Hold'em or Fold'em

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Onan, what is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and they have a lamentation of their women.

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Machine transcript generated in 2026 by Grok Bot from the episode audio (Whisper small.en + sherpa-onnx speaker diarization). Speakers labeled Opening / Jake / Justin. Timestamps about every three minutes. Diarization note: HOST_LOCK: after Opening, host/welcome voice = Jake; other = Justin; host-welcome cluster=1 @ 27.9s → Jake; other-primary cluster=0 → Justin; intro-self-ID Jake confirms host; Justin name in host line kept on Jake (HOST_LOCK); Jason-ref Jake cluster 1 sim=0.78.

00:09 Justin: The best place to be is when expectations are high. Get used to it. It's always going to be that way. Get away! Jake: Welcome to the J.E.K.K.N.Y. podcast. as long as running near podcast ever. My name is Jake and joining me for the 164th time, which seems like the amount of times I've had to defend Mark Sanchez in the last week, is Justin. Justin, how you doing? I'm good. I'm all good. This is the worst I've felt as a jet fan in a long fucking time. Justin: I'm all good. You clearly weren't watching the Facebook last night. I'm all good. I saw everything. Let's just say, first of all, let me just say, for our fans, that was fun. Jake: I went on and posted, once the debate, the presidential debate was over, I posted like, now the debate's over about the president, like, whatever, now it's talksiebo versus Sanchez. And oh my god, people went insane. All of our listeners on Facebook were just like back and forth, back and forth. And it was awesome. Justin: People were writing us emails. It was, um, we do love the crowd participation. We do. We love you guys. We love you guys so much. There's got to be at least one. Yeah, there was one gal who posted this morning. There you go. I didn't see it this morning. I was watching it last night It's my wife. Oh, wow. She doesn't count. She counts. She's a girl. She posted on her Facebook page Jake: Friends and family excluded. All right. Well, we got a big agenda to get to let's get to us We got the Jets versus 49ers. We're gonna talk about the first quarter of 2012 because we talked to break down things in quarters We have other kingdoms then we'll get into the jet Kingdom fantasy league I know why I want to talk about it. We'll do, then we'll get into our pick-em. We'll do thrown picks. We'll pick-em, talk about Jets versus Houston. And then we'll take some of the, we'll take some of the questions. If we don't really, they weren't really questions. It's really just a debate. And then we'll wrap it up. So let's get into it. Justin: Oh god, I don't even want to talk about this game. Do we need to even mention the 49ers game? I mean, it kind of was what I thought it was going to be, a demolition. Jake: Even you and your negative Nancy with your Alex Smith t-shirt on or Alex Smith jersey on. I did not. And you're not, yes you did. I did not. Justin: And you're not being a fan of the team. Not a true statement. Even you didn't call for us to be. shut out. No, I called for a 27.9. Yeah. So I thought we'd kick three field goals. We almost kicked one. We got destroyed. And worse than getting destroyed were the things that came out after the games. We lost Santoni Holmes for the year. No good. And it looked like, what I think what's coming out in the stories now are

03:00 Justin: people getting all worked up about, is it looked like the Jets quit. They just... Some of the 49ers were saying hey at the end of the game It looked like the defense just didn't want any part of playing. They're like, yeah, we're done. They were done They were completely done. Let me let me let's just recap real quick. Give me some stats Let me give you two numbers Okay 245 145 they're rushing versus our total offense. Yes And they had a hundred more yards How embarrassing is it that a team comes in and beats us with the wildcat offense? How embarrassing is that just from a level of 1 to 10 how embarrassing is that? 9.6 pretty embarrassing. It's totally embarrassing this guy Kaepernick Colin Kaepernick Had more yards rushing In this game, 50, then Tim Tebow has produced all year total rushing and passing combined. Four games versus one game. And we're the team that practices against this shit. You'd think, how does the offense get ready to do it? They have to run it, so you'd think we'd practice against it. But no. No, this was a total like in your face move too. It was a, you think you guys are so slick with your Tebow, we'll throw in our guy who we drafted and just run the shit up your asshole. Jake: Yeah, they completely ran up their asshole, upper asshole. What was interesting was the two runners, Goran Hunter, I mean they both had a lot of yards, I mean combined, but it was like it came through a lot of that wildcat stuff I mean Frank O ran for 62 yards if you told me he was 21 carries for 62 yards during a game I'd be like oh, that's good. We like we stopped him. Yeah, then 100 guys Justin: You say and though I know it's so many guys who ran the ball They had three guys who had more than five runs and another guy who had They just, we couldn't stop it, it was a mess. We have this defensive line issue now apparently, where you can't blame Reavis. You could say, oh there's, there's, you'd be naive to say that it had nothing to do with it, cause, oh you have to roll a guy over or whatever, so it takes one guy out of the box or... Fuck that 245 so what they would have ran for 180 Jake: Like what would the difference have been and that I don't I don't I think that's that was the hard part of this game if They threw all over the place on us. I'd be like, oh, well, we lost Rebus They didn't even need to throw Alex Smith had the most pedestrian numbers. I've ever seen 12 for 21 of 143 No touchdowns. That's nothing. Justin: No picks. No fumbles. No turnovers. Did what he had to do. Won the game. Yeah. They just ran up her ass with your right bar. They did what we're supposed to be. Jake: With about eight people. You're right. If you look down the runners, like from B Miller, from Jindis to Frank Gores, like everybody got 50... Three people got over 50 yards.

