Numbers Always Lie

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Onan, what is best in to To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and they'll hear the lamentation of their women.

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00:09 Justin: The best place to be is when expectations are high. Get used, it's always going to be that way. Get away! Jake: the the, get away! Get away! Get away! Welcome to Jack Kingdom podcast! Yes. The longest running New York Jets podcast on the planet Earth. My name is Jake and joining me for the hundred and holy shit time is Justin. So close. Hey Justin, how you doing? I'm awesome. It's been over a month. We haven't talked about the Jets. I've been watching football all month. Wrong football. Oh, whoops. Yeah. I, so my side story to this is, as we know on the podcast, that, uh, as Norton Firewall just jumps up and gives me crap on my damn frickin' Norton. Um. . I've been watching World Cup and I've always said I'm a one sport guy. Like I like one sport and that's it. I only root for one team. And as World Cup was starting it was all getting exciting and you know, boner time. Heartache, I don't want it in July. I want my heartache in December and I want my heartache in December. Justin: Like I always get my heartache. Well if you want heartache, you should be a Jets fan. Well, I have a job that you want to sign up for if you're signing up for heartache sign up to be you could be a you Jake: Could be a USA World Cup band for heartache too. Well, I guess because there are such a way nations are a little lower Well, but then they start winning and you feel like oh, yeah, you feel great. Just like anybody. Oh anyway moving right along We're back. We got some news. Well, let's just we're just gonna bullshit for next Justin: Middle July to middle or middle June to middle July is kind of a dead period for the NFL Cancer done Only thing that's happening right now are guys are getting suspended for shit that they shouldn't be doing Jake: Josh Gordon, well, you're in a fucking idiot. Yeah, what a dumb fuck DUI Justin: with a strike already b on him like why well in o disagree with the way that th that this all sort of shook out for him I feel like the what he's valued and worth on the open market. And the franchise tag. takes that ability away from him. It gives the it gives the team the ability to say, he should be paid like a tight end. And they're far let far let the franchise tag just to go back. You get paid the average salary of the top five players at that position.

03:04 Jake: for that year. Right. So which is pretty big. I mean, that's Justin: big. It's not the top. It's not the bottom five. No, no, no, it's saying you're you're we're franchising you're you're being paid like one of the top five guys at this position. Now the the hard part for Jimmy Graham is he's he's like not a traditional tight end. And in the sense of he splits out wide, he catches 100 balls, he catches 1215 touchdowns, right? He goes for over 1000 yards. He's the he's the main target in the offense. He's the number one and number two target for Drew Brees. And And no other team really plays the tight end position like that unless Gronkowski is out there for the Pats. So to have him be paid like other tight ends, no other team pays their tight end like a wide receiver. But if he were to be able to be paid what he's worth, which is really number one target. That's how you should look at it. Not really tight end or receiver or receiving on. It should be like, you're the number one target on the team, it's clear. You've been targeted the most. You have the most catches, you have the most yards, you have the most touchdowns, so on and so forth. We don't look the same when you're not on the field. I feel like you should be paid like a number one target, which to me means. Any pass catching eligible player out there that is a tight end or a receiver Jake: Bargaining agreement that his union but the franchise tag is what screwed him really but that he and his union agreed to that they set forward these rules, that the rules, it was meant to benefit them. Justin: You get paid like the top five. So that. Yeah, but no player really likes to get franchised. Jake: It really. No, because it doesn't give them guaranteed money. Well, it gives you one year. If you get hurt, you're right. You're screwed. I totally get you. But then they don't want everybody foot. Then let's just do free agents every year. It's a redraft league. But that's what it is. No, I'm saying for every- Freations move around like crazy. I know, and it disrupts teams. But that happens. Justin: Happens now, it's gonna happen. It's gonna continue to happen. Jake: But that's what I'm saying. This is a way to, A, to, the franchise tag is a way to A, to extend the conversation. Meaning it's free to see, I don't want you to go anywhere, dude. Good. But we can't deal with this right now. And this is what you see it happen. He will sign with the Saints. Like he's going to sign with the Saints. Justin: Yeah, I don't know if he's going to sign this year, though, because the Saints are getting him at what would seem like a bargain. Jake: No, they've already put a deal on the table that pays him the highest any tight end has ever been paid in the world. Boo hoo. He's paying nine million dollars a year. Boo hoo, but if I were him I'd say why am I not getting why why did he go? I love you are dude. Why are you a tight end because he's that's his position Well, then I then then you should have been running back and got paid triple or go be a quarterback running back

