Miami Makeover

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Onan! What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to get a lamentation of their women.

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Machine transcript generated in 2026 by Grok Bot from the episode audio (Whisper small.en + sherpa-onnx speaker diarization). Speakers labeled Opening / Jake / Justin. Timestamps about every three minutes. Diarization note: HOST_LOCK: after Opening, host/welcome voice = Jake; other = Justin; host-welcome cluster=1 @ 25.3s → Jake; other-primary cluster=0 → Justin; intro-self-ID Jake confirms host; Justin name in host line kept on Jake (HOST_LOCK); Jason-ref Jake cluster 1 sim=0.85.

00:25 Jake: Ever. I'm Jake. Joining me 285 times in a row is Justin. Justin, how you doing today? Justin: Um, I don't know. I might get overturned. Whatever I say, I'll just change it. Jake: randomly. Yeah, um, just rewatch the game like an hour ago. Yeah, good. And uh. How'd it go? Who won? You don't know who won? Um, yeah, so a couple things really popped out that when I rewatched it, a couple just thoughts. Maybe my who's impressed and who depressed. Uh, watching McAllen is depressing. because he kind of gave up the ball twice when we We had a chance two really bad throws two interceptions Again, if I think about it like if you say you're up against the Patriots 14-0 You have got to turn over two turnovers against the Patriots at that point And you're only leaving them like with a minute something left to go We had everything we wanted Even if you take away the fucking penalties Which we will talk about the fucking penalties or the non penalties because there's I think three calls There's four calls one of which I thought was fine. I didn't love it, but But three calls which rewatching one we know about most terrible call ever Maybe in the history books. We're calling it the what fumble not the butt fumble the what fumble. It's pretty good Justin: Yep, how do we spell that? Just what we can't spell w u tt Jake: What yeah, maybe like a what like a but uh, I think the other two are more important. There was the pickup off the uh helmet to helmet that that the guy hit robbie anderson he helmet to helmet hit him they threw a flag they sure did then they picked it up sure because oh i didn't see it right i saw it i mean i don't mind if you like go to the replay when this is one of those things where i will continue to argue even though this is not a great game of not not a good week to argue that everything should be replayable but there should be things that are replayable at least because that when you look at the replay his head moved sideways as the other helmet hits his face in his face mask what if you looked at in a replay where it said helmet to helmet put Justin: the flag back down maybe not maybe they would have been like right and we didn't see his face Jake: and then the other one was the passing interference against gronk bullshit

03:02 Jake: Absolutely. But Gronk is holding his head down. Justin: Who's him? Jake: I think it was May. Justin: May or else? Was it Lee? Jake: No, I don't think it was Lee. Justin: No? Okay. Jake: Holding his head down. He's trying to turn his head around. He's trying to get up and then like Gronk's holding him down. It could have been offensive pass interference. If you really look at it, it could have been up. To call that and then into the end zone to set them up. But here's even with that, guess what? Again, after rewatching, which again, you get excited in the game. You don't kind of know how it's going to happen. We had two chances to go down the fucking field and just win the game. We could have gone down twice. Justin: We didn't know. We never had a chance to win the game. Jake: No, we had two chances to go down and score and to make the game even. Justin: That's not winning the game. Well Jake: Sorry, two chances to go and not lose the game meaning I don't mind you go to overtime We've we can stack them up in overtime But again, if you look at all the stuff all the stats is like, okay holding the 24 points Jesus Christ You're that's a miracle you hold the Patriots to 24 points miracle miracle, right? Miracle on ice how many times do we drive down and have to punt in that second in that second quarter? If there was this chart they threw up and it's like again, you don't see this when you're in the stadium You don't really you're not paying attention to it, but it's like punt punt punt interception punt punt. This is just the first half Like they just couldn't get going and then those third and ones that they then turn into fourth and ones You gotta stop running it up the middle when you can't run like do something else do something creative Three or four plays these short plays we got stuffed and we couldn't keep the ball going. So that's sort of like my overall thing is like, we had every chance to win the game. The defense did, even though they gave up huge chunks of plays, but if not for a couple really terrible penalties, this was a winnable game. And so in some ways, if you want to do on the positive outlook, like we played a pretty good game. And I think the rest of the NFL and pretty much every other fan, including Giants fans are walking up to me today and being like, yeah, I'm so sorry. It's the worst fucking call I've ever seen in my entire life. They're literally comparing it to the to the tuck rule like in terms of how terrible it is. Justin: Which team benefited from that one? Mm. So. Mm. Jake: Mm. That's it. Mm. Let's get the fuck out of here. I don't know. What else do you say? Who like who debressed and impressed on your- Justin: Well, can I give my little thoughts on the game? Jake: Sure. What's your thoughts on the game? Put that into the- Let me put that in the- Justin: Hahahaha. Thoughts on the game. Ah. We played a pretty good game. We had a good game plan. We played really well on defense. I was very impressed with the defense. To give up 24 points to Patriots is very good. To hold Tom Brady to 20 of 38. That's 52%. Tom Brady, that's not a number that's normally next to his name in a box score. He threw a pick. That's also not something that's next any screen dropped another one. Yeah, so could have been two. Yeah, easily.

