Patty Cake
November 21, 2018 · 30:24 · Bills game review, Fools and plays of the game, Week 12 Pick'em and AFC East Throne Picks as well as Keys to the Castle of beating the Patriots on Sunday.
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00:21 Jake: Welcome to the Jet Kingdom podcast. The longest running of your jet podcast. on the planet period in the sentence. I'm Jake joining me for 310 times in a row is Justin. Justin, how are you this afternoon? Um, fucking pissed. Okay. Well that's a nice way to start the podcast. Justin: No, but the teasing. Come back next week. We'll tell you about Chicago. Jake: Justin, we'll try not to swear and we can talk about Chi-town. Justin: Do you know, do you know like, you know, do I know what? You go to a game, it's freezing cold. Ugh. You're getting your ass kicked, seven nothing, less than a minute into the game. And you can't even you don't even know who the starting quarterback is on the other team until like midway through the first quarter You're like wait the fuck a second. Who is that playing quarterback? Then you realize it's Matt Barkley and then you're like Why is it 24 nothing? Yeah, the other team Whatever nothing your team always feels very good. That shouldn't be a thing. Matt Barkley shouldn't be beating us by that much and he certainly shouldn't have two play 80 yard touchdown drives like hey let me let me just toss one out there and beat Tremaine Johnson one-on-one no problem and then yeah shady will take it the next 28 no biggie 50 yard pass and a 28 yard throw and seven nothing and the game's over Pretty much. That's the Bills game recap done. I did something in that game. You left in the second quarter you pussy shit. I left Jake: At the end of the second quarter. I've never done that before. I've never Justin: No once you left in the second quarter. I don't know if I've ever left the second quarter before you didn't even see the Jets score Jake: Nope I think the only time I've really just bailed on a game was Fumble was the butt fumble game It was it was Thanksgiving night night cold. It was cold with my Brother and half-brother with his Patriots time. I see someone with that fucking scarf on and when he when he bought fumble scarf
03:06 Jake: He literally went to get a beer and he came back and they scored again He's like what just happened my team just scored again. I was just like They actually felt so bad for me, they're like, let's go. But what was interesting was this one, you were with your, you had come separately in your own vehicle. My own car. Your own car, so that, that, the thing that I had to like, oh well, I have to go back with Justin, or I have to drive back, it was gone? Justin: So all of a sudden, yeah. Jake: You're like, I'm out. I'm like, really, okay. Plus, plus it. Being whatever the score point it would score at the time is probably 24 nothing at that point it just Yeah, I've never been to a game and and I always think back the game you and I went to for end of the Herm Edwards thing with the Jets were three and whatever three and twelve I guess And they were playing the Bills. It was the last game of the season. It was pissing down. It was terrible. And we stayed. We stayed for the whole game. And it was really raining and sleeting and terrible. It was back in the old stadium. And I always remember thinking, well, we were there for that, the most terrible game. But there was just no... This team quit. And when the team quit not even watching Sam, like if Sam had been playing bank, okay, let's see how he deals with adversity. Let's see how he deals with second half. Let's see if he can turn it around, right? There would been like so little lining. There was nothing. There was nothing. I could not take it as a fan. It was terrible. And... Justin: It was it the other thing was like I want to start drinking and it's the fucking bills, right? Give me a break. It's the bills for God's sakes with Matt Barkley Matt Barkley Who might be the best quarterback that started for them this year, which is really sad, but Still clearly now that defense was just watching that first that first dry terrible. What terrible terrible? Terrible terrible terrible. We didn't even sack this motherfucker. I think we got him once maybe once it was just Jake: pathetic it was pathetic and I So, I know you don't like the booing. There was definitely booing going on in the stadium. A lot of booing, I don't boo. Another buddy, the Giants fan, who's up, up and down on the Giants, and, of course, he's seen two or three Super Bowls. Maybe two or? In his life, he's definitely seen four. Seen four. Three. So, but he's like, he'll get very, one of his things is, listen, I'm not going to pay for a bad product. This product sucks. The product you're putting on the field sucks. And therefore, I'm not going to your games. Get a better product, make it better, and then I'll go.
