk over the middle for 20 and then Gronk over the middle for another 20 and spiked the ball twice and set up for a 65 yard field goal It wouldn't have I get the end of the game like that. That just wouldn't have worked We were all over Brady. We had that we had that up We we had that offensive left and the half is befuddling that one didn't make sense because we weren't yet in the groove where we were hitting Brady. We were hitting him almost every play. Jake: It doesn't even matter. You can't hit the end of the half. You're getting the ball back. It's the thing that we say about the Patriots all the time. Yeah, that one. Justin: That one didn't make sense because they ran a play and it was a running play and they gained like 12 yards. It was like, oh, shit, here they go. That's the drive starter. Like they got the drive starter. And then I think they went to do it again and got nowhere. and then no time out and it's like, oh, they're OK going in 10-3. Right. They're all right going in down a touchdown, knowing they're getting the ball. They're OK. I that one was curious. The end of the game, totally defensible and and the and the kickoff thing. which is weird having now watched it on television and watching the post game. Yeah. Everyone thought that Slater didn't say the right thing. Right. But he did. They wanted, they clearly wanted to kick the ball off and they were all like, but he kept going back to their free mistake was he wanted to kick it the other way. Right. They definitely want they were going for the win. They were definitely wanted to win. They definitely wanted to kick the ball off He's done it before yeah, he did it in 2013. They won. Okay, the Vikings did it this year The Vikings won They kicked off and they won the game He was definitely seeing what happened in the fourth quarter where our offense we kind of took we kind of took our foot off the pedal And they stopped us like three or four times in a row without going anywhere. I think he was thinking, we'll kick the ball deep,

18:00 Justin: they'll get the ball at the 20, we'll get them in a three and out type of situation, like we've done the last two or three drives, they'll punt, their punter sucks, we'll get the ball at the 35, 40, and all we need is like 20 to 25 yards. Jake: One of the best kickers. And we'll win. With the wind. Justin: Well, right. I guess like that that to me was a perfectly fine and defensible strategy because when when you've done it before and you've won And you have no offensive line and you know, you can't run the ball and you basically have no receivers to go down the field I think Remember their offense scored one touchdown this game. Yeah I feel as though that was a... Jake: I don't want to let it go. The guy is wide open. Justin: Yeah, Harris was covering him. He just... He, um... He juked him. He... Harris was... It was man to man in the middle. White came out. And Harris was supposed to bump him. And you can do that to a running back when they're coming out of the backfield. You can literally just tackle them. You can push them backwards and he tried and he whiffed.B And he's just wide open. So, but I think his decision was totally defensible considering it's worked in the past. Other coaches have done it. Jake: Bulls has come out and said, it hasn't worked in the past. Why? Justin: All I know of is two times that it's ever happened and the two times they won. Jake: It's percentage wise, you wouldn't do it. Like percentage wise, you need to play. Justin: All I know is if we won the toss, we want the ball. I'm sure balls is taking the ball. I'm sure he's not kicking that ball off. We want the ball. We've done it before, right? With the Giants. We won the toss. We took the ball. I would have taken the ball. I'm putting the ball in Tom Brady's hands, but he didn't. Thank you. He outsmarted himself, which doesn't happen very often. I do not believe in a conspiracy to lose on purpose because now they've potentially lost. the number one seed. Right. So there's no way he's doing that. No, I don't. And Bellatrix too much of a... No way. He plays Tom Brady in the fourth quarter of week 17 games that mean nothing. He wants to win games. There's no way he was trying to lose. That is bullshit. All right. Tell me your play and night at the game. Whoo ha ha. So while the game was going on, I looked over at you and I said, I love that guy. And pick my guy and we haven't given this. I mean, I give him a lot of love because I love him and I think that he does things that. go rather unnoticed by most people. I'm putting myself on pedestal because they don't go unnoticed by me. Jake: So I just threw it in the mouth a little bit. Justin: So I'm picking Quincy and Nunua as my player, my knight of the game, because he's so integral to the running game. And he's our quasi tight end,

