Vick Tick Tock

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Onan, what is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women?

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00:09 Justin: The best place to be is when expectations are high. Get used to it. It's always going to be that way. Jake: Welcome to Jack Koehnen Podcast, the longest running near test test ever. I'm Jake and joining me for 232, 32, 30 times in a row, Justin Booshmaster. I don't know why I just made that up. Justin was benched. He's not just I have benched you for performance reasons, so we're back after a Hellish week as a jet fan That's we gather or weeks as jet fans the season tanked the Geno experiment completely over the front office on As thin ice as you can imagine as you can imagine which we will get into so we'll talk about the Jess versus the bills Well listen, yeah, we have a plan. Ha! Fuck you and your plan. I've been a part of this plan. Yeah. We'll talk No plan. What this podcast? Yeah. The plan is to talk about shit. So let's get to the dead. This is Phil's game. Best part of the game. The tailgate. Yeah. We know it was good. Brought your pops. You know, the second quarter wasn't all that shabby. You know, it's not our door. Oh, it's a box. I'll take that. Thank you. All right. Oh, let's see what this is. Someone's gonna be happy. All right, let's move on so the second quarter Put it down and No, you're staring at it Give me that box. Oh my god. I can't believe you're that you're bench moving moving on on the floor. Yeah, don't care Moving on to the bells wrong to the bells No, Ronda's the chief. So, tailgate was good. When the game, Gino starts. Showed why he should not be starting through three picks in the first quarter. I was screaming for them to put in Vic after the second pick. I think they wait. I think they were one pick off. They were one pick too late. Yeah, they should have probably put him in the second pick. Because he just looked completely off. Overthrowing guys. Throwing had more picks than completions

03:00 Jake: 4 series and more picks than completions. Think about playing 4 offensive series in one quarter. And like going backwards. So then they put in Vic and he had a little bit of a spark but then he continued to turn the ball over. Fumbling, got sacked four times. He had a little giddy up in the second quarter like when he got into it. They actually made it a game. It was halftime. We were down seven. We were like, wow. We turned the ball over like three, four times. Right. All right. Only down seven We can win this game. Yep, and then everything went to shit. This also was the the Percy Harvins Welcome to the welcome to the jets. Here's what we do. This is what we do is how we live how we roll Enjoy so thoughts on the game One thought I had is why was the game plan so pass heavy when this guy was struggling so quick out the gate? Why not just run the crap out of it? And even if you're going three and outs like just run and see and keep, like he after the second pick too, maybe the first pick you're like okay maybe it's just one but after the second one you're like this guy is clearly not in this game he's like everybody could tell what the 80,000 people in the stadium The end. could go, yeah, that guy's not here. He's like he's somewhere else. First throw is like, yeah. So why not just run? Do you? I was surprised it just kept trying to pass. They were able to run on the bills, but they well, but they kept trying to pass like they could have run and not run and then just we did end up running for a lot of yards. But I think a lot of that is Michael Vicks doing not like not anything else, really. Michael Vick by himself ran for 70 yards, right? That's what he does. That's what he does. Everybody else really had crap days. I mean, I read 43 Harvin with 28 Powell 28 and Chris Johnson Chris Johnson who I'd be surprised if he doesn't just quit Or just get cut he's just he's just collecting them checks right now. Yes, we should just quit. We should quit on him They're not using them. He's not out. Yes. Yeah ain't winning games when Harvin basically took his spot Everything we thought we were gonna get from Chris Johnson. We didn't right so now we have Harvin to do um and This was a bad Punt week to like my quickly showed up that the problem No, but all the things was like quickly is also not looking very good I'm telling you special teams has been this the disaster of this team between the puns you didn't like that play that they ran god the problem with that play was uh everybody in the stadium could see it yeah the problem was that you saw it was coming before it happened right you want to say after and go look oh look it happened and oh you know there but you everybody saw it You saw it you're like there's another guy sitting over there then and tell me this explain to me what happened