06:01 Jake: It's ridiculous. Justin: Yeah, and Kaepernick took it easy on us. He could have scored. This game should have been 41-0. He decided to slide on the 1 and not score that last touchdown. That's nice of him. Very nice. So, alright. Let's pick, let's get into it, but... We're in it. What do you want to talk about? Pick your fool of the game. Everybody. Everybody just everybody who didn't play who who doesn't deserve to have who played well You tell me even Nick man gold had two penalties Like who played well tell me I mean Sanchez got sacked three times again He throws for under 50% completion. There's no receivers to speak of Chas Shillins is our leading receiver I don't make night does well. What did he do? Jake: He had a hit of two kick returns. Two kick returns? For an average of 36 yards. Justin: They scored 34 points and he has two kick returns. That's even garbage. Well that's because I kicked over his head. And shit, they missed two field goals. Yeah. No? Awful. No. If I had to pinpoint... I can't even pinpoint a player, but if I had to pinpoint an entity, I'd say the defensive line. Just, that's your fault. I feel like they completely let us down. Jake: Yeah, I mean, it's hard not to pick someone like, I mean, I don't know. Here's the thing, that game was winnable until at home's fumble interception. Justin: That was a 17-0 game. No, the game was winnable until about halftime. Jake: No, I feel like in that- Justin: Because it should have been 7-3. And instead it was 10-0. 10-0 is still doable. Mmm. Well, it is. Against San Francisco, you kind of can't get down two scores. Yeah. Once you're down two scores, you're not going to score twice before they score once again. Jake: For me, that homes, that homes cough up, whatever it was, injury, cough up, pain, extraordinary. Justin: I have to throw the ball high in the air when I'm in the chain. Did he just think he was down? Did he just not get the rule? Or was he just being a cocksuck? Jake: I don't think he was... I can't honestly think he was trying to do what he did, but Jesus, like, that turned that game from being like, even... Even it would have been... if he had gone down with it, we would have gotten the first down. That was the first down play, as I remember. They were on the 50. Yeah, and then I think we were then shot of getting down there and getting something on the board. Justin: Well, it didn't matter. We didn't even get past, like, the 25 the whole game. All right, so I'll give it to fucking everybody. I don't know. I just think that, I mean, here's the thing. Jake: Again, going back to what we thought was going to happen in the beginning of the season. Both of us, I think, picked two and two to this point. I think we saw win two, oohs two. Right? And I think we picked, we'd win the right two and oohs the right two. So I think we were correct. Correct. But here's the hard part. KATHRYN The Steelers game didn't bother me because we lost 20 to 10. Justin: Like, okay, fuck. Oh, it wasn't quite 20 to 10. I think it was 20 to 10. Yeah, it was more like 27 to 10.

09:00 Justin: Whatever. Well, not quite. Not quite a whatever. Jake: But I feel like it wasn't a... I feel like it wasn't... This is not just... This isn't just a loss. This is a blowout, shutout... Demolition. ...in our home. And this is the thing about this team now. We have two ways to go. This team, that's why the episode of this podcast is hold them or fold them. Because this team has two things to do. We are either going to turn it around and figure out a way to win, or this team is just going to fold like the Saints. And the Saints are going to watch them fold. They'll probably win this week, but they're done. Like, they just put the dirt on them. Like, is this team just gonna mentally fold and not do well for the rest of the season, go for like a six-win season, or are they gonna figure it out with enough talent? I keep thinking about this. The Jets have so much talent, not in the offense, Justin: but all over the defense. What? Yes. You're blind, my friend. We have Pro Bowl or linesmen. Who? On the offensive line we have three. Wait, you just said on the defense. No, I said on the defense on the offensive line We have Pro Bowlers. We have Pro Bowlers Three and we have a former Pro Bowl. Okay, we know You're either like currently a pro bowler like you want just went last year or you're not So to say when they announce them and they run out and they say pro bowler Brandon Moore That's like pro bowler from 2008 Brandon Moore. Great. I Feel like this team has enough talent to win games. So aside from the offensive line on the offense. We have talent where exactly Keller who's been out this is a hasn't played. I think Sanchez has talent. Okay Again, looking like average talent, not looking like extraordinary talent. Where else do you think we actually have talent? Because right now we have cast offs at wide receiver from Oakland, Miami, and Jacksonville. Not quite the teams that light it up. No, no, and we're gonna have to figure out a way to win. And a rookie who can't catch. Well and was hurt and worse worse than not catching because he's a threat is he can't he's hurt right can't And then on the defense we have talent players explain Bart Scott now Carmarti yes David Harris. Yes, give you those two you don't and I think that there's guys that poo ah average Okay, Copples project Ellis project Thomas old over the hill Maben project project six sacks last year Leads the team with six sacks fantastic. All right, six sacks is you're gonna brag about it Landry Bell fair All right, there's talent. This isn't a talentless team. But it's not like overwhelming blue chip or talent. No, but you don't have to have every position