21:00 Justin: but he's a wide receiver with wide receiver skills and wide receiver speed. And that play. Like I was saying to myself as we were sitting there and we had gone like three and out three times in a row or whatever, three and out twice in a row and then didn't really move. I said. We need a big hit. We need a 40, 50 yard play because we kind of have to get down there and at the very least get in position to take a field goal because this they're kind of on to us at this point and Fitzpatrick hits in noon for basically a Patriots play. A little pick rub. And he takes a two yard pass down the sideline for like 50 and it was fast and it was impressive. And he made up for at least two, three. No, no. One. There was only one time where he dropped the ball. The other ones were not catchable. But on third down, like, you know, on the drive before to get into field goal range, the ball. hit him in the hands and he should have caught the ball. It's a tough catch. It's a catch that maybe Marshall makes, maybe Decker makes, maybe it's a tough one but Numa not gonna make. But man does he play everywhere. And he had 69 yards, none bigger than that 48 yard. play in overtime that I was it I couldn't believe how fast he was he's so big and he's just down the line Jake: Just boom I was gonna make that my play and I was gonna make it was such a big play Justin: My boy my by the way one of the one of the edsig 12 Jake: He's one of them I rewatch the play again cuz That play, I think I've seen that similar play with Sanchez and with Gino and that the um I don't know if it was a safe deal or the corner was coming and he saw it and he knew what that play was and he got stopped by Tompkins, right? A little bit of the rub. Yeah, a little rub pick. But if he had another 30 seconds or another whatever he had that pick six. It was a pick six coming. And like, so I watched it this morning, just my sphincter was twitching, watching, because you see it. The guy sees the play coming, he sees it, he's watching what's going on, he's like, I'm gonna hit it, and he starts flying towards the ball. And just because Tomkins is coming across a little bit, he like, it just gets in his way, like he couldn't get to him fast enough. Um, so amazing. Justin: How fast did he look? I mean, he's so big. And to be that fast is kind of incredible. Jake: You know, I'll just... Justin: You should go on the defense, I think. I just had to pick him because I haven't picked him all year and I like the guy. Jake: I'm gonna pick Richardson and here's why. Every time, when I was watching the replay, every time I saw he was the guy getting so close. And he wasn't touching him every time, he wasn't knocking down, but he was the guy in Brady's face.

24:00 Jake: this. a ton and he had the sack. He did have a sack. But he just he was being disruptive and he's not always disruptive. I mean sometimes he's you know in every game there's sometimes it's Mo Wilk it's Mo Wilk who's like this disruptive guy but Richard was just every time I saw him coming over from the edge and the guy couldn't block him couldn't do anything and he was just bull rushing through. Justin: Oh yeah they had their third string tackles in there. Malden. Richardson Wilkerson were just all over Brady. Yeah where he was throwing like Falling down. Yeah, like literally I don't want to get hit. I'm gonna fall and flip it. Yep. I He doesn't take huge hits, but he did take a couple. Yeah Richardson hit him pretty good a couple times so the defensive line and they did kind of what we said that they had to do which was Play nickel. Yeah the whole game and stop the run right and they did it was like Gary to run cuz we're not trying to Stop it, but we're gonna stop it regardless So Steven Jackson get on your wheelchair and try to run on us Seven seven times for 15 yards. They didn't run. I mean, come on. This is bullshit. They're not running no what they run for they they ran for 63 yards we went for 143 Jake: as they were And that could have gone the other way as well. That could have gone. Justin: That was pressure too. Someone was in Brady's face. Jake: It was Richardson. And he hit him. Justin: And. Brady threw the ball towards Gronk. Towards his general. Gronk gave up. He was like, oh, the ball's not coming my way. And he sort of gave up on the play. And Rivas is like, oh, thank you. I'll take that. Jake: But that was a huge change. Because again, I feel like they were driving at that point. They're so dangerous. They're so dangerous. They just moved like a cat or something. Justin: You can't put them away. They just don't disappear. A couple other big players just to mention, I mean, Fitz had a good game despite the fumble lost, which ended up being a touchdown. 63% completion, 109 QB rating, it's pretty good. Balal Powell was excellent, he had 56 rushing yards. He also had 34 receiving yards, so he was a weapon. Jake: What is going back to this? So the Powell ivory-riddly thing. So I know they brought in a little bit because against his whole team. Justin: Ivory Ivory also went out with the knee a little bit. But I feel as though Ivory's the starter. He gets the game started. And if he's hot, he's hot. Right. And if he's not, then they sort of change it up.

