Best Laid Plans

Opening

Onan! What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.

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Machine transcript generated in 2026 by Grok Bot from the episode audio (Whisper small.en + sherpa-onnx speaker diarization). Speakers labeled Opening / Jake / Justin. Timestamps about every three minutes. Diarization note: HOST_LOCK: after Opening, host/welcome voice = Jake; other = Justin; host-welcome cluster=0 @ 14.3s → Jake; other-primary cluster=1 → Justin; intro-self-ID Jake confirms host; Jason-ref Jake cluster 0 sim=0.72.

00:14 Jake: Welcome to the Jet Kingdom podcast, the longest running New York Jets podcast. period and the story might drop. I'm Jake. Joining me 284 times in a row. Justin. That's it. That's good. Justin: I had something it was going to come up with like a little nickname. It's going to be a World Cup thing. Whatever. Yankees. Oh, leave the World Cup out of it. I just can't talk about it. Oh, it's so good. Jake: It's such bullshit. Justin: and you want to know what we're talking about b So not yeah, not just not and it's it's in Russia. It's definitely some collusion going on russia early But my yankees came down from o2 to win three straight against the best team in baseball Supposedly Cleveland and Cleveland was talking some smack when they were up to o on Twitter I had to go back at a guy oh No, I'm gonna go eat a cupcake Wow, you did that and you did it. Oh, wow. I think I saw it actually. So good. He was the Yankees did it, too, which I loved. I loved it. The Yankees went out there on social and were like, here's the cupcakes. How was the what's the cupcake? Because I think I made a comment. Someone tweeted someone tweeted something at him about cupcakes. And then you came back in here and then. Jake: the Yankees picked up on it and said yeah well he said like oh yeah we're three and oh a Yankee Stadium this year whatever and the Yankees came back with Justin: Tuk-tuk about your... How about we talk about these second place New York Jets? Hey dude, we're three and two. How the fuck did that happen? We have a winning record. I can tell you how it happened. Jake: Playing shitty teams. Let's list off the quarterbacks that we've won against. List them, please starting with well, we beat the cutlet. Okay, who is Absolutely terrible cuz now hasn't won a game since colets pretty. Oh, no, I guess they won last week 1610 Justin: Co it's pretty pretty pretty bad. He's bad news bears

03:03 Justin: Yeah, then we beat Bortles. He's pretty shitty terrible. Good team. Great running team. Great defense. Kinda Jake: Good defense. They're very inconsistent. If I were a Jaguars fan I'd be worried because it looks like one week they show up in spades the next week Justin: If I were a Jaguars fan, I'd be like go get a quarterback. God damn it. Immediately. Like right now. This guy Jake: we picked third overall not good enough. Cap could Cap could lead them farther than then this that guy might be the one of the worst starters in the whole league He he's up there. That's a well watching. That's a good defense watching a Sam Bradford play hurt on Justin: Monday night was and then we beat the combination of Deshaun Kaiser who I said was gonna be awful and he really was a rookie and Kevin Hogan Second year not a rookie no second year Second year but also played a little last year and he played well Okay He went 16 of 19 for 194 yards Jake: He did throw a pick. It did not make any sense I cannot I still do not I think the Browns organization has just cancer all over them From from top to through through their head coach. You're down by three You've your your rookie quarterback has gone down the field twice on the jet. He did turn it over twice inside the five, which is really bad. He did. That's actually inexcusable. Listen, if if bad quarterback plays why you why you say they should have set McCown at certain points, because we'll talk about it because there's some things I rewatch the game and there's some things that when I rewatch it I'm like Thank you. Man, I can't do that. By the way, so what? You're still down by three and you're also on the 0 and 4 team So who the fuck cares? Play your rookie and get him to make some experience. Their coach is not a head coach No, he's an offensive coordinator and he was playing. Okay, did he turn it over twice? But it wasn't like he turned it over twice and they were both pick sixes and they're losing he turned over twice, but They're only down by three and they missed two field goals. So really, they could have been up by six. Sure. Or it should have been up by like 15. We should have been losing that game about 20 to zero at certain points. Justin: But we weren't. We weren't. We weren't. Jake: We got hurt. We could not run. Oh, God. Compared to last week, I mean, there were zero holes. Justin: There was nowhere to go. Nowhere. Jake: And nowhere to go. Oh, and they bring out this, the number one pick in the fucking draft. They line him up. The entire stadium goes insane. Because everybody on the planet knows that this guy just came into the game. And like, we're all excited about it. And our fucking offensive line just goes, let's barely block him. Let's get him go straight through on a third down. What the fuck? We won that game in spite of ourselves, by the by. Um, we did. We won it in spite of ourselves. We tried to lose, but the Browns are better at losing than we are. They're just better at it. Yeah, they're really good baseman, H

06:04 Jake: in some ways because we're winning and losing. I don't know. New York took See, it was so predictable. You're doing well, he's like, I'm so good. If he's not doing well, he's like, I'm not good. I don't even know how I'm doing. So how about that? Yeah, yeah. If you were five and 0, you'd be like, I'm five and 0. I wouldn't even know. Dude, I really really really really really really really who impressed and who depressed in the Jess versus Browns. Justin: Alright, um You know impresses me and continues to impress me what I asked you just now So it's like kind of asked you that Jeremy curly. Yes very dependable Open throw the ball to him. It gets caught. That's actually a thing Zero zero attempts have been thrown his way that haven't been caught Yeah, that's that's pretty impressive. That is really like not even a throw away towards him that counts as like a target for him He gets targeted the ball gets caught. That's it. It's super simple. He's open on third down. He's over the middle. He's not scared He's a good possession receiver. Don't even know why he was in the doghouse when he was two years ago Yeah, I don't remember like he got in changelis doghouse and he never made it out Got shipped off went off to San Francisco for a year came back Jake: He's I'm one of our top three guys I will say the two guys we shipped off and our back Are kind of playing better than they feel like they were playing when they're with us. Yeah, Mary Davis. He's playing well Justin: Yep, and curly he's playing well, and I feel like they're they're probably just good locker room dudes. Dudes Like better than, than, you know, the guys, the, you know, let's say curly replaced Brandon Marshall, who's now out for the season, by the way, with some bullshit injury, which I'm sure is not a real injury. Jake: I'm not in the playoffs injury. The Giants know how to tank. They are tanking like, they're going to really tank. They're really, they're going to be here. They're going to get top two pick top three pick for them. And they grab a quarterback and win another five Super Bowls. Um. I and I out on.