12:01 Justin: of overwhelming blue chip to win. Jake: You just have to have some talent and good coaching and you can win. Again, I think a lot of what's happened to us is this beginning of the season and it's exactly what everybody predicted. They're going to go two and two. The world's going to go the ape shit. Justin: We were worried about 1 and 4 and praying for 2 and 3 so that... But the problem is the way that they're going to go 2 and 3 is gonna be ugly. It's gonna be ugly. And then you get the cults. You get the cupcake. Right. And that's when the move happens. That's when they'll throw in T-BOW. They're not gonna do it. They're gonna win that game anyway. Jake: Right. You can win that game with... Justin: I look at the next... the next quarter you're gonna go 2 and 2 again. We're gonna be 4 and 4. It's gonna the world's gonna hinge on that Miami game Jake: Alright, do you want to do the T? So let's just do the T. Where are you on the T-boat? Justin: There's honor. I never ever ever ever in favor of starting Tim T-boat Do you think he's being used correctly? I feel like they shouldn't use him at all at all He should just not even be on the field. Nope, even though he's a talent. So we talked about the talent He's a talent what he does. He's not a talent where we're using him It's not it doesn't work. It doesn't work that way if you watched a lot of Denver Yeah, we watched a lot of that using like but cuz he's not Brad Smith But I Smith could actually play wide receiver Tim Tebow can't that's that is correct But this guy can run the ball Brad Smith couldn't run the ball He's not nearly the same talent as Brad Smith Brad Smith was fast as fuck Bradsmith returned kicks. Can Tebow return kicks? I think Tebow should. He can't return kicks. So your thing is, get him off the field. He's a distraction. Off the field. Okay. Like Sanchez shouldn't have thrown that ball to him in that Miami game that hit him in the helmet. It was a distraction. It was a bad read because, oh, Tebow's on the field. I'm gonna throw it to him. It's a distraction. Off the field. Be a backup quarterback. Come in with and just come in when we're losing 34 nothing, but we can't even do that Why didn't they do that because it's a it's a big thing because then if they score the touchdown then it's a whole fucking thing So you're just saying we're fucked yeah, so what's gonna happen we want to hear the prediction Jake: You think they're gonna you obviously gonna pick against the Jets this week Justin: I am and you always think that if we go two and three I thought two and three was good enough with our with our first five schedule to not pull Sanchez, but here's the problem He's playing horribly playing hard the whole off and he is horrible new weapons No, none and the last three games. Let's put buffalo aside. That was great. We blew our wad. Yeah, I'm fortunate Last three games we have two offensive touchdowns in three full games. Jake: Three full games. Justin: Which is what everybody was saying in preseason and it went away because we scored four in one game or whatever it was. They scored one touchdown against Pittsburgh. They scored one offensive touchdown against Miami and they scored zero points last week. Not even a field goal attempt. So here's my little bit of, here's the thing that I've been holding on to,