27:01 Justin: They bring in Powell and Ridley gets a series. Right. He always gets a series. each half and this was the best he's looked so they gave him I think more than one series because he had a little something. Something going on and it's probably because he was playing the Patriots so he also is coming off an ACL I mean for running back not everybody's Adrian Peters. So it sometimes takes a while. Remember he was on the putt he didn't play. I couldn't do much So he's sort finally rounding into shape, maybe. We'll see. I'm not really counting on him to do much. I like the ivory Powell combination. I think Powell is really a great weapon. He's really good between the tackles runner and he's an excellent pass catcher. And, and, and elusive. Jake: and It's been a while. In a while. I think it was the opening, that opening game against the Patriots with Rex Ryan in the first season, the one I have the game ball behind me. I think that was the last time we we actually beat them at home. I smell bacon. You smell bacon? Oh, my God. That's because there's cooking. Oh, my God. I love bacon. All right. Well, let's talk about the rest of the insanity that happened in the week. We got. Oh, yeah. crazy crazy towns They kept throwing it up there throwing the Steelers Justin: Ravens score up there And then when it went final they kind of didn't tell us They didn't tell us it went final. It was in the overtime and they didn't go final, final. Jake: They didn't want the team to get all. I just don't. They almost didn't know what we got back to the library. Justin: I just don't think they wanted the crowd to just go ape shit out of nowhere. For no reason. And then it's like. Jake: And then we could have done it during a defensive play. Like, and then we would have gone. We weren't on defense. Yeah, I guess that's why they had a model with nuts. It was probably a timeout or something was going on. So yeah, Jess controlled her own destiny. All you can ask for. That's all you can ask. I mean, it's just amazing having this many wins and still like, if you've got 10 wins. Justin: 10 usually gets the in, but 10 is usually the number that gets the in, but you need a little bit of help with the 10 usually. Sometimes this would be the right 10. I

30:02 Justin: So I don't really want to talk about like, who do you want to play and how does it shake out and all that other nonsense? Just win and whoever we play, we play. You know, if you have to go to Kansas City fine, if you have to go to Cincinnati fine. I mean, if you have to go to Denver fine, whatever. To be a bunch of those teams that backup quarterbacks that you're not really worried about you know You gotta go to Houston and play Brandon. We a Jake: choice I feel like a we played the one yeah, it was the revenge game I like playing the team again because I think that's you know you get a little bit you get a little revenge in there Yeah, yeah, plus it's the macadam going back. It's fits going back. It's like the whole thing I think it would be great thing plus I think they're the weakest of all the teams I mean since he can be dangerous Justin: Well, they're definitely the weakest of Brandon Weeden starting right at at quarterback But I mean, it's not like Osweiler's any great shakes and I don't know if Manning's coming back or not I'm not saying boo about it. It's kind of weird at this point Jake: Yeah, but didn't he just pull out a great victory last night, Oswell? Justin: It had nothing to do with him. Really? I mean, they scored like 17 points or something. Yeah, they're defense. It was overtime. I wouldn't want to see Denver because they're defense. They played AJ McCarran, like this was like two backup quarterbacks and it's like, ooh, look at these defenses. It's like, well, ooh, look, you're playing fucking backups. Like, every back, every... Backup looks like shit against any fairly decent defense from a travels perspective. I'd rather go to Houston Jake: So I've never been to Houston. Oh, I guess I've never been to Denver Denver's awesome I've been to Cincy you get high and go to the game. Yeah, cuz you're in my eye or cuz you just get my Okay. All right. Well, let's get let's get to our pick them and then we'll get to the We can get anything else in the news side Justin: Not really no no one's been like fired or anything usually there's like some firings around the last week Could be one in Buffalo could be one coming in Cleveland Jake: I'm taking your I think I'm in second place and the whole thing is weird That's big big year we were 126 is 130 is ahead of you. Yeah, I got to catch that fucker Fuck you first light. I'm catching you. Everybody has switched out this season. I am dropping like a stone but I'm at 120 oh, man Yeah Am I still in the positive? Like I have more wins than loss. Yeah. All right. Well, that's good. As long as I'm playing positive. Justin: Apparently, apparently you got to be like 58 percent. If you're like really a gambler, that's it. 58 percent's where you actually make money. Jake: All right. Well, let's let's pick this one. All right. Let's do it. Justin: Let's do it. So no Thursday.