06:01 Jake: There's one on either side right one guy then drops down right he's hiding He's hiding in front of 80,000 are all green He was blending into the green in the end zone. That was the strategy Problem was the kick went nine yards deep into the end zone. You got to know when to fold them, right? You don't take that. We're not gonna do this. I will say Harbin took every single one out. He was like, I'm running. I'm running. They brought me here to run. They told him. That's why Rex took the ball. You know Rex, he's a maniac. He's like, I'm taking the ball because Percy's gotta run the ball. He's gonna run. He did, he looked, that was the best return game we've had. since Brad Smith. I mean, he just was good. Like, you could see, and he's, and he looks like he's one or two steps away from breaking. He's more in the Leon Washington, Chad Morton mold of returner where he's fast. And if he just makes one cut in a hole and he just gets past that one last guy, he's like, it's him and the kicker. That's it. And he'll hit, he'll knock the kick out. I mean, our other guys just run into people. So... He wants a pal. He's like, who's batching that guy? We legitimately thought we could win this game. Oh yeah. We were legitimately thinking that Geno coming off of two... Ugh. Okay games. So let's talk, let's do a little Geno talk. Alright, so go give me the full game. Geno. Has to be right double Gino fine has to be seasons are seasons over and Gino Let's talk a little bit about Gino So I asked you this during the middle of the game because I'm apt to do that. It's kind of being a dick, right? And I said so have you seen enough? Like cuz we had this I said no No you did, no you did. At the time you said yes. You said I've seen enough. I said no I hadn't I think last week. No when we talked about it but at the game I then asked have you seen enough. Oh then I said yeah. Yeah you said I'm done. I'm done. So are you done? Are you off? Absolutely no use. This guy is not gonna be a professional football player. He's a backup. He might not even. No he's a backup. Good enough to be a backup. He's a backup. A guy who started like 20 plus NFL games and has won some of them is a backup. He's a second round pick. He's a backup quarterback. I have no problem with him. Helen Clements. Yeah. If, if, if the Jets were to bring in another guy, guy to start as a starting caliber quarterback. Next season because my vix likely not gonna be Vic unless he like plays like crazy and then it's like wow like Vic Oh, okay. Maybe we can roll with this, but otherwise it's it's draft. We're gonna be in the top of the draft Yep, you know you got a bunch of guys coming out who knows where they're gonna shake out cuz You know is gonna be the first overall pick and like Teddy Bridgewater is gonna be the first overall pick But it's still way too early right got mariota and Yes, he's the big name stand this other one, right? I don't know if he's gonna come out or not I don't know if he's yeah, I think he was red shirted. So yeah him But I don't actually don't like him. He's one of all the issues, right? It's one with a lot of issues and if you watch him play

09:04 Jake: I'm a big Notre Dame fan. So I watch them. He throws off his back foot a ton. Really? It's just not appealing to it It's like oh, I don't think he's gonna be that good actually No, I I I want Well, whatever. We're talking about quarterbacks for 2015 right now. Yeah, I think Gino's a backup. He's a backup. That's what he is. Second round pick is a backup. I mean, here's the thing. The good news on him is he's a second round pick. Yeah, he's not Mark Santos. And when we drafted him, right, he's not even because now we, because Mark Santos was drafted before the rookie weight scale. But... When we drafted in this the thing I was more than happy to say over and over on the podcast was if this guy doesn't work out You can cut bait on him and no one says anything because he's a second round pick in a rookie wage scale We already and two picks ahead of him which are both good So it's like well, okay one and a half one is so good that the other one one is so good The other hasn't proven it, right? Which one, so we got Sheldon registered for the Revas trade. Miliner was our actual Jets pick, number nine overall. like. in years past when you got a guy in the first or second round, like EJ Manu even, bills were happy to get away from him. Like they basically benched him, said we're never going back to him. He's, I mean, maybe- He's not good. Right, he's a first round pick, but under the rookie wayscale, it's okay. You can give up on a guy. a year and a half in. So let's just not make the mistake of not giving up on him and let's just move on, move on. Moving along, moving right along. And picking a guy next year, I think we should do both. I think we should pick up a guy and get a free agent. Well we did with the Vic thing this year. No, no, no, not a guy. You don't get free agents in their prime. Really, not anymore? Tell me who the last quarterback to move in their prime and you can't count Peyton Manning. Peyton Manning. Not quite prime, even though his prime was quite extended. Don't think that was a free agent thing. It was a trade. Trade. Okay. That's a trade. Alright. They gave up lots. I mean, they gave up like, you know, two first round picks or a first and a third or something crazy. So, let's just play fun happy times. Okay. on guys that could be traded, meaning they're on a team that they're not the best or that they might need more things and you could get a quarterback from another team. It's not one of the ones that are locked in. Not a locked in guy? Yeah. Not a lot of these guys for now. I know, I'm trying to, I'm trying to. I mean, who are you thinking of? I'm thinking of a, this is crazy sauce, but don't get them cheap. Ooh, locker? He's not is he not not good ever okay. He's a not not healthy guy or not healthy guy. He's ever stayed how RG 3

12:06 Jake: They're not giving up on him. I think they're gonna give up on him. I do not Case in point Kirk cousin sucks They're not giving up on how he didn't miss only his third year You want to trade for RG 3 you got to give up a lot of stuff to get him There's no one out there free agent wise you can just go get you want is like a guy who's like I Don't know if you believe like you said Jake Locker if you think maybe Sam Bradford Is a guy who's gonna make it like well this guy's just gotten hurt right, but he could maybe be good He was number one over right that's a possibility. He'd be like a Carson Palmer type right right or he just kind of comes back, resurrects himself. I, I'm struggling to think of other guys out there that, that would fit this mold. Yeah. I'm thinking of like, I'm thinking of like top picks, but like, well, you're talking about like Blaine Gabbard. No, or ponders. Brandon Weeden's. Yeah, I don't want that. Christian ponders. Mark Sanchez is who you're talking about quite literally. That's who you're talking about top picks who kind of washed out or now backups and could maybe come back to like where their original evaluation was That's what you're you're you're Describing Marc Sanchez none of these other guys have had the success that he had. That's true Give me this no one else. I want a show back. Yeah, whatever You know, we'd be better off with him Well, we said that last year and I hear two I said last year if he had started the if he had started last year We would have won one or two more games and this year we would not be one in seven We would probably not be one. It's no he's not nearly as bad as Gino Smith. They miss they they fucked that up They really did they mess that up. Is it just by putting him in in the fourth quarter to get hurt? But I think they messed him up by by doing what they did and it's it coming in and being like I want my own quarterback If you wanted your own quarterback, you should have gotten your own coach first. Well, so here's the thing Let's talk about the idzic Rex Ryan. Good segue. Good segue Let's talk about the Rex Ryan idzic thing so Obviously, hot seat Rex is on the hot seat. Pretty much everybody's saying that there's very little chance. They were saying this in the middle last season too. His balls are singed. Right. What are your thoughts? What would you do if you were Woody Johnson? Put yourself in Woody Johnson's position. What are you gonna do? I am gonna fire them both this season. Yeah, unless Izzik has some pictures of me naked. Well, no, unless like, you know, the way he comes off to the media is just and through the media to us is very off putting.

