He'll Be Back

Opening

Onan, what is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and they'll hear the lamentation of their women.

Transcript

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00:09 Justin: The best place to be is when expectations are high. Get used to it. It's always going to be that way. Get away from me! Jake: Welcome to the Jet Kingdom podcast, the longest running New York Jets podcast ever. I'm Jake, joining me for the 227th time. This is Justin, and I just want to say right off the top, I have some bad news that we are ending the podcast. Justin: Why? You didn't discuss this with me first. Jake: Nope! I'm ending it forever. I'm so fucking sick of losing. Justin: I'm done. Oh you're a douche. Why are you just a little rough water and you just dive off? You just quit? You up and leave me? Jake: I'm sorry, a little rough water and you dive off? Just leave me out of the blue? Ladies and gentlemen, analogy man! Justin: You just like a table with your what happened what had am I wearing right now? My season ticket older has my season ticket older hat and why am I wearing it? Proud motherfucker you go involved. No, you're the bald one. I actually you've already gone bald I'm pretty much bald done. It's over over. It's over for you. It's over. I'm I was like hmm Should I wear the Yankee hat? I'm like, nope, their season's over. I was like, should I wear like a cool hat? No, not gonna wear a cool hat. You're not really gonna wear my jet hat. Jake: Please, first of all, if you're saying those other hats are cool in any way, I have so many cool hats. Don't make me tweet out pictures of you with your cool hats. Justin: Oh Jesus. He wears like, he literally wears like, fedoras. Yeah. No, he doesn't. Cause I'm awesome. Like, like what are those hats called? They're called cool hats. No, they're not. No, they're not. They're called cool hats. Jake: I can stick that trashcan on my head and call it a cool hat. It doesn't make it a cool hat. It just makes the trashcan top of my head. Justin: Listen. Yes. I'm ready. We got an spaceship. We have a agenda. Jake: Don't jump overboard. We have a agenda. You're overreacting. But I'd love to, I'm waiting to hear, we'll hear back from Twitter and whatever, people listening and then like hearing that vin, oh shit. That's why it's kind of a joke. No, we're gonna keep going until the Jets win and then we're gonna give up. Justin: We've been through worse. Jake: Oh yeah. Much worse. Well, since 2007, have we had worse seasons? Yeah. Man, genie's 4 and 12 year. That's true. At least he won four games. We have one game at this point. Are you retarded? Ugh, fuck. Are you, like, simple? I am not simple. I am simply upset. Cause I'm a fan! Justin: That's why you're the podcaster. I'm a fan! I'm a fan! I'm a fan! Jake: I'm a fanatic! Throughout the whole thing! I've seen you be uncivilized, by the way. Justin: I'm so civilized!

03:00 Jake: It's because you don't go to games anymore. You skip all the fucking games. Justin: I go to all the games! Jake: You skip games because you've got weddings and jitters, ceremonies and whatever. All good reasons! You're the worst! Fucking fan ever. Good reason. I'm gonna argue with you again and make you get upset again and then go quiet. It's the best part of this podcast. Do you know what's gonna happen? What? Justin: Next time you do that, duck butter on your face. Jake: Are you banned from the apartment still? Justin: Have you made up with my wife? Actually, I think we're made up. I think we're good. After you crushed her in football last week? She could have won. Do you see the two? Yeah, she could have played two players and won. She could have won. Alright, that's the side note. That's her own stupidity. Let's get, hope she doesn't listen to this. She does not listen to this. Dakota's asleep at night, but she's already sleeping. I don't listen to it. I don't even listen to my own voice. Alright, let's talk about it. I love it. We get to talk about some shit. I listen to it all the time. Yeah, I'm sure you do. I listened to it and make the fun of sandwiches. Jake: Alright, we got time issues here today. That's your fucking deal. No, you were late. I was not late. The six minutes that we could have done. Justin: Fuck off! Let's go then, get fucking over it. Let's go! Jake: Here's the agenda today. Jess vs. Lyons. News. Fantasy. Pick'em. Thrown picks. Game of the week. Keys of the castle. Bitch out. Let's go. Jess versus Lyons. Again, did you watch the game? Where did you watch it? Justin: First half in the hotel room, second half on the E-mail. Jake: Second half on the E-mail suite. Did you watch the whole game? Yeah. Oh, okay, that's nice. I did. Justin: So, tell me why we lost this game. Um, two turnovers in the fourth quarter. Is that good enough? Is that a good enough reason? I think it's good enough. and not to mention we had the ball down 7 again again with a chance to drive down the field again and we didn't do anything again a trend three games straight turnovers and having the ball and not going anywhere. Like we had it Jake: And what the fuck? Why did we run it up their ball sack the first drive and then just stopped? Justin: We're not gonna let you run 7 and 15, it just didn't happen after the first drive, I don't think. Jake: Um... Yeah, other observations? Um... I mean, I do... You know... Can I read the text that you sent in the middle of the game? Justin: Yeah. Jake: You want me to read it to you? Justin: What did I say? Jake: Uh-huh. Well, I'm just gonna read it to here. Justin: I'll, I'll just waste some time while you're doing that.