33:47 Justin: the Pittsburgh games at one o'clock and the Chiefs game is at four o'clock. I feel like potentially Jets lose, Denver loses. Although that win last night might have pushed them. I mean, I think they're in a weird spot where they could win their division or maybe not be out in the playoffs, but at like 11 and 5, which would be really awful. Alright, let's do it. So... So it's early, it's Tuesday, so it's like... Yeah, it's early, the spreads are just sort of some there, some weird, some wonky anyway. Alright, so Atlanta is hosting New Orleans in a matchup that doesn't matter. By the way, the NFC is set. Jake: Done. Justin: Done, the only thing that's not done is who has won the NFC North. Jake: I don't understand why they flexed Green Bay, Minnesota. Because it's for a division. Justin: Yeah, I guess. That's a big thing. It's for a home game in the playoffs. It's better than any other game that they could have flexed. Jake: I'm happy that they didn't flex the Jets. Justin: It's also a good game. It's a good game. It's obviously a rivalry game, since it's a division. It's a good game. You get Aaron Rodgers, you get Adrian Peterson, and you've got, it's for the division, which is more meaningful than one team trying to spoil another team getting into the playoffs as a wild card. Jake: Yeah, but they flex that since he jets game when we were winning in we were home and there might not have been another option Justin: No, but there might not have been an option like a division because at that point I don't think it was divisions everywhere because obviously not because we were playing since II so anyway Atlanta is hosting New Orleans in a game Yeah, this really doesn't matter Atlanta's giving four. That's one too many. I'll take New Orleans. I will take no, okay Um, Chicago is hosting Detroit. There's, there is a line. It's zero, so it's not off. It's just zero. I'll take a Detroit. Jake: I will take the choice. Justin: You should just be going opposite me. Um, all right. Uh, Cincinnati is hosting Baltimore. Cincinnati is favored by seven. I chose this, but then there's news that AJ McCarron hurt his wrist last night, and they might be, Cincinnati might be down to their third string quarterback, and they're giving

36:01 Justin: seven, and that'd be like third string versus fourth string, but I don't know about the seven. I'm still going to pick Cincinnati because I think they need the win to get the... They would need to win and Denver would need to lose to get the two seed because now Denver has the tiebreak over them Jake: Uh, I will take since he just I'll take the home team. I think Baltimore just shot there Justin: Yeah, they're done. They just that was their Jake: They're going golfing. Yeah, they're done Justin: All right Pittsburgh is at Cleveland. Pittsburgh is giving 10 on the road in Cleveland I I can't see how they don't win this game 40 to 10. I think the win I Jake: Think it'll be close. This is a divisional matchup. Justin: Yeah, I don't I don't think it matters. I think Cleveland's done another thing. Jake: By the way, they're not getting rid of him. Justin: Really? I just said, oh, they might be firing a guy in Cleveland. That doesn't mean shit. By the way, Manziel and another photo drinking something. So might not be playing this week. All right. Are you happy we didn't draft him? No, yeah. All right. Dallas is also happy they didn't draft him. and their home against Washington in a matchup of pride Right Washington Washington has won the division and they can't move They're stuck there. They're the foreseed they're stuck So I wonder if they play Not Kirk Cousins, right? There's no line on this game because no one knows who's playing and for who but I'm just gonna pick Washington I feel like they want I mean, don't you think they're gonna want to just go nine and seven? Yeah, and not be eight Nate and when the division unless I'm wrong. Are they are they already nine and six? I don't think they are Jake: Redskins are Justin: I feel like they're eight and seven. Jake: You know, the stupid thing won't tell me where they are. It's like there should be a hover here. There we go. They are eight and seven. Justin: Yeah, so I feel like they're gonna wanna win, to have a winning record. So I'll just pick Washington. With no line, you never know where this is gonna go. Jake: All right, I'll go tell us. I'll play the opposite game. Justin: The one thing you know they won't do is play RG3. Jake: You know that. Because if he gets hurt, then he's almost dead. Justin: Can't have him getting hurt. He might be on the Eagles next year. All right. The Colts, who need a gaggle of things to happen for them to make the playoffs, are hosting Tennessee with no line. Tennessee's terrible. I'll take the Colts. I'll take the Colts as well. I still don't think they make the playoffs, even if Houston loses. They need. . Whole bunch other things to happen New England. I'll wait for Fucked up last week to add the Giants are hosts or no did yeah the Giants are hosting the Eagles Jake: They're giving three giants fan decide not to go to this game. Of course not Justin: The Eagles, why would you not go to this game?