15:00 Jake: that I told you this the other day, we did an off podcast talk. The thing I've been holding on to for the last couple days that came to me in the shower, Justin: don't ask, was that Packers game. The Packers game of two years ago, it was two or three years ago, where we went, we got beat 9-0. Jake: Well. Right three we couldn't score a fuck is at home. I think was it was a night game Night game right think so like Monday or Sunday night. I think it was a night game I just remember it being dark, but maybe it wasn't doesn't matter Justin: 9-0 and again, it was like world's collide jets can't score. They're not a good team They got shut out at home by the Packers and what happened to the Packers? Well, that was a that was a day game I remember that right so the Packers decided to I don't know go win a Super Bowl Jake: So I remember yeah, we ended up I nothing we ended up go and their defense showed up towards the end we ended up being a Justin: We end up being going to the AFC championship. So you're looking at this nine nothing lost to Green Bay I'm I'm comparing it to this to a 34 nothing drubbing. Yeah, cuz the dropping wasn't the drubbing was pretty Despicable and we held Green Bay and Aaron Rodgers to three field goals Yeah. We couldn't hold Alex Smith and Colin Kaepernick to under 30. But they had one that was on, how many defensive touchdowns did they have on us? One. How many turnovers did they have that they got it back very close? Well, that's them. They got the ball on us. They scored. forward. Anyway, that's what I'm using as my please don't jump off a cliff. Well, I'm not jumping off any cliffs. I'm kind of used to this shit. It's just annoying. And I feel as though it's not going to get better this week. No, we have a tough opponent. Let's move on. First quarter. So we both predicted 2 and 2. Yes. We're exactly where we are. We just didn't think it was happening this poorly. Right. Okay. Turn a bar on a bull or not? Jake: Thank you. Justin: Oh, these injuries are really hard to come... Jake: Two best players. Justin: Yeah. Literally two best players on the team. I mean, this is not... They are not built properly. And it makes you... It's too early. I have to wait, but... Tanneh, I mean... Tanneh Balm. Not Tanneh. Tanneh Balm, not looking... Not sitting pretty right now. Not... The offseason moves don't look as smart now. No, they look terrible. T-bo's a mess. That's a nightmare. Complete mess. The Coppola's draft pick doesn't look very good right now because all the other guys that they were talking about are actually playing really well for their teams, right? So that doesn't look really good at the moment. No weapons on offense. Didn't address it. Got lucky didn't address the right tackle issue. Still may not have. We'll see. Did not address the aging defense at all. Thought he might have in the draft but didn't do a great job of it. And to have the receiving corps, the weapons, didn't address running back at all.

18:01 Justin: Thought oh we'll just block better or whatever. We'll see. The only thing he did was the only thing he gets real credit for me is safety. Safety upgrade. He did really well. We got two players who are better than the two players we had before right and they're better But other than that, I mean, there's a lot of holes in this team. All right, let's move on Moving on to I don't know other kingdoms. I don't care about the other well, you know What's good about our division right now? We're in first place first place. It's kind of scary That's scary because we're in first pass are ready to roll eight in a row Putting my Patriots cap on yeah, you know, I'm sure you have run ex your Alex Smith I don't have an Alex Smith out tonight. You're like Alex Smith though. I think he runs a good offense seven years No, here's here's my night wear situation. This is what happens. They eventually turn out they They'll eventually turn a T-bow off to some point. He'll do enough to keep it It'll turn Sanchez into a mistake that they say they'll drop him will somehow get rid of him We'll trade him to some money if there's any value I think the Cowboys at this point would take Sanchez. I don't think you can trade him. He makes a lot of money I think it's a cut situation. We cut Sanchez. He gets picked up by someone else In four years. He's like fucking lighting people up and being great because we just never spend enough time with them and we let them go too early. Alex, for eight years. It's the Drew Brees situation. Drew Brees, Alex Smith, it's just a lot of them. That's my sort of gut, but whatever. I hope it is not. You have to remember last year those Broncos, they weren't good on offense. Like they went three and out constantly. We had them beat. If that wasn't a Thursday night game after a Sunday night game on the road, we beat them. Like if that wasn't in Denver on Thursday night after we had played a Sunday night game, and they scored no points. They can't. Tebow's terrible. For those who don't remember how terrible, he's terrible. You cannot want him on the field. Jake: It'd be nice to compare. He's like, yeah, because he has an under 50% completion rate. Justin: He's just, but he's just terrible. He's terrible. Jake: Let's talk about things that are winning. Like me or Ryu? The broadcaster and the podcaster. Justin: I took my first loss in the fantasy league. We look at the standings. Down goes the king. It's kind of funny in the standings. We're in the same division. I'm still ahead of you though. I'm below you. No, you're I'm ahead of you. You're ahead of me three and one and I'm ahead of you Yeah, probably cuz I've scored more points a lot more points. Yeah Yeah, well you won so good on you Looks like we're three and one and jets over the pond is three and one There's a couple ties in here. There's a tie uh... nyc green blooded and i think we have a lot of other three and one oh Jake: uh... no good unhappy happy happy to beat you will meet again week thirteen i'll be to again Justin: uh... alright i can't wait