09:12 Jake: Um, well, Saks neither he nor Leonard Williams have a sack. No, Williams is actually in a little bit of a slump, but you can still see him in the plays like pushing through and he's getting close and he's coming around the edge. You don't see that with Wilkerson ever. You just don't see him getting the pressure that he used to get not last year, but two years ago. Oh yeah, he had like 12 sacks. Yeah, he was actually a Marcus made with a. and third down Third and 12 and he takes like a 10 yard sack. He's trying to fucking run away or something He doesn't get rid of the ball and i'm just like he's he's Justin: Bad quarterbacks take sacks like geno smith. Yeah perpetually went backwards But like fits on the other hand not a great quarterback. No, but he was good at not getting a sack Jake: Right. Well, he would go forward. He'd step up in I the pocket or just, just get rid of the ball get rid of the ball He did not. He didn't get rid of the account. It's just all too long and he's getting sacked. And I imagine what one of these younger guys would do back there. Justin: They'd be getting crushed. Jake: Fine. But I don't know. Let them get crushed. Get more. Justin: I feel like break their jaw or something. Yeah, you sacked three times this game. Jake: Yeah, I get it twice by twice by one dude. Yep. I think he is the whatever the fuck Yeah, he had two tacos two sacks His name was just luck. I mean they they Justin: They turned it over. That was what we said. Turnovers. Just turn them over and we did. Jake: But we turned over too and we let them sack us. Justin: Yeah, but you know what? They threw two picks. Right? Two picks and they had how many fumbles did they have? Just just the one just that one. Yeah, so yeah, that's pretty good We couldn't run. No, we could not run we could not get the running game going I didn't even think McCown played as well as these numbers, state. No, they played. No, they don't but He again completed 77% of his passes. They're low, they're low percentage. Yeah, dude. West Coast, it's fine. Six yards in a cloud of dust. And it's set up, didn't you like that play? The touchdown to curse, I'm gonna make that my play of the game. Okay, I think you can play the game. Because they were setting it up the whole day.

12:00 Justin: It's the West Coast offense. It's wide receiver screen, wide receiver screen, wide receiver screen. Put a guy in motion, move people around, see that it's man to man, fake that wide receiver screen and then boom. Wine backers all went for it. Nobody near curse. Nope. Nobody even close. And that's awesome. That's great offensive design. That is like really nicely designed. Not just play, but. plays to set up a play later in the game, which is what you like to see. Jake: If it was executed properly, if McConaugh was 30, I'd be like, you know what, maybe this guy's got a chance to learn if he picks up the system, like we could just, you know, not turn the ball over, which he hasn't really been doing a great of not turning it over, but it's high completion percentage, which is good. The sacks he's got to stop. He's just, and he tries to run away. And I'm like, dude, you're 39. Stop trying to run away from these guys. They're gonna track you down. They're going catch you. And they have, they catch him. And then he like, you know, one time he fumbled and he got it. He also, he's gotten those couple of looks. Like he fumbles and gets it back. Yeah. You know? He did that towards the. The jaguars game so is your play the game you play the game the screen was that your who's your that's it? And who's your that's my pie and who's your night of the game? Oh? Justin: God, we have the impressed we have so many fucking things we do yeah, it's all written right here I don't know I'm gonna pick Marcus may for that interception cuz he's a rookie and that was his first kind of like big play so I'm gonna go ahead and and I like him I think he's good the storyline gets sort of overshadowed by the Jamal Adams definitely but he's good the Jake: Marcus makes good the storyline that is starting to bubble up in the Jets is like and they were talking about it on the broadcast and they're like They're playing two fucking rookie safeties. Nobody does that. Nobody does that. Nobody does that because you're an idiot. And they're kind of coming together. Justin: And they're kind of playing well. Yeah. Interesting enough. They should come up together like brothers. Like they should be like 10 years together. I mean, they seem to be pretty good. Jake: My night, I would just put my night and play the game was the touchdown to Jenkins. And he's my knight too, like he's that big guy. He's the guy we don't have on the team, like the huge guy, go up over somebody, you're 6'4", there's no corners out there that are 6'4", when you jump and they jump, you should be able to at least be 6 or 7 inches above anybody at the top of the ball, and if the quarterback puts in the right spot... You got it. So he's catching the ball. He's getting those big third down plays. He's not going to burn by somebody. He's just going to rumble stumbles. Justin: He's a big dude. Yeah. But remember when we were in the car on the way home from the Jaguars game? Yes. And there was someone talking and he sounded like really intelligent. We're like, who's that? And it was like, oh, it's Austin Sfarian Jenkins. And they were talking about the they ran the same play in the Jaguars game.