39:01 Jake: That's fucking lame Justin: I've been to four and twelve better bank that for next year put that in the old bank bank All right, so I say they went by more than three becum will be back. They'll be fired up. They're gonna want to win Jake: I think they might be playing for kofflin. I think that that team. Yeah. Well, that team is I think done I think kofflin's done his time. There aren't the eagles kind of done too. They're done, too I wish they'd fire that asshole. I don't like him and I think he's Now proven that he's really done nothing. Oh, your whole system and all your geniusness and you've done nothing. Justin: You want to hear a crazy prediction? What? Has to do with the Eagles. Yeah. Alright, here we go. Jake: You're also Chip Kelly lovers. So, Chip Kelly and... Justin: Here we go. Crazy prediction. Alright, well, I'll admit that you like... Two crazy predictions about the Eagles. Alright. The first one, RG3 starting quarterback for the Eagles next year. Possible. Second one, DeMarco Murray starting running back for the New York Jets next year. Really? Really. I think he's wasted in Philly and I think he still has miles on the on the On the the tread and because they haven't really used him this year They've kind of saved him up and they're not using him right Yeah, so he just looks like shit and he cost a lot of money Jake: I don't want that. Justin: I don't want that. That's my crazy prediction for Philly. Anyway, we're taking the Giants. All right, moving along. Because we'll talk about that in the off-season. Talk about that in the off-season. Houston hosting Jacksonville. I think Houston. I think Houston. Six and a half. I'm going to take Jacksonville. Jake: All right. Go for it. Justin: Denver hosting San Diego. Denver by seven and a half. I'm going to take San Diego. It's that half I don't like with Osweiler. I too will take San Diego. Thank you. Kansas City hosting Oakland six and a half. Close game I think Oakland I'll take. I'll take KC. Well not at all. Best of the bunch at four probably or four twenty five. Arizona hosting Seattle. Don't know if it matters much for Seattle they're in. Arizona could be playing for that one seed. Because Carolina lost and if they both finished 14 and 2 I think Arizona gets it So Arizona favored by 4 I'll take them St. Louis is in San Francisco favored by three and a half. I'll take them. They're way too much for blank ever Carolina ten and a half over Tampa take Carolina they are pissed And they want to go into the playoffs like winning by lots like back to what they should be doing Okay, and then Sunday night Green Bay is hosting Minnesota Green Bay favorite by three and Can't really bet against Aaron Rodgers here. So I'll take green Jake: I think ever against ever, you know never gonna happen. Well, they just got their ass smacked. Yeah, like Justin: legit kicked

42:00 Justin: They're not that good but they're gonna win the division Jake: That's just they're gonna turn at night it's gonna be freezing All right, let's get to some throne picks last week both of us three No, look at that and I came really close on a couple of these these points like they were they were close very close and some of these actual stories i came pretty close to you were you were not very close on the indie game Justin: seven six that's pretty good and what was it like four three no it was like Jake: 20 to 17 or something whatever all right let's get there Let's make the first one first. There's only two games to talk about because they're both alright Justin: New England's going to Miami. Everyone's getting fired in Miami. I imagine you see that they already been fired Yeah, but like the rest of them. Yeah, have you seen did you see what do you put scores over there for? Like guessing new scores down in the scores, so Did you see what Brett Grimes wife? has stirred up on Twitter like yeah what