Bucking Broncos

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Onan, what is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and they'll hear the lamentation of their women.

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00:09 Jake: The best place to be is when expectations are high. Get used to it. It's always going to be that way. Can't wait! Rejecting in podcast. The longest running New Year Jets podcast ever. My name is Jake. Joining me on this episode is Justin. Justin, how are you doing today? What are you doing? I don't know. I'm just trying to fuck it all up. Why would you do that? What are you doing? I don't know. My voice is going because I'm getting sick and I'm about to travel. And so I was trying my not screaming voice. Speaking of traveling, Justin: our... we're not doing one of these next week. Sure we are. On Friday? After both games? We, we're not going to do an in-between. Oh, crap tons. Oh, why not? I don't think we'll have time. Are we going to have our thing with us? We're not going to have time. We can do it Thursday. I don't think we're gonna have time. We owe it to the fans. I don't think we're gonna have time. If you do one Thursday, what's the point? We're picking that game. I'm gonna go ahead and say right now, we don't have time to do one of these next week. Jake: We're gonna do it. I dedicate it. I, god damn, we're doing it. Alright, alright, well we're going to travel next week. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not saying that. Well we have, we're bringing the equipment with our going because we're recording our other podcasts. Right. So why can't we pop out a few, we'll just like crap out of, just like the gents are playing. We'll just crap out a little crappy crap on the field and just say, here's a podcast. It'd be two of us. Justin: Alright, we'll do, we'll do, we'll do, we'll do, we'll do, we'll do, we'll do one. In between that that little half hour time slot that we have in between We're recording the other one and then you have that thing that starts a half hour later. We'll just do a little 20 minute Jones Jake: No, we can't do it there. We have to do it like no, we just duck off to the side. Oh Maybe we'll figure it out. We'll have the stuff with us. I'm not worried about it. I'm just saying if there's no podcast next week Justin: It's not cuz we got our ass kicked. It's cuz We are busy. We're busy beavers. Jake: We guarantee if the Jets win on Sunday. Justin: Oh, if they win, you're getting one. Jake: We're getting one. You're getting one that night. You know. You're just getting it. You'll get one. You're gonna get one. You'll get one. Justin: You're getting it. You're gonna so get it. You'll get it. You're gonna get it. Get it. Alright. Little bitch. You're getting it. Jake: We got a lot to talk about. out. First we gotta review the Jets versus Chargers. Do we? Debacle in the brockle. Justin: Do we have to review that? Man, I was so confident going into that game. Jake: Man, how confident you were was how badly they played. That was so brutal. Can you be less confident this week? Because it would be, you know, like super not confident, maybe the Jets would play well.

03:01 Jake: That's not gonna be a hard... Thing for me to be so we're gonna talk about that. It's always been news We'll do the jet kingdom fantasy find out who's winning who's losing will do the pick them We'll do the AFCs thrown picks we'll talk about the game of the week We'll make the go pick the keys the castle and we'll be out So let's get into the game. That was the game of the century You're San Diego. Yeah So here's what's happening to this team. We're just getting our asses handed to us. And if you look at the last five games, we've only played five games, right? I feel like every game, the way we lose is getting worse and worse and worse. We didn't lose the first one, but we kind of in the second half, we let them come back. We should have been a rat kill. Should have been a rat kill. Second one, we're winning. And then they come back and kill us. We give up 18 points. Third one was to run bears. Yeah. Third one, bears. Pick six to start the game. Why are you being so negative? Fourth one, who was the fourth one? Why are you going so negative? Can we play the lions? Yeah. They just torched us. They didn't like just torch us. Fifth one, can't even fucking score a point. That happened. This is not a good trajectory. No. Gino's working worse and worse every game. Not better. Worse. Worse. He looked the best in that week one. Hey, let me ask you a quick question. Yeah. Justin: Wouldn't you rather have Mark Sanchez starting right now? Answer honestly! Jake: Come on now. I don't know. I don't know which marks and says we're getting we're getting the one he was doing this stupid stupid I know You're too. He looked better than what this fucking guy looks like all of a sudden Justin: He's got I thought he looked like a real quarterback and now he's back to these shitty tendencies that make him look very bad All right. So how do we lose this game? In every single facet. Let's see. There's no one thing I can say that happened to say Here's why we lost this game or how we lost this game or whatever I mean there was a moment in time in the game that I can point to and say that was a big play that Turned it but it wasn't the reason we lost and it was the Chris Johnson bumble. We got an interception Finally, we turned them over in the red zone We get the ball in the 20 and we I think the next play Chris Johnson just Fumbles and they get the ball back and they score a touchdown and we're down 14 nothing They had the ball kind of 38. No every site you look at gross. They had it for 39. It's 38 54 So 39 to 21 they had They had less turnovers than us. They had 439 total yards to our 151. That should be our rushing yards. Okay. They had 21 first downs to our 11. They were 12 of 18 on third down to our 1 and 12. 8 percent. That's not bad. It's not bad for certain things like, I don't know,