06:00 Justin: Well, that's really kinda your... Anyway, let's go. Does that mean I have four day? Do we have a bunch of sacks? How many sacks do we have? Alright, let's see. Okay, let's go back. No. Oh, okay. We had four sacks. That's not bad. Jake: Okay, here we go. And I'm going to tell when it was. Because on Sunday, at 2.23 pm, that's halftime. Here's when I get, here's where I get a text from you. 17 to 3. quote I'm ready for some Vic in the second half K Justin: It's like, alright, let's see if maybe someone else can- cuz Gino's numbers have gone down every single game. And once again, he turned the ball over twice. So now it's four games and seven turnovers? What the fuck? People didn't like Sanchez for this reason. Yep. And this reason alone. Jake: Yep, and this guy's doing the same shit and don't and I and the excuses. Oh, I'm close So we'll talk about the sort of post game stuff I'm close to getting off the bandwagon like I'm sorry, but there are better weapons on this field than there were last year Yeah, um, you know, okay Decker's a little banged up whatever but he's still on the field He's still you know, he's still targeted ten times you have Cumberland and Amaro, right? Justin: I asked you're you had it like a Cumberland sometimes we use injured a lot used to you have better running game than you had last year. Yep Jake: Defe like it this bullshit defense not so much me again You can't put this whole game on on Gino Smith to do it ever I fucking want no You got to put some on the D on on the off the defense that can't to the New York Jets team to drive 90 yards down the touchdown. No, they shouldn't. They just drove like, oh, we can just do this. But once again, not a big running game for the opponent. Just 88 yards. from everybody with Stafford, you not very good on our side we actually did run most of it was that first drive which is 51 yards and and and the Chris Johnson's or Chris Johnson's out yep 132 yards 4.9 average just can't get it done I mean it comes down to you know a Gino Smith with a Justin: He goes 7 clear. 17 for 33. 209. One TD, one interception. I don't like it. I feel dirty but I really... You ready? Well not now. I was ready at halftime. Now it's like... Now you're ready for what? Geno start.

09:02 Justin: I know this is odd, but that's how I feel about it. Jake: No, I totally feel about it. Let's let's let's let's figure out the rest of the game and then let's talk about let's talk about the news and shit. We'll get back to that. But let's go with our fool of the game. All right. Justin: I've been reserving it now. Gino gets it. He gets full full game. Yeah. Two turnovers on him in the fourth quarter. It's his turnover and then he still has a fucking chance to win the game and he can't. Jake: How many chances do you get in the fourth quarter? Can I give my not fool the game? Yeah I'm gonna give my not fool the game You know who actually the one player on the I guess on offense but one player who I thought actually was good Who was on offense or as we were walking down the tunnel get it again I'm walking down and I'm saying I was like we're talking about kickers or something. I'm like our kicker fucking blows. Oh. All of a sudden Quiggly like woke up. Quiggly was good. Quiggly was hunting them. Yeah he was looking good. On all those, he had so much work this week. Yes. They were like Quiggly get your ass in gear. I mean 6 for 310 yards averaging 51.7. What's the net? The net's the big one. Uh 49.3. That's great. I mean. That's really good. That's really good. Um he was doing great. I don't know on the on the full. Justin: You know who also is not a fool? Mo Wilkerson. He's a beast. No, he is a beast. Jake: You know, I'm gonna make it, no one's gonna like it, but I am, something's ringing in my head. I remember one of these sports people in their little talking heads, and one of them said, Justin: no, no, no, no, it wasn't. You don't talk much. Stephen A. Smith? Jake: No, it wasn't him. It was someone else. I was thinking about his name, and he was like, you know what, fans? You're all excited about Eric Decker. Oh, by the way, it was his wife that did the thing. It was kind of cool. Jesse James. The what? The national anthem. Was she good? She was good. She actually nailed it. She's a country singer. She's really good. She's good looking? You've never seen her? She's very good looking. She's tiny though. She's literally like. I mean, she's shorter than you. She's tiny. She's shorter than me? Yeah, she's tiny. Anyway. I'm... and I know it's a receiver and I know it's a thing, but it still feels that like... So anyway, the guy said on one of these talking heads, he's like, alright, Jet fans, you guys are all excited about Eric Decker. But wait, you're gonna see a lot of drops where you just thought he could have caught that. He should have caught that. He's not as sure handed as you think. He's got ability, but he's gonna drop them and you're gonna start to get pissed. And it's been ringing in my head and every time I see the ones that are kind of close and in his hands or whatever, I'm going... Man, I mean he was targeted twice as much as anybody else on the team, only four receptions. I know some of them, Gino's overthrowing him, but again, it's like, it's that Calvin Johnson thing. It's like you throw it near in his range and he gets the ball. Justin: You're talking about the best receiver in the league. Des Bryant, Brandon Marshall.