06:02 Jake: And this was one of the few times I was like, you know what? That's the way I feel. You're putting out one of the worst products out into the field that I've ever seen. Justin: And then that season when they came back, they weren't all the way back. It took another season to really trust it. So it took like two mentally. He's not going to feel it like he's okay until he like really gets sm, smacked around a bit. And I don't know if he really want that he's made his money This is why LaVeon Bell did what he did. I can't, I did go back, I watched the game, you know, I got home, I Every single one of them. Jake: The worst part of this is that it's like when you see if hope is a little beautiful baby in the corner and you see the baby just get killed. It's like, because it just felt like there was some sort of hope to the season. There was some sort of feeling of like, okay, yeah, it's not about winning or losing games. We've said that a hundred times. it was about how the team played and how they showed up. Losing 41-40, fine. Playing a hard game and Sam Darnold having bad games, fine. But seeing this team just collapse on every side of the field is just the worst. Seeing them just collapse and give up, they just didn't look like they wanted to be on the field. It's one of the reasons, we talk about the mercy rule, like what were we watching, what's some game the other day? See you next time. Obviously the team was out and they're like trying to go down. Rike it's like two minutes left and you're down by 30 points. Like stop. Like why, isn't there a mercy rule? It was bad. Let's just all go. It was bad. It was the bad. It was bad.
09:00 Jake: It does bring into thing like. Justin: I will we don Okay, if we just, just looking back, yeah, the week before we scored six against Miami, the week before we scored 10 against Chicago, the week before that we scored 17 against Minnesota. - Therefore everything else sucks, and that's it. I'm like more and more convinced that next season should be offensive line City Like let's offensive linemen in here like legit ones get skill players in the in the in the Don't care If you put an offensive line in front of a good You're gonna be able to run and you're gonna be able to do play action and you're me able to, throw the ball to guys Like, quincy, and noon well all day long he's plenty good. He's not the biggest name in the world and he's not gonna make the plays for you. Like, you know, throw the ball up and Julio Jones will go grab it with his testicle. But like, I don't know. I was trying to, with his left foot, he'll go up there and grab it. Oh, watch him, watch him. Hopkins just pick balls out of the air. Let me just go snag that one. In front of some of the best corners in the league. He's like, I don't care. I'm just gonna catch it. But if you have a good line... I mean, what's like a good common denominator between the game last night where the Rams and the Chiefs put up a combined 105 points. All those two teams have lines and they can run. And because they can run, you have to be scared of that. And oh, by the way, if quarterbacks throw the ball all over the place, it doesn't even matter who they throw it to. Do the Chiefs have the most skilled? No Jake: Kelsey's good. He's Hill's okay. He's he's we have a top five Yeah, then you have a you have a dynamic runner you have a top. Well, we don't we don't know if hunt is any good Justin: We just know that he can run behind a good offensive line. Okay Right? I mean, you don't know. Is James Connor good or is James Connor running in the system where Lavey on Bell ran all over the place for years? Is Lavey on Bell good? We don't know. He's never ran behind any other system, but that Pittsburgh system, which happens to run the ball very well. There's a chance that he'll be on our team next year. So we'll see. Then he'll suck. Jake: All right, well, let's move on. We're fucking terrible. Oh, Jesus. Again, the hardest part with that was just this useless game.
12:02 Jake: Well, thank you, Bill, for actually beating us. Because at this point, well, there's two things, two things that are coming up in the news we should talk about. One is should Sam pay if he's better now? Should he play? Yes. There's a lot of people saying no, he shouldn't. Fuck you. No. Get hurt. Fuck you. He's got to play. I agree. play, you gotta play. Like, he's only gonna get better through playing. Play, dude. He's not gonna get better. Gotta play. Gotta play. Gotta play. Um, alright, so we'll move on. We'll get onto the insanity that, well, it was the bye week. They didn't fire the hit coach. We won the bye week. We are now rocking one of the worst records in the league. Yep, we are. And it is 100% guaranteed that they will fire Todd Bowles. It is 100% guaranteed. Justin: On the Monday. Jake: Later, bud. They... Which I think is tough for the team, because now it's like, what are you playing for? Justin: You know what? If they like Todd Bulls, they'll play for Todd Bulls really hard and try and keep them around and win the rest of their games. Is that going to happen? No. It's not going to happen. Jake: And it looks like some of these teams that we thought were going to be like, oh, we could maybe beat them. Justin: You mean like the Bills? Jake: Well, well, like the bills more like Tennessee, which I was like, Oh, you know, Tennessee, I think. Oh, they look they look pretty good. Like another five and five, whatever. All right. So let's start. Jekken fantasy league two weeks ago, or we have to go to last week. No, two weeks ago, two weeks ago, I lost last week. I didn't I didn't have to play a jet this past week. Lost. I know. Last week we didn't. and I... Still lost. I thought I was gonna do well. I'm pretty sure I dominated. I went up against McCaffrey and I know this is like whatever. Dude two weeks ago? Three weeks. Fuck off. In three different leagues I went up there the same guy and he had that massive mess thing and this week I lost by point. So I'm out of the playoffs. I think it is New York tank exchange is leading with nine and two in his record fuck him You are a solid five and six along with me. Well, he did well this week I did but still not enough how many points I throw up. I throw up a lot of points at 139 Justin: That's a lot a lot of lee. That's cuz I didn't have to play stupid jet Jake: stupid jets This week I'm up against two five and six Titans. I'm up against Jesse, both five and six going against each other. And I have to swap back in my, I think I'm gonna put in McGuire because I picked him up early. So I'll put him in and you are going up against the lactose intolerant. Oh, Gareth, nice name. Gareth, who is seven and four. So he'll probably end up crushing you. Wow. Wow. We'll see about that. Wow. Yeah, wow. All right. So let's go to the pick up. Have you finally caught up with me? We're tied, dude. Oh, man. What? I had this incredible lead. Justin: And then I told you it wasn't that incredible. So it was like five games. It's nothing. I know. Jake: But it was so good. 72.
15:00 Jake: Well, yeah, geez. And McConward Spiral is now leading with 79. Although, by the way. Terrible year like even the best picks aren't even over 50% No, not a good year good year for Vegas is a tough tough. Yeah, this is kicking our ass. Yeah So let's make some pics get the frick out of here All right, let's do it Everything but Dave's East by the way last week. We didn't do the podcast either because Justin: Don't say that we didn't do it cuz we're lazy fucks. No, but every AFC East teams on a buy We're not gonna do it But the point is like you're asking by the bills Jake: We didn't have to do that We didn't have to do the throne picks because there couldn't have been thrown picks. No, they're impossible in impossibly. Yes Justin: Alright, well, let's do it. So we won't do the AFC East. So we have Thanksgiving Yes, we have three Not so great games on Thanksgiving looking at the slate although. It's Thanksgiving, so I always enjoy them very much Jake: I will my favorite day of football. I will be in a tropical island no one cares Justin: They really don't yes they do nobody wants to hear we're gonna be a care We're all be at Thanksgiving cuz no one really cares Chicago is at Detroit Chicago. Chicago favored by four. I like them. Oh yeah. Chicago's good. They're good. I'm glad we saw them live this year in Chicago. They're good. They're good. They're very good. The only silver Jake: lining of any of this season is that you're watching a lot of second and third year quarterbacks. Justin: look really good. You're watching a lot of second third year quarterbacks with new coaches looking good. Yes, the trend is good on that. So like, get let's so you know who you don't want to be? Arizona. Because they have the rookie head coach now with the rookie quarterback and their coach stinks and they're going to give them another two years. I guarantee it and he's right. Anyway, I like Chicago. I will take Chicago as well. That line moved by the way from three to four. Yep. This one as well. This one moved the other way. Dallas is home obviously at the four 30 times slot and they are hosting Washington and Colt McCoy with Mark Sanchez as a backup. It was pointed out to me yesterday that Washington has three staff members on their staff that were on the Jets staff Jake: When Marc Sanchez was a jet It was also pointed out to me as I read articles One of the articles was and this is just quick bait, but one of them was Washington picks up butt fumble back up. Nice. I was like, really? Justin: Nice. So yeah, they have highlighted they have their offensive coordinator was his Kavanaugh. He was the Jets quarterback. I love that. We don't have time for this. No time. All right. Doesn't matter. Oh, you know, I love Sanchez. I'm picking