06:01 Justin: like your baseball batting average. That would be incredible. No, that wouldn't even be incredible one for twelve. No, you know, we're terrible Jake: No, you don't we dominate the punting game. Yeah for fifty one point one average very good Justin: That's pretty good. We got sacked we Well penalties for 94 yards we did we did push-ups. We're doing everything this week Jake: Okay, I'm doing them. That's your thing. I'm not getting on the floor. I don't care 94 Justin: 912 penalties for 94 yards Then we let them run for 162. That was just not the Jets. That was not Jake: We need to wipe that one from the memory bank somehow Well, the problem is it's not like the week before we were this great dominating team We before we sucked we before that we sucked We before that we sucked for half a game. Yeah, we suck in certain facets. This was a all-and-out Yes, look at the trend. It's like this was an all-out line on fast. They ran on us not really No, whatever they really didn't no one had run for over. No, I'm sorry They were able to drive 90 field 90 yards on the field and score Well, they're the Lions. How well do they do against the Bills? Who, the Lions? Oh, how much they score? So is that saying that our defense is that fucking bad? I don't think so. I think it is. I think this whole thing is just unraveling. It's not. There's no good. Where's the good? The defense is supposed to be the good, the run block that's supposed to be good. I'm now looking at other teams that are... I think the Lions did poorly against Charger. Carolina? Didn't they play Carolina? Didn't they barely put up any points? They barely put up any points against... Bills. Go against us, and it's like a fucking heyday. Dude, sometimes you just gotta look at the numbers and be like, oh, you're just not good. All around. Hey, you know who's a really good running back? Brandon Oliver. Apparently so. Nineteen attempts, 114 yards, 6.0 average, 52 yards scamper and a TD. He also caught four balls for 68 yards. He was a monster. You know who's really good? Philip Rivers? Philip Rivers. He's good. So they did what we thought they were going to do. Meaning... the Gino couldn't get anything going you know I'm gonna punt punt punt punt punt a lot of a lot of bad stuff and they threw in couldn't run the ball Threw in vehicle Vic and we're all like okay here. We go. Let's go Let's see something and I'll tell you if you just closed your eyes and kind of squinted for a bit and said Oh that one or seven. Yeah, there's no difference like he's a lefty It's a little bit faster and he's a little bit more aware, so he doesn't do that thing that Gino, we were watching highlights earlier. Watching Gino just, he tries to scramble that, tries to, moves back, moves back, and by the time he's about to throw the ball, he's like 14 yards behind the line of scrimmage,

09:02 Jake: and he almost, and he either just whips it off to someplace that can't ever be caught, or takes a sack. Like that whole thing we were seeing in the beginning of the season where he's stepping into the pocket. Now I know this is the line the line has to give him but there's sometimes when it's not the line he just overthrown I think about Gino though he um Justin: There's a stat you can find out there. He's really bad under pressure When you pressure him or send extra guys or send a blitz at Gino He's really bad. He doesn't pick it up fast enough. He doesn't pick up like the hot receiver. He's like there are guys who you can't blitz in the NFL. Phil Rivers is actually one of them. Like you can't blitz him. You can't blitz Peyton Manning. If you blitz Peyton Manning he's just going to pick you apart slow and very painfully. You can't really blitz Tom Brady. Like these are like quarterbacks that you can't. One of the good ones. Well there's, I mean, yes. That's partially what makes them good. You can't get to them. Jake: You can't pressure them. Mark Sanchez. Justin: Yeah, you can pressure and you can do the same thing to Gino. He really doesn't pick it up. He doesn't see it and he just goes backwards. He back pedals, back pedals, back pedals. And it just doesn't work. Jake: He didn't actually get sacked. I would have said he got sacked a couple times. Actually Vic got sacked twice. Justin: genome didn't get sacked they were both pit poor he still threw a pick he still I mean it was a crappy end of the it shouldn't even count that one is still Jake: a bank yeah still throwing more than one interception a game or one more than one turnover game I even I who I'm I'm falling off the bandwagon very quickly here so the end of the the six seconds left in the game Throwing down the fields a hail Mary and the guy picks it whatever that is the end of the half half But whatever and guess what still counts I know it counts Some pic so here's seven point six right so we lost this game because the team didn't show up Just like he didn't show it in. No, they really didn't and they didn't know that why didn't they announce that during the game? Justin: I guess that wasn't known till after the game or a Monday. I don't know Jake: That's a little weird. Here's it. Here's the bigger worry like beyond just losing game. Listen, we've I I remember the game against Jacksonville With Chad Henning Chad Pennington. He just got destroyed. I remember the game against There are these games where we just get blown out like literally just and you just lose you just go down for every single year It happens to some teams. It happens to some I mean didn't Didn't the Patriots just have that happen to them two weeks ago in Arrowhead? Didn't they just get blown out, look like the worst team ever? That's not the problem. The problem is we're on the Cincinnati. No, the problem is how do you come back? And when you start to see all the cracks in the armor of the team, they're arguing, they're infighting, they're not showing up for meetings, they're not knowing who's the starter. Like, all that shit is the difference. Patriots took the worst beating they've gotten in a long time and turned it around.

12:01 Jake: You know what they did? They just took it around on the redhead stepchild in the corner. They put him over in the corner and they spanked him for like an hour or three hours. They said, you are gonna, you are gonna hurt you now. And they spanked him. Well, can we do that? We took a beating. Can we turn around as a team? And I said, we, fuck it. We turn around as a team and say We're not going to let this destroy us, we're gonna make it stronger. We're gonna go Nietzsche on these motherfuckers. Justin: I don't know, man. We got Denver coming up. It's not exactly like... I mean, this would be the all-timer. Like, the all-time nobody believes in us game is right now. Jake: It's really one for the ages. You play... You play to win the game. Hello. We're on to Denver. We're on to Denver. We're on to Denver. We're on to Denver All right. Let's move off this game. Let's pick a fool. Can I pick the whole team? Sure the entire team? Justin: There was one buddy, but the punter there was one actually Let me take that back Had a silver lining in this game. What was it? There was there was a player you had that you had the Chargers defense and fantasy Oh, there was me. There was a player on the field that I thought Handled himself and looked good and I was happy to see it Jason Maro No, not chase tomorrow. It has nothing to do with the offense the offense gets no love in this conversation The guy who got three balls for 19 yards is not the silver lining D milliner D milliner is over. Okay He looked healthy and they weren't throwing to him. No, they weren't they were picking on Darren walls They're picking on Antonio Allen. They were picking on the replacement Adams and whoever and it was really weird cuz Until now and played safety the whole game. He didn't play corner right very odd milliner played 72 out of 74 snaps he played the whole game and I don't think they really even completed anything to him. I really didn't see them throwing at milliner, right? I was very happy to see that Now not good to see these other things with I don't know if walls is playing. I don't know if it matters Like Malcolm Floyd just going over his head whatever it didn't even matter and I feel like it was cuz we played gates They were like alright in Tony Island. You're gonna play safety this game, right? I think we're gonna see it again next week Jake: Yeah, cuz we got oh you're seeing next two weeks Justin: Well, it takes to go on you're you're kind of like a rover here and you're gonna play Julius Thomas, right? That's your guy and then Gronk and then Gronk is your guy. You're gonna play corner the tight end right that's your position pretty much that's just basically safety how and yeah and how many I Didn't work out great this week But he's done it in your I I feel like the more you move a guy around the less effective he is unless he's a fucking Genius, I know you predicted they would keep him in corner I thought they would have to you can't move a guy a young guy like that around and put him in different spots He can only If he's been practicing at this position the whole year and then you throw him out there and you're like, yeah