15:01 Jake: But well, so we can talk a little bit about this presser his half. Well, let me answer my question and we'll get to that. very off-putting the way that he sort of addresses us through a media If he has a different type of relationship behind closed doors with Woody where he's literally laid it out and And he's you know, they're never gonna say to the fans We're gonna suck right, but unless he said to Woody and what he's agreed like hey Woody The guy before me got me in a real pickle with this salary cap situation. Three years ago. It's going to take me a good couple years to get out of this. I'm going to take a couple little gambles here and there, see if we can't snag a quarterback but I'm not going to pay him a lot of money. Whatever, but years one through three, we might be one of the worst teams in the league. Are you on board? And Woody says... Okay, I buy in right on here's why we're gonna right clean up the cap space We're gonna go get the right players for this team. We're gonna put together the right manner and we're gonna get I don't think Rex Has a chance. I don't think he has a chance. I don't know if that's fair But I don't think he has a chance. Someone has to go down and I feel like it's a I feel like Woody gives Izuk his chance to hire his coach. Right. Which which so here's my take on it, which is that I think either fire or keep both, because I don't honestly think that there's all sorts of issues with Rex Ryan. You know, is he actually a head coach or is he really just a defensive coach like who then? who pretends to be a head coach. There could be a major argument that he is not enough of a head coach to be a head coach. He's only a guy who understands one side of the ball and the other side he's more than happy to have someone else do and kind of admits it. He's extremely passionate what I love. I love that he's, I love his kind of swagger. I love the swagger that kind of seeps its way into the team that we have this kind of like. no bullshit swagger. But, you know, from the coaching decisions, have, you know, is he, I don't know if he was talking with you or someone else, it's like, is he a coach who could take a young quarterback and coach him up? When you look at Rex Ryan, do you see someone who can coach up somebody and you go, no, it's not his thing. No, I want Harbaugh. I want the Niners to fall apart and I want me some Harbaugh. Or someone else so well, I already said well, that's that's not gonna happen why Tell me why I think because I think the rumors already wants to go back to college I think he's fired if he doesn't make with the playoffs. Yeah Cuz they don't get along but here's the thing. The other thing is show me the the talent that's been put into the offense around Rex Ryan and you look at other coaches and the winning coaches the ones they always have a guy or two guys who are their offensive guy. They have a quarterback who's a talented

18:01 Jake: whatever quarterback who doesn't, you know, even if he's a Alex Smith type of quarterback, he's still not a guy who loses games for you. Rex has kind of had, even back in the Sanchez, the best of Sanchez, he's kind of had the quarterback that could easily lose the game for you. He's not the guy who's going to win it for you. Really Sanchez wasn't that guy once or twice. He was really the guy who like could play the game But then also could lose the game He through five picks in a game and he could lose the game totally Totally lose it right and San and Sancho to Geno is the same thing. It's like Geno's not worse. Oh, yeah, it is worse So I kind of feel like, well, you've never really given him a shot to have a pop, a proper offense. Well, you could also put that on him where you've never put together a proper offense. But he's not the one. He's not the one actually drafting. Well, from the, from the general managers. Yeah, but he's the one coaching. So right. But so if you look at, well, if you look at what the Ravens did two years ago, did they really have that much talent on offense? Really? When we think about it. Flacco that good No, and Quan Bolden was their number one receiver, right? I don't know who their number a young Tori Smith. All he did was run down the sideline. Yep We never all that much talent on that team He's had a great offensive line. He said good running backs the whole way through Yep, he's had at times. He's had good receiving core with you know, Kachri Homes and good at Edwards. It's good above average. It's it's better than what I just described with Baltimore Right and they've had good running backs So and the good o-line so I don't but on a scale of one to ten right now I hate to say it's but you rather have where do you rather have Joe Flacco on your team behind this? Don't you think this team could be a four and five team? Or a five-game team right now if Joe Facko was on the team. I do. Because Joe Facko is going to throw three picks in the first quarter. No. I mean, he'll have some stinkers here and there, but he's a winning quarterback. He's a winning quarterback. So anyway, I just think you'd be fireboating. Because here's what I don't want to have happen. I don't have you say that so many who in their lifetimes like Boston and they've never seen like the Cubs people. Oh yes. I am literally taking us and putting that us in that situation. you We were two games away, getting into the Super Bowl.