06:03 Justin: Or well, he'll be a quarterback. You know, well, then they get paid with what you are. No You should be paid based on production. Listen, I'm a fan in the stadium. Why are you yelling at me? But I should get paid like a quarterback. Why are you yelling at me? Why not? First of all, you pay to go into that stadium. I should get paid to be a quarterback. Because why not? I'm a fan. I'm a fan, but I think I'm a quarterback. You'd be the worst quarterback ever. I'd be the greatest quarterback ever. I've seen you throw. I've seen you run. It's not pretty. It's both awesome. It's not pretty at all. I feel like you should be paid based on production. I- Production. I- That's it. You produce like a top Jake: for the year, he's not complaining. This guy is so unique that he's complaining. But I'm sorry, those are the rules. You can't always just choose the rules because you don't Justin: like the rules. I mean, I kind of get his point though, like, like the way that they did it, it's like, is Wes Welker a tight end? No. Why not? He lines up. But he lines up the same way Jimmy Graham lines up. Jake: Did he go out? Did he go to training camp? Did he get drafted as a tight? Did he's at the position he put? Justin: That's not how the ruling came. The ruling didn't come like you're a tight end. It was like you line up within four yards of the tackle. Jake: One thing they said was because on the Twitter page, he said, I'm a tight end. Justin: That is Twitter bio said he's a tight end. Ridiculous. Who cares? Whatever. It's it's it's. Jimmy Graham, it's not the Jets, I don't care. Fuck Jimmy Graham. If you ask me, Jimmy Graham is a hell of a player and should be paid accordingly. And we beat him. Yeah, that's the way it works. Oh yeah, we beat the Saints. Jake: We did beat him. Yeah, he wasn't that good. Not bad. Our shitty secondary, Crow covered you bitch. Actually didn't, Antonio Allen covered him. Um, let me pull the names out of my ass and you know, I mean I'm in midseason form. All right. Uh, we have some news today besides Ginny Graham. Let's talk about, we're gonna talk about Gino and the rankings of ESPN. And we're gonna talk about the NFL top 100, Jets edition, whatever other off season news we have. You want to bring up Kiko Alonzo. I do. Justin: You don't even know who that is. I know he's a player. Jake: Camp. And then we'll talk about the Jet Kingdom fantasy run and drop some bombs on you. OK. You're going to love it. Justin: So Geno's 30 second, what does that mean? Jake: So ESPN did a poll, and we laid out a few. They did a poll. They called anonymous coaches and general managers. And they said, rank the starting 32. So only 32 quarterbacks. Yeah. Huh? One through five. And then keep going and basically get to 32. And then they'll put them into tiers of five. So like the best, whatever. And put them into tiers. Yeah. Well, Gino, out of the 32 top, the starting quarterbacks in the league, ranked 32nd. Justin: Wow. I know. It's not, it's probably not that wrong.