15:02 Justin: Go it go cover all world Antonio gates. I know he's a little old but he's you know, whatever He's not going to Hall of Fame or anything. Oh, right. Yes. He is cuz he's fucking good still Go cover him. Well, he couldn't do it. He just wasn't used to playing that position He was the muscle memory. I guess wasn't there or whatever muscle memory Well you get used to playing a position, he's like, he's playing outside and outside the hash and then all of a sudden he's got to cover a tight end. It's a very different position to be playing. I didn't like that. I thought that was poor, a poor coaching decision. But the silver lining, like I said, was I thought D. Milner had a nice little game and... Maybe he can throw him out there on on On to Mary's Thomas and he can have a better go of it than chromarti did last week in Arizona and And maybe he can maybe cover the guy. I don't know so my my fool is basically the whole team. How about you? I Mean it's hard to single one guy out of this and if you're gonna it's got to be on the offense You can't pick a defensive player. That's just dumb Jake: I know they were beating like a drum, but no big Gino. Why not you pick the mark on picky? That's it. He was terrible in in defense of of of Justin: Hate even defending it, but there was once again. We were left with the covered bear. There was no Receivers to be seen Nelson's out there on a bum leg You got Curly who's a slot receiver. I mean, there's no one to throw the ball to again, because one guy doesn't play a decker and one guy can't can't cripple you like that. But Graham, baby. Yeah, like TJ Graham is getting targets. Guy walked off the street. Not good. They're not being creative enough. When you have nothing, you have to be creative. You have to do different things. Jake: Alright, uh, let's get away with that fucking game. I hate that game so much. Me too. That game sucked. Let's talk about news! What do you got? Justin: We already said Gino's missing meetings. Fine. Jake: Well, that was a clock thing. They're saying whether it's a clock, you want to see a movie, you want to see a Ben Affleck movie. Whatever, dude. Figure it out. Go to the meeting. Apparently he did everything he was supposed to do, but whatever. It was him and a bunch of other people. It wasn't just him. Great. I think he missed a 15 minute meeting. It was either 10 or 15 minutes meeting. Oh, alright. So it's not that big of a deal, I guess. Again, I think he's crumbling. I don't see him getting... You know, between the... telling the fans to fuck off, between the... That's not a question. That's funny. Between the whatever. No, it's just like he's losing his cool. Let me ask you this. It's not making him better. I asked you last week. He's not gonna get angry. They did the players only meeting last week. Really helped. I think, no, that's the meeting he missed. No. Yeah, no, he missed the players only meeting. No way. Wouldn't that be funny? No, because they did before the, it was like during the week. I know, I'm making a joke. You're not funny. Yeah, no, I'm funny. I didn't gauge. Nobody's laughing at you. You're an idiot. No, we're not laughing.

18:00 Jake: You're an idiot. Justin: No, they're laughing at you. So, I asked you, who's... Who are the people who are like throwing this meeting? Who's the sponsor of this party? Like the players only meeting he was actually the guy standing in front of. It was him as well Jake: I think it was Gino. Yeah, and then he goes and misses it a meeting a real meeting Well that meeting was like yes, he was like one of those. Oh the quarterback the show up for for 10 minutes at two o'clock and his clock was off the thing because it was on a different time zone. I honestly think, and here I'll give you a really weird example. You're gonna, maybe you love this or hate this. I fucking hate it. We're about to jump on planes with a bunch of people who report to me, and you somehow weirdly, but we're about to jump on planes and go halfway across the country and we're about to go play a big game. We are. Right? I'm making a note. Big game. game. We're going to a conference. Big game, bitch. It's a big conference for us. Part of the responsibility of making sure my team slash players are going to do well ais to prepare them. Ais to make sure I've given them the tools. Make sure I've given them the stuff. I've told them things that they should, you know, maybe it's stuff that you shouldn't have to tell adults. But you're traveling as a team, you want to give everybody the best thing. So part of me thinks yes Geno should know time zones or whatever and all that. I don't really care about this. This is stupid. All right Well, then move on enough with this Rex Permanently on the hot seat. It's a hot seat. His ass is singeing. I think I Don't know I definitely Again, I've said I actually said in the beginning of the season. I said it last season. He's got to produce something Justin: Damn good. No point firing him now though. No, you don't fire I don't believe in firing head coaches in the middle of Seasons. No, I think you unless like there's something catastrophic, right? Like when Oakland fired their coach actually don't think that does anybody any good. Well, you know, it's just now started I know it's Tony Sperano, but I don't feel like that does anybody any good to Fire a head coach in the middle of the season the only that's good Jake: I'm sure the rookie quarterback doing this good is that you can then start to go look for your replacement immediately You're not finding them. You're not finding that Interviewing them you can actually well they can be in college, but they're working. Yeah Right now, but that's the point if you fire coach he can then spend the next 30 months talking to anybody you want as opposed to you don't you can't you can't go talk to people they did that I'm finding it. It's not happening. No, you got to keep them. Listen, the problem is I like Rex I really like him as a person, you know, you know, you know, it's gonna happen Rex is gonna get fired Justin: It's gonna happen. Well, I'm gonna pull the season around unless something crazy happens, but At this point I don't see it. It's not eight. How the fuck did the Giants end up three and two and we're one and four? I mean, I mean they look so bad anyway. Sorry. That's my little complex but