15:03 Justin: They ran that fade the same exact play. And they're like, Oh, is this like a lack of reps? Because you missed the first two weeks. He's like, No, no. You know, we we we did, you know, we scored in practice. Like it was a good play. You know, we'll run it again. It'll it'll end at work. Jake: And they ran it. right away again and it worked. And here's the thing, like we also have, I would say, the three on offense, the three most talented people on our offense, if you just listed them out, considering all TPLers on the team including IR. Gotta be Quincy Newlin's number one. Maybe Blau Powell. Gotta be Blau Powell's number two. Yeah, those are probably the top two. Sadly it's probably got to be either curse or Forte is probably one of the most talented people. You're just talking about like skill position. Skill position guys. Yeah, curse is pretty decent. But okay, then Forte's gotta be four. Like he's just old, I mean he's talented, like he can catch the ball, he can run with it. Like he's like if you're just whisking off talent, like who's got the talent on this team? And in this game, three of those players were not on the field. Yeah, just how old that hurt. And he probably won't play this much this year. So it's like this year? This year? Well this, no, he's got a high calf sprain. High ankle sprain? High ankle sprain. That could be a couple weeks. So it's kind of interesting. Plus, we had two corners not playing. Yeah, we're missing our second and. Justin Burris. Justin: Oh, we were kind of missing our our our two out our other outside corners screenplays inside. Claiborne's number one. And then Burris is number two. He was out. Roberts was out. So then we went to Williams, who was kind of getting burnt a little and what it caused was the fact that all of a sudden when they wanted to go into more of like a DB package, you had three safeties out there as opposed to four corners, which is different. It's it's it's just a different look and and you're playing guys who just and aren't used to being on the field by the way Jake: So we lose anybody to Andrea than Bob Powell. We think he might be out for a big one. That's huge I think the big news is that Elijah McGuire is Looks real. No one could run ball It didn't exactly light the world on fire in I expect him to actually do pretty well I would predict over a hundred yards against the pads past or not. Yeah, the pads do not have a good defense Um, but what I was gonna say is they cut Williams the corner and they activated Jalen Marshall They cut Williams. Yeah, cuz he played really bad that that I hope means that Burris is back Justin: Because otherwise, yeah, I mean, they both should be back if that's the case, you know, just cut a corner and still have to out, right? Because they don't really have another one behind there. Jake: No, that's the five. That's not the carrying. All right, let's go. So that's it for the game. I mean,

18:06 Jake: I just I just don't I noticed there are a lot of weird names out there on defense. They rotate quite a bit like Justin: David Bass. Yeah, Bass. David Bass was out there quite a bit. Why not? Rontes Miles was the guy who kind of took over and was in there. Freddie Bishop was in there a ton. Yeah, I mean, these guys were taking over for like the Coney Ely spot because he was injured. Jake: I think the offensive line did. Not well. No, couldn't block. No. They usually couldn't run. They could not run. Couldn't run. This is not a run blocking offensive line. And they, but that's the thing. We said two weeks ago, I think I made them my night because they were able to create these holes. I think Brian Winters is a problem. I think he's bad. I think he... He might be the problem, not the answer. I think he's the problem. I think... When we had Justin: When he was out two weeks ago was our best running effort with dozer in the game Can I ask a question? Where's Chad Hansen? He's stuck behind curse Robbie Anderson Jeremy curly and still in our dairy Stewart, so he would be the fifth wide out and just like now Jill and Marshall is Jake: Around so like he And he gets long balls. One trick pony. Yeah, one trick pony. But it worked a few times. I'm not gonna lie. It's not like every game. They made it down to a big one. Again, those are the ones that are No they didn't. Down to... Justin: He had two catchers for 16 yards! What game? What are you watching? Jake: I'm catching the two games. I did watch them back to back. Yeah, he didn't play well in this game. Well, that was the stat I posted inside of our little channel the other day. Well, he's still goddamn thin if you just bump him, he might fall. The count is number is the second... Is the lowest of two of all starting quarterbacks throwing down the field. No, they don't throw it out. Yeah They throw screens they throw over the middle little six yard seven yard passes little slant it was the big talk on the after show was You can't not throw down the field because it just they're just gonna put everybody in the box I'm gonna stop you from running because who trusts McCown to like do anything So start throwing at least down the field a few times. You gotta have a guide goes down the field. We have them just send them down the field. Hur

21:17 Jake: Uh, Bucks, sorry, the Patriots squeaked one out. Against the Bucks on Thursday night. Well, I guess we'll talk about them a little bit more. Fucking Patriots. Uh, Panthers look like they're back. They do. Right. Cam looks back. They do. Uh, 49ers are now in our now. Stinko. Are terrible. Oh, I'm five. Uh, dolphins and Titans. Just a grudge match. Marietta was out again. Who cares about them? Bill can't keep the street going. They lose to the terrible Bengals. What are you reading? I'm just. Do you write this yourself? No, I'm actually looking at the scores. Good for you. Making this up as I go. Nice job. Giants can't win for losing. Oh, it's twenty two, twenty seven to the Chargers. Did you watch the end of that? I did. Giants. So that Giants lose ODB. They lose Marshall. Uh, they're cutting shepherds out the wood. Justin: They literally don't have a receiver. Jake: There's no one on that team. They are going to tank for... They can't run. They never could. And they don't have anyone to catch the ball. Ingur might be, um, basically their only option. Big Ben? Is he done? Nah. Justin: He has some stinkers every year. Jake: Five interceptions. Yeah, he's done it before, I'm sure. Yeah, I just don't like his attitude. I don't like saying like, and I know, I know it's like he catch him off whatever, but in the off season he talked about retirement, he's talking about retirement. It's just, it's just like, where's that just killer spirit? I don't think he's got it. Someone will get in his ear. Yeah, I'm sure. Tom Horn's a good coach. He should be the leader. Are the Eagles for real? They are real. I do. I think it's really good. Carson Wentz. Fucking Carson Wentz is really good. Better than golf. I'm sticking to it. I also say in the long term, he'll be better than golf. So I think he's going to have more experience. And he's, yeah. Justin: Well, he has half a year more experience. Jake: In the long run, that's not a big deal. He started last year on a very hot hand and then lost a lot. So I'd love to see him keep it up. They're four in one. Let's see if they can keep it up. I mean, I guess it's a race between eagles and cowboys. Thank you. playing that game. Yeah, that's great. I keep them off our team. Ravens wake back up and go and beat the Raiders without David Carr. Yeah, they beat EJ manual or whatever. But Ravens like they're either losing by they're either losing by 44 points or winning. Whatever. That's I don't care. EJ manual. Best game of the week. This is the actual one they called the end.