21:02 Jake: That's as close as you get. Yeah, not quite. It is actually as close as you get. Well, not really. You have to win both of those games to actually win the Super Bowl. Right, but that's it. It's winning. I was one half away in the... Getting to the Super Bowl. Yeah, oh, I'm not... Listen, at this point, getting the Super Bowl is good enough. Winning another Super Bowl, another thing. I always say, just get me to a Super Bowl, but I know if they get to a Super Bowl and they lose, it's going to be... Here's the thing. If they fire Rex and then they say, okay, Izzik, it's all you, dude. And he does. I mean, he is literally the opposite Rex. Like Rex is all the personnel in the world and Izzik. So maybe that's the thing. Maybe Izzik has all the brains because he has absolutely no personality and he comes across terribly. Like I watched that entire presser. and do you have a plan? There's a plan in place for now and the future. You sure is for now and the fight questions. What's up with now motherfucker? Well, the there's a plan in place for now. A good one for now for now and the future which is all the saying is hey wink wink. I knew we were gonna suck now, but in the future, they fire rex. I buy that though, by the way. I'm sorry. They fire rex. They bring in, you buy that there's S a plan? I H buy that there's a future. Well, there is a future. They've got tons of cash space. They're gonna have a really good draft pick. So I buy the fact that they're gonna have an influx of talent. If they can get them to come to the 1 in 15 jets. Still in New York. I'll see you next week. Yeah a lot of people, I hate to say that, but we got Peyton because of that because he didn't want to come and be in the center of life. That's because he's a pussy. Well he didn't want to be a pussy, but he's a pussy-putter of one. Brother wanted to. Well he didn't want to go to San Diego. He wanted to go to New York. He's what he wanted to. So here's the thing, I'm worried that basically that gives Isaac another two year stint. Because no matter what he does next year with a brand new head coach. If next year we don't win a game, right, with the brand new head coach,

24:14 Jake: Not bad this year's draft. Well now you know in the pile of shit category. It's worse, but he did get you know Injuries aside so he got the defensive rookie of the year. Yep He got a starting corner who's gonna start next year. Just you know in fact he got quarterback who started a whole season and went eight and eight fine he's in the shitter now so forget he got a backup quarterback but we started guard he's got a Starting full back who got injured It's just injuries injuries injuries and he's got another starting guard and a bushy was in the same dress So so winter's fine out injured abushi and starting so starters abound last this this year i mean 12 picks whiffs just whiffs oh yeah fine injuries to, to the corner but no like slam run like i don't care if you have 12 picks and you hit on two of them prior doesn't even look like a slam dunk winner right now he looks good i don't know how you even say he looks good we're one of the worst secondary is in the whole league and he's the starter because of the other side I don't see how you if the other is the other he's good the other idzik stuff Which is that he didn't go after a free agent corner. So now our corner situation through injuries We have two of our three miss two of us should have been on this team This team would have been a very different team. I know one player doesn't really make a football team, but he really Or would it have been a big difference because you don't want to pay cuz that's his plan I don't want to pay I want to get value well, Demetri Peterson was value Good values on the street right now, and we have picks fourth round picks who we cut We did cut a pic cut a fourth round pick. That's like where you make your money is in the fourth round Like that's where you get those guys that like you I don't know why you picked 12 guys I don't know why you didn't trade around and Pick seven. Well, what? To have another pick that he cut? You can't keep 12. We've definitely cut more than just one guy. Can't have 12 guys. Alright. Let's move on. Let's move on. We talked about that. What do we got? Let's talk about some fantasy. Do we even talk about the game all that much? Yeah, we did. What are we gonna talk about? Whatever. Jets are terrible. You know, we didn't, you know, who's good. Kyle Orton. You know, it's funny. He wasn't even that good. No, of course. He really wasn't. We we actually had more yards than they did. Like they didn't have a lot of yards. It sucks for our defense. They kept getting the ball like on their own on our 20. And then we'd get a penalty and back up and then we get a fumble. They'd get the ball on their on our 20. Like they'd score going for 20 yards and score. And we'd get it on our own 10. I feel like there was a drive where we had like seven plays for like one yard.