21:00 Justin: He's gonna get fired because they're not gonna make the playoffs and he's gonna end up getting fired And he's gonna end up getting hired by somebody as a defensive coordinator for a year Year, he's gonna have that one year. Yeah that in between right and he's gonna fucking light it up somewhere as a defensive coordinator And then he's gonna get another head coaching gig and I wish him all the best Yes, I like him just like you but that's what's gonna happen. He's gonna go he's gonna be a defensive coordinator somewhere Light it the fuck up cuz that's really what he is. We now know this. This is your six We've never had a good offense under racks. No, he doesn't care right enough Head coach like Sure, the head coach is always like from one area or the other unless they're like a special teams guy, which is rare, but it happens But they're either like an offensive coach or they're a defensive coach for example An example of a great head coach maybe one of the best Bill Belichick. He's a defensive coach But when wasn't it wasn't well, he's a defensive coordinator, but when you Look at the paths and what they've turned into as a head coach Jake: You'd say well, he's a really good off edge. Yeah, it's like Like that's he he's a head coach head coach. He's not a right positional coach. That's exactly right Justin: It's like when you when you look at some of the other like Pete Carroll is a defensive coach He's a defensive coordinator, but you go look at Seattle offense and they can play. He clearly cares. Like Rex. Doesn't these are examples of two defensive coaches have one Super Bowls and been successful, and this is a guy in Rex who it's now really coming to light. Cause this is his third offensive coordinator to second. Quarterback that they've drafted that they cannot develop right and I always nonsense I'm seeing on TV about like you can't judge a year two quarterback. I sure as fuck can I Can you can look at it and you can say I can tell you Russell Wilson is a very good quarterback in year two He won the fucking Super Bowl I could tell you Andrew Luck is a really good quarterback in year two He won the Super Bowl I can tell you Blaine Gabbard is never gonna be a starting quarterback in the NFL. I can tell you all those things. Why do I have to wait on Gino? I don't have to. I can see it. I'm done. I'm over it. All right. Let's move on. Done. You can tell. You can see it in year two. Everyone still has their old school thinking. Jake: Well, but you used to. You used to. And I'll go back to 2000. I'll go back to 2008 and listen to you hear us say about old school thing. Quarterbacks don't come around until six years. Old school thinking. That was your thinking. Old school thinking. All right. I just want to remind you that you're a different world now. It's a different universe Justin: Guys who are in the Super Bowl winning the Super Bowl getting to Championship games in their second year third year rookie year like Kaepernick Wilson Flacco won in his fourth year, Ben Roethlisberger won in his second year.

24:02 Justin: Like you've got guys doing this early in the year. Jake: The writing has been on the wall forever. Gino Smith was a convenience pick. It was a guy who was rated very highly. They dropped the second round. Everyone passed on him. They picked him. Then the plan wasn't to have him start, the plan would have him sit, but then Sanchez gets hurt. The whole thing goes to Kit and Kaboodle, whatever. We pull away from a season that we probably should have done worse. What was the thing we got outscored by 94 points last year? Something like that, like that puts us at about 50. Justin: We were five and one in games decided by less than one touchdown. We had a... We like if you run like all these crazy like saber metric type of scenario statistical scenarios, we should have been five and 11. Right. Like, like if you go to like football insider or one of those stat pages, the basically we we we overachieve we overachieve and then the expectations are high. Jake: We're always gonna be that way the expectations are low Get used to it. It's gonna be a lot. We're gonna have to change our fucking intro though We're gonna lose Rex And I think it's it gets the chance to just to to make the plan happen. This isn't even overreaction theater Justin: This is real like Jake: We're not overreacting to anything. We're well, you know, it's not a weird world They say that the Jets bounce back win these two games go on a winning streak Make the playoffs and everything's back to me or that could happen The percentage chance of it happening is down to like 3% we just have to be going against two teams. I will Three weeks ago or two weeks ago, we'd have been like, oh hey, we have a chance against New England. Then they'd come out and they're like, no, we're back. Fuck you and we'll take you on and just at home. We're gonna destroy you and we're gonna make you feel bad. And you just got to play Denver three days before. So you're really gonna hate life when you come up and see us. And then- Such a true statement, too. Right, and then we come back and we play the Bills. Who just, oh by the way, the Bills are, you know, three and whatever. They're not good, though. No. I don't care about that. Alright, so let's get on... I don't know if I'm talking about fantasy. I'm terrible. Why? Alright, cause I'm terrible. But I'm so good. Alright, I have two theories about my fantasy year this year. Yeah. One. So I'm one in four in the Jet Kingdom Fantasy League. Yeah. I've got two theories. What's your theory? One is Super Bowl Slump. Justin: Super Bowl Slump? Yeah. Jake: That's one theory. That's a terrible theory. I won last year. I was not a champion and I'm taking the year off. That's bullshit. My second theory is Rupa-dope. I'm just letting you in and I'm just gonna cry out Waverwire BAM and I'm gonna come back and kill you all. It's clear the cream is on this side of the table You are five and oh in the league that is the correct you have won against someone like I've been very lucky 80 to like 78 and a 52 to like 40 like you've won some of those listen I play up to my opponents. I played down to my opponent you really did