09:01 Justin: If I were to try to think about it. Jake Locker, Ryan Fitzpatrick, ahead of him. Well wait, wait, stop. Jake Locker's... Starter. better than Gino at this point in their careers. I mean, we injured Jake Locker in the game, but he was lighting us up if you don't, if you recall. Jake: Hey, dude, take them out. Justin: They crushed us. Who's in the group with Gino? Jake: Oh, in the ranking group. I don't know. Those five. Justin: I mean, it can't be five. Is it just the leftover two? I mean, I find it hard to believe that whoever started for Cleveland, whoever started for Oakland. Whoever started for Jacksonville, like whoever they put in as the starters for those three teams, the Vikings, that's four. I mean, he couldn't be better than those four guys at least. I mean, the Vikings started like three different three or four different guys last year. Tampa, Mike Glennon, better than Geno. Jake: I'm trying to find the actual list here. Just had the reaction to it. Hold on. Justin: I mean, I just listed like five teams that I feel like... Jake: Oh, it's an insider story. That's why I can't get to it. Justin: Well, all right. I mean, I guess it's... You can... I can certainly make the argument that he was the worst hacker. Jake: Oh, here we go. Tier one. Tom Brady. Justin: I don't need to hear tier one. It's depressing. Just give me the bottom. Jake: Tier four. Justin: Jump to tier four jumping tier four. Give me the bottom the bottom feeder. Give me the shit. Let me let me jump Jake: Why hates me? Justin: You know, you need to learn how to use a computer. Oh, I know how to use a computer Jake: I don't think you know how to use shit fucking site sucks You don't know shit tier four. Well, maybe tier four tier three. Oh, I think it's all being it's all being protected under whatever anyway Listen, here's what I want Gino to do with it. Gino, listen up buddy. Justin: Yep, yep, yep, yep. Jake: Take this, go pay, first of all, go pay for your insider uh, subscription. Please. Or steal someone else's. Or that. Then go in, print this out, frame it, put in your locker. And this, I want you to be motivated by this. You know what, Tom Brady still talks about being drafted in the sixth round. Justin: Right Aaron Rodgers still talks about sitting there in the green rate You know should be talking about sitting there in that green room and so now you got another one put this right next to Jake: Being drafted in the second round Behind you know EJ manual in the first round in your division and put this put this in your locker and let's make something of it right Justin: Because I could very easily make the argument though that he was the worst starting quarterback in the NFL The only thing I could give him in on the positive side of things is is that he did start every game So he had some durability. There's a lot of guys who don't make it through all 16 games, particularly at rookies and Secondly, he did play better in the last quarter of the season than he did Throughout the rest of the season so he actually showed a little bit of progress You can make the argument that he's you can make the area He's the worst and you could probably make the argument that he's like not the worst Jake: But he's still in the bottom ten well that he was given a box of rocks to to make that's my Sanchez argument

12:02 Justin: Yeah, I can't wait till Nick Foles gets hurt in week two and Sanchez starts for the Eagles in a real offense and starts rolling I'm picking Sanchez in my fantasy league. I'm picking whatever that week is. I'm picking whatever he starts Jake: I'm waiting for that first throw and a pick six the other way. Yeah, pick that defense. Pick six baby! Guaranteed touchdown that one. Guaranteed. Guaranteed. No, but I mean even as bad as- I still love me some Marc Sanchez. As mad as Sanchez ever had it. Last year's receiving cores were the worst you've ever seen in your life. Justin: The last two years have been really bad. Jake: I mean, they last year was particularly bad. Justin: They were literally the year before that. Yeah, I think was was actually worse. That was the year we didn't have homes. Homes got hurt. I think very early in the season. I don't think so. I can't see how homes not being on the field. Jake: Smith was a non factor in both years. Smith? Justin: Hill. Sorry, Hill. Yeah, so like Jeremy curly has been there. Yeah, you know off and on he gets hurt Yeah, he's pretty consistent player though in the slot I'm just trying to think who else we had on the team like two years ago was like Clyde Gates Pulling dudes out of the hat This will be the first year and since like since the year of you know homes Brelyn Edwards and country where they had three receivers, all competent, all weapons with Dustin Keller, like for receiving options out there that could be opening catch the ball when you throw it to him. Um, I think this will be the year where we actually see that we have that same, you know, maybe have four guys out there that are open. Jake: We went to the AFC championship. I just want to make sure it just seems like So we now have maybe a rookie tight end that got some, Justin: some special and big come don't forget big come. Jake: He's a load. We draft two wide receivers three three. We did draft three. Okay. All right. And then we have Hill. You think he's gone. I think Stephen Hill is a goner. Justin: I think this is his last chance. I think he's going to play out of his mind. You're going to see Decker is an outside. outside Y receiver one. I think David Nell's outside Y receiver two. I think Curly's in the slot. And I think two of those rookies and Jacoby Ford, that's six. How can you even like... How do you even have Stephen Hill on the roster? I just don't see it. Unless he's just, hey third year receiver is coming to their own and he just becomes a thing. But he was supposed to be like big and fast. And I know he's big, but he doesn't play big. And I know he's fast, but he doesn't play fast. So that doesn't work for me. And he drops the ball. So it's like he's just he's not good. Jake: But he can block. He can block, man. He can block. Doesn't do it for me. Well, also, I think the fact of having Chris Johnson back there as a receiving, Justin: you know, it's definitely most weapons the Jets have had in three seasons.