27:02 Jake: A lot of penalties. I feel like there was a drive like that. Anyway, alright, what are we doing then? So we're talking about the JK fantasy league. How are we doing? I tied. Oh, I tied. Five, two, and one. I tied last week. I hate tying. Oh, it's the worst. Yup. It is the word. Well, Priors Rioters is still undefeated. Undefeated. Who is on this fucking guy's team? It's a lot of people. He's playing me this week. Who's on this guy's team? Like, how do I... But I'm hitting him in the week that he almost has everybody on by. Priors Rioters? So he's got Russell Wilson, Matt Forte, Andre Ellington, Julio Jones, Mike Wallace. Antonio Gates, Sandra Hopkins. How did he get this kicker? His kicker is Nick Foll. He got the Jets kicker. Wow, good tune. He has no cylinders on his, out. He has brought, I mean he's got two other people in, he's got sanders on his bench. He'll just put sanders in for Julio Jones. And then who's gonna put in the wanting back position? Anthony Dixon? Nope, he's not, he's a Christ Brown. He doesn't even have anybody. He needs to pick someone up. That's right. Needs to make a move, Prior-Rioter. Yeah. Anyway. So we're getting down to the batch. I have slowly worked myself back from the most terrible to now 4-4 with a 4-win win streak. What am I? 5-2-1. Alright. I can live with that. And this week, I'm up against Priders. And you are up against... Who are you up against? I don't know. Big Rex now. You're Steven powered. He's 4 and 4. There you go. You're ass kicked. Alright, let's get to some pickums. Let's get to some pickums. Speaking of back to normal. Yeah. Oh, you're on top. Yeah. Oh, so good. I lost last night by the way. I had Carolina at home. And not only. Have I made a jump last night? I don't know. I'll look in a second. But not only have I made a jump, but I made a nice little, I put a little buffer between your ass and my ass. Yeah, you know what the thing is? I keep not picking the games and just picking underdogs the whole way through. Yeah, that's so smart. And that strategy is just not working. I'm gonna stick with it. Okay, you're now at 46. I'm at 53. Oh, man. Uh, last week I had eight. What I'm like and this week I have zero. I don't I didn't get one last week. I didn't get All right, so let's make our picks all right so last night, New Orleans beat Carolina I thought that'd be closer. I just felt like I thought it was on the road not a good team right and then Carolina I don't know clearly stinks there ain't no good Well, how could their defense go from being all of a sudden the best not worse the next year? You know what happened that guy? Big player for them was with the domestic violence thing There's a big one guy. Well, you lose a big Like sack guy on the defensive line and you know, yeah. All right one o'clock Sunday Cincinnati hosts Jacksonville's a first-list judge this judge this week. How many four o'clock three four cocks? Okay, that's good at least four Cincinnati home giving 11

30:00 Jake: I have Jacksonville points give me a point yeah too many points Jacksville has played tough even though they they're not a good team they do get a bit yeah so now you may not have all their what my my back screen they might have you rest guys yeah cuz they got Thursday night coming up the next week they do so I'm gonna pick Jackson yeah we got this Jacksville game we got you all right Cleveland hosts Tampa Cleveland favored by a lot, six and a half. Don't trust them. Knicks beat Cavs last big game in Cleveland. Tampa hangs in there and give me the six and a half points. I'm taking points a lot these days. Yeah, that's my big strategy. I might be switching a lot of my picks as I hear you make your picks. No, I... I'm gonna keep Tampa as well. Dallas in Arizona Dallas favored by four. I can't figure this line just to figure That romo is starting must it has to right although Arizona is good. They're really good They're very good. They beat everybody And they're getting four points, and I don't think Dallas is that great at home. Dallas just got a four point favorite? Not a three point? Fuck that. And Romel might not play. Might not play. I think there's just like... Could go out in the middle of the game. This is like a DeMarco Murray like... This is all him. You're by Arizona, you can't run on them. You gotta throw on them. and... Alright, I got Arizona. Me too. Okay. Uh, Minnesota is hosting Washington and RG3 I think is slated to start, yes. That's why this line has been changing. So Minnesota is now favored by one and I'll take Washington coming off of that win against the Cowboys. I think so too, Cauber, we're agreeing it's terrible. I think that... RG3 coming back. I mean, I don't know what a team Minnesota is. I don't think they're a good team. They're just not a good team. They're just not a good team. Still at one o'clock. Last one. Philly is going to Houston. Philly favored by two. I'll take the Eagles not to lose two in a row. Me too. One of my only favorites I'm picking this week. Me too. All right. Four o'clock. San Francisco coming off a buy, right? Is hosting St. Louis. Paid them like favorite weeks ago. They blew them out. And I have them to do that again. San Francisco off the buy. Well rested. I think they're gonna win. I think they'll win. I don't think I think this will keep it close. They had a lot of like blown. Do you see some of the plays in the last game? That was a Monday Nighter. They blew their wad against Seattle. St. Louis did. Yeah, I just think they'll keep it close. I don't think it's tense. I'll take St. Louis. All right. Sam just will win the game. All right. We'll skip this one because it's awesome. Yeah, Seattle week. Seattle is hosting Oakland.

33:00 Jake: And they are favored by 15 points and I can't do it even though it's in Seattle. I think they've only had one double digit point victory this whole season and it was like the first game of the year. I will take 15 points. They can lose by two touchdowns. I know two touchdowns. It's more than two touchdowns. You know me and the big points. I'll go for a one. I'm with you on this one. I'll take points. Thanks. This could very easily be like 38 to 10 though very easily so I think it'd be more like I mean even last night Was was an 18 point game? Yeah, and those are two more evenly matched teams in the road team won by 18 So there you go Oakland going by 18. So you're saying kind of all right all right? Sunday night. I love watching these two teams play on a Sunday night It's a big stage and these two teams play prime time every year. It's so great Yeah, Baltimore is going into Pittsburgh and they're favored by one and I just cannot understand We just watch Pittsburgh like open up a disanamantel Raisy on top of a team. Yeah, they just be one pull to a lot of people thought was like one of the best teams in the league A red-headed stepchow. It was a rat kill. It was a rat kill. So I don't get this line. It did flip. At one point Pittsburgh was favorite. Did an injury occur? I don't get it. But give me Pittsburgh at home with a point. I mean basically just picking Pittsburgh to win at home. Yes. I totally agree. At night. Pittsburgh at home, unless they blew their preferably watch. This is a close game regardless, so give me Pittsburgh at home. Alright, and then Monday night, Monday, Monday, Monday, but Poults back in prime time, man they're in prime time a lot. You are going to New York to MetLife Stadium to play the G-Men. Coming off there by... And they are coming off there by Indy favored by 3 and a half. I love me some indie in this game. They just got embarrassed. They're a really good team. They're gonna pound the Giants, I think. Pound them. I just don't know if the Giants are that good. I've been saying it all year. They're kind of like Jekyll and Hyde. Sometimes they come out, they look great. Other times, they're like completely lost. and in their own heads. Maybe the by helps they a little work in, but I don't know if teams really work on that by week anymore. Right. It's like vacation. They go to vacation. Yeah. So I don't know how much that really helps. Wow. Give me India. I think we pick all the same ones. All right. Let's go to the let's go to the AC. Yes, let's do it. Where all the best games of the week are. So actually in all actuality, two of the three best games in the. Uh, in the league are happening this week and, and involve AFC East games. I think it's a great game. It's not the best. The best is the other one. Uh, but San Diego is going to Miami and Miami is favored by two and a half.