24:00 Jake: It was the best game of the week. Packers go into Jerry world and squeak one out right at the end. Literally beating the Cowboys like back and forth, back and forth. You can't stop Aaron Rodgers. And we saw him go down and I think, weren't we sitting together and we're like, don't leave fucking 56 seconds on the clock for Aaron Rodgers. Oh yeah. Cause they leave him time. It was, it was Dak Prescott. He ran. and he had the chance to run for the touchdown. We're like, you shouldn't have run for the touchdown. You should just lay down, got the first down and then wind down the clock and then take the points because you leave Rogers. I mean, the thing is, you can't do that. Justin: That's really, yeah, but what you're describing, and again, I totally get it. I totally understand what you're saying. It's just really hard when you have to score. to win the game right you have a score to like not score right like when it's when the opportunity is there you gotta just take it you can't just like take a knee at the one and then assume you're gonna score cuz my is he command you know yeah yeah but dude you can't just not take the touchdown it's not like they were giving it to him he made a play and he scored you've got to take it you you got to take the lead and then Jake: He's good. I wanted him. I'm on record. You are on record for calling it. If he turns out to be a long-term good quarterback, we missed on that one because Sean Watson might. We had a shot at him if we wanted. Number six, we just pick him. Right. And lastly, in a Monday night clunker, where Trubisky comes out. I walked to the first half of it. It was fine. He's on a terrible offense or he's on a terrible offense with no basically no running game He didn't look lost no up against a great defense to me. He looked adequate that they kind of didn't score They don't have wide end. They don't have Justin: Wide receivers yeah, I know but that's like a very convenient excuse that we've Consistently made for guys like Mark Sanchez and Gino Smith So if we want to put him in that category, that's fine. Then he sucks. Jake: Okay. Well, you didn't think Mark Sanchez sucks. Justin: I didn't, but guess what? He was in a sweatshirt whispering into Trubisky's ear. You suck. Well, he was. He's the third stringer. He said, go get a hot dog. He's the third stringer on the bears. Terrible. He's probably a good mentor. Yeah, he is. He's got good experience. Jake: I was on record. I rather have picked up Mark Sanchez over the summer. And have one of these two rookies playing right now. And having the mentor. And having the mentor. Absolutely. And if he has to play, whatever. Because here's the thing about this. I know we talk about this every week and I'm sorry listeners.

27:02 Jake: This is the thing about McAllen playing. He's not actually helping those two fuckers on the thing. I think he is. How is he showing them what? Justin: Well, how is he helping you heard during the game that he was on the Browns last year? Yes, and his first win in that stadium, but he was offered a job. Yes as a coordinator staff As as a coach for the quarterbacks, so he's clearly he's playing But he's in the room every day with them he's Jake: in that I wish he was in the room saying here's what you need to look for not what I'm probably doing that I just don't imagine he is all right let's get to let's just do the let's do the fantasy what we're doing we're gonna do the fantasy first to talk about where we are again and joking as I am not logging all right well it's a guess five weeks in We have two, we have the New York Tank Exchange. Who's that? Five and O. Who's that? That's a big guy. You can say guys, they're in there. Oh yeah, I guess. Ryan is the New York Tank Exchange. Five and O, only on the Phoenix team. Good for you, you're winning in the league, but no one cares. I'm number two in petty differences. That's my team name. That's your team name? Petty differences. You changed your team name? You fucking ass. How dare you? I like it. In this one, I'm going to keep changing it because it's kind of fun to like every year doing something different. Now I'm not going to know when I play you. We have winning is sinning. We have we have our Darius stewardesses. We have winning is my forte. We have petty differences near tank exchange. Like it's fun to like kind of build them around what the year is. Well, I'm still the broadcaster. Yeah. And you're two and three. Thanks for watching. Justin: Three into that's good. I slept you this year you won. I think this week Jake: As my second loss, but uh, yeah, so in our division it's us playing the Patriots a Timmy Brady All Timmy Brady owners keep them out of there. You know, you enjoy the idea Justin: I think it makes I like it cuz it makes it easier. He makes it Marcus may start Yeah, I've had I have to a birth and I've Jordan Jenkins Jake: No, yes, it just makes it easier. It's like oh may oh, I have him Justin: The bunch of points I imagine that's worth a lot of points. I have right But yeah an interception should be word Jake: So I don't I don't actually like it because I think that the fun part of this league was always trying to keep I know Right keep an object player in there. That's going back next year. It is so fuck whoever wins cuz that's going back I think I'm playing that guy this week. All right, let's get to the Pick them. This is the pick them where we pick every game besides the AFC East with the spread Okay, take the AFC East in our throne pick segment and they'll pick the keys the castle from pick beating the Patriots this week. Let's get to it. Who is on the top and who is on the bottom? Justin: Garret's terrible picks is on the top. 46 and 28. Dude, you should be gambling. Jake: Well, he can gamble where he lives. That's true. You don't have to go to Vegas. Just go to the...