15:03 Justin: It did a very nice job of retooling the weaponry. Jake: And even the weapons behind the weapons, even because like, so everybody thinks, you know, Smith starter, unless he totally fucks up something terrible. But like, if he starts to really blow chunks and we find out that, or we know that he's the thing that's keeping us from either winning or whatever, there's a guy behind him who's perfectly good quarterback. Not a bad option. Justin: Not, not a bad option to have Michael Vick as your backup. Absolutely be a starter. and could still be our starter could definitely start on other teams could start on our team if Geno's really the worst starting quarterback in the league. All right let's talk about the top Jake: NFL top 100 Jets edition. So I just want to say what without looking yeah what is the NFL top 100? Justin: It's the top 100 players of the previous season only voted by Jake: the players. Okay. Right? Here's the top 100 players of 2014. Justin: But based on like one season, right? Based on last year's season. Just last year's one season. So not like history or I'm sure that comes into play though with certain players. So but let me just Jake: let me throw out a name. Go ahead. So where do you think uh... I've watched a little bit of it. Justin: So I'm Mary's Thomas ranked Like the actual number just like a range. Yeah. Yeah. Um, in the thirties or forties. I think so. That's a guess. I have no idea. Jake: Where do you think like, like someone like, uh, I don't know, like a tight end, like just a no name tight end. Charles Clay from, from Miami. What do you think you ranked? You made the list. Justin: I wouldn't even think he'd be on the list. Charles Clay made the list and Demerus Thomas didn't. No, Damaris Thomas is definitely on the list. You're definitely not looking at this, correct? Jake: Oh, you're right. He didn't make the list. God, who was the guy who didn't make the list? Justin: Damaris Thomas was number 49. Yeah. Jake: Damn it. Justin: So there goes that. Yeah, there goes that. Okay, good job. Way to lead with that. Charles Clay was 89. Interesting. Charles Clay, 89. Interesting. Jake: How does Aaron Rodgers turn into a member of Kevin? Justin: Well that was my problem. Jake: Alright, let's talk the top ten. And tell me what you mean. Justin: You actually have this wrong. You said to Marius Thomas, I think you might have meant Julius Thomas. Julius Thomas! From the same team in the Broncos, same last name, same position, tight end. Julius Thomas. Jake: Definitely better than Charles Clay. I'm sorry that was so I'm gonna help you out here I don't like doing that, but I will but that's what I was thinking Justin: I was comparing to that ends so so that yes, that's fucked up like it's totally for Mary's Tom or not now I just did it Julius. I'll be out. It's Julius. Thank you. It's had a great year, right and a breakout year Charles Clay is on the Dolphins. And while he's a very versatile player, he can run the ball. He can play tight end. He can play fullback.