18:02 Justin: Washington because eight and a half is too much for Dallas. They're not that good. And Colt McCoy. is from Texas and is gonna shove it right up their ass. Coble koi hurt. Jake: First play. Can't wait for Sanchez to come in and save the day. Justin: Sanchez time and he wins. All right. I'll take Washington. And then the night game is New Orleans Atlanta, which I would normally say is a good game, but New Orleans is like. in that echelon. They're like way up there at the top. They're really good. Jake: It's like and it's funny they kind of I mean, maybe it's just because I have the guy on my my team, but they were getting back. Ingram sort of changed their game. They've they've been a much bigger powerhouse by having those two backs. For one, that's that's their game. But one, but one guy wasn't doing it. Everything else can't change with two guys. Yeah, and that Michael Thomas guy. Yeah, that guy's good. I know he's on your fantasy team Justin: He's just he's a he's just unstoppable unstoppable. He's huge. Well, he doesn't drop the ball ever ever Yeah, every breeze by the way, it's like Completing like 77% of his passes ridiculous. I think it's 25 touchdowns in one interception this year so far He's having the game of this. I'll take New Orleans even lay in the 13 and a half because they're gonna drop 40 Can't do it Can't do it can't do it 13 half too much. All right, so I'm gonna pick up. That's a fun fun night game there I like scoring at night keeps me awake. All right, let's go to the Sunday sleep. We have Cincinnati hosting Cleveland Cincinnati with you Jackson back on their staff What yeah, they hired you Jackson to help with the defense. I ran into him. No, he's an offensive coach. Jake: Why is he back on their staff? Justin: On Cincinnati's staff? Oh, sorry, I thought he was back on Cleveland's staff. Well, he was the Cincinnati offensive coordinator for a little bit. Cleveland head coach. So he has a connection with Marvin Lewis and he hired him back. You can do that in the middle of the season. You just can't hire a head coach in the middle of the season. Sure you can. You fire your head coach, you gotta hire a coach. Jake: Well, but that was the thing. This whole argument, why don't they fire? Why don't they fire bowls? I almost said herm bowls in the middle of the season. And it's like, well, it's because you can't really hire a guy. Well, you can. It's just do whatever you want. Justin: There's no one there. Right. I mean, I remember when the Pats, when I think it was like the Broncos fired Josh McDaniels and the Pats waited to like right before the playoffs and they hired him. Yeah, come on board. Yeah, but not head coach again Agreed, you're probably not making the playoffs if you fired your head coach Jake: So no, but you don't hire a head coach. No, you don't bring in a new head coach Justin: You usually hire from within because it's temporary. Alright, I'll take Cleveland. I Also have Cleveland As a revenge against you Jackson All right Philly is hosting the Giants Philly is favored by seven jumped from five. I
21:02 Justin: Like Philly to bounce back. I like Philly to bounce back a little and the Giants have won two in a row Jake: So I don't think that that doesn't go well for this. Yeah, you're dead. They're just not Justin: That good? Jake: Tampa is definitely on the Super Bowl hangover over though, right? For sure. It's clear. Justin: For sure. Yeah, they don't look right. But that whole division is kind of shit. It's up for grabs. Yeah, especially now that Alex Smith is out, even the Giants can still win it. It's crazy cuz I think it's six and four is leading and they're three and seven so like they could totally catch They all play each other. I mean they could catch them Alright Tampa is hosting. Oh boy. We really do have to hurry the fuck out Alright, Tampa's hosting Sam Francisco Tampa favored three. I'll take Tampa Winston's back sure. Why not screw up that team anymore. It's just a long Tampa long flight Carolina's hosting Seattle another long flight. I'll take Carolina Agreed. Baltimore hosting Oakland. A long flight, but 12 points, not three. I'll take Oakland coming off their win to cover, not to win. Tough. 12 points. I'll take the 12. Jake: A lot of big spreads this week, by the way, kids. Justin: Chargers hosting Arizona. Three, four. Take the Chargers, by the way. Thanks for saying. Jake: These are the fours. I'll take the Chargers at home. 13 points. Too many. Give me Arizona. Justin: Okay. Okay. Pittsburgh at Denver Pittsburgh favorite on the road three. I don't like that. I'll take Denver three don't like Pittsburgh I think there's a much better than just three Denver's not a good team. Give me Pittsburgh. Okay Night game Sunday, Minnesota hosting Green Bay Not a good game. No, I'll take Green Bay on the road getting three. I'll take Minnesota at home. Give me the score, score, score. And then there's a Monday night game that's off. I'm sure why. Really, I guess it's the Tennessee quarterback, but Houston is hosting Tennessee. There's no line. I'll take Houston. Uh, I will take Houston at home. I have no clue. I think he hurt himself because playing Gabbert was seen. How do you Jax? My Jax are really bad. I think they're going