30:02 Jake: Garret, go gamble. Justin: You're tied for second. I know. With 40 wins, 40 and 34. Not bad. I am six games back of you, 34 and 40. And at the bottom, there's somebody who's saying, I'm just trying to win a game, and they won one game, and then they stop playing. And so I wait for them. I like the cool name team. Cool name team. Looks like they stopped too. Yeah. All right. Let's. Do it let's make some pics. Why don't we it is Thursday? We are recording this on a Thursday, and there's a great game tonight Hey, we have a good game on a Thursday night. I'm excited about this me too. We have Carolina hosting Philadelphia This is a good game Carolina is favored by three and a half. I do not like the half. I will take Philly and the points Jake: Yeah, I don't know why. I think the... Justin: I don't get the half. Aren't these evenly matched teams? In my opinion, they're even. What are you doing? Jake: What the fuck are you doing? I'm getting a phone call and I'm sending it to someone else. Send it to voicemail. I just did, but it's, you know, when someone important calls, you have to like... Respond cuz it could be something emergency for all I know Well, we're doing a podcast. I know don't don't think no that we're doing a podcast. I do not well What the fuck? All right, so I'll take Philly. I'll take fully as well I I'm just excited to watch because I really I actually just like watching this play good game Justin: Finally, we get a good Thursday night. It sucks that we have a good game Well last week was a good game to what I mean is usually Thursday's not the best football The teams aren't at their best on Thursday. So, you know people are tired They're a little beat up still. Yeah, it's Jake: Schedulers like to give the Patriots the the you know, the extra buy before our before our Justin: I'm sure that's exactly what they were thinking All right. Let's keep moving Green Bay, oh let's see how many four o'clock's? One, two, three, four four o'clock's! Good, some bye weeks too, right? Yeah, that's good. I like that. Alright, Green Bay at Minnesota. A good old fashioned black and blue division rivalry. It's in Minnesota, Minnesota's getting three points, I like home dogs, I'll take those three, I don't care who's the quarterback. Case Keenum, fine, I don't care. It's not like the Green Bay. Defense scares me. No, but the green bay offense scares me. So I'll take green bay. Thanks. Okay Alright, New Orleans is hosting Detroit. New Orleans is favored by five and a half I do not understand that at all. Can you explain that to me? I got Detroit Jake: I don't I don't get it They give them three for being at home and then they gave them another two and a half. Are they better than Detroit? Really? Don't know I'm gonna take Detroit as well. Yeah, I don't get that. All right It's not like they're being it's like the new ones the Saints have sometimes like the team that puts up 50 But they haven't been putting up 50 like they're not that good, right?

33:03 Jake: I don't get it. Maybe he's coming off a buy. Maybe they get the point the 2.5 for coming off a buy What does that matter? It rhymes? Justin: Only that only matters for Andy Reid. All right Washington is hosting San Francisco And Washington's favorite by 11. I think that's one too many. I'll take San Francisco They've been playing close games but losing. Yeah, this is a points play. I think this is a one o'clock Jake: West Coast East Coast. I see Washington's coming out. Washington needs a win and This is the team to beat up on. I could see him just taking them to the house. We think your cousins have you watched them at all this? I watched a little bit. Watch against the Casey the game. I haven't watched. You know, I like game. I know you like. And I like Alex Smith to Alex. It's great. Alex was playing out of his mind. Justin: Looks like like he's going to play for like five more years at this level. He looks great. All right. So you're taking Washington. I'll take Washington. Okay. Baltimore is hosting Chicago Baltimore's favored by seven. I've been in that stadium with a young inexperienced quarterback. Jake: It's loud. It's raucous. It's very difficult. I'll take Baltimore. Yeah. I just have this Baltimore's this up and down team. I think this is a down week for them. I see them like I could even see them losing. There's tape on Trebuski now. Oh, tape. There is. Justin: There's a week of. Things to look at. He played all 13 games. We'll see. All right. Let's go. I'm taking Chicago. Oh, there's things to look at. There wasn't last week. Houston is hosting Cleveland. Houston's favored by 11. They don't deserve that. Jake: I'll take Cleveland. Yeah, 11's a little bit too much. This one, they'll probably play Hogan again. Yeah, I think they named that already. Oh, yes, they're gonna play Hogan. They named that already So, you know sit the guy you just drafted in a second round. It's it's over. This is a second year player Justin: Whatever, they're just they're throwing darts. They are totally throwing darts. Remember they traded they traded for Jake: For Brock the cock and then cut him and they had RG3 on this team. Oh, by the way interesting article today I think I posted it. I read it. Yeah, and it was like double down. The double down for next year Regardless of where the Jets end in this season, unless it's a Super Bowl win. Pick two quarterbacks. Pick two quarterbacks next year. Literally double down and they talk. Pick the one you think's gonna play and then the one that maybe won't, because you might end up with Kirk Cousins. The Kirk Cousins versus the RG3. That's right. Right? And Kirk Cousins is the better player. And RG3 hasn't played in years. We played last year. We played last year. He's out of the league. I don't think he's on the team. Not even on the team. Yeah, this is what I'm not going to get in the whole kneeling thing, whatever. But the Kaepernick thing, like this whole is a conspiracy against Kaepernick. He's just not good enough to be on a forgot on a goddamn football team. Justin: Like, well, he is. Jake: He's better than some of the people on the team. But there's other quarterbacks out there that are sitting there not doing stuff as well. Right. So it's not just him. Like if if it was. Nobody else was out there then I could see it, but he's you know I think it's also like

36:01 Jake: What are they investing in right do I think that teams are thinking about yes? He brings a lot of issues with him and that might be a reason not to hire him Totally and there are teams that should be thinking like the Browns not one of no they lose Justin: And what's he gonna do to help you anyway right? We're not gonna help you win two more games who gives a shit But like the Jaguars, they should be really looking into this. Jake: I think the Jaguars and I thought, and I think the, I think the, um, the dolphins, it makes no sense. Dolphins aren't good anyway. And they have Matt Moore. Matt Moore can play. But Matt Moore can't play the rest of the season. He can. He's done it before. No, he hasn't played the whole season. He can play. He starts off, he does well for like two games. Justin: But he can play. It's not like... It's not like Chad Henny. Jake: Again, in the AFC East, it's 3-2-3-2-2-2-3. It's not like anybody's out of it at this point. Really? But are you really gonna keep rolling with Jay Cutler? I don't know. Justin: Maybe they think he'll eventually play himself into some sort of shape. Jake: I mean, I keep thinking that. I thought he... I think there's going to be a game where he's going to have like a J cutler game. He may. I don't know when it's going to come out. He may. He may. He may. He may. Justin: OK, Tampa's at Arizona. This is 4 o'clock. 4 o'clock. Tampa's a home dog. Tampa's getting one. Or sorry. Yeah. Arizona's getting one at home. I'm going to take that point at home. I'll take Arizona. Even though I think Tampa will probably win. Jake: Oh, I think Tampa's going to do well. They kind of, their defense looked a little bit better. They were getting to Brady. Yes. They're going to. Kill Carson Palmer not that they have a great sack record, but they got to Brady twice three times last week I could see Tampa Bay winning. Yeah, Tampa Bay Mac David Johnson injury really really derailed, Arizona Huh looks them over all right? They're gonna shut him down to move to more losses, Arizona And that guy's going on long-term IR like the way you said he might come back around Thanksgiving. Yeah, don't bring him back Alright stupid Where are we Jacksonville? Justin: is your Jags. My Jags. I was a year early on the fucking Jags. The Jags are hosting the Rams of LA. The Jags are giving two and a half at home and I like them. Their defense is going to be very confusing for young Mr. Golf. Jake: Yeah, it's going to be a good like run. You want to see like two, two of the best runners. Yeah. Like watch it and two. not so great, you know, quarterbacks. I'm picking Jacksonville, but only because of the home. Like, I don't know. Not that they even have a home advantage. But it's the home. It's only two and a half. Justin: Yeah. There's no respect there. No respect. Kansas City's hosting Pittsburgh. Kansas City's the best team in the league. Five and 0. Pittsburgh thought they were pretty good. They were three and one and then they went and laid an egg. So Kansas City favored by four and a half and I like them. They're just so good. They are so good. Weapons everywhere. They got good defense. They're really good. Alex Smith looks like one of the best quarterbacks out there right now. I'm only