21:01 Justin: yet you got crushed singing across to one of crushing this week and the only person in the league with more than four hundred point and you're not because I'm still in first place. Jake: Uh, this week I'm going up against, uh, Maine the Hooligans. Oh, all right. And you're going up against the Wood Show. Beto, who wrote us a big email this week. Yeah, right, it's a big email. Justin: I'm gonna kick your ass, Beto. All right. Let's move on. Um, how do we do in the pick-em? I'm still in first. You're doing well in the pick-em, I will say. I am in first. I am, uh, let's see, where am I? Let's go to this overview here. So I've got 36 wins. I'm in first by myself. One game ahead of Matty Jets and the Hooligans. You are down to ninth. You have 30. Yeah, I'm okay. So I'm six games ahead of you there. Jake: I'm still, I still need it. Justin: I get, if I get a breakout week, I'll be right back in there. All I need is like to have a, All I need is one week. One 12 week and you have a six. Well, let's get into these. picks because there's a game tonight we're recording this on Thursday yeah let's go Thursday night game so these are our checking to pick them we pick every game but not the FC's could we come back and do that don't pick these against the spread yes so let's do them do it I think this is a good game tonight Arizona the undefeated Arizona Cardinals traveled to st. Louis who's I think better than Expected I actually I expect you know Jeff Fisher team to be pretty Pretty competitive Arizona is on the road giving one and a half Because they are for no team. I like them to lose their first game. They're gonna go in a little overconfident St. Louis is gonna smash him in the mouth. So give me st. Louis. Yeah, I'll take st. Louis to point-and-half Jake: I think st. Louis at home. I think they're tough in that dome. Yeah, and Thursday night crowd was they're not that bad Yeah, here's the problem about the really good season. We looked at the regular when are the Jets season? Justin: We said Oh NFC West NFC West good division They're good. It's good division. Especially when the road we have to play in Seattle. That's what that's a and Yeah, in Seattle is one of those where if you play Seattle at home in here in New York, we win. If we play them there, we lose. It's like that's... Like the Niners, we play them anywhere. We should've wanted to play there. Because we would've gotten our ass kicked either way. Alright, let's go on. Uh, Green Bay. coming off a victory is going to indianapolis coming off a bye and green bay is giving seven points i almost want to pick a push really think they. they win by seven yeah i mean i don't think green bay is as good as as they're made out to, and i don't think indy is all that bad. indy did just lose their coach for six to eight weeks though. Yeah with leukemia which is really sad. But I pray for him that he does well and recovers fully. But in the meantime, it's battling that like, are they playing for the guy versus they're

24:05 Justin: down because they don't have their head coach and we see what that's done to New Orleans. So I'm gonna pick Green Bay. Yeah, I'll pick Green Bay too. It's a tough one is too. I could totally see the Colts come in and kind of like Jake: playing at plus at home if this were in Green Bay I'd be like yeah 7 8 9 do it but be 13 if it was in yeah so yeah but I'll pick Green Bay they're a better team they should win by more they should I'm just gonna go with the what and in Justin: the dome with the controlled weather Green Bay should be able to throw the ball over the place big week big week is said Benson just saying okay Baltimore goes to Kansas City who's awful I think and Matt Castle might be playing worse than Mark Sanchez just saying. Tony Wilmott certainly is. Oh man he killed me last week. That was bad going against the Chicago defense not very good. Give me Baltimore given six on the road I don't care about the six. It's up from four and a half so obviously they've had to move that line up up up. Yes, money's coming in on Baltimore and my money's coming in on Baltimore. I'll take uh, Kansas City with the six. You better switch it up at some point because, you know. Jake: No, no, that's alright. I got- Justin: You can't just keep going along with me. I'm not going to go- I haven't changed anything. I've already picked all these. Alright, well we got the Giants hosting Cleveland. giving nine. Too many points. Way too many for the Giants at home. Giants don't play good at home against bad teams. Let me just point you back to Bills Giants last year and Seahawks Giants last year. Yeah they don't play well at home against bad teams. They underperform their crowd gets on them too fast and then they don't play well. That's right. They might win but not by Jake: nine. They'll win but I don't think by nine. Ah good game. Justin: I'm looking here. I my Yahoo must be set to West Coast so it says 10 a.m.. But uh one o'clock Pittsburgh Hosts their cross state rival in Philly Pittsburgh is favored by three and a half Thinking they're gonna get a bunch of guys back this week. Meghan Paul Palomao Harrison full boat Jones on Pittsburgh rested Jake: Yeah, Philly, I don't know, they've won a few games and they've squeaked out a few, but they've literally been squeaking out teams. I mean, again... Justin: They've won three games by a total of four points or something like that. Jake: I think Pittsburgh with a week off, with new players coming back. Healthy guys. We all know how hard it is to play there. I think Michael Vick is in trouble. Justin: I agree. Atlanta is going to Washington in what might be the highest scoring game of the week. I'll throw a bet on that. Yeah. Yeah, these are two good offenses. So Atlanta is Yeah, but Washington has RG 3 yes, and he's pretty amazing So Atlanta is going to Washington Atlanta's giving three Atlanta's really good. I don't think they're ready to lose yet So give me Atlanta. I'll take Atlanta. I think yeah, I'm not sure I'm not sure I believe in Washington as a winning team