27:03 Jake: Let's take a look at some of your 57 to 31. I was a good victory. I smoked them 77 points I won by 26 That's terrible Oh 86 to 84 the week three. Yeah, that's solid. Yeah, let's see The week before that 91 to 75. That's a good win. Yeah, what's wrong with this week before? 66 to 59 another good victory the week I put up 111 you put about the week that we played each other And then we- Oh, I just- What was the score of that one? 114 to 63. That was a good one. Yeah, that was your one good win. Justin: Yeah, cause you're the only one I really cared to like pour duck butter on your face. That's right. Like here. You need to throw losses? Jake: You played the guy with 31 points. That's right. I mean that's- Cause I planned my schedule correctly. It's terrible. Alright, let's move on. Alright, let's move on. Who you playing this week? I don't know. Well, I'll tell you who my playing I'm playing I'm a ronus tyronosaurus rex who is that Jesse okay Oh, I'm you are playing the second worst or I guess as worse as I am in the league. Hello, Isaac Oh, get ready Gareth. You're going down. It's your it is leading the Jack Kingdom Justin: Pick them though, if there's any 34 you have a 37 percent 37 line on him. I'm giving 37 I'll lay those points. All right, let's get to the pick them. Let's get to the pick. All right Jake: So who did last week who did well? Justin: I Had a better week than you. Yes, so figure actually my best week of the season. Yeah, this is happening. So last week week five Kibbles and Vicks great name had 11 very good. I love some of these names very good with 11 I had eight you had seven. Yep That's the leaderboard there and then if we went to the top overall leaderboard It's like me you're looking for has 42 wins 42 and 33 is leading the league You and I are down towards the bottom. I'm in 15th here I got 32 wins 32 and 43. I'm only 500 I'll catch up you've got six games to catch up to me That's why don't we get to why don't we get to the picks? Let's do it. Okay, if I get to this page Okay, so every week we pick every game against the spread We leave out the NFC the AFC East Because we do that in the AFC East throne picks where we get a little bit more in depth and we actually pick a score. And which we also suck at by the way. Oh yeah, we're bad at that too. We're bad at everything. So don't worry about it. Okay. So let's start this off with nice Thursday night game. Tea night, a division rival because that is what it is. Jake: Still like that. So it makes it a little bit more interesting. Justin: It makes it a little better, but there's parts of it that I don't like.

30:02 Justin: I've already mentioned. end. I don't think the Jets should have to play New England on Thursday night. I rather think that's awful on Thursday night Yeah, that'd be fine. All right. Anyway, Indy is going to Houston and Indy is giving three Andrew Luck doesn't lose in the division Very odd. That's so I'm gonna go with Indy laying three in these good And who's the quarterback for HU? Fitsy. Jake: Fitsy. Give me. It's Fitsy. Give me Indy all day long and twice on Sunday. And twice on Thursday. Justin: Here's, by the way, my strategy of picking all underdogs last week did pretty well. So I'm one better. Stick with it. Cincinnati's home hosting Carolina. Cincinnati coming off that bad loss. Carolina coming off of a good win. Comeback win. Since he's giving six and a half, no AJ Green think it's too much. I'm gonna take points, Carolina, six and a half. Yeah, I don't... Cause AJ Green, I don't think it's playing. I don't think. Jake: He's like hurt. Doesn't matter, there's too many points per team that is very inconsistent. Carolina doesn't have a great D. But it's actually not bad, dude. They're good. Since he plays much better at home. Justin: But Caroline is like a good team. Yeah, they should be getting like three. Right. I agree. Not six and a half. Right. So I'm going to take Caroline as well. We'll both take them and then since you will go on to win by 30. All right. Cleveland, the most fun team in the universe. And Cleveland is giving one and a half points to Pittsburgh. I can't do it. I'm giving one and a half points to Pittsburgh. And I'm just picking all underdogs. I'm picking Pittsburgh. I can't do it. I was gonna click Cleveland and then I said, nope. Jake: Pittsburgh just came off a wan't wan't game, didn't they? You know, they still won. Yeah. Jacksonville by 8 I think but I think it was like one of those games like yeah Well one really didn't look very good, so I feel like they'll come back division rival. I think they'll do well I see Pittsburgh winning. It's a good game Justin: Lot division games this week by the way Tennessee is hosting Jacksonville Tennessee's giving six at home I'm just gonna stick with points even though I'd really like to pick Tennessee here. I'm just gonna stick with them I'm gonna pick Jacksonville. Give me six. No, Jacksonville is terrible Tennessee. They're so bad. Oh my god. All right Moving right along we have Detroit going to Minnesota Do we know who's starting from Minnesota? At quarterback. Yeah, is it Bridgewater? Is he back or is it gonna be Ponder? Don't know. Oh I need to know that before I make this pick No, you don't I'm gonna pick Detroit in Minnesota Even though I don't think that's gonna be good if Bridgewater plays I pick Minnesota Detroit's favorite on the road fuck that Detroit's favorite on the road Give me the home team give me the points at home, Minnesota Wow Jake: Don't trust Detroit. I don't trust Detroit at all

33:01 Jake: But they're a better team than Minnesota and they should win they should but Justin: beating the Bills too. And that was two field goals. No Megatron. Three field goals. Jake: I'm going to make a little right hand turn here for two seconds. Justin: Do you mind? You're in a rush? You're not in a rush. What did it matter? There was a thirty-for-thirty thirty-for-thirties back. I love the thirty-for-thirty series. And it was followed by a thirty-for-thirty short. A little 13 minute like web thing, but they put it on TV, you can go to Grantland and watch it. Um, and it was, it was called the great trade robbery, like the great train robbery, right? And it was about the Herschel Walker trade, uh, that the Cowboys made back in who, um, lady nine, I think, uh, 89 ish. So. And it's funny this is Detroit vs. Minnesota, so they traded with Minnesota. They gave them Herschel Walker. Dallas was terrible. Jimmy Johnson just took over. Jerry Jones had just bought the team first year. They trade their best and only player Herschel Walker to Minnesota for five players and a draft pick, a first round pick two years later. Okay. Now these five guys what I guess wasn't really known, but Jimmy Johnson knew it was he was there was like a provision in the trade where Whatever round those guys were selected in the draft. Yeah, if you cut them He got Minnesota's pick in that round. Holy Jesus. So he just cut them all right after the trade and Then he ended up with six things and then he ended up Just trading and trading and training and just hoarding picks. He made like 25 trades Yeah, and that built that that Dallas dynasty in the early 90s, right? They already had ache man They already had Irving but they were able to then pick like all those offensive lineman Emmett Smith was one of the guys They've drafted Russell Maryland Wow, I a ton of guys. Okay. Anyway, one of the picks that they made one of the subsequent trades like move up and around was with Detroit. And Detroit use that second round pick to pick Jason Hansen, who was then with them for 21 years and just retired. Kicker this last year so he does a long way to get to that story So they've now gone through two kickers already this year because they suck and they're playing Minnesota So, look how that all tied together. No, wasn't that awesome? That was so good moving on leave a review on iTunes. All right We're still at 1 o'clock last 1 o'clock game because we've skipped all the Apc East ones Baltimore goes to Tampa more favorite on the road in Tampa by three don't like that. I like Mike Glennon. I think he's decent. Not great. Not bad, though. Better than Gino, I think, in his second year. I'll take Tampa getting three.