24:09 Jake: Trade deadline passed. Bring all the collusion to me not good. I want trades right for the Super Bowl I want to get traded the Packers right for the Super Bowl on it. It's not a good look Justin: The bills come back down to earth Jacksonville just beats the crap out of them 23 to 3 21 20 Jax. Okay, Miami's going to Indy huge line I guess Andrew Luck looks good. And he like this good. So, I'm gonna say, it's gonna come in just under that line, 23.3. 23.3. 23.3. Jake: 23.3. 23.3. 23.3. 23.3. 23.3. Okay. All right. So now we have six and a half minutes to discuss the New York Jets. Justin: Oh, that's so funny. I did my score and then I looked at your score and I was like, oh, that's funny that you did that because mine is similar. All right. So yeah, we have... We have... New England in New York Jake: injuries So we have Robbie Anderson is questionable Donald's questionable Spencer long questionable who cares? Justin: Again the only go away Spencer long the only argument go die Only argument who snapped the ball into yourself Snap it around the earth Jake: Do that he'd be a great center argument for not playing Darnold for the rest of the season, which again, there's an argument for it. I'm not on it, but like if this line is the trash fire that we think it is, and this team is a giving up team, what you don't want to do is have Darnold tear his ACL right now, or get hit or knocked out. He can tear his ACL at any moment. It's true. He can tear his ACL in game one of next year. Justin: Behind a great line versus a terrible doesn't matter line or no line you tear your ACL. It's not cuz someone's like hey Well, he could be Alex Smith Jake: Sure, he can have that happen in practice to know that that kind of tackle with two guys jumping on top But there's an argument you can admit that there's an argument the argument is yeah Justin: No, no, no good not good enough, okay, not a good enough argument for me Now's the time when the when the rookie quarterback Should be playing right if you wanted to make the argument that you should sit and wait He should have sat and waited But not on that bandwagon either with the number three overall pick the guys got a play I want to see him play again I'm still I still want to see I still want it's gonna be hard because his first game was actually pretty good You suck Jeragoff, you know doesn't suck Jeragoff. Yeah Jake: We say this every time let's go how are we gonna beat the fuck? Justin: Would you fight a look at my score?
27:05 Justin: We don't um I Don't know there's a way listen Tennessee just beat them. Yeah, but they had Vrable on the other side They had a little like it is Vrable little kryptonite A little like, yeah, I used to play with you kid and I remember when you used to like be a little kid And I used to beat you up in practice and you threw me touchdown passes. Let's let's let's be realistic Jake: There is a any given Sunday. I truly believe that I've yeah, we can totally beat them, but we can't well we can Here's the way it would be is you have to have the team that has been sort of floating around in little bits and pieces all over this season and kind of all come together after the bye week and show up and be this team. There is enough talent on the defense to stop them. The only the only way to Justin: really beat. them is Leonard Williams has to have like the game of his life. Yeah, because he has to be and Darren Lee in the middle and Treman Johnson in the middle and and he's got to be putting putting pressure so far into Tom Brady's face that he has to get off his timing and move a little. It's always the key. Just get Tom Brady to have to move to the right or the left a little. Jake: Get his face, get in his face a few times or push him around. Justin: They don't have great receivers. Like, all right, Josh Gordon, not really scared. Who cares? Edelman fine. He's not himself. Gronk's done. I think he's done. Done as a player or was like. I think he's just done. Yeah, they're talking about getting. And the running back. Yeah, fine. You get the running back, whatever. They're just gonna here's what they're gonna do dink dunk and move the ball down the field on us like there's no yes Jake: No, they're gonna deal they're gonna out they're gonna outplay us out maneuver us out coach and ace us out everything us You know what they'll come in they'll come into that what they do the other week where they just came in and just went Boom down the field like they not even hurry up the advance hurry up. Yeah Justin: We're not subbing. We're not subbing. There's no subbing. So you can't sub because you don't have time We'll catch you with 15 guys on the field and then I'll throw it down the field. And we don't think you're good enough to stop us. And guess what? We'll come out and we'll run the ball 13 times straight and score on you that way. Jake: Whatever. They're gonna lose the Jets 53 to 6. So I don't pick against the Jets. I definitely was trying to pick a funny score. But it's going to be... You saw Monday night. It's gonna be just like that. Except for one team. No, for both the teams. Jett's win in overtime. 55-55. It'll be the game breaking game of the millennium. It's right beyond the millennium. All right, well, we'll be back. Justin's got to go. We literally have a minute and a half. We're back next week. Rise or shine. We got travel next week. Oh, so much crap going on. But as always, this is Justin and Jake saying, let's go Jets.