36:08 Jake: And actually like Miami in this game. I think the west east one o'clock game will play a little role here. I think Miami is a good team. They can, they can, they can run, they can throw, they can play defense. I actually like Miami. Um, I don't look forward to playing them as, as a, you know, the jazz as the one in seven jazz, one in seven jazz, one in eight. Yeah. is actually halfway decent. Tanhills turning out to be a decent player. They've got you know, Mike Wallace is playing well, and they've got other weapons the Mar Miller and I think this will be a close game So for that reason, I'm gonna pick San Diego with the spread, but I think Miami's gonna pull it out and And win by two whole points here 24 22 I Agree with you, but I think San Diego is a good team I think they're a better team and I'll give and give me the yes is the one o'clock. Yes. There's the east to west Yes, there's the west to east. Yes. There's all that I'm I just I'm not convinced that that Miami is of the caliber to go up and beat San Diego, which I think is a much better team and sort of firing all centers. San Diego lost last week, right? They had like a bad loss. Yeah. They, I think they played, uh, Denver on Thursday night. On Thursday. So they've had an entire 10 days to get ready for this game. Um, I think San Diego is going to go on a win. I just, I have a hard time thinking the score, but I'm going to take San Diego. 22 21. Okay, and in the game that we've all been looking forward to Everybody who Manning Brady 16. So what's nice is this will be after the Jets game So no matter what the Jets win or lose if you're a Jets fan, you can either say okay, we lost. That's a better pick Right you say we won. Okay. This team is not you know, the laughingstock of the world Those are your only two ways to look at this. What do you mean? I'm just watching Denver. Right, but now it's I'm saying our game will be over. Now we got the now he has to walk by two real teams. So this is going to be fun. It's in New England. Last year Denver got out to what? Twenty four nothing lead. Is that night is like that's when came back to win. Yeah, something crazy. So I think New England is more equipped to beat Denver this year than they were last year. Wow, that's a weird one. Well, last year when they played each other, they didn't have Wilfirk. He had already been hurt. And they didn't have a guy named Dorell Reavis on one side of the field, and they didn't have a guy named Brandon Brown around the other side of the field. They had like... crappy corners yeah like walls and yeah like ours so For that reason that reason alone and no one's getting points at home

39:03 Jake: I feel like that's the kind of team that actually like Belichick brings that up. He's like by the way We're underdogs at home By the way, but this guy who we've beaten 10 out of the 15 times that we played and it could be snowing and or raining Who knows so I like New England to win this game and I like it to be 27 24 not as high scoring as I think people feel like this game is gonna be because actually both of these defenses aren't too bad I think Denver's gonna have to run the ball because they should be able to against New England should be able to I I do think New England's gonna win. I do think Denver is a better team than they were last year. They're actually a better team. I think they're more balanced. Their defense is better than it was last year. Last year was terrible. I think last year they let Jacksonville score on them. I agree. I think their defense is fantastic. And there's a couple homecomings. We have a Wes Walker homecoming and we have a Kieb Tlaib homecoming. I think he'll cover Gronk. I think you will. So I'm a little bit... I just don't like to pick against New England at home. Like I think that they've got a good thing. So I'm keeping it close, but I'm saying New England wins 32-30. I think it is going to be high scoring. I could see them just drive score, drive score, drive score. but it is just you know we'll get it again we'll be like a 1310 game i just don't think that's gonna happen so now what game of the minute the game of one o'clock the game we will be watching while you're in the hooters the first of the millennium it's now the game of the the one and seven It's not even the game. It's the game the Jets are playing in. The 1 in 7 Jets pick on the 4 in 3 Kansas City Chiefs. I'm gonna stop with my bullshit picks on this show and I'm gonna start picking the way I think it's gonna actually happen. Oh, I see that. Well, so it's funny because you've done that before. You never say that. You just pick. Right. You always pick the way you think it's gonna happen. No, usually I... How many times do I really picked against the Jets? You can count on one hand. Well, twice this year. One hand, you can count on. 38-13. That was one. I got that one right. Only luck. Really, how often do I really do that? Not often. Yeah. Once this year. Once this year. I never do. I think in... Once a year maybe. But now I'm really doing it. I'm picking every week the way I think it's gonna pan out. Well can you give us the keys to being the KC? I don't see it. I don't see how it happens. You have to give us the keys. It doesn't matter if you see it. You have to say here's how they could. If they could, here's how they can do it. Alright Like you've forgotten what after seven years like forgotten like what I don't see how it's supposed to I don't see how they do it