06:01 Justin: So they had a good game plan for him. That big stuff that they like. Yeah, they're like they gave up a couple of big plays. The wrong way down the ground. Way down the field. The play to cooks at the end of the half. That was a big one where you give up seven and they get the ball. It's rough. That's the past man. That's what they do. I will I will take away from this game that, you know, getting screwed aside. Fine. Besides getting screwed. The team is the team is in a better position than I could have ever imagined that this team would have been after six games, like watching the team out on the field. It's a professional football team. Oh, I mean, that that is really not something I thought I'd be able to say at this point in the season. I thought like, all right, by now we'll get to this Pats game. We'll be like maybe, you know, oh, and five or one and four and they'll just come in and beat us like forty five to ten. And we'll be like, what the fuck? Yeah. They missed a few. The Pats don't miss vehicle things that they, you know, they did things that they don't normally do and pay. Again, I think the team is coming around. It is a professional football team. We have a young nucleus, a young core that should get better over time. There are a couple of guys that are not necessarily holding their own out there. And I noticed that they weren't on the field as much. Who? Well, Wilkerson, for example, was not on the field on third downs. He wasn't on the field on third downs and you could tell because he was the only guy wearing pink sleeves. Yeah He's like, where's the pink sleeve guy? Oh, he's on the sidelines. That was fun. So You know, we didn't sack Tom Brady He's tough to sack but when you it's one of those rhythm things like if you get to him you get to him And you sack him and you get him a bunch of times. We just weren't it just wasn't hating But we played a pretty good game against a good team. Foreign to team New England. We we could have beat him. As for the call on the goal line. It seems ludicrous by the book. I guess it's right, but the book is wrong. Let's put it that way. It's just by the book. He technically fumbled and he technically recovered his own fumble. But he did it. In a place where if you do it you get penalized as opposed to if he did it on the one Right if he did it on the one it'd be jett's ball on the one if he did it crossing goal line, which he did Jake: Then they get the ball. It's such a bad a fumble. I've watched this so over again a fumble at the ball I get it a fumble is when you lose control of the ball. He did though Justin: He lost control he did but it was never it never hit the ground but never hit the ground never hit the ground it never Jake: He was just he was just gaining control of it, lost it, but then gained right back control. To me, a fumble is when you fully lose control. I mean, he lost control of the ball.