18:00 Justin: He's a good player. I could see why he might be at the bottom of the list, right in the 80s or the 90s, whatever. But he shouldn't be on there ahead of Julius Thomas at the same position. And if you go to, like, I think you can sort this thing by many different ways. So if you go to tight ends, there's only five. And. If you were to ask me, Julius Thomas was better than four of these guys. Jake: And wasn't one of these guys mostly hurt? Justin: Like, Grump's 41, he was hurt like the whole year. The whole season. Okay fine, he's still a great player. Jake: But that's what I'm trying to think. Vernon Davis's 51. That's why I don't understand what they're saying. You're saying it's the best of... I'm almost gonna spill my beer. Don't spill your beer. I don't know why you're giving me a thing to put it on with glass. Justin: Because I didn't want the sound. Oh. Jake: The sound. That sound. What? That was the whole purpose. What are you doing? That sound. Why are you doing it? You're annoying everybody. All right. So what I don't understand is if this is the best players of 2013 Right ranked in 2014 right guys who are like hurt all season on this list Justin: Well, I think that they get the benefit I make it the year that he didn't guess and Dorell Rivas also made it the year Jake: Was out cuz he's still like the best So I don't think this is what they did last year. I think this is just what they feel like these guys could have been or would have been and Justin: they get penalized a little because Gronk would have been higher than 41. Jake: Yeah, probably. Justin: It would have been closer to where Jimmy Graham is at 10. But Charles Clay, number 89. That's absurd. That's crazy. For Jason Witten, Charles Clay, Vernon Davis, Gronkowski to be on this list and Julius Thomas to not be. I know Vernon Davis had a very good year, but He had a better year than Gronk and he's 10 spots below him. Like Gronk barely played. He didn't play. He played like what, three games, four games, five games at the most? So let's walk through top 10. So top 10. 10 down. 10 Jimmy Graham. 10 is Jimmy Graham. 9. Jake: We got you not a great year for him last year. He was hurt. He had a pretty good year. Justin: I think he missed one game and had some others where he's hurt, but he still had a good season. Jake: He had a good season, but it was not his best. Justin: AJ Green is the only one in this top 10 that I would slide out of it because I think there's a guy sitting outside the top 10 that belongs in the top 10. JJ Watt? Aaron Rodgers please. Aaron Rodgers. Thank you. Jake: Even Russell Wilson. Again, if you're going on performance of someone who laughs here. Luke Peekley. I mean it's very hard. Justin: You look at 11 through 20. And you're like well Josh Gordon he missed two games and led the league in receiving. Hmm, Earl Thomas. Hmm, he was like the best player on Seattle's defense regardless of what Richard Sherman would say about himself. Oh, Luke Kuechly, he's a fucking monster linebacker. But again, you can only have 10 in the top 10. So keep going backwards. AJ Green 9, Jamal Charles 8, fantastic season. Richard Sherman 7, can't really argue that he's the best corner in the league at the moment. Drew Brees 6 another great season for Drew Brees LaShawn McCoy five I would have put him ahead of Adrian Peterson at four because I think he had a better year and He should have been the top running back Tom Brady three

21:03 Justin: Didn't have anything to work with and still won a hell of a lot of games made to the FC championship game So you got to give him credit there Calvin Johnson to he's just a monster and a machine and Just like the best at his position, but statistically wasn't the best Statistically wasn't but I think that comes from because he's so darn good. He gets like triple teamed. Okay And still beats it and Peyton Manning. I think deservedly so number one that I mean that that's easy Jake: Alright, so let's talk about the about the Jets version the Jets edition. We had two guys Justin: Two guys. I think last year we had one. One. So I don't know can you go back a year? I think you can go to like the 2013 edition of any way. Anyway. Anyway if I try but I'm not gonna try. I'm not trying either. Coming in 94 off a rookie season rookie defensive player of the year. Yes. Sheldon Richardson Sheldon Richardson and this is why and this isn't the only reason why but it's part of the reason why I Right? Very nice... Represented, right? Kiko Alonzo! Also a rookie, Bill's linebacker comes it at 84. Now Sheldon Richardson is the defensive player rookie, the defensive rookie of the year, right? Why is he not ahead of Kiko Alonzo? Now that's only one reason why I asked you right. Kiko Alonzo down by all, by all 84 by all, you know, You know he had a great year. Hey, he's voted 84 and he was it was him and rich and and Sheldon for the for the Rookie of the year and you know our guy beat him out Sheldon and secondly He's out for the year And that's big news for the Jets cuz he was like he's a big-time up-and-coming player if you were to take one player Jake: Yeah from the NFL to start your new franchise with Starting your franchise tomorrow one player no money no money involved. No money involved. You could take any one player You're gonna start your franchise tomorrow with Justin: player who would be. Well first of all, immediately two players popped in my head. Okay, position wise it's quarterback. Two guys immediately popped in my Jake: head. Alright, I think there's probably two that I would think so too. There's Justin: probably one that I would... And one I'm putting ahead of the other. So coming in second place, Russell Wilson. Really? Coming in first, Aaron Rogers. I am starting my team with Aaron Rodgers because I think I got 10 years of Aaron Rodgers and you wouldn't start your team with someone like