27:00 Jake: Yes Keep it in there team. I'm not sure I believe in them as a winning team. Yeah, you just have to keep it in there and lose Justin: by two Carolina this is the four o'clock slate here Carolina is hosting Seattle and Giving the standard three. I don't know what to make this game. I don't think Seattle's all that good away from home I don't think Carolina is all that good at all, but I'll take Carolina just for the home factor Yeah, I'm gonna take Carolinas I could just see this kind of getting out of hand and I don't know if I don't know Seattle has the ability to stop Cam I don't think they have the ability to come back either if they had to they get down I right unless there's replacement rafts that are ready to give them a touchdown or three because they're worried that they'll get Killed on the way out of the stadium All right Jake: Prediction by the end of season no one will give a shit that Justin: Poison wraps ever happened only if Green Bay doesn't make the playoffs or doesn't get a first seed or something It's one being or if they miss the if they miss the wild card by strength this like by like in conference Strength or something or in conference record by like one game that'll that'll really be bad All right, so Chicago goes to Jacksonville and he's only giving six. I don't get it Chicago I mean I picked him in the Super Bowl. I think they're fantastic and to go to Jacksonville and only give six They're gonna beat up on Blaine Gather and I feel like they can score if they want to so give me Chicago. Yeah Cutler Marshall showed up last week. They're a good team. They're a really good team. That might be the best division in football. Jake: If Forte is back and Cutler and Marshall get it together and they're defense, I mean that is a good team so you're right. I think they could just destroy Jacksonville. You know the home thing but I think they'll beat them by like 10 so I'll take Chicago. Justin: We have another team in that division, Minnesota, who's 3-1. I mean, is that not the best division in football? Is the NFC clearly better than the AFC, right? This, at the beginning of this season, for now, sure. We're a quarter of the season. And this might be the best division in football. You've got Minnesota. You've got Chicago. You've got Green Bay in third. And Detroit who's not half bad at one and three, and you know they've been coming out This is not the same one and three, and I believe them It's not the same one and three as they've normally been So Minnesota doesn't matter if it's the same it's still one and three It's still one and three way arts on to is not the same two and tell the one and three that they're used to is Like on the way to two and fourteen, so I don't think they're on their way to two and fourteen, but Minnesota is home facing Tennessee I feel like this is a They're giving five and a half. I feel like this is a Minnesota is a good team. They just beat some teams that people didn't think they were going to beat. Now they're favored by a little too much points. So give me Tennessee in the points. Oh no, I think Ponder's return is turning into a real deal. And guess who's back? That's right Adrian Peterson back back. So I think I was glad to draft him in the third or fourth round of the jet Kingdom fantasy football. Good still didn't help you beat me yesterday. No, it really didn't. All right. Uh, who's some trickery here?

30:04 Justin: Navigating through the waters. Oh, God navigating through the waters of the rest of the games Sunday night Sunday night The last game we'll pick here is New Orleans hosting San Diego and the Owen for New Orleans Saints are favored by more than a field goal against the three and one San Diego Chargers. I really don't get it three and a half New Orleans is favored. Give me San Diego They're a better team. This is all in 14. Yeah, it's favored by three and a hook. I think it's not the same own for It's No, this is the same hope. This is a bad... They're not good. They can't stop anybody. It's not like San Diego's rollover. They can score. They can score. So... I picked San Diego. I mean, look, they lost last... Was it last week or... No, two weeks ago San Diego lost. They were made to look bad, but... They're a decent team. Three and a half? I mean, that's not... That just doesn't... Jake: Alright, let's move on to our... Check Kingdom throne picks. or thrown pics as they're called last week how'd we do Justin: have a hard time we do go ahead and look at it Jake: we did we both pick New England to win I think I was closer I picked 31 26 you picked 26 27 24 we both picked no I picked Okay, we both picked Miami-Duluz, we were both correct. I was very close. I was 22-24 and the score was 21-24. What I have it. You had 10-16. 16-10. And then we were both... Well, I was wrong on the Jets because I'll never pick against my team because I'm a fan. But I was right. You were correct because you're not a fan and a punk. That just brings me to my fuck you the week to you Justin Edelstein Justin: The broadcast really yeah Wow yeah, that just happened that did just happen all right Let's let's do that that throughout us. I'm that was a little upsetting Let's do the it's not like people couldn't figure it out if they wanted to let's do these thrown pics So Miami's going to Cincinnati and like I always like to do I like to throw the lines out there Miami's getting three and a half I'm picking the game to be... I'm picking Cincy to win 17-13. Yeah, I definitely think that... Close though! Miami plays close games. They do. I don't know, they're just a weird team. They're very weird. I don't think they're gonna score a lot this week. Cincy has a good defense. No, no, no. Cincy, no good defense. No good defense. Miami has good defense. Since no good no good on the defense. I don't know what that I do I do know cuz I'm smart. Yeah. All right Denver goes to New England Rekindling the Brady Manning experience New England, this is a this is the class of the week right here. This is the game This should have been the Sunday nighter, uh, New England is this should have been something I feel like New England and Denver play too often in prime time so they didn't want to play them together