09:02 Justin: That I mean, that's technically a fumble. The ball was out of his hands. But then he gained it back. He recovered it. Jake: It never hit the ground. It never did, but it doesn't have to. But it's different. Like it just wasn't. It wasn't he the guy hid it out and he pulled it right back down Justin: But what we're arguing is like we don't like the rule right? Oh, I agree, but the rule is the rule and by the rule it was called correctly what I don't really like is is the fact that the again I understand the spirit of the rule. The spirit of the rule is to if you're if you're running and you're on like the two and it's the end of the game and you know you're getting tackled to just sort of like fumble it forward by accident and by accident, air quote. And then, well, all right, you can't go go pick that up and be out of bounds or whatever it was like, that's the spirit of it is like, you can't fumble it forward into the end zone purposely. Right. Jake: Okay fine, I get that, but that's not what is like loss of possession. Justin: But that's not what happened here. Jake: If you fumble it out of bounds, you don't lose the ball. Justin: Again, that's not really what happened here. Jake: Well, the other thing that I don't think is going by the rule book is, you have to have empirical evidence. Yeah, there was no way. Rule it. The guy was standing right there. He watched it. No way. He threw his hands up, touched down. And yeah, you can go back and look at every little thing, but there's nothing to say that he lost full control of the ball for for any amount of time before he came down. If you look at the elbow, everything, nothing. Justin: All credit in the world, though, to the Patriots player who was standing there. I think it was Malcolm Butler might have been. He made the argument. Right away. Yeah, he saw it right away. He saw it. He's the one who caused it and he's the one who said he knew it. He said it. So credit to him for. actually being right because at the end of the day we can say that sucks and That is not really what that rule is for but It was correctly called if we didn't have a few other chances to go down there and score I'd like I do it. We were still losing at that point right like we scored that touchdown Jake: We're still down three right so it's not so we came down the field two more times, but that's not the way it works Justin: That's not the way it works. That's not the way sports work. You can't just say, oh, well, we scored that touchdown and then we're down three and then we got the ball back. You don't know. You can't just say, oh, and then you got the ball back down three because the Pats might have played it different and gone down the field and scored seven and it wouldn't matter. So that's not how it works. You can't just the Pats made the ball two more times and they did nothing with it. Jake: Because they were playing in it from a different position. Oh, but at one point they were only that we were down by seven That's right, which is not three and we still stop them, but it's not three It's different and they're different things remember we got the ball right around the fifth Wait a second We got the ball right around the 45 and then a huge Panels that drove us all the way back so we had to start at like the 20 and a pumper turn again Anybody else on any other quarterback that I actually trust in believe in and doesn't take these long sacks and doesn't just

12:02 Jake: throw bad picks when you're not supposed to, I'm like, we had chances to win that game all over the place. Never had the chance to tie it. We had the chance to go up huge on them. Well, we were. We were at 14-0. Not huge. I'm talking 21 points. You should look at those drives after we scored the first two. We kind of stalled, installed, installed, installed. They couldn't get it going. Justin: At the end of the day, I'm upset more about the, like... the circumstances by which we lost not necessarily upset with the outcome and the way that we played because I thought we played them really tough and that's a really really good team. We gave Jake: up way too many gashing runs where they run for nine to start. Yes we were definitely Justin: I mean, sitting there trying to stop the pass. Jake: And this is kind of what the season is. It's a hard season to look at. Because if you look at the actual numbers, it's like, oh, they ran for 118. You're like, OK, this didn't really gash us. I mean, that's a lot, but it's not like any one player. They don't have one player that's going to do it. Like, you know, 52, 44, 23. Justin: Yeah, Dion Lewis was. To me unstoppable when they could have handed him the bomb first down every time and it would have ran Jake: They were just getting these massive like chunks and it'd be eight Justin: Heaven first down first and ten eight yards like that that they could have done it all day if they wanted to and by the Way, they were healthy. So like they had Gronk. They had their full stable of running backs. They had their guys Jake: Here's here's some lessons for for our two safeties who both I think well didn't Anderson give up both Justin: Adam's good the touchdowns. Well, Adam's gave up Definitely the rub to Gronk. I don't know the other one was a long Yeah Jake: And then they and I think it was Adam's jumped in front to try to like get the ball and just went over him Gronk grabbed him then ran right in like like he would do to us a million times over like Justin: Gronk man, he's Jake: He's a Gronk. That's why he's the best in the business. I just kind of wish, I just kind of wish that, you know. Well, he's the best for a reason. He's not gonna be around forever. Two touchdowns, long of 33. All right. Anybody else, anybody else? Anybody impressed? Anybody looked at you like, oh, you know what? He was there. He played. Curly. Impressed? Jeremy Crowley had a nice First first quarter to add to huge plays like he played well Amazing catch and a great touchdown. Yeah, I'd run Justin: You know, there were a couple of guys who who impressed and there were certainly guys who who depressed for me I'll give me one impress one depressed. Sure. I I like this corner Daryl Roberts number 27. Really? Yeah, I thought he played a good game like he he's He's like the, you know, the second or the outside corner. He's the guy who they got to and they want to really go like into a like more than just I like Darrell Roberts. I think he's a nice player.