39:00 Jake: picking Pittsburgh here because I cannot see them. They're like one of those teams that like, they're a good team that shouldn't be losing this many. and I feel like they're gonna have... It's early and they're 3 and 2. They're gonna have a... Yeah, but they just came off with huge loss. I think they're a team that I think is well quarterbacked. They have weapons. They have it all. They are well coached. They do. I could see them getting really pumped up. The home media's down on us. Let's do a little Patriots thing and go in and just... Fucking destroy Kansas City can see he's really good. I can see that well Justin: We got a game with no line off off off off off. I'll take the David Carr We got Oakland hosting LA the Chargers That'll be fun. The why are you gonna take Oakland? Yeah, I actually don't even care if it's DJ Night. Jake: I don't understand why this is off. Is it just David Carr? They're still waiting for Carr, but they thought they said he was gonna play. They don't know yet. Clearly, if they knew there would be a line here. Well, I'm gonna take Oakland on the chance that David Carr plays. Yeah, I don't know what the... I mean, if this just... I mean, it's in Oakland too. Justin: Does this ever get up? It's final, right? It doesn't get updated. It stays at zero, right? It'll stay at zero. Jake: Okay. I'm gonna take Okul now. Justin: Yeah, I'll take Okul. Alright, moving to the, uh, the night games. Good thing the Giants are on so many prime-time games. It's so much fun to watch such a shit team. This is- this is why I think- Jake: Can't we start flexing? We start- we should start flexing at least week five. At least week five. Justin: I mean, we know right now that there's like four games that are better than this game. Jake: Yes. I mean, if you're just- you think you know- Like, can we see Kansas City, Pittsburgh? Yeah, you can only flex a four, right? I think that's the rules. No, you can flex anything. No, I don't think you can flex a one. Justin: Yeah, you can flex anything. It doesn't matter. Jake: Alright, so what's the game that you'd flex in here? Justin: I don't know. Maybe New Orleans, Detroit. Maybe Green Bay, Minnesota. I mean, actually, maybe, maybe, I mean, Kansas City, Pittsburgh would be the obvious one, but that's the 425. So, I don't know if you can grab the 425. Jake: They're allowed to protect one. Like if you go to one, you know, I'd prepped one, whatever, but yeah, you're right. Anything would be better than this. Even Jett's, Jett's, Jett's Pat's is a better rivalry game. Three and two teams. I mean, the Giants are just so hard to watch. They're so bad. The best part about this. So we'll be home because we'll go to the game. We'll go to the Pat's game. We'll be home for this. But it'll be fun to watch. like the talking heads before this game trying to hype this up. Justin: They're going to be ripping, ripping the giant. Jake: So how many more games before McDon't gets McFired? McAdoon't? Yeah. McAdoo! McAdoon't? McAdoon't? I don't know. Do you get a better job? McAdoon't? Do go for a hit your heart. Justin: Does he have this like built in excuse now that guys are just dropping off? He does. Jake: But we have a guy they're going to suspend or trade have suspended Crow Rogers, Cromartie, because he left. Justin: He left the he left the sidelines early during their loss against the charges.

42:01 Justin: And then they had told him you're not playing in the next game because he did that as a disciplinary action. Right. So on Wednesday, which is yesterday, he. showed up to practice and then just left. And then they're like, all right, he's suspended for how long? For as long as we decide. Jake: Just basically like this is going to take a really good player, not play him ever. This is that good combination of where you are, where you're a terrible team and you're losing the locker room. Do it so you can fire. So here, here. Justin: So the Cowboys are not playing this week. Right. They're on by. And Jerry Jones came out and said. I'll spend all I'm gonna suspend anyone who doesn't stand for the anthem. Yep. I hope to God that des Dak and Elliott all all just come together and wait and just just all of them Yeah, wait, wait, it's like Godfather that big three right? He's the God sure it wouldn't to Lee the whole team team fuck them all of them just kneel totally agree put but I really like for like dack to do it Jake: I'd like the whole the whole team from start to finish to go or would be even better the whole offensive line Just goes down down Justin: Let's see what happens now right I I want to see like the superstars though like yeah dack and ellie Yes, the two of them if it was just the two of them. Yep, Neil. Yep Jake: I totally agree. Yeah, I want you to. I want you to bet your money where your mouth is. You fuck. I want the whole team to do it because then it'll be better. Like, how could you just spend the whole team? Well, you can't. Well, you could just forfeit. Just forfeit the game. Like if you really are that. Listen, I know we try not to get into this, but I can't stand this bullshit about that in this country that was made on nothing but protest and the freedoms to do things. The freedom to protest and free speech is beyond anything. And this, to think that we're making, they're not spitting on burning flags, they're not whatever, they're not disrespecting America. They are protesting something that is real. That is allowed in this country. End of story. I don't care where you do it. If you do it at work, if you do it ever. And the president and the owner of the company has the right to Again, as long as you're not disrespectful, meaning you're putting your finger... You're like, fuck yous to the sky, or holding your dick and humping the American flag, or you know, like, that to me is disrespectful, but protesting of like, doing something solemn, or going down, I think it's fine.