24:05 Jake: Andrew Luck? Justin: Because you have another 14 years of Andrew Luck? No, no, because I think I'm not sure that Andrew Luck will hit the highs that That R.R. Rodgers is fucking unbelievable. Yeah, he's good. He's great the Jake: . and sort of like, I feel like there's so much upside for this guy, his academic. I just, a guy who's just not, I want to say underrated, but where's his Justin: He's just a winner. He just wins a lot of games even in the games. He's losing he plays close and if not for Super Bowl We could argue that we a We could argue that I think Kaepernick has more weapons around him than then Russell Wilson did in Seattle Go ahead and name Seattle Frank or go ahead and name Seattle. Go out of the San Francisco's defense. Go to Seattle. San Francisco's defense. They're right there. The Seattle. Clearly the best. They're clearly the best two teams in the league last year, I think. Like that was the Super Bowl when they played in the NFC Championship game. So you can't say either quarterback wasn't surrounded by a great team. Now, to me, Russell Wilson has. It. It. Whatever that is, that it. He's got it. He's- Jake: What did he do the first year, Russell Wilson? He made the playoffs. I did. Justin: Starting as a rookie. Colin Kaepernick didn't start as a rookie. No, I know. He sat the whole year. And didn't even come in in the second year until Alex Smith got hurt. No, I know. I had a good guy. Russell Wilson started right off the bat and won a playoff game on the road. in his rookie season. And then the second year comes back in that division with the Niners, wins the division, gets the home field throughout and just takes care of business. Jake: So you're literally starting your franchise with Russell Wilson? No. Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers. Justin: But Russell Wilson is my second choice. I think he's got like that leadership it factor. I think that can't be... Jake: As a personality, I think he's probably a better personality. As the Intangibles...

27:00 Jake: Think Colin Kaepernick has a shit ton of intangibles. No, I think you mean the opposite That's no, I mean just physical skill. That's tangible. Okay, I want tangible. That's tangible stuff. He's taller Justin: He has probably a better arm. He might be faster, but Russell Wilson, I think is a better quarterback Jake: I feel like Russell Wilson has Tom Brady's head in his mind. I feel like he's Tom Brady smart. I mean Peyton's 38. He's old. Brady's old too. Breeze is pretty old too. Breeze is 36. Justin: No, the young pups are like Aaron Rodgers is the only one that's kind of that guy in the middle. Like who else is that guy in the middle between the guys we just named and then like the Kong Kaepernick's, the Cam Newton's, the Andrew Wilson's, the Russell Like who's the middle? There's no middle there. Jake: Okay, two a question. How did Nick Foles make this list? He had a great year. No he didn't. He had a great year. He had a great year. He had a great when he started. Well, he started a lot of games. Not the entire year. Yeah, but he had a great season. But okay, fine. He's number 70. How did Joe Flacco get to 50? Justin: I have no idea. I really can't explain that. Jake: So Fo Fols gets there because he had a great year. But then Flacco gets there to hire because he had a great what? Justin: I can't explain it, but I'll say Nick Fols played in... It looks like he played in all but two. So he basically... Played the whole year. Well, he was beat out in training camp by mr. Vic. That's right, but then Vic got hurt and then that was that Jake: All right. All right, let's who's the other guy? Justin: Mo Wilke, of course Number 42, that's very strong a very strong represent representing right there represent Very very striking. I mean, I guess he's listed as a you know, a defensive lineman So if we were to look at defensive lineman 4, 5, 6, he's the 7th best defensive lineman according to this list. Jake: Well the Jets have an amazing defense. Justin: Ahead of him are two linemen from the Bills though, Kyle Williams and Mario Williams, who I don't think Mario Williams had such a fantastic season. and I think he had like one or two good games and I or a, the. ket Kyle Wilson by all accounts is a very good player. Give me Mo Wilk any day though. It's because I watch Mo Wilk play every day. I know how I know how good he is. Yeah. Like guys who don't people don't watch The Jets don't understand how disruptive he is well, it's cuz they're also losing a game. So it's like