36:04 Justin: No, I'll take Baltimore. I don't think Tampa's a good team. I don't think Baltimore is that good either. Jake: But they're like, they're that team that'll just, they'll win one, lose one, win one, lose one, win one, win one. They play close though. A lot of close games. You always say that. Do they really deserve to be favored on the road by three? Does. Tampa. I know, but they're terrible. Not that terrible. Yeah, they can't run the ball. They have one weapon on offense. Justin: All right. Let's go to four o'clock. Jake: We got four, four o'clock games. I like it. For one o'clock games. Yeah, we'll be on the West Coast. Justin: We'll be on the West Coast. These will be one o'clock for us. This is great. San Diego at Oakland. A good one. San Diego favored by seven. And how can I not pick San Diego to beat the smack out of Oakland? Jake: Yeah, I mean Oakland's after just watching what I just opened just coming off there come up their by they had the double by with Justin: Miami the only two teams after might they be fired up for Tony Sperano Jake: Maybe he buried a football. He did the old I'm gonna bury the football trick You know what fucking Rex should go bury fucking field full of footballs Rex should take a shit Justin: I'm very very this shit. I'll take San Diego me too. All right. Atlanta's home home Atlanta different than Road, Atlanta Atlanta home favored by three against Chicago. Do you know Atlanta played the Giants this past week? They lost here in MetLife Stadium They haven't won on the road since 2012 God, they're terrible. That means all last season they were 0 and 8 on the road and they haven't won this year on the road yet either They're two teams. They're a home team in a row. They're like two different teams. I think they're actually good at home Like they run up the score and shit Nice, they're favored by three against Chicago Chicago just had a bad loss. I don't think they're very good I'm gonna pick Atlanta at home Yeah, yeah, you don't Jake: Home home. I'm gonna take Chicago not at home. Okay Justin: Arizona hosting Washington seems like Arizona is gonna get their starting quarterback back with Carson Palmer Yeah, way better than a third-string or Drew Stanton went out of that game. Yeah, and they still hung in there That's a good team Arizona. I really liked them. They're favored by three and a half against Washington. Washington coming off a short week, having to travel out West. They're not very good. They got a backup quarterback too. I like Arizona three and a half. Arizona as well. I just flipped it. Aren't they? I just flipped that one. I just talked you into that one. Jake: And I was like, I was like, yeah, Washington. Why would I say Washington on the road to Arizona? Justin: Like this is a tough line. I think this will probably be the national. Four o'clock game Seattle is hosting Dallas that has to be the national one Seattle favored by eight at home Dallas sporting a four-and-one record Seattle three-and-one I guess they've had their by they lost us Chargers so Seattle's home. They're dominant home. It's a lot of points. I'm never scared of points

39:01 Justin: I'm going to pick Seattle. Jake: I am scared of points. Dallas is always there. A different team. They're a running team now and they can run. I think they'll stick it in there. I think I think that's a lose. I don't pick it by eight points. Justin: Can you just see this scenario like really good game, right? Jake: up by... Wait, how many Percy Harvin touchdowns will be pulled back by Pimpton? Justin: 100, thank you. Alright, so let's say Seattle's up by 4 in the fourth quarter. 20... you know 24, 8, 24. Okay, they're up and Dallas has to drive the length of the field to get a pick 6. Can't you just see that pick 6 coming for that cover? I don't see it. I don't think you're calling that now that's happened Jake: I can see them down by I can see them down by 14 and driving down and getting a touchdown and that being the game And then we don't get on sidekick kind of deal. No, it'll be seven. It's an eight point spread I I'll take the win by let's go to Sunday night Justin: Another Sunday night good good Sunday game. Billy five o'clock 5 30 for us. It'd be great You're gonna be so drunk. Uh, Billy, Billy is hosting the New York football giants. We'll be out in San Francisco where the baseball giants are still alive in the playoffs. Billy is favored by three coming off of it was two and a half all week. Now it's three coming off of a loss. Their first loss of the season. Yeah, thanks. So yeah, you played a good game, right? they played San Francisco, all coming full circle. It's a tough team. Uh, they played them tough on the road. Now they're home division game, tough game against the Giants. I think this is a high scoring game. I like Philly to win by more than three points. I agree. Philly's just going to turn on that engine and they're going to go. Jake: And this is a game that's going to be in the thirties. Giants aren't going to be able to keep up. Justin: I don't think they're going to have to try and slow the game down. I don't think they're a team that can score. Well, they've scored 30. They just scored 30. They just did it. Yeah, I just don't mean they've scored the Giants have turned that I mean they've lost they did lose Richard Jennings. So they lost their starting running back, right? But in the last three games the Giants won 30 17 45 14 30 to 20 they haven't scored under 30 in three straight games There's no reason to think that they can't put up 30 against Philly But there's also no reason to think that Philly can't put up 40 against the Giants. It's going to be a fun game. It's going to be hardcore. All right. And then Monday Night Football, we will be in San Francisco. And San Francisco is playing on Monday Night in St. Louis. In St. Louis. San Francisco on the road favored by 3 and 1.5. stuff. Division games, St. Louis plays them tough. Jake: Very tough.