45:00 Jake: I think it's fine. It's brought up and the conversation is a conversation we have, because we're so fucking... Backward ass and what a farce last week with with our vice president Justin: flying from California all the way to Indianapolis to Quote see Peyton Manning get his right in Indy But if anyone deals because they're playing the Niners So what a setup right if anyone kneels he's gonna leave because he's disrespected. He's many left, right? Jake: Again, I did you don't get to watch football. Fuck you again. I like that it's happening. I hope it keeps happening. as long as the conversation keeps going. This is something that our country has to talk about. And I like the people who are making us think about it. I wish they'd make stink about us. I'd like people to kneel and make us think about our environments being destroyed or kneel and say, why are teachers paid? garbage-collectors. There's a lot of things to think about. This is important. It's our way of dealing with things as opposed to bullshit that they usually do. Justin: Alright back to the shit news. At Denver. Denver favored team. I had a hard time with I can't do that. I'm picking the Giants even though I really think this has like the It'd be like 23 to 10 right and you don't cover but you've kind of kicked their ass, right? Jake: Strings defenses now 20 to be a push. Well, it's not a win right? Yeah, it's a loss. Uh, I Would I I think macadoonies be fired because this this experiment with taking the MVP quarterback and the MVP two-time winning Super Bowl champion. He's not a head coach. It's bullshit. And changing him. I'm like, the guy is a fucking two-time champion. Why don't you put all your your money and time into giving him more time in the pocket? Like they did with E, what they did with his brother, they did- Let's give him more time in the park and let's give him weapons. Justin: You know what the problem is? They're trying to run the Green Bay offense without Aaron Rodgers. Who can run. Who can get away from all those sacks that Eli takes. And doesn't need guys to get open in 2.2 seconds, because he can make a play last for eight seconds. Right. He and Russell Wilson- are kind of the only two guys who have this crazy ability to make a play last for like eight seconds long Maybe Big Ben back in his head. It's coming up, they're down Tony Romo was able to do it

48:03 Jake: He'd like spin around or what are the Watson's getting there? It's like these guys who just fast on their feet Eli stands there Justin: Yeah, he stands there, but he needs a pocket to throw and he can throw Jake: And the play after it works. And you got the time in the pocket. Totally. I don't know how good the line is. It would be. But you should do that right now. That'd be the fun trade that you'd never, ever, ever have. All right. Monday night is terrible too. Is also bad. It's a division game, but it's bad. This is one of those at least. This is where there's also no line. There's things I don't love about fantasy like that. You know, people are in the stadium rooting for the Patriots because they have, you know, Tom Brady on the team like that shit I hate about the fantasy. But I do love about fantasy is it makes any game watchable because like I got I got fucking, you know, whoever the fuck anyone on Dennis here in the there's no lines. I'm just going to I don't think I do. I might have somebody on one of those teams. Justin: Why is there no line, Marriota? Jake: Again, I like watching mario to play. I'm gonna take tennis. I actually watching brisket and and mario to it's like fun Just watch run around a little And now we'll get to the r That's the Justin: First time this pick them all yes Jake: Yeah. Yeah, that's true. I'm picking fucking I don't pick the Jets every week. So like my chances actually get it for anything Justin: I've had a three and one, you know we against the Jets. Jake: So, Miami's in Atlanta. Um, Buffalo's on a buy so we got nothing. Right, Buffalo's out this week. So we got one game to talk about before the Justin: Gs, and Miami's in Atlanta. Atlanta. Atlanta's favored by 12 and a half. That actually sounds about right. Miami stinks. We have a hard time scoring. Atlanta's got pretty good defense. Atlanta's got a very explosive offense. I mean... Jake: How could Atlanta not just dominate this game?

51:00 Jake: I just don't know how Atlanta can't win by more than two touchdowns. That seems like an inevitability. It seems like it has to be. It feels like if I just close my eyes, they're already up by 21. Justin: Here's the thing. Atlanta's gonna be like somewhere around 30 points, right? So somewhere between 27 and 35. I think somewhere, I think 30 and above. Right? Like that seems inevitable. Like they score points. and Miami has a really hard time scoring more than 10. Right. So how is this? So I'm gonna go with 30 to 10 Jake: as my score and just round numbers and say that the Falcons take this one. I'm gonna go 34 20 because it'll be 34 13 and we'll have a um We'll have a a have this gut that I feel like there's gonna be a J Cutler game because I think that's what the entire Miami Dolphins are waiting for. Where's the J Cutler game? Like the game that comes out and plays like that guy who, you know, at times had extreme talent. Never really could put together consistent talent, but he had games, sort of fucking winging it around the field, and you'd be like, oh, Justin: Brett Barr. Yeah, and he's got weapons. Yeah, I mean, Landry's very good. Yep. Right. Parker Parker's like he's not just have four catches all season. There's something big and fast. That's crazy. Stills as fast. He can go down the field. Do you think the one thing he can do is just weigh down the field. Jake: You run me throw 50. Go deep. I got it. It's a third, third, third to touchdown. It's an interception or it's a well, it's like or it's a penalty or it's incomplete. you have atlanta all right and then we move right along to the uh game of the i am as day i am the least excited about a jets I just am not excited. Why? Do tell. I don't know. What's hard this season just doesn't feel exciting. It feels like there's this we're in the news. This is for first place. It is legitimately for first place. It sure as fuck is literally we could win this and be in first place. First place. Then do you feel like that that's a legit first place? Place. If you beat the Patriots, I feel like it's legit. Like through six games or in first place. Here's my thing. I think we're a team that are just enough above average to beat bad or mediocre teams, but we're below average enough