12:00 Justin: You're literally talking about the best guys in the league. Well, he's not the best guy in the league. Jake: I know, but I want the best guy in the league. Justin: Draft him then. Don't draft Stephen Hill. Draft Al-Shawn Jeffery. Jake: All right. That's my fool of the game. Speaking of draft. Justin: You're you're you're making Eric Decker the fool of the game. The guy who scored a touchdown. Yeah. OK, fine. Jake: I just think he's dropping too many balls. OK. I'm not saying that they're like the game changer. Duck butter on your head. All right, so let's talk about some of the after the after party aftermath Yeah, so I'm on my home and I get text from people. Well, at least I didn't swear at the fans Justin: That language just doesn't work for me. Jake: So, yeah, fucking, he is a fucking, yeah, it's terrible. So he was walking out of the stadium in, oh, by the way, there was a chant in the middle. It was, we want Vic, we want Vic. I heard that on the television. Okay. I don't know if you can hear much on the television. I'm actually going to the games. You're like sitting at home. You can hear that one on the TV. So he's walking out and someone was, Justin: he's walking out like into the tunnel or he's walking out suit and tie. No, no, into the tunnel. He's like coming off the game. He's like on the bench. No. Just lost, walking out, into the tunnel. Jake: Yeah, and Jess fans said something. I don't know what they said. But then they have him on going, fuck you and whatever, and he walks off. Oh, Gino. He does that. Then in this interview that we just watched, watched a recap of. where he was asked from Manish Mehta, but fuck you, Manish Mehta. Justin: Manish Mehta is the all time fuck you guy. Jake: He just, he kind of played, that's not a question, he was asking about Vic and his Vic can give a spark and he was like, what does that mean? Here's my take on it. We started talking about this at lunch, but I'm gonna bring it back up again. One of the things that I always liked about Chino Smith. one of a list that's getting less and less was that the way he handled the media. He always came out win, lose or draw. And he when he says the team lose, he says on him. He always was very, you know, right? He was whatever. Justin: Very good. Jake: Yeah. He's losing his cool, and I'm not liking it I'm it's either gonna do one or two things either it's gonna piss off enough people that he will then get sat quicker Right there or people would be well if you can't handle the media, and you can't win games Yeah, you know we can't can't be with you right? Or maybe it sparks him apparently they had a offense only Players only. Players, but a players only. Justin: That's me like not liking that idea. Why? I think it's good. I hate players only. Jake: No, I think it's sometimes there needs to be some coming to Jesus and I like it. Justin: I like it. So who do you think is the leader in there? In the offense? Because when there's a players only meeting. Yeah, and it's the offense.

15:00 Justin: Who's the vocal one? Who's the one who's in there? Like mangled. You think it's Nick Mangold? Who calls that meeting? Nick Mangold? Jake: I think it probably got called by a couple people. And I bet they talked and said we need to have one. Yeah, let's have one. Justin: Who's these people? I think Geno wanted to have it. You think Geno's in there in that leadership circle? Nick Mangold? Who else do you think is in there? I don't know if any of the new people are there. Jake: I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I'm not in there. I'm not in the... I'm just asking your opinion. That's all. I'm thinking the offensive line. I'm not thinking anybody but Nick. Maybe D-Brick. I was like, D-Brick's got old school whatever. Maybe he would be one of those people to be like, we need to have this meeting. But he's sort of like a nice guy. I can't see him being like, what the FK. I don't know what to think. I'm a little whatever. But let's cover some other news. Okay Yeah, broke his what a warrior broke his collarbone in the first half of the game and played the second didn't even care He's like fuck it. I'm playing so he's out. I'm like, oh that sucks Terminator why not? He was fun. He was fun to watch he played on the Giants last year I remember watching the Giants and watching him, you know hit someone be like, yeah, that's what he used to do Yeah, I really understood why we let him go in the first big injury and they didn't know if he could come back from it Well, he's back. That's why and we No! I'm not giving you credit for that. It's looking like they should have drafted 17. No. Out of this pile of proof, you guys... You're not gonna be able to keep all those guys. But they're not keeping them because they didn't have the numbers. They're not keeping them because they sucked. Justin: Well, that's terrible. Jake: Well wait, but that's not a numbers thing. Justin:** Well, it's partly a numbers thing. It's like, yeah, I've got like... Well, when you have like, I don't know, five draft picks in the sixth and seventh round, they're gonna suck. Well then what does it matter? Try move up, try and get some guys. I mean, you know, Shaq Evans, OK, hurt himself. This other guy in noon was not so good. So he's on the practice squad. This guy dropping shit. But right. You know, cut. I mean, the first two rounds are looking all right. It was the third round pick. What are we picking the texture? It was not texture. Oh, OK. So he's on the IR. Right. Great. This is just looking like a drastic draft.