15:08 Justin: I think he'll be good for for a while. Claiborne had no K game. He did get beat on that one play to to Cookson. Hey, Cook's is fast and Brady's Brady's. So that will happen once in a blue moon or more. And Buster Screen, I thought, had a good game, too. Jake: So for me and the impret, you should add two picks. Justin: He had one. He should add two. Jake: is Jenkins. ASJ is turning into a real weapon out there. He should have had two touchdowns. In the west coast. Targeted 11 times, eight receptions. He got a couple that were big. They went back to him out there. Things like when someone didn't work, They just go right back to him. I mean he's big. He's that weapon. He's got good hands too. He's big. But you had eight- It had eight catches. No one Right. I mean, we'll see. Justin: It's west coast. It's five yards. It's basically a run play. It's like hey, throw it to a tight end. Jake: On the depressed, kind of a little bit. It's just I saw the play again and I just don't like it when, this is the difference between a good wide receiver is when you see the ball coming in and you're not in position, you should immediately go into defense mode and fucking Robbie Anderson, that ball's coming home. It's clear Butler's gonna take it. Like you should just fucking follow him. Just tackle him. Do what the fuck you need to do. Like tackle him, throw your dick in his face, whatever the fuck you gotta do. He kind of just goes. ... Justin: Oh, and then he gets it and then he kind of it's too skinny. It's too skinny. It's too skinny. It's too skinny Jake: What nine yards Josh? I mean that's that's really rush is for 21 yards. Yeah, that's right. The running game is really depressing Justin: It's it's not good and you know why it's defense is not a good defense Jake: No, what and watch that team watch that? Mccown at some points have all day. He was cooking a Rake back there. He was putting some icing on it Justin: He did throw for 350, right? Jake: That's Josh Mccown throwing for 350 on the jet. He's situationally terrible though, and that's like That's where good quarterbacks are made right in his situation We know what he is He's a 38 year old journeyman who's played for a. Shit ton of, teams yeah and someone else in there Justin: I know I'm saying well you will but then you won't you you'll be talking about a game that would be 35 to 3 maybe I think the thing that I don't I'm I really besides the situational Jake: interceptions Don't like he has this thing where he thinks he can scramble better than he can and he gets caught a lot in these long

18:04 Jake: And it happened again this time like he's just running around the back He doesn't know what to do throw the fucking ball away stop like you're not Justin: Roger he threw the ball away once or twice a couple times Jake: But he also gets sacked in huge situations to like throw the ball away Don't take a 10 yard sack. Yeah, just not like don't hold on to the ball if you think if you think he's Justin: Mean the young guys are gonna just get sacked great. They're not gonna scramble and throw They're just gonna stand there and get hit. Oh, maybe they will scramble and throw Jake: All right. I think you'll see one of them at some point, but we have to have a losing record before see Yeah, you'll see them at some point. You'll see them Certainly. No McCown's playing just well enough to kind of be good enough to kind of win enough games to kind of not get benched. Like, that's it. He's not playing well enough to really, like, do great, but he's not playing enough to look at the stat line, and you're like, boy, he's the reason he's there. You're not really hearing a whole lot of clamoring for the other guys either, though. No, because we're three and three. Yeah, you're just not hearing it. We're only six, and one of those kids is in. Justin: Probably by this point. Yeah, after this game. Right. Jake: So anyway, alright, let's move on. Any big injuries? I don't think there were the big injuries this game. We limped off a little bit, but... Justin: It was fine. Someone else came off and I think went back on. Buster screen came off at some point and went back on. The paths didn't have any either. It was a pretty clean game from that perspective. Jake: And not a lot of penalty wise, not a lot of penalties, except for they were huge, like big intercept, big you know, down the field. Also penalties that were called that were not called. Justin: Then I think picking picking up picking up a flag because you saw something and then someone else was like, no, you didn't. Right. You didn't see that. Like, oh, I guess you're right. And I didn't. You're right. I didn't see it. Alright who's your fool of the game fucker? That ref Jake: You know who else impressed just to go back to him just for a second I want a fuckin Justin: I want a dog. I want a fool. I was gonna say Tavares cadet like became a part of the offense. Oh, yeah. All of a sudden, you know, like three, three plays in a row where he just caught the ball. That's like, Oh, that guy, that guy's out there, which leads to my fool, which is going to be the tandem of Forte and McGuire. Because neither of them could get going at all against the team that you should be able to run the ball against. And again, this offense works best when the ball is. being moved on the ground. Blaupau was missed, although I don't know if it would have made much of a difference. He is the best of the short yardage backs, though. He's good at getting a yard. Yes, you need a yard. Blaupau. We could not. We could not get a yard to save. We tried so many different types of running plays. Well, a fake jet sweep. to and handed it to the upback which was Maguire that didn't work.