30:16 Justin: You know, if they're winning eight games. The Jets, they play at 3-4, they only start 3 defensive linemen and two of them are in the top 100 of the NFL's players. So you gotta like that, right? That's nice. We knew we had a strong defensive line. This just kind of cements it. And these guys are young. You know, this is now a second year and a fourth year player are both in the top 100. That's really nice. Mo-Woke's gonna get paid. We should pay him this year. Should just pay him, we got all the room. Right. I got a question for you. It's not on the agenda. I's going off. I'm going off. Off season, I guess it's kind of an off season. Andre Johnson doesn't want to play for Houston. Do you think that there's a way for us to pry him away from there? and would you want to? He's, he's 33, he's old, but he's still very good and still very productive. and So only some stats. I'm gonna have to look them up because I don't have them in front of me preclude. But I will do that right this second. Oh, thank you Google. You're so good. Jake: So, um, not a volume touchdown guy. Justin: the good receiver like gets a lot of catches a lot of yards over the course of his career so he paid a decent amount of money he's 33 he's 33 today is his birthday what if you could get him like a fifth round pick Like when we got San Antonio, it was like he's coming off a Super Bowl MVP season. He's an up and coming receiver, but he's disgruntled. But he's disgruntled. They don't want him. And we got him for like a pick. Randy Moss got traded to the New England Patriots for a fourth round pick. Randy Moss got traded to the New England Patriots for a fourth round pick. Jake: three I think that's where I stop.

33:06 Justin: I think, I the Yeah, and Andre you have threats not bad end with Chris Johnson in the backfield. It should be there either They're either trying to stop that passing game and he's gonna gash him or they're gonna try and stop that That one two of him and ivory and you're gonna be able to throw Jake: Does feel like a little bit they R did that it would it's not it's not a very edgic thing to do Justin: No, it isn't it feels Jake: You know, like even with Chris Johnson, that was just a wait. Like, it was a wait, and wait, and wait. Justin: This is kind of a wait. No. You're waiting it out, because he's not going to play for the tax. Jake: Oh, I don't believe that. Justin: He already lost a million dollars. Jake: He didn't show up to... Justin: Yep. And they're not giving it back to him. So now he's like, fuck it, I'm not playing for you. Guys made a ton of money. I'm sure he, I mean money's money, but yeah. Um, it's gonna happen. Jake: It is gonna happen. Well, we'll have another podcast before training camp starts. Justin: Um, I would think we should like, as training camp starts. Jake: Well, we're actually gonna go to one. I think I put it on your account. Did I invite you to it? No, you didn't. Thanks though. Uh, there's a, they're doing Hofstra again this week. Yeah, Family Night. Family Night's in Hofstra. Although they did do Family Night in... in Jersey in the jersey is really nice. That was when I got to go in the field afterwards just hang out Yeah, I think we need to go so I it's in our calendar. It's what's in my calendar. I'll invite you invite me, please Battles we'll talk about what we expect like what we want to see preseason games all that kind of stuff I mean, obviously there's a lot of a list of things that we think are going to happen in training camp. Right. Camp predictions. Yeah. Sounds good. But. You're yelling. It is. Justin: You're yelling. You're yelling into the microphone. So what? Okay. So anyway, we have the third. I'm crossing my fingers. I don't know what you're even going to give out as rules here. So let's stop. You've written things down, but I don't think whatever you've written down even matters. Jake: So here's the deal. This is under 12 teams a more difficult task with people who actually came back and tried to dethrone tried but failed I dominated and won the league so current