18:00 Justin: No, the draft's looking terrible. Terrible. Jake: And I'll tell you a lot of the pressure now is coming out on Izzik because it's in the media. I was watching the Greeny on ESPN do a huge thing and he's like, he's like, what's with the, everybody's like saying, well, what's with the $20 million? So you get $20 million in cap space for this year. What's with that? Here we are now decimated and we don't have the corners We don't have the wide receivers. I don't have the whatever and why we have 20 million dollars in the bank Justin: Why couldn't we sign this? Revas nonsense two-year deal, which is really a one-year deal Jake: Well, first of all, the. Revas nonsense isn't looking so good the Revas is he's been burned badly by Duane Bowe. Yeah, whatever. Justin: Well, no, he ain't Revus, he ain't Revus. Yeah, that's fine. He's still better than I don't know. Oh yeah. Yeah, New Allen. By 16 million dollars. Jake: Yes, buy a lot of money. Oh, and they just find, you know, 12 grand. So, whatever. It's only 3000 dollars per letter. That's a deal. Justin: It's not even that big of a thing, you know? No, whatever. It's not big at all. I tell the fans, fuck you every week if I knew it was 12 grand. You don't. Yeah, you can't. Jake: Fuck you. Alright, fans. Let's talk. Let's go on. Let's get into our pick-em. Justin: Because why you don't want to talk about the fancy Must be because it's your birthday. Happy birthday, birthday boy! Yes, thank you. Happy birthday. How many podcasts are you going to say happy birthday to me on today? Happy birthday. Oh my Oh my god, I just talked butter in my pants. That's terrible. How many leagues are we in together where we play against each other? What's my overall record in those two leagues? Eight no. Oh my god, that's awesome. Jake: I guess. I guess. No, this is, if there were a list of people who was not this year, Geno Smith, Jake, is fight number two. Jake the podcaster. I have not done well and it's not... Justin: Who are bored? I have not done well and it's not... Who are bored? Let's see. So last week I lost your playing mo book mo problems Matty Johnson this week Okay, the of the Dobson clan and you are favorite to win as well. I'm favorite to win. Yeah, he's already

21:01 Justin: He's already had two guys play. Yeah Yeah, and he has Jacob. Oh is Nelson? Okay, so and also didn't go crazy last night Yeah, one of each Alright, let's go into our pick-em, yeah? Yeah, let's go into pick-em. Another place that I absolutely excel at. You suck! But we have a new top. New top dog. Justin Top, Jake Bottom. Idzik, is it me you're looking for? Jake: Is now the top with 34 points. He had a 9 last week. and options are all over the place options everywhere i had a two last week. I think I had a three. Justin: You had a three. Oh yes, really. We're so bad at this. Really, if you want to make money, just listen to what we say here. But typically I'm good at this. Yeah, this. This is not your year. I mean, I'm 23 out of 29. You know what? You need to take a couple weeks off from work and just focus on football a little bit. Because you're off your game. Alright, let's get into it. So this is the pick-em-where we pick every game against the spread except for the AFC East Games, which we go into a little more detail. Jake: But we're gonna hurry it up this time. We're gonna do this quick. So did you pick last night's game? Justin: I did. Did you get it right? No, I did. Okay, so I'm already beating you. You're already beating me. All right. I thought they'd stick within eight and a half points. Let's uh, let's get this thing going. One o'clock games. Dallas is hosting Houston. Dallas favored by six. I want Houston. I will tell you now, I didn't really pick all these games, I just went down the whole row and picked all the underdogs. Good. Then this is my week to come back. I'm going dog. I think Dallas and Dallas, in Dallas, will be able to cover six points. JJ Watt, motherfucker. Alright, whatever. Tennessee is hosting Cleveland, two bad teams, although I think Cleveland might be decent. Cleveland getting two like I said picking the dogs. I got Cleveland. Yeah, Cleveland off a bye Tennessee not looking good. I'll think lockers playing if that doesn't matter to me. Okay Indy is hosting Baltimore Favored by three and a half and Baltimore plays close games Closer than that so give me Baltimore indie freakin scores a lot. Yeah, I know I Am good. I'll take indie. Okay New Orleans home Versus Tampa all this line moved since I picked it was ten and a half. It's not ten. Yeah, give me Tampa. Anyway, I got Tampa Jake: I should switch this one because I've been picking the, oh, they can't cover this big thing and then they have, but I'm gonna stick to it and I'm gonna switch it. Justin: Give me New Orleans. Okay, it's home. They're a different team at home. The Giants are hosting the Falcons.