42:00 Justin: And getting three and a half at home, I'll take that. Jake: I'll take the home points. Nah. Give it to me. San Francisco's got to have one of those games that's like a show me game. This is their show me game. Show me what? This is the show me game that they're the team that I thought they were. Justin: Don't think they are the team that you thought they are. I don't think they're that good Jake: 28 24 and injured 49ers done done. I'm done Okay How we do last week in our AFC East throughout? Well, not well at all both flubbed on Detroit both picking Detroit to win and they did not yeah They should have we both knew because we're the only people the planet that you don't fuck with New England, although you picked the absolute, I shouldn't even give you this score because you picked 16-19, which is so not even- Terrible. I picked at least 30-27, like I was in the range of where it should be. And then we both absolutely off by, let's see, I was off by 25 points, you were off by 27 points. You were very, very adamant that this was a, that we had the ticket to Phillip Rivers. I tried to remind you that it's not the same team, but anyway, so now we get to this week. First up, I don't know why I'm doing this because you're typing. Yeah. We have New England going to Buffalo. Yes. They're favored by three. Yes, that's wrong. Well no, it's right. I'm just saying it's wrong. Oh yeah. Stupid. They're favored by three and I've written the thing wrong on this side. Well that's because you're a dummy. Yeah, I read wrong. What do you got? What do you think of this game? I think New England's back and I don't think Buffalo's good. I think Buffalo's gonna go into that slide that they always do in the middle of the season after they start strong and they're gonna start sliding. I think New England is... But you Justin: just wrote the score that you think Buffalo's gonna win. No, I did it again. You're a dumbass. Maybe. But the way that you're writing the score is like you think that this is gonna be a close game. I also think this is gonna be a close game. Okay. But you have, you have Buffalo winning. I do. I think they're tough at home. I think they're gonna be charged up, ready for, you know, they just came off a win. They have a winning record. This is a big game for Buffalo. If they win this game, they're... They're first in the division. Huge game, and I think that they get up for these games early in the season. They fall apart late. That's fine. But Buffalo is a tough place to play. And, you know, New England, you know, there's this roller coaster. They haven't won two games in a row this year yet. Yeah, that's only been five games. Okay. But usually they're like five and oh, or four and one. They're not. They will win this one. Jake: Well they can't. They won't be. They're not 5-0. They can't ever be this year. I know, but they're gonna start winning. Justin: I think they're gonna lose this game. Jake: You're crazy. And then they're gonna crush us. It's gonna be terrible. But then as my heart I want them to go up and win this game. Justin: Oh my heart, I want New England to crush Buffalo, but I just don't think it's gonna

45:02 Justin: happen. I think Buffalo has a way of playing New England tough. They play them pretty tough at home. Jake: They play everyone pretty tough at home. I like Buffalo 21 20 call me crazy. I like New England 30 27 Justin: So you think it's gonna be close too? Jake: You don't think you think you think it's gonna be very close. I think it'd be close in the end I think the game I think because games tend to go close, but I don't know if that's Okay, that's the final score. It's a three point. So i'm saying it's a push, but i'm gonna say New England Well, we disagree on that one. Yep, green bay is favored by three and a half points Justin: in Miami. Oddly enough, all three AFC East matchups this week, the road team is favored. Yeah. So they're all three where, well, New England's playing Buffalo, but there are three AFC East underdogs and they're all home. Home dogs. Home dogs. So Green Bay goes to Miami and Rogers tells everyone to relax again. Relax relax relax re LAX relax. We're fine. We're good. They had a long week They played on Thursday last week fine. They're gonna dominate 3117 they roll in there. They're like Did you guys hot shit here, man? You just beat Oakland ain't shit right two weeks ago, whatever Jake: We're gonna fucking steamroll you right now. I'm Miami coming up there by I'm still not sure I'm not sold on that being good or bad What, coming off your buy? Yeah, I'm not sold on it. The Jets always look flat coming off their buy. To me. Yeah, some teams. Some teams do well, some teams do well. I think Green Bay is just a superior team in almost all aspects. I don't know. I don't really know what Miami is. Are they the team that that beat up the fuck out of the Patriots in week one? That's why I think the world's lost. This next week they got embarrassed the next week? I forgot how they played. I don't know, they're the Finns. Right, they're kind of all over the place. Justin: Buffalo embarrassed them. In Buffalo. Oh right. I just- Jake: By the transitive theory, Buffalo should beat New England. Maybe. I do not think Miami will win. I think it's 2720 Green Bay. And they'll cover. Okay. And then on to this fantastic game. Game of the day, your score is Justin: terrible. You're a terrible individual. Anyone who's listened to this podcast for, I don't know, 228 episodes or maybe even 100 or maybe even 50 will know that... I don't always pick the Jets to win games on a week to week basis. You should. Why are you making noise? I'm not. So... I sometimes look at things from, you know... Jake: Sometimes you predict the Jets to know them. And then we know them and we can beat them. I guarantee it, you say. I had the guarantee. Justin: But, you know, I'm not your name-eth. Jake: Um... Justin: Yeah, I I am known to sometimes look at this through a realistic prism and say what are the keys to the game?