36:00 Jake: champion Jake and we went for a 12 team league we do an ESPN one we have a couple rules you have to have you have to have a jet on your on your roster no Justin: no it's more than that you have to have a jet starting every week. A jet doesn't have to just be on your roster. They must actually play. Jake: And then you can't start any player who is playing the jets that week. Justin: Correct. So if you have Tom Brady as your quarterback, get ready to not use him for two weeks out of the season. Jake: So every year we say everybody can submit to it and to get in. So we're opening submissions now. First of all, we need to talk about spots. Justin: Right, spots. Because... How many spots are there? Jake: Well, if we're doing a 12-team week... Justin: We are not growing beyond a 12-team week. Hold on, I have an offer for you. I don't like the offer. No. Decimals for 14. No. You know I want decimals and it should be decimals. For 14. But he's stupid decimals you end up starting Lex Hilliard at running back. It's dumb No, all right Decimal no 12 team leagues will deal with the ties It's part of the game decimals part of the game Jake: But why would you not do 12 because we only have eight spots available How's that so why one to winner from last year and the winner from the checking to pick them? Justin: Alright, we've eight spots everyone fight for them. I Fight I'd rather have to send better emails. I'm gonna have ten spot. No eight twelve is the number It's the right number You see how slim it gets when you have to you have to start these jets every week and it's like so what? It's miserable. It's not miserable It's bad. I mean, I was like, all right, let me see. Who should I start this week? Tommy Bohannon at running back? It's just awful. Like it doesn't work out. It's not good. No, it's not. Jake: It just makes the draft even more interesting. It's not good. Justin: Teams. That means literally it's not good. It needs to be 12. 12 is the 12 is the number. Jake: All right. So we played on ESPN. We have a bunch of things that we asked last year. Um, do you want to just keep the same things? I think they went, I think that turned out well. Justin: Alright. I like the emails we got last year. Jake: Alright, so here's the deal. If you want to be looking for eight more players for our 14 team. And for like females too. Justin: We never, we never, so many dudes. Seriously? Jake: Can we get a female in the league? Um, so we got eight good players. Yes. It doesn't matter if you played fantasy football before in the world, but that Justin: the

39:16 Justin: world of You know, the Lions, because we don't play the Lions, but you don't have Calvin Johnson in your lineup, or Matt Stafford, or Bush, or whomever is, lot of Lions to play this year. Jake: Right, so there's the deal. So we really, it's not about how good you are or whatever. You must, but you must submit a email to podcast at jetkingham.com. Justin: We checked that that's your department damn it. I don't think it does I mean, I still don't know my, I know my jetting doesn't work. I think I switched some domain stuff around. Yeah, you did Jake: Anyway, it'll work Just I'll have to check it before I post send it. I'm gonna send one to that right now All right, send it from another account. Yeah, so here's the thing you need to send a picture Right if it has some sort of you and some sort of Jets paraphernalia or hugging a big doll of Justin that's better You have to tell us what your team name was gonna be. It's gotta be original, fun, interesting and why We'd like to hear about your best last time we said that your best Jets Road experience Yes, we should change that up just best Jets experience, maybe And both is also both is very helpful. But in the next question, it's going to be tough because then you have to pick one of us. Now, I'm known as the podcaster because Justin for years, since we were doing this for going on seven years, right? Eight. 2007. Yeah, a long time. Seven years that he claims that he's a broadcaster and that's why he's not a fan. I'm the broadcaster. I'm a podcast. I think of things. You need to pick one of us as the person you like the most. That's it. Or is better or whatever you want. Justin: Well, however you want to judge. Jake: Or you all you have to do is pick who won the league. Justin: Well, all you have to do is think about if you could listen to a podcast

42:00 Justin: That's right. An actual true fan or someone who just kind of pays attention once in a while. Someone who knows his shit or some idiot who just yells into a microphone. Jake: Well, that's the best people in the world. I'm Adam Schein. Alright, so send a picture. What your team name, your best, why you're a Jets fan, sorry. Why you should be in the league and pick one of us, broadcast or podcast. We swear we won't hold it against you. I will hold it against you. Justin: He will, I won't. Jake: Well, then there you go. Now you know who to pick. the for the season starts where we will then go and we'll pick every game and that's the best episode of the year because I hope springs eternal until then Jake and Justin saying, let's go Jets.