33:04 Justin: I don't get it Denver's played thunk I think they've played two or three times already in prime time, which is not so so New England is home there favored by six and a half. I am picking in the game New England to win 31-27 so on the gambling side or the pick'em side I'm picking Denver but I like New England to win 31-27. Yeah I think I'll take New England Jake: and ah. They at home, you know, they're trying to play this up as the Manning thing. This is not the Colts This is a totally different team. It's still Brady Manning and fun, but yeah, it's fun But it's not that it's not that team Manning is is going and and he's having great weeks and he's having horrible weeks Yeah, I don't think he's gonna have that great of a week Justin: I think I think Patriots are starting to roll now, which is really bad because we meet them in three weeks But I think 41 30 Wow. We're 40-31. Jake: 40-31, sorry, Pat. Yep. Justin: Alright, moving right along, we have Buffalo at San Francisco. And the line on this one, just for everyone's education, San Francisco favored by 10. Oh, really? A lot of points, yeah. I like San Francisco there. I like them to win 31-7. Jake: Don't think they're normally gonna put up 31 points why no no I just feel like that they'll do you feel that They'll just walk against us because again they were well. They just put up 34 against us Justin: Yeah, I mean they put up 30 in week one they put up 27 in week two they put up 34 against us That's three games over 27. Yeah, so I don't see why you believe that they can I'm saying 2310 San Francisco, okay Yeah, I don't think Buffalo scored more than once. Jake: Buffalo is a strange team this year there, you know, there's a lot of talk about Mario Williams. Justin: No, they're terrible. They're awful, they're terrible. They beat two shitbag teams. Yeah. They beat Cleveland and Kansas City. They got their ass kicked by us, and they got their ass kicked again by New England. Yep. They gave up 52 points. They gave up 48 to us. That's 102 games to your division rivals. That defense is looking better. They dropped all those defensive- I get all that defense in there front seven. Yeah, we're gonna get awesome destroyed Alright the game of the day game cuz it's a Monday. It's Jake: Only game my favorite game of the week. I love having Monday night games I love watching all the games on Sunday having like a whole day of fantasy and games. I love it man Center love it, and then I just Frickin love it Monday. I get to wake up, and I'm not worried about my game here I said this to you awful off-air I'm excited about this game being a Monday night game because I feel like that the Announcers will spend very little time talking about it, which is nice Justin: Yeah, but then you get the whole two-hour bullshit. We won't be there. We'll be Chris Berman yeah, it's gonna be a tuba insanity Oh I don't even want to hear it. So I kind of want to record it on the TiVo just so I can see so give me how much they do