54:03 Jake: to beat, to beat anybody of any talent. And if I look at the five games we've played and the quarterbacks we, played against, again, our secondary is done. a running game, they've led up large runs, except, that was against dolphins, There was no 40 yard run. No, Oakland had multiple 40 yard runs. I agree. But I just don't. So again, I'm just it's hard for me to get all jazzed up because I don't feel like this team can go far far as an oncom going, this is a playoff caliber team. Maybe they win this game and then they show me that there may be a playoff caliber team, but you have to put together a string of wins. That being said. Here's the thing, I think the Patriots are beatable. I rewatched the game last week. I rewatched the recap of the, cause I watched the first half live, the Patriots bucks. You know who's very inconsistent? Tell me. On the bucks. James James Winston inconsistent as shit. Justin: And I just like to try and throw the ball into tight spots. Jake: And I was looking at and I was watching. I was like, wow, if McConaugh's back there, he could actually make though he wouldn't be as inconsistent. We could actually move the ball a little bit. I think we can run the ball. Power being out. It's going to be really tough. Justin: I don't know how out. That's really tough. Really. I mean, you forget how good he is catching. Yes. Forte back. Jake: I don't know yet. Which is what I've, also the other thing I look at the Jets, they the Jets haven't scored over 23 points. Justin: No, we're not going to. Why do you think we're gonna score more than 20 points? Well, but okay. Jake: In a given game. But if you just told, if I just told you, you gotta score 20 points, you can never score over 20 points and you're gonna play the Patriots. Yeah, it's just, you're not gonna win a lot. Losing recipe. You're not gonna win. The only way to win against the Patriots, and we've done this, which happened a couple times, and we've missed a field goal and not won, but we've done it in. is you gotta hold him low, you gotta get to Brady, which is happening this season, and you gotta score. You can't make the mistakes, give them the sure thing. Here's what I'm gonna do if I'm Bill Belichick. I'm gonna put on my Bill Belichick hat, hold on. Raw, raw, raw, raw, raw, on to New York. You know what he'll say in the press, he'll be like, McAllen's really playing great, I think, he's a real great player. He'll just blow up somebody who's the guy

57:01 Jake: who he thinks is the worst player on the team. If I'm doing anything, I'm just gonna stop every semblance of any kind of run that you could possibly have. I will load the box and I will dare the fuck out of you. He's got real talent on his secondary. They're not playing very well. Well, that's the thing. They're not... if they're not playing very well, then they're not very good. Justin: Well, I don't... they've been good. How's that? Like, Malcolm Butler to me is good, but he's not playing great. You're right. I signed Gilmore. He's not playing great either. No, but... But they're talented and they're also very very weak against the run Jake: I I agree, but I think they're gonna gotta be able to run on them I think they're gonna go all out to try to stop because again The you know the bill of the Patriots way is to take your one thing away from you. Well. There is no one thing We're not really good at any one thing. We're not good at really much of anything. So it's running. It'd be the only thing that if you want to beat the Jets, I'm going to Rans into the quarterback who has won four games. So five games in the last three years make him win against me. And I'm going to play. short ball all over you, your young safeties. You're not gonna be able to cover any of these fuckers. And I'm just gonna think and duck my way down the field and I'm gonna bust it through. I'll maybe maybe get one or two big runs. I got three running backs. You got one. And I'm just gonna keep you going and make your defense tired. And by the third quarter, I'll be up to 35 points and you'll be at 13. That's how I'm gonna win the game. That being said... The chance to win this game is McCown has to get rid of the ball fast. He cannot just sit back there. They don't pass rush and maybe that's a good thing for us. But we cannot make mistakes. They will not let you make those mistakes and get away with it. The Browns, you can make massive mistakes. Total mistakes. And you can make away from it. You can't do that. The only way to win this game is to play sound football, almost play perfect, run it up their ass as much as you possibly can if we have the talent to do so. So I'm saying we're gonna win. We're gonna score the most points we've ever scored all season long. 24. I want to keep them to... 23 points, which again I would have thought was impossible until last week. Last week I'm like, oh, okay, we could actually maybe keep them to 20, 23 points. It's the only way to win this game. Not gonna win a shootout. I'm gone on the fantasy that we can actually score 30 points. You could win 24, 23, Jets win. Let's do this shit. Justin: Okay, you can write down prediction. Yeah 52 to 2 Yeah, I don't see how we win this game Jake: Well, how but the whole point of this segment is you to tell us how you would how we can win the game It's called keys to the castle. It's not called Justin is pessimistic Justin: Brady Um dies and uh his backup his backup could be so dies and

1:00:08 Justin: Bill Bell check Gets like roofie before the game. I don't know. I don't really all right Huh, I mean their defense is vulnerable Maybe we just have some Jake: Long sustained drives just Gronk playing And play discipline reportedly returning great Justin: Play discipline because they will catch you in these weird Packages on defense and then keep you in them. Oh, yeah, or you'll just have 12 men on the field. Yep. They just do. That so It's a coaching thing and I feel like this will be a great learning experience for the Jets But I just can't see them winning I Think they're gonna lose and I think they're gonna lose I'll give the defense a little credit. I think they're gonna lose 24... 17. Jake: Okay. If we can play better than expected... If we keep the Patriots at 24 points, I think... I'm gonna give the defense a little credit here. I don't know why we couldn't win that game. Because we can... we can be... keep up with a 24 point game. Like, we can't keep... we've done 23. I don't know if we... Can't against that defense. Here's the key some of the best defense. Here's the key to the game Justin: Here it is win the castle. He was keep the castle stick to the branding when the coin toss defer Jake: In overtime no, okay. No, don't let them get that ball to start the second half cuz Alright, we'll be back next week. Win losers. to draw. It's Jake and Justin saying, until that time, let's go Jets.