24:01 Justin: Are you back on the Giants bandwagon or not? Jake: They're so terrible team. Yeah, they're terrible. Even though they just. They just figured what out? Justin: 45 points against an awful awful team or whatever. Give me Atlanta and four. Atlanta, not a good road team. Not going to happen. Give me the gents. OK. Philly hosting St. Louis and Philly is favored by seven. Give me the underdog. Give me St. Louis. Philadelphia will not come out and get into a hole to start this game. Jake: They will go strong. St. Louis' quarterback is who? Justin: Doesn't matter. Exactly. Philly will cover. Carolina's hosting Chicago. Carolina favored by two and a half. Give me the road team Chicago. Jake: Oh, Carolina. Oh, why have you been so terrible this year? Give me Chicago Justin: Pittsburgh goes to Jacksonville Oh Jacksonville home dog love it six points give it to me Jacksonville Jacksonville told you I just picked all the underdogs. I figure if I do it that way out. I'll get like 50% and Tony other than three Antonio Brown Tony Brown lazy on Bella are gonna go nutty go nutty and score a crap Ten points give me Pittsburgh Okey-dokey We're at 4 o'clock now Denver hosting Arizona only three four o'clock Boosh just a great game sucks that the Jets are at one because the other two not I'm one there for sorry for You get to watch 20 minutes of this game. These other two games are so good though, Denver hosting Arizona, Denver favored by seven and a half. That's a lot of points. Arizona's good. They're good defense. Who's their quarterback? Drew Stanton. Doesn't matter, they're good. They have a good offense, and they have a really good defense. -Gimme Arizona. They suck balls. Denver at. At home after a buy, they're gonna rip it up. They're gonna put one of those 40 burgers. Arizona, very good. Jake: Not that good. Justin: Okay. Arizona, very good. Side bet. Side bet. Okay. Loser drinks. Thanks. Winners duck butter. All right over under on the amount of times that you say duck butter 9.5 over. Yeah enough Same now, this is the other four o'clock. Yep, I'm skipping out. Good job San Francisco hosts Kansas City Alex Smith going back to San Francisco Right good game all around where they've been better without him Well the one year that he was there under Harbaugh, they were pretty goddamn good and then he played into the next year and they were still pretty goddamn good. So I still think they'd be good with or without. It doesn't matter. They'd be the same. You're definitely taking Kansas City. I sure as shit am. Jake: Kansas City, six. 49ers are a team that just has to get it together and when they do they're going to be really good. I think they're gonna get together this week. Give me the 49ers. Okay, skipping Sunday night cuz it's the pads Justin: Seattle at Washington is a rematch of that playoff game from two years ago when RG 3 blues me out again

27:10 Justin: Washington favorite Washington home getting seven give me Washington getting seven it no no Seattle I don't know Seattle after Seattle off a by Seattle Jake: good Seattle good quarterback Seattle good running back Seattle good defense Seattle Seattle Seattle Seattle say it three more times I should change that I Justin: might all right Jake: Let's do some AFCE- Justin: You know what's so funny at the bottom of these things? They ask for the tiebreaker, the score. Yes. And I have Seattle 31, Washington 17. I gotta change that. Jake: You're an idiot. You clearly don't understand how- Clearly that. You're picking against yourself. Alright, let's get into some throne picks, the AFCE throne picks, where we pick every game of the AFCE. So we talk about them though in- Less than rapid fashion. Right, so Buffalo. And we don't do them in order because we leave it just till the end. Right. Where we give the keys to the castle. Justin: Buffalo is... Miami's on a buy, yeah? Jake: Miami and Oakland because they are the two London games. They're coming back from London. Justin: When we have our London game next year. Well, when we go over there Gareth will hook us up. Right, but I'm just saying we're having our London game. Did you see the pictures? Was that the game? Oh, I did see the pictures. Oh, alright. Buffalo is in Detroit. With Kyle Orton at the helm. That's right, they sat EJ manual. Is it time for the AFC East to sit all their quarterbacks? It almost is. Almost, that Tom Brady's looking like shit. Dude, you shit. Jake: So fucking pissed off because it's like we get these chances. Justin: I'm fine, we're one game out. We're good. We're good. We're one game out. All right, one game out. Um, so Buffalo goes to Detroit. Kyle Lorton's not any good. No. Does anyone remember? He's not good. No, he had like one streak of like five games at the end A long while ago. And got them into the playoffs and then they just had it. He played well a long while ago Jake: He's got the beard. Whatever. He shaved it Justin: He had a chance last year to win and get the Cowboys into the playoffs couldn't do it. Kind of retired They brought him off the scrap. He he retired because he didn't want to play for the Cowboys and wanted to keep his money. He's not Good no, I totally agree is buffalo. No, Detroit wins 31 17 in Detroit they run up some some points. I like Detroit at home Jake: Joy does some some issues there in it there bringing up practice squad guys off the running backs so they've lost everybody. They're just gonna chuck it around. They're gonna chuck it around, but Calvin Johnson, is he happy, healthy Calvin Johnson? Didn't look at last week, did it? Catch? He's like barely on the field. Justin: He was barely on the field. Hey, he's like, when he was on the field, he's like, limping around. Jake: And his one play was run 9-yard and sit. and our stupid defense couldn't even pick that. It was like, little, he ran 90 yards, he just sat there. He could've sat on the ground and caught it. He could've gone, bloop, a'cause he just sat there,