36:01 Jake: Since we know that you're not a fan of the near Jets and I'm not why don't you why don't you give us your keys to the Justin: I am a Houston. Why don't you give your Texans keys the castle? Are you really picking what what you wrote there? Yes So pathetic That is such a cop-out. You're such a douchebag It's because you won't pick them to lose no that's right cuz I'm a fan. You're such a douchebag It's funny though. Oh my god. I can't believe you did that All right, it's making me laugh. See the keys to the castle. He's the castle. It's the same fucking key every week the lines, both sides, offensive line, block, defensive line, get to quarterback, stop running game so simple the reality is, if we don't stop the run, we're dead in this game and this is one of the best running teams in the league they have, they're best runners in the league they run the ball 30-40 times a game, maybe more Jake: they're saying he could run 400 times Justin: you know what, he might, you know what's interesting, I'm gonna take a little aside here And I was listening to a podcast that it was Michael Lombardi from the NFL Network who's on a podcast and he was talking about this magic number magic number It was 51. Okay, okay, and this number 51 is if you can If if you can have your rushing attempts plus pass completions More than the number 51 you're generally gonna win Okay, and I'm looking just at the the game that we just played against the Niners. They ran the ball 44 times Yeah, and they completed 12 passes. Okay, which is 56 well above 51, right? I'd love to go through every game. It's a Bill Parcel stat. Okay. Supposedly. Okay. He came up with it. But if you look at ours, we ran the ball 17 times and we completed 13 passes for a total of 30. Well off of 51. Well, 51. So we lost. I bet if you looked at the Buffalo New England game, I bet you they both had 51. Well, let's look. Because this is kind of a fun thing, so let's see what happened here in Buffalo, New England. So, a lot of points scored. So New England, Tom Brady completed 22 passes, and New England ran the ball 40 times. So that's a total of 62. That's well above 51. Fitzpatrick completed 22 passes as well. but Buffalo ran the ball 27 times which gives that a total of 49 which is less than 51. Oh I thought that would have been you can do this I can do this all day long. No I don't want it all day long. But I thought that was an interesting statistic and I say it to just illustrate that I feel like Houston's gonna run the ball 40 times. Which means they only have to complete about 12 passes to be us. Unfortunately, I think Shab could complete 12 passes. Probably could complete 12 passes.

39:01 Jake: Yeah, I think this is really just a change. Again, I'm putting it all on the team to say you either stand up and you prove people wrong that you're not full of crap or you fold and this is a team that's gonna fold and then just sort of like go away or is the team just gonna be competitive clearly Mark Sanchez has to has to just start using weapons that he has I'm hoping to get Keller back fully time let's you know there needs to be a different game plan and it can't be bringing Tebow for one play and it can't be if they're gonna use Tebow I think at this point it's like just give him a drive give him a drive let him take a drive Fine. Let's just go drink Gatorade or something. Eat a hot dog. Eat a hot dog. Whatever it is. Pick his nose. Justin: This whole bring them in and bring them out thing, it just doesn't work. It's not working. So it hasn't worked all season and it's not going to work. You want to know why it's not going to work? Because it's not a surprise. No. Because we told everyone. Yeah. Well we didn't. And we thought that that was going to be like. a big thing. We say, hey, we're going to use this so that people have to prepare for it. Well, guess what? They're fucking preparing for it. Right. How about this? Here's the way you do it. Jake: Don't use it all. People never comes on the field ever. That'd be my favorite thing. Old-gold old fashioned Jets ball. That'd be my favorite. Try to play some good D. Try to get some turnovers. Try to do some special team shit. I feel like a special team hasn't shown up this year. Let's get some special teams. Oh, I disagree. Let's get a fucking run back for touchdown. We have one of those already. Let's get another one. I want another one. Justin: I think our special teams just played pretty decent. Jake: That's it. Alright. What's your score? 21-21. Tie! In overtime. Justin: Such an asshole. Cause you know they're gonna lose. No, they're gonna... And you know they can't score 21. Jake: You know they can't score 21 points on a Houston. I'm changing it. I'm changing it. Justin: You think they're gonna score 22 points again again Jake: It's gonna have to be like a defensive score like when you know we get me juiced Justin: What if your score came out right 22 21? Yeah is if we did a fuck it moment and We're losing 21 14. Yeah, we go down the field Score a touchdown with like six seconds left and then and Rex Ryan's just like you know what fuck it Yeah, go for two and I would love him for that even if you missed it. I'd love him for it I'd be like, you know what? That's his ballsy shit bring out bring out Pua and give it to him Yes, yeah, put him in the backfield put him in the backfield like fridge. So I've got us losing 31 6 Jake: Oh, how can you how can you call yourself a fan and pick that I'm a fan Justin: I can be a fan and and look and say shit. We're playing the best team in the league We're gonna lose we just played like the second best team in the league and then Jake: Romped us. Yeah. Well at least you have a you have scoring less points you had a scoring last week Justin: Yeah, well, they proved to me that they couldn't score on a top-notch defense So now they get to play the number one defense in the league With JJ Watt who has seven and a half sacks. Yeah, he's impressive. I Mean, they're like, yeah, fuck Mario Williams. You can pay him a hundred million dollars

42:02 Justin: We just drafted a guy named JJ Watt who's guys a lot more sacks than he has certainly does Jake: Alright, well we ran out of time so no social questions. We appreciate it. We'll catch up with you next week Good luck in all your fantasy games. Good luck at the game. We will be there How high water I'm gonna get really drunk before the game and that'll make it all feel much better Enjoy looking for a tie. We'll see you jetkingdom.com twitter.com such as kingdom Facebook.com slash Jet Kingdom Google plus iTunes and as always as we say cuz I'm the only fan here in the podcast studio Let's go Jets