Brent Grimes wife yes it goes on Twitter and is like I knew we shouldn't have come here this quarterback sucks something along those lines like he's trying to tweet trying to text and Jake: tweet instead Justin: I don't know if she was trying to text and tweet it instead. I think she's been tweeting all year like she's a real pain in the ass. That's a way to get not in the NFL. Your wife being a pain in the ass. I know. I shut that shit down. Jake: Kurt Warner stayed in the NFL for a long time. Justin: That was way before Twitter. Jake: Because if she would have had Twitter, he'd be gone. He'd be gone. There'll be a lot of. Justin: Plenty of teams cut him, too, by the way. But he, they all, she also said, should have known we were going to lose when the quarterback couldn't run the two minute drill against the scout team in practice. How the fuck is she saying that on Twitter? Brent Grimes will not be in the NFL next year. Put that in the books. Who cares? All right. Pat's win avenged their loss 42-6. Yeah, I think that is 42 to 6 not 46. It is 42 points to 6 points 6 points Jake: I think it's gonna be a little bit closer than that. I doubt it Yeah, Miami's probably my was Miami's probably playing for a top top spot pick right at least the top 10 Justin: the I think right now it's Tennessee who has the number one and if not Tennessee O.B. O.B. C1 Jake: that's good Justin: that's good you get your quarterback then you then you get like a receiver a skilled player maybe like a big time defensive player or like a good left tackle or something. Jake: Yeah, I think knowing it's gonna win this. Nice Miami weather, they'll be down there, Tom Brady will be feeling good. They don't rest anyway. Justin: Seems like a fun, like I would just go to this.

45:02 Jake: Just hang out Miami. Pat's dirty, dolphin's dirty. Justin: Alright, now the game of the year. game of the century the game of the millennium the game of whatever is Jake: bigger than a millennium the millennium because we lost players in that game but they all came back Tom we are healthy Tomkins went out yeah look bad on a Justin: stretcher look like he just had like a little hamstring cramp or something Jake: the Justin: I know they saw it on the TV and they just grabbed his hamstring and he came off and then all the 70s back came back the Jake: That's crazy. I mean, other than we've lost guys for the year and in preseason. Justin: We lost some guys in the preseason. Middle season. We lost Cologne. We lost Antonio Allen. Yeah. We lost Evan Smith. Jake: We've lost some guys. Justin: You know what's interesting? Just to go back to Antonio Allen for a second and to go back to Todd Bowles' old team, Arizona. I know that they've been playing a safety at middle linebacker all year long. Arizona. Yeah. They just took the Strzokovskian and they said, you're going to play middle linebacker. Good tackler. And we want your speed on the field. Antonio Allen would be an interesting middle linebacker. Interesting. on certain situations. Jake: So let's talk about the game. Justin: All right, sorry. Jake: So it's in Buffalo. It's supposed to be in deep. Going back that's a good that's a good storyline. It's a back glared at you. Rex is the best He's in trouble. I think I think he's on the cut rumor that he could get fired after one year. I did guarantee playoffs Justin: So that didn't happen. He should stop guaranteeing Jake: Again, when he was our coach, I truly, truly enjoyed his bravado. And I enjoyed his, I remember we used to go and run back for the car to get to hear his press conference because it would be good. Like, Bowles' press conferences are terrible. Like, and I love the guy, like he's winning and whatever, he's doing a great job. But like, he's terrible. They're just, he does, there's no information it's like nothing, it's listening to nothing. So as a fan of like Like drama and stuff. It's like there's no drama there as a fan of the team doing better I I think it's really keeping this team even keeled Justin: You know what Rex needs he needs a guy to be his talking guy like just to stand next to him You know what he needs what he needs a midget