30:00 Jake: then they threw it to him, and he caught it and he fell down. It was pathetic. But I don't think he's gonna be back. I think in a couple weeks he might be back, but this week he ain't gonna be back. So I don't think it's gonna be one of of those crazy score things. I think you can run a little bit on Detroit. We showed that we could. I don't think you can if they want to stop you. We could run 51 in the first quarter. If they drive. Justin: I feel like stopping you. I feel like. Jake: 134 yards. Justin: I think they'll run on them. So I think it'll be closer. I don't think the Bills have the running game that Jets have. Jake: They got two good running backs. Justin: Yeah, that doesn't mean shit. The running game doesn't equal running back. Well, I think they'll be able to run. Over under 100. 100? total. 100 total rushing yards. Jake: Under. I'll take the over. So I see the being a little bit closer and Buffalo does have a kind of, I don't know, it's a defense I'm not really sure about. They seem to pay, they seem to have a good run D, but we'll see. So I think it'll be closer. Not high, high scoring. The Detroit Lions of Detroit will score 28 points. Justin: The Buffalo Bills of Buffalo will score 21 points. Don't forget, Jim Schwartz is the defensive coordinator for the Bills. I'm picking them to push. I'm picking to push. I see that. The defensive coordinator is the Lions head coach from the last five years or whatever. There you go. So the Lions are going to want to take it to them probably. Or he might want to take it to them who knows all right. This is the most interesting matchup of the week Jake: Yeah, this is crazy sauce when we put wow that's crazy I think nobody in the planet thinks what we think is gonna happen But no one else has watched this watch nobody else's watch this team do this Justin: That's right, New England at home after well. Let's talk about last week. We watched it. Yes. I watched it in a bar and then I watched it in a hotel, watched it from my couch. And you'll stay in the way for the New England games, please. Can the city beat the piss out of New England, huh? I mean, every facet of the game. Jake: It was just so fun to watch. It was awesome. It was so awesome. So good. Justin: Because they just they took him out behind the behind the back and they had raped him with like a Jake: With a tool a shark that remember that thing that came out and they banged on the drum in the beginning of the game No, no, you didn't see it where they came out. They had this drop and the guys banging Justin: Well, I took that out Do remember seven knife cock they like knife cocked him. Oh That's totally totally knife cocked him. Look it. You know what? Why can't we do this whole Guinness Book of World Records loudest crowd deal? Jake: We can get in there. Why aren't the Jets? Why don't we make it about 102 and these are 141 decibels? Justin: But why don't we if they make a thing out of it like hey everybody Get fucking loud because we're gonna break some records today They like we're we have this Monday night game against