21:04 Justin: Just straight up handoffs that didn't work. Jet sweeps nothing like even I think they even tried like one play action type of thing and roll out and that didn't work either. There was nothing going on on short yardage. Blahpow is your short yardage guy. He'll get it every time. Jake: Missed him this week. I mean I could just keep picking Wilkerson for his lack of effort on the team But I keep I feel like I picked him last week Tom pick Anderson I mean he had a good good catches But I'm just so I that that that play and I can I think back to two years ago When the interception happened in front of Brandon Marshall and he goes and rips the ball away from him and then continues down the field Like it was nothing like It just bugs me that the guy just looked at it happening and didn't fucking do anything about it to think that was gonna be our Justin: Number one receiver now. He's just like maybe the number three receiver. I guess on the out. He's just an outside I mean this point curly is the guy like I will get curly and we talked about it Jake: We talked about it every third down. I'm like this guy just fucking throw to him He's really playing above and beyond curly curse Justin: Saffarian Jenkins are the top three and then whoever's in it running back is like the fourth option. But then they use Anderson and it's kind of working. I just wish... Jake: They just shove him down the field. Run down the field, dude. And it works. They got another one this time. He gets these long, right? You have a 32 yard catch. But that wasn't a down the field. That was a slant that he took. That was like on the final drive. He had four catches. Target, yeah, this is the thing. Targeted 12 times. It's a lot. Four catches. It's a lot of targets for not catching the ball. Justin: He had the most targets on the team. It's a lot for when the guy also throws at a 66 completion percentage. You're, you're well below that. Jake: He's definitely, he's definitely my. Justin: You're at 33. Jake: All right, let's move on. Let's go around the kingdom. Is this your favorite, usually your favorite new segment? I love how you do this. Go on. Well, now I'm going to fuck it up. All right. So we got some scores to discuss. Maybe some tasks. Ask the questions of the week. Started off Thursday night with the Eagles. The Eagles going up against the Panthers. Five and one Eagles now beat the Panthers. What do you think? Are we are the Eagles, the team to beat in the NFC? No, well, yeah, even with the Packers. I'm still unsure that they're gonna win their division All right, I'm sure bears beat the Ravens Are the Ravens tanking for us to season? No, okay That surprised me though Texans continue to be One of the one of the big powerhouses winning 33 17 over the needs JJ Watt win this Justin: Brown the Browns got a taste because it's like oh, here's the sky. Why could it look here? Yeah, probably okay Here's this guy. We could have or for net. Here's this guy. We could have drafted and oh Yeah, that guy we could have drafted last year wence's leading the five and one Eagles But couldn't have drafted once of course they did they trapped they traded out of there

24:04 Jake: Oh, you're talking about the Browns. Yeah, the Browns. Justin: Oh, the Browns. Oh, yeah. Two years in a row, they just leave these guys sitting there to draft guys in the second round, which very rarely works. Jake: Wow, I mean, they did draft Tebow. The Browns? No, no, not Tebow. I'm trying to think of the other guy. Tizer. Oh, no, the money guy. That's how Johnny Manzell. Justin: Well, they did draft three quarterbacks in the first round. I think it was three out of five years they drafted quarterbacks in the first Vikings beat the Packers Packers lose Jake: Lose Rogers for the season probably for the season Packers done now Justin: Very very interested in Brett Huntley when we ran in when we drafted petty Hundley was the guy I wanted Okay, interesting. Yes, I actually you can go back and listen when we did our draft thing Jake: I I know I said it. I know I said it on this podcast I loved him out of UCLA did pick Johnny Manziel as I did that too. You're right. Hey, you're right Justin: Saints destroy defensively the Lions the Saints are the Saints drop ants for real This surprised the shit out of me. They dropped 52 and I look at my fantasy team and Michael Thomas has 11 yards I'm like, how do they have 52 points? Jake: Dolphins go into the into the Falcons nest and win a game. How are they winning games? I don't get is a cover back. Is Atlanta knock not good Uh, Super Bowl hangover a little bit? Oh, they definitely have Super Bowl hangover. For the team that used to put up 40 points, which is insane. Like, are they really, like, are they good? I don't know. Redskins barely beat the 49ers. 49ers now. Justin: The Niners have this knack. Jake: They're always losing. Justin: They're losing by three every game. Excellent. It's fantastic. They're really good at tanking. It's like we're so close. We're like right there Jake: We just had a better quarterback. They're making the QB switch this week. They're putting in there gonna go with that rookie Justin: Yeah, that don't matter. They're gonna have Kirk Cousins next year Jake: Cardinals pick up Peterson and roll across the Buccaneers is Peterson back Justin: At least he was this week. I'm not willing to say that he's just gonna be a beast every week He was definitely out to prove something this week. Yes, I can't say that he's gonna do much next week though I don't know Rams But did you see how it worked out for both teams cuz New Orleans it like it gave Ingram like room to breathe and like Get rolling and he had a great game. He's good So it worked out cuz like they didn't have to squeeze Jake: Peterson into this situation that didn't the other two people who are good enough Rams now four and two over the jags. Look at her jags. My jags man. My jags Justin: My jags. You still think they're good? Yeah, I don't think they're that good. Hey Jake: Number one offense. The Rams are pretty good. Number one offense in the league is the Rams. The Rams. Pretty good Uh, they have a good coaching staff I predicted this one.