48:03 Justin: Okay, that's like under the podium and when Rex says something stupid he just punches him in the nuts Like a dick punch like as he's saying Jake: His ear and he has to wait for the question wait for it to come into his ear and then repeat Yeah, he took a lesson or two. But again his I don't know. I don't know. So anyway, we got Rex We got the coming back fits thing Justin: It is. They have one play, throw it deep. They don't have McCoy. If they can run, which were they stopping, and they don't have McCoy. Their game is basically throw it deep. to one receiver and one guy. Throw to Watkins. Jake: They can actually score, I mean, 41 points, 32 points, 27 points, 33 points. Against who? 30 points against Houston. 25 against Washington. 16 against Dallas, that's the game. But we didn't even go crazy against Dallas. I don't know, I feel like they're a dangerous team because that one play, you know, depends who's on him. I assume it's not going to be, you know, Karmarti on him. Justin: I'm thinking Rebus will be covering Sammy Watkins the whole game. Jake: Rebus can be burned. And if you say, what's the worst matchup against Rebus? It's some... Really quick guy because that guy I think you can just burn read this with but he's not Justin: Watkins isn't like this really quick guys like a big dude Jake: Just send him down the field and whip that's all we do Justin: But if we know yeah, he's how he's how why would he come back for this? Jake: So they're not gonna be able to run? Justin: I would hope not. Jake: But I think this is gonna be a weird game because of the weather. It's gonna be snowy, it's gonna be cold. So I actually, I have my key to the castle. You know what it is? No. This is the game that you need to go out and just put your little foot on the little cockroach and start to crush them. And once you start to crush them, they will fold. This is a team that after half, if we're up let's say 21 to 3 or 21 to 6, right, and we get the

51:06 Jake: ball, we go down and score. This team is just gonna fall down. They're not gonna play, they're gonna play the mercy rule, they're not, they're not gonna play tough. This reminds me of... Justin: This game reminds me of I'm throwing when Rex was coaching the Jets. Do you remember there was a week six or 17 game when we played the Dolphins? Jake: Yes. Two years ago. Justin: I think it was three years ago. Jake: Last year we played them. Justin: Sanchez was playing the court was playing quarterback. Jake: Oh, okay. So it was three years ago. Justin: And... San Antonio homes gotten to the fight in the in the huddle and Wayne Hunter like threw him out of the huddle yeah, you remember that and it was like oh we can win and and And keep someone out of the playoffs or get to eight and eight or something like if we if we win We have a chance if someone else loses and whatever like we actually mathematically were still alive, right? and it was like Get up for the and they fucking shit a brick right like the whole team was just not In it right and I have a feeling that the bills defense doesn't like Rex He came in and insulted them Right? He came in and he said, they said, oh, they were, uh, they were, you know, the fourth ranked defense in the whole league last year. And he said, Oh, that's nothing. I mean, number one. And they're like middle of the pack. Yeah, because they don't like his shit. They're not set up for what he wants to do. They're missing a couple of key guys in the middle there. Also, don't think to rod I I don't think to rod Taylor is an NFL quarterback you a to rod guy or a tie rod I'm a to rod guy rod. I just don't think he's not to rod That is the question. I don't think he's an NFL quarterback. I just don't I think he has two skill sets he can run and He can throw the ball deep Jake: And that's it. So when they win games he throws 12 12 attempts Justin: So if you just shut the run down which we should be able to do that's kind of our bread and butter shut the run down Make to rod Taylor beat you don't let him run around like stay in your lanes. Just keep them there and make him throw the ball 25-30 times. That's it. Game's over. If he's throwing the ball 30 times, that means we're already winning 30-3. Jake: Yeah, yeah. I just, I feel like this is, again, the weather is changing how I look at the game. So what I'd love to see is we should be able to play in this weather Justin: We have a running game. We stopped the run. We have a running game. It's not like we can't run