33:00 Jake: Miami that's all there. We should do the Thursday night against the Patriots. That's the game. We should try it. Are we home for that? Yeah Justin: Yeah, that's the game. But we're not gonna be that. No. Yes. That's a road game. New. You're missing two home games? No. That's a road game, motherfucker. Jake: No, it's home. It's in like two weeks. That's not... That's the... That's... Justin: That's the Thursday night game you get to pass. Stop fucking with me! What's the one in December? Why do you fuck with me? That's so fun. Then there's the Miami Monday night game. Alright, let's talk Monday Night. Jake: That's right, the Monday night game. Justin: Why... Well, let's talk about refused to just bow down to my greatness. No So yeah, so New England got their ass beat but we know they don't really lose back-to-back games And when everyone's talking shit about the paths and when they say they're done They love it and they're like, oh the big bad Cincinnati who's coming in who's taking over the AFC the best team in the AFC off the by Watch them smack that's when New England just says yeah Jake: Blink! Justin: And just flicks them off their shoulder like, yeah, we've been here before, we've done this shit. With all that said, though... Jake: They're not good. No, my prediction for this game has nothing to do with the team that's on the field for the last four weeks. Justin: Mine has a little bit, just with the score. Like, 1916 New England, I don't know how they get to 19, but whatever. I just feel as though they're gonna win the game. I'm just not sure how they're gonna get to that win because they don't really lose back-to-back They definitely don't win that they definitely don't lose that second game at home Nope, and in prime time and when Brady was just embarrassed He's gonna come out and look like not the way we saw last week. I mean if it happened We saw there's so many times. I I totally agree Jake: I just I think if you've been a fan of her long enough you look at knowing that you like yeah That's not happening now if it happens that no one's gonna be happier. If they get trounced on prime time at home and lose two in a row, I'm going to be like, wow. But that team that I look at looks terrible. I'm only picking, I'm picking from basically the Patriots. I'm picking from the Patriots, I'm not picking this team. So I think. They're gonna be to keep it keep it close. I think they're gonna I think you're gonna see Tom Brady come out just firing and He'll be playing a different type of game and everybody's like he's back and then we'll just have to worry about him in a couple weeks New England Patriots 30 Cincinnati bungles 27 Justin: Okay Are we ready for the like game of the century game of the whatever are we gonna be? Victorious in this game. I have very strong feelings about this game Jake: Are we gonna let the dogs out? Okay do one more. Yeah Are we gonna be break out of the prison? No? Well, I mean I have a very strong Justin: Very strong opinions on this game. Well, here's what I'd like to hear from you. I'd like to hear your keys

36:03 Jake: Let's talk about injuries first. Okay, cuz we have injuries. Do we? So yeah, Nelson is No good. He turns his not playing turned his ankle. I don't think he's gonna play Decker is day-to-day still that thing's gonna be all the way through the fucking season socks Until maybe the buy and whatever and he can go get it Justin: Fucking fixed or whatever just getting up in one of those chambers. That's right Jake: because he's slow as shit in that game that he came back and he tried to play. Justin: I think you're gonna get him this. I think we're gonna get him out there. Yeah, I think so. Jake: Full milliner. Like last year, last four game milliner, not beginning of year, this year, or? Justin: Full blown milliner. Jake: Cause I think that changes the D. Like, then we have, we can do two corners, like, you know, like normal, and then bring in two safeties, and they have Antonio Allen and Calvin Pryor. And you have wall and milliner. Justin: I just don't think, no, I don't think that's how it works. No, no. You think he replaces wall? I think walls go in a three man rotation on the outside. Yes. I don't think Antonio Allen back to safety this year. I think that's it. He's made, they've made the move. He's a corner. For this season he is a corner. That's it. I don't think he moves back because once you move back It's like all the things you're working on to get better week over week You just lose and he hasn't been practicing as a safety. So it's like Jake: All right. I just don't see it happening and then that's it for the injuries Justin: So we again we went out and re-signed a wide receiver. I'm now it's like We signed TJ Graham from the Bills. Okay. I know, right? This does not feel like last year where we were like picking up wide receivers off the street. Jake: We are doing exactly that. 12- That's why we should have drafted 15 people in the draft. And we have two left. That's ridiculous. Justin: Could we go sign Steven Hill off? Jake: Alright, let's talk about the Chargers. Who are the Chargers? And what- Justin: The Chargers have a very good underrated defense. That's the first things don't be surprised when we're not able to move the ball So well like five three and outs like that Phil rivers is Really good. He's know that he's well above average. He He's got a very quick release. So like if you if he blitz them He'll kill you. He doesn't care. He'll just throw it to the open guy. He doesn't care who it is. He plays a lot like Peyton Manning in that respect. He's not Peyton Manning, but he plays like that, right? He just doesn't care. He blitz me fine. I'm happy with that. I'll take the yards wherever they are. They're not going as much down the field as they used to, like with the north turn