48:03 Justin: Fuck I can't even tell you I cannot tell you how this Jets team is stopping that Denver team at all Because even if Denver decides to run the ball six times They I mean there's no amount of balance like San Diego kicked our ass and everything they were balanced They ran on us they threw on us they were I think Manning could drop back on every play and Throw and they don't need to they don't need to run to like do anything to set anything up I cannot even think of a key to say if this were to happen Then we might win or we'd win. I got it. I got it. What? Peyton Manning get hurt in the first minute? Jake: I got the secret. Here's the secret. We're gonna go back into the cupboards. We're gonna grab all the Super Bowl shit that they had at the stadium. We're gonna rebuild the Super Bowl stadium. So make it look like the Super Bowl. And we're just gonna try to convince... Justin: Richard Sherman to play corner for us this week? Jake: Maybe. We're gonna convince him that this is actually the Super Bowl again, and it's living a nightmare, and it's gonna go. The only way we win this game is it's a nightmare game for Denver Broncos. Like a nightmare game. How do we make that happen? Well, you play incredible defense, you get them off, you knock them off their mark. And you just... But we don't have the players to do that. Justin: We have the players to knock them off the mark. Knock who off what mark? Who's covering Westwelker in the slot? Jake: No, we don't even... He's not gonna have four seconds. We're gonna sack him seven times. You're out of your goddamn mind. Seven times. We're gonna drive him to the... How fast? He plays these games. There's a couple games a year. That Peyton Manning go look at humans saying this from the very start of the season that we're gonna win this game There's a couple games a year that you can get him off his mark and he just he doesn't play well They're called playoff games. Nope No, yeah Justin: Super Bowl of your dreams he doesn't lose like this in the regular season teams that he's supposed to be only way to beat him Jake: and the beat this team is to get that man off his mark. And it happens. How are we doing that? Hit him, hit him. First play. He doesn't take hits. He does take hits. He just goes to the ground. No, he does take hits. And then you get a huge flag, but he might then start to send him a little early. Then the world starts changing and then we'll pick six. Justin: Who's covering? Who's covering Wes Walker in the slot? Who's covering Emmanuel Sanders on the other side? How fucking Wilson. Who's covering Damari... I mean, nobody's covering anybody on that team. They have four guys who they can send out there. All four of them will be open on every play. Peyton Manning can just stand there and be like, oh, I guess I'll throw it to this guy. Jake: What is with that? I'm gonna be able to stand there. I think we can put in pressure. Packages. Very hard. Justin: Yeah. Jake: But it's doable. Justin: I again. I mentioned this at the David of the broadcast David and Goliath.

51:02 Justin: No, I don't like that analogy. But why? Because that douchebag on TV did it. The Manning is not a guy who you can blitz. First off he's smarter than everyone on the field So as soon as he sees what you're doing and he sees it, we're good at keep deciding places not good enough. Okay Because it Phil Bravers is able to pick you apart. What do you think this guy's gonna be able to do? at this point Every weapon on Denver is better than what San Diego had. And San Diego is playing backups on their line. Backup center, and I think a backup guard and I feel like their right tackle went out during the middle of the game. So three backup offensive linemen were in. And it's not like we caused any damage or got him off his fucking spot. Jake: That's right. That's why we have to we have to race that game and reboot and come back and this is the new game Justin: I just don't see it. I'm sorry. It's the only way to win. I don't even have a key to the castle Jake: I just don't see how we do it. Well, that's the way to win this game is A get fucking lucky have balls bounce your way once or twice a game something bounces your way and you can take it. I think that's the only way. I think it has to be one of those games. I mean, basically it has to be the first half of the Green Bay game plus the second half of the Green Bay game but just two halves of the same game. We basically had this thing. There's a fumble snap, we get the ball, we score. Things just went our way. It's not gonna be through two, through. through talent, it's not gonna be a normal game, it's gonna be one of those games, like the Green Bay game. You and I sat there, we looked at each other like, what the fuck is happening? Justin: I wish we were on the road. Why? Because I don't think this is gonna work out being home. Here's the thing. Yeah. If we win the coin toss, we, as the Jets, typically... Like, come on, second half. Yeah, defer. A lot of teams are doing that these days, so if we win the coin toss I feel like we're deferring great if they win the Coin toss I feel like they're taking the ball and they're gonna score either way now We're down seven nothing and they're gonna go out there and they're and and they're gonna not score on the first drive And it's just gonna be a boo fest Jake: It's gonna be nasty and it's gonna spiral very quickly out of control. But the way to stop that is to come out like we did against the Bears. Come out, take the ball, run it. Run the ball. Justin: Against the Bears, you douchebag, we threw a fucking pick six on the second play. Jake: Okay, so Lions. Was the Lions we ran down 51? Yes, the Lions. Justin: Yeah, we put up a field goal. Jake: Who gave a fuck? Run the ball. Justin: Take those don't be Peyton Manning. There's my key. No fourth. No, no field goals. We're going for it

54:03 Justin: All right. No punting. No field goals. It doesn't matter. Just go for it Madden football. What's the point? Why punt it? You're just wasting time. You just go for it Every play is a Hail Mary. No, we're playing with four downs. We're going for it. No Hail Mary is just go for it What's the difference? Jake: I think there's a way to win this game and I think it's keeping it close and I think Justin: and I think it's knocking off a score is you're you're a fucking retard. I'm telling you, you're out of your mind. Jake: I hope you're right. What's your score so everyone can laugh for a minute? Nineteen thirteen gents. Jets. Nineteen. It's one of those games. The Broncos score 13 points. That's right. It's they have their, they have their game. Justin: So what you're saying is Buffalo is going to score twice as many points against New England than Denver is going to score against the Jets. Yes, that's correct. Okay. Mm, hmm. I'm just letting it sink in for everybody. They're all laughing. What's your score? 4. 38 13 Denver and I think that's more realistic prediction. Oh, whatever you did Jake: I was winning against the you know, San Diego last year 20 the last week 27 13 So I thought that was I thought I really felt good about that. You could be off by 30 something points one way dude If you're right, I will I will rudder your fucking duck butter. It doesn't make any sense One's a product of the other. I will rudder you till there's duck butter on the table. Yeah, it will not take that up on you. But anyway, again, I'm only going for the I'm a crazy Jets fan and I think there's a way to win this game. I'm just going for the... I'm just going for the... ...craziness. Justin: ...prediction and here's what I think's gonna happen. We're not gonna score. Jake: We're not gonna score so we're gonna have to do, we're gonna have to keep them from scoring. one of those games where it's like 9 6 at half and you're like oh Jesus how do we at 9 6 and half oh Jesus well let's just stick it in there stick it in there that's what's gonna happen could be a miracle Rook by lightning Peyton Manning could have food poisoning okay that's what I'm calling all right let's get out of here Alright, we're gonna try if the win will definitely do a podcast because we got the New England Like always because I'm still a positive jazz fan sorta. Let's go Jets Thank you.