27:00 Jake: Stee-wars go into Kansas City. And they won. And win. The killer bees are back. Bell and Brown ran wild. Bell had a crazy game. Brown had an amazing catch. Oh, that catch was crazy. Again, that's the thing you do. That was an interception, but he turned it into a touchdown. Yeah, I'm going to take it from you, and I'm going to run into the end zone. Justin: Although the corner should have just. Jake: Caught it, but whatever. Dealers, I think, are back on. You think they're still a favorite in the AFC? Justin: They're one of. I think the three are the Pats. I mean, Kansas City, I think at the moment are the top, the Pats. And then the Steelers. Yeah. Beat if you beat the best, you know, you take a step up. They just match up. Well, they they they pointed that out. Whoever the TV people are, they pointed out like they've. Beat my last they beat them like the last three times they've played. Yeah, they've got their number pretty good chargers Jake: Raiders Raiders lose Or this is supposed to be this great my Cooper my Cooper's just Disappeared I'm off the planet and Raiders both two and four. I think the Raiders Adam. Why do they have marshal Lynch? Justin: Like they don't even use him like what's the point? Jake: I don't think he's as good as you think he is. Justin: Well that's the that's what I mean what's the point in having this guy? Jake: The surprising game of the millennium giants go into up against the best defense in the league think I predicted this one too. Justin: the best run defense for sure. Jake: The whole defense, the entire defense, and win 23-10, they run the ball. They're passing the ball. No doubt. Justin: You know what? That's a sign of that. Well, first of all, McAdoo handed off the coaching, the play calling duties. He didn't. No one knew until it was just happening on the sideline and the announcers were like, Oh, look, that's happening. This is this also points to. Your quote leaders in the locker room are not cancer. They're bad Oh, Del Beckham not good for the team Brandon Marshall not good for any team. Apparently we now know this for sure Cro Mardi not good for the team right like get these guys the fuck out of here. They're also their defense ahead Jake: One pick six or two pick six they their defense stood up this weekend Like yeah, fuck you and they started picking off semen. They picked that scene right off the ground. Yep But I mean it kind of shows it's like and they were able to run the ball. Yep. They little new identity on offense Yeah, we'll see if that carries through doesn't it seems like a we're not gonna go on six kind of thing Justin: Yeah, but what's going six like we're not gonna go on five. We're not going on four We're not gonna go on three like you said that last three weeks Jake: This is a prop. Well, but it worked I've said I think that's these teams have a bounce Justin: But they did a change up. Yeah, did it change they changed the play calling and they also they of these you to just get married Jake: mario goes in and at home against the 22 of this game I watch the angel or out there is a