39:02 Justin: offense. more of a Like it's kind of a Peyton Manning style of offense. They'll take the shot down the field when it's there But they're really just going methodically moving themselves down the field very accurately Short passes tight end involved running backs involved in the passing game slants just Short passing game. Well speaking of that their destiny back. Yeah, they can't run. Well, this is this is kind of bad for us I wish they could run you couldn't throw right? It's the opposite. They are throwing team right throw right? So they're very wet. We put we put Richardson and Mel will back in coverage. It's like Rush to I don't think that'll work But here's the thing I have a feeling about this game for some reason. I just feel like we have Phil Rivers number I Don't think the Jets have ever lost to Philip Rivers as A as a quarterback and we've played them a bunch of times. We've beaten them in a month. Yeah, so I I just feel like we have their number and him in particular and Rex has a way about getting to him Yeah, and maybe it was like a north Turner thing Rex had a way of beating the north Turner offense. Yes But I just feel good about it. I just feel really good about it for some reason Don't know why the key to the castle is a simple one Don't turn the fucking ball over if we can have zero turnovers. I'm pretty sure we're winning the game That's how like I'm really confident and my score 2713 13 that's it. They're not going anywhere on us It's over, it's a wrap! Drop the mic or I'll drop the bottle. You're a little pussy drink. Jake: It's a wrap. I feel like we can win this game. This is a winnable game. And looking at the original schedule when we started, I thought this is a winnable game. Right. I still think it's a winnable game, but it's going to take... it's gonna take four quarters. So my key to the castle is four quarters. Not a really great quarter, not a whatever quarter. What's happened in the last couple weeks in losing is we just can't keep the momentum. Like we usually come out, we're doing okay. It's like we score, we run the ball, we do this. And then for some reason, this team that used to be the second half team can't do it. We're not doing the last drives. We have the ball in the fourth quarter. We can't get that. Last year, even, we had the ball in the fourth quarter, driving down, and kicking the field goal to win. And we were only eight and 18. We're not doing that this year. We're turning it over twice more in the fourth quarter. We're fumbling, we're doing mistakes. It's like it's a mistake or missing the pass or whatever. It's gotta be a four quarter game. I think there can be a turnover. But it has to be reciprocal.

42:01 Jake: If we have turnovers, we have to be reciprocal. We also have been terrible. This whole focus over the offseason was getting good at taking over the ball. We have not been doing that. We are not our, I'm sure our plus minus on the turnover is terrible. So to me, it's just got to be a complete game. And if we go up 14-0... at the half or in the first quarter. Let's say we go up 14-0. I'm gonna be worried because this team blows 14-0 leads. This team just, it doesn't have the fight or whatever to come back. So I wanna see that. I wanna see the fight. I wanna see them take it and then stuff it down someone's throat and not look back. So that's what I'm saying. The key of the castle is stuff it for four quarters. And and yeah, I mean and here's my prediction on the on the Gino He gets one Justin: He gets one Bad turn on turnover one bad one. Oh, so he gets like three but one bad Jake: No, if it's like he throws the Decker and Decker pops it in the air and then get the intercept I use Decker well throws it tomorrow throws it to Sud felt stud felt if those whoever the fuck and they just pop and someone and he like he like pops it and it's not literally a, he throws it by 10 people or throws it over and there's like three defenders sitting there and one of them just grabs it like Prady did when he just threw it and there's like nobody there but the defender and defender just went, oh, thank you, click, and I got it. He gets one and it's a very, very short leash because I still believe, I think what you need with Vic though, you need to give Vic time to get ready. You can't just say, Vic, come in here now. He's 34 years old. Even when he's come in for these little plays, he's done shit. And I think that's because he needs to kind of get into the motion. So that's why I was so surprised last week. They didn't just say, okay, Gino. And again, I don't think by putting in Vic, you're saying, Gino, you're done for the year. I think what you're saying is, dude, you're done for this game because you're having a tough game. Just go over there, put your head under the towel, like Cam Newton, and just sit there for a while. And Vic's gonna finish this game out, and we'll come back and talk to you next week. Because I think we all know that Geno, either he is, either the future of this game, or of the Jets, or we are a future of the entire NFL. Or we're drafting again. So, I think you can sit him, this whole thing, he'll be putting Vic, you won't be able to pull him out. No, I don't think even Vic wants to like, fully start. I don't even think he wants to. But I think he- I think you're wrong on that, but okay. But if he could come back and win a game, and be that guy... I think he'd be happy with it. So it's a short, short leash, and they should've done it last week. I think they could've won that game last week if they put in Vic. And again, I don't think it's Vic's gonna do anything more different. There's also that you bring in the guy and the offense gets excited. You can even see what happened with Nat Sims. Now the next week he came out and he tried to play the full game and he looked like a pile of poo. But like. It sometimes works just as a spark. Right? Do the spark. Justin: That's what Manish was asking Gino. Right. And Gino was just like, who does that? Jake: Well, it happens.

45:00 Jake: I've seen it happen. Nobody does that. They sat in McNabb. And the McNabb came back two weeks later and was amazing. I mean, it happens to real quarterbacks. Hey, they sat Tom Brady in the last game. I wrote out Garfolo or whatever the fucking the name is. So my Key to the Castle, play four quarters, four four quarters, and you gotta stay even on the turnover battle. You don't have to win it, you just have to stay even. Prediction, New York Jets score 25 points. The San Diego Chargers score 20 points. That's it for us. We are out. We'll be back next week. Should it be nice to do a Monday podcast at this point? That's it, Jake and Justin saying as always, Go Jets! You