42:01 Jake: I I just don't see it. Alright, I'll do it then Go ahead your keys and then I'll go easy is not a powerhouse team We have a couple disadvantages one or in their place. They have a very loud and terrible. I I We're gonna do the push-up challenge, the 10 push-ups for every, or I'm gonna do that during the game. I will tell you, I might do 150 push-ups. You're gonna hate Willie Cologne by the end of the game. Yes, because with all the noise and all that, they have a good runner, they can run the ball. But they don't really have much else. Their defense was very good last year, but it has given up a lot this year. They don't have anybody to throw to. And Alex Smith is not a barn burner. He's not a guy, he's not gonna go and just destroy you. Did you see them play the Patriots? Yes. That's all I have to ask. Yes. They can turn it up. Yeah, I just think that's the Patriots having a bad game. Really? Yeah. So the Jets are gonna have, what, a good game and it's gonna be better than the Patriots? Yes! Okay, so the Jets' good game is better than the Patriots' bad game. I think you can get to Alex Smith. I think you can make him do turnovers. I don't agree. Okay. Think you can I'm not we don't turn anyone well We didn't you know what I'll or no worse we didn't turn Jay color over we didn't turn Matt Stafford We are saving them up five turnovers in this game keeping them in the box in this pocket. This is the five turnover game Eventually the ball has to bounce on the other side of the road No, you have to be in position to make an interception So so here's the thing I don't think if Casey's big talent is their running game, right? I think we can stop that. I think we can stop Jamel Charles. I think we can keep him within range. I don't disagree. Right. So I don't think that they're gonna, it's not like they have great pass in that we need to have, you know, a great coverage. We just need to get to Smith quickly so he can't wait for it. But you know what they are? They are not great. Yeah. They are efficient. Yes. And we are not at stopping but efficient. But those are passing. But those are fine. But those are three and outs and those are field goals. They're not field goals. They're not going to be able to score the first five seconds of the game and get us into a 14-0. You've got me really interested now. Okay, you're actually going to do work. for the podcast now, you actually do some research. I'm gonna do just a tad bit of research, and it's gonna take a second, so you're gonna have to wait a minute. So here's my keys while you talk over me. My browser is like crashing. My keys are, we have to do what we do, which is to stop the run, and then make Alex Smith try to beat us. I think on the other side of the ball, clearly, I mean, it's not, it's no. fucking secret anymore. You can't turn the ball over seven times De We sacked 500 times. I want Vic to just be a little bit less Vic. He has an arm, he has, he can throw the ball and he's semi-accurate. So like, just do that. We have weapons, we have guys who you hit them in stride. They can go all the way. Hasn't happened once this year. I understand, because what's our biggest play of the year?

45:00 Jake: Genius, genius Smith. That's good. Gino Smith overthrows the guy who's wide open by 10 yards. Can you remember what was our biggest offensive play of the season? I think it was the Chris Ivory run touchdown. Okay. Wasn't it? The Chris Johnson one? No, the Chris Ivory one where he was waving, waving at the end, he ran for like 60 yards. So our running plays are our big plays. Yeah. And that's the other thing, is we can run the ball. I think Kansas City has a really good defense. Their defense is good. So they did lose their first two games of the season. They were 0 and 2. But what was the score? Since then, they're 4 and 1. And who did they play? So they lost to Tennessee. Yeah, what was the score? 26-10. So they got Tennessee, a terrible team, scored 26 points against them. Since then they're both completely different teams. Then they played in Denver and lost. 2417 so then they got beat by Denver great so did we they hung in there but what so did we then they went, went to Miami and and won 3415 they crushed the dolphins okay Then they hosted hosted New England and won 4114 yeah crushed New England That was like turnover turnover turnover right okay? That's what we do right we turn over turn over turn over not do that Okay, cuz Tom Brady doesn't do that and we we do so Zara world okay? Then they went to San Francisco and lost 22, 217 Okay, then they went to San Diego where we got shut out and won 2320 okay, and then they just beat st. Louis at home 34 to 7 I'll say we're more oh more terrible than the one in seven jets you mean the team that beat Seattle yeah, that's a oh, okay, you can play this however you want, but we're just as bad as same-sex And we're certainly not as good as them. We'll be picking with them this year all right, so I don't know so there's no keys. We can't do it. It's impossible. It's not impossible You know what you need you need a little like luck little thick Spark, he's gotta like run for a hundred yards and throw two deep Passes we have guys that can catch those passes and that's kind of it because the defense is gonna be the defense They're gonna give up one or two big passing plays to guys who they shouldn't give them up to you Yeah, now I'm really digging in I just kind of want to see ladies and gentlemen Well, Justin Elstein is actually doing homework. I'm digging digging in so right now this guy He's got QB rating of 93. Okay, he's throwing a 67% completion percentage