54:00 Jake: We fucking run the ball saying that's that's that it's an equalizer Because the balls start flying off this way and that way the ball slippery get knocked out. There's my fumbles Justin: There's my brother play with my guy than their guy in bad weather. My guy's played there for more seasons than this guy has. This guy's barely... That guy played more games there than this guy's played ever. Jake: And I want... And I think we can just... I mean, you know Rex is gonna do everything in the world to stop us from running the ball. Because his pride and joy is... He passed 300 yards on him, but he ran 10 yards. Like, he'd rather have you run... Justin: No, I disagree with that. He's he doesn't know Rex wants to stop the run stop everything That's not a that's not a thing. He doesn't know he doesn't favor stopping the run versus stopping the pass I think he does. No, he doesn't absolutely. No, he doesn't why do you think he was like? Thank God. I have Rebus and give me chromarti now, too. I want to stop everything Jake: He wants us. I think he wants to stop the run more than anything Justin: I think that's what he's gonna I think the key to the castle is to be to be winning seven nothing That's it just have a lead play from play from ahead Jake: Play from ahead and keep and keep them going Justin: They're just they they don't strike me as the kind of team that's going to be able to come back on us Charles Clay hasn't played. I feel like he's out. McCoy hasn't played. He's out. They're down to like zero weapons. It's Sammy Watkins and it's backup running backs. We're good. But again, I don't feel like their offensive line is like, you know. some fucking magic thing that can beat up on our defensive line and watch out for a couple of trick bullshit plays that they're going to run and just go to the tape, see it. Watch some San Francisco tape from the last couple of years with Kaepernick because they're going to they're going to they are going to throw the kitchen sink at us. The patch tried that. And none of their trickery worked. They did a fucking flea flicker. They did reverses, jet sweeps, all that shit. None of it worked. Jake: The other thing I think that we could do is let them beat themselves. They're a highly pent up. I did the most penalized team in the league this year. Justin: They're going to be so fired up and they're going to make mistakes. They're going to have 15 penalties in this game. Jake: So that's the other thing. If we can just stay, we were pretty clean in those last game. I did one pass. interference. We had one. The Patriots had one penalty. Right. That's right. How's that possible? How do you play a whole football game and have one penalty? But I think this team again, let them beat themselves. Let them start getting the big penalties. Let them do the stupid. Justin: They're going to hold. They're going to be way aggressive on passing place. There's going to be passing appearances. There's going to be holdings. There's going to be illegal contacts. There's going to be there. There's damn well going to be a late hit at some point. some face masks, some hands to the face. They do all this bullshit. All the shit that we watched ourselves do for the last like three years as we were breaking down.

57:00 Justin: And it's like, goddamn, we're not disciplined. Like I remember like, like we, I think it was last year. Um, week one, we beat the Raiders. We had like 20 penalties and it was like, it was like, we're playing like goddamn Raiders. How do we have 20 penalties? They're supposed to have 20. So that's like kind of a Rex Hallmark. He gets the team like to fired up and they, and they go out and they're like. Rabbit dogs. And they just get. Jake: So penalize, let them beat themselves in the first half and then let them quit in the second half and we just have to play a good game. Justin: Just run the ball, play our game, done. And if all else fails, just have Pittsburgh lose. Jake: I don't want that to happen. All right. So what are you predicting for 31 17? I have it very close, but it's going to be like 31 to three. Justin: And you just let him back in or put it in 31 3 fourth quarter they might score Jake: Don't be very happy. I have a very unhappy game to watch. It's a 17 16. I don't want to watch that game It's gonna be a tough game. I'm not interested in that game just cuz the weather I don't think it's the high scoring. I think this would be going what you can see some miss Justin: field goals. Not interested in watching that game at all. Alright, well then tell one. Jake: I'm gonna T-VOTE that one. You should T-VOTE another game because that's what you do. Alright, well that's it. I don't know what our schedule is for post-season whatever. We'll see. I guess if we win and we're going on, if we're going to the playoffs you'll be hearing from us. If we're not on our way or I'm not on my way to the playoffs. Until then, as always, Justin and Jake. Go Jats! You