48:05 Jake: He has only nine touchdowns for interceptions. Yeah, that's great. So he doesn't really throw for him any touchdowns or anything like that. He's pretty efficient. That game starts and stops with Jamon Charles, who against those big games when they score those games, he had three touchdowns in those games. Right, so he's tough. So anyway, I have us losing 31-13. That's terrible. 31 for Halloween, 13 for Halloween reversed. That's terrible. That's how I see it. That's pick sixes. If I'm wrong, I'm happy to be wrong. That's pick sixes. I'm happy to be wrong on these picks. Well, again, we're in that weird part of the season where do you want to win or do you want to lose? I'm not sure. Me neither. And I'm never the guy who says you should be playing for the draft. But at this point, I don't want to see more of Vic. What am I seeing? I'm seeing a 34 year old quarterback who will not want to see then who do you want it? I'm sick of like I don't that I don't so do you want to wake up in January seasons over? Because I'm sick of people being like well, what are with Michael Vick gonna do? Well, he's gonna play quarterback you asshole That's why he's on the team. He's a quarterback. He's gonna play quarterback, but he's gonna do it. Okay fine So what do you want? This is more see a little more. Yeah, a little more Seeing Vic play the only again I'm only in the mode of next year because or the two or three years you should be hoping that Sims plays and then the whole Vic thing You should just be like that was terrible. We should have never done that in the first place But that's not where you sit. No, I think it was the reason we got him was two was three games ago Four games ago, it was when- Well then you just disagree with the timing. But what do you want them to do now? Still play Gino? But now it's too late, too late. What do you want them to do? - In that first game they put in Vic, they should have put him in earlier. They've been messing up, they've been waiting too long, waiting, waiting, waiting. They're going to put in Vic, they should have put him in earlier. because now it's too late for this season. So here's some outcomes. Too late, motherfuckers. Look for some outcomes. Vic comes in and plays really well. Good. Let's say. Wins us six more games. Okay. We end the season semi-respectfully. It looks like the team kinda came back. Vic is gone. Unless we re-sign the 35 year old quarterback. for next year. That's not a good option. I don't know. Best team in the league right now has a 39 year old quarterback. Welcome to Brett Favre world next year.

51:00 Jake: That wasn't a terrible season, he just got hurt. And we didn't make the playoffs. It's a terrible season if we can't actually make the playoffs. Well then you're already in one. Well I know, so here's another scenario. Deal with it. Gino Smith. What do you want to see out of him? Nothing. The bench. Okay. I want to see him. I want to see him with the headphone on. Do you want to see him come back and see that he's absolutely the worst player ever just so you can be 100% sure? No, I think we've seen that. Okay. Just saw. Do you want to see if he can come back and be average so you know that you have an average backup for next year? We know we already have that. That's what he is. Or do you just want to come in and do so terribly that you actually have the best pick on the draft for next year? Yeah, I think I'm on that bandwagon. And there's Sims, which is... That's on the same bandwagon. That's the same thing. That's the same thing. That's not the... They're... Diamond in the Rough guy. Nope. We're... We saw it. Oh, we saw Sims start two games. He never started. Okay. So then there you go. You've never seen it. We've never seen him start. Why not see him start five games? Maybe he will maybe he'll start a couple games Fuck why not? We know, what Gino is we know a Vic is I really want to hear I don't think that that's being a Very ethical organization We we signed Michael Vic telling him that he would have a chance to compete to start for the football team Right, and he has now earned. I don't think so. Can you lose it? Absolutely. Tell me the stat that he loses it. I ain't gonna stat. It's just, keep losing. Wins and losses is the stat. Okay, so he loses this week. Keep losing. No, not one week. Two weeks? Well then tell me the number. You're the head coach. Wins are bye week. Wins are bye week. Two weeks. No. Next week. Whatever it is, it's coming up. Wins are bye week. Come on, man. I don't know. I don't know this shit. Why don't you know? I'm walking it up. Such a dick. Next week, Chiefs, then Steelers, then Buy. Give them these two weeks. These two weeks. You got two weeks, kid. 34 year old Michael Vick. And then we go into the Buy and we reassess. You might put back Gino. You might. You might putting up Mad Sims. You absolutely might. And you might just stick with them. Because he's because, hey, maybe it's maybe he's look decent and they're losing games 35, 32. And in that case, it's not on him. Well, unless he's throwing the picks that are making it. Well, yeah, but, you know, right. I'm putting up 30, I don't know how many games we played this year that we've scored more than 20 points. It's two games to it. I'm trying to think of the games that I would have thrown in Vic. Bears. Definitely the Bears. And he should have come in, the Lions, and he should have come in earlier in the Bills. In fact, Gio should have been starting at that point. I think if Bears and Lions we might have seen. And what was the game he actually did come in? Chargers yeah, that was the old that game was old right and Bill so the two games he's coming on other than using the VIC special package, which is now

54:02 Jake: Completely biggest piece of shit ever Alright, let's go. Alright, so that wraps it up. We'll be back next week. Hey with a win. We get a Monday pot I get a Monday podcast regardless. Oh Yeah, well you're definitely gonna middle of the week podcast. We'll see you next week Justin Jake saying Let's go chats