30:04 Jake: I do. It's all... here's the thing, I... here's why I think it's... he will not be back for the season. First of all, they're now on a... they're on a slide. Right? What's their... what's their record now? What are the Colts? Justin: Uhhhh... I don't know, man. You can't start making a point without knowing what you're talking about. Jake: No, I... I... yeah, the two and four. Okay, that's not out of it. Well, but they're on a slide. They're not doing well. They're not winning games. And... Well, they don't have their starting quarterback. Andrew Luck. This is the owner said he'd be back by I clipboard. , he's practicing r. him is not working out, he's got brisket in there. No, no, no, but would you take him right now just to have on your team to see him play and see if he's good? Justin: But like, he's a second year player, so like, you'd have him and if you're starting him, you're obviously, they, okay, this is our guy. Jake: No, no, no, it's not, this is our guy. This is like, this is my whole thing. It's like, I'd rather have someone young losing the same games or even losing more that there's a future for. I'm just, I so don't give a shit about watching Josh McDaniel almost lose games. Justin: I think I'd be okay with... Jake: with the brisket. I can name 15 quarterbacks that are young that I'd be happy with. Justin: I think I'd be okay with like, yeah, we're gonna grow with this guy. Sure. Jake: But like, he's gonna start and he's our starter and he's gonna be our starter next year. win a billion dollars. Here it is. Ready? Yeah. It's never gonna happen. Okay. Hunley. Hunley, whatever his name is, comes out, blows up the world., He's gonna. He's gonna, they literally have the next Aaron Rodgers. They do. He's sitting there. They then move on from Rogers. Goodbye Aaron. Jets pick him up. I think that's what we need to talk about. I want Brett Hunley

33:04 Jake: Right my words yeah, it's gonna be good. All right. Let's get into some do some full pics Justin: How'd you do last week urs don't know tell me I'll tell you Jake: Yeah, you did you did seven I did six yeah, I picked up a game on you Justin: Yeah, not much though, but I picked one up. Yes, I'll take it Jake: I'm at... Leader is still Gareth in his terrible picks. Fuck you Gareth! And there's three of us in our 46ers, which is pretty good. You're waaaaay down here at 41. I'm catching up though. Uh, do you even have a winning record at this point? Uh, I think no. 41 and 47, I'm at 46, 42. Justin: I will take it all losers. All right, do not pay attention moving out I'm picking all the games against the spread gonna try my best to leave the AFC East out of it Jake: Cuz we'll come back to that later. Try Okay, either way good and a car was back. So there's no one like a and I was not back. Excuse like you still hurt Justin: Anyway, let's go to Sunday. How many fours? One two, three four four o'clock three of my 425 That's interesting three at 425. Yeah. I know nice very strange some good games at foreskin Jake: Alright, I love I love it. I do say well I love all the stuff and I watch a lot of games and I love going to games There's something nice. It's why like Sunday night and Monday night, especially. It's like, it's nice just to actually sit down and watch just a game. I'm usually not worried about fantasy at that point because it's just, one game and you're not watching. It's like, just watch the game. I get to watch the game and watch what it's doing and not be worried about the other seven games. Justin: I surprised the crap out of you on Sunday when we got home. And I think they are one of the creams of the crop. Carolina. Yeah, I know they fill it, but those are two really good teams. I think Carolina is a good team. I like them to bounce back with the long week, kind of like the mini buy. Right. Thursday game. So I'm going to take Carolina in favor by three. Jake: I think I will, too. I don't know if Chicago, their defense is not that good.

36:02 Jake: I don't think they can keep up. And I think Carolina's defense is OK if it were. Justin: Yeah, I'll take Carolina. All right. Tennessee is going to Cleveland and Tennessee is favored by seven. I'll take Tennessee. They just put up 30 something. They're good when Mario plays. When Mario plays, they score. Yeah. And Cleveland can't really score. Jake: He wasn't running around a lot. There's big things. Like they don't run around. Justin: He scored 38 points. Jake: Cleveland is in a tank mode. I'll take Tennessee. Justin: All right. New Orleans. At Green Bay, New Orleans favored by six points in Lambo. Come on, Brett. And my boy Brett. Brett Hunley, that is. Green Bay. No way. No way. No, no, no. Actually, put a. Side bet on this for you. Jake: The surprise, the surprise I've and especially last week is Noah's defense is not that terrible defense we always talk about. I can see them just racking it up. I don't think he's going to come out. There's too many injuries across. All of green bay. It's not just Brett far. Sorry, but it's not just fucking Aaron Rodgers. It's there's a lot of injuries They're just kind of plagued there. There's secondary is gone. This happens every year Justin: I know and then they're meaning the division conditioning they end up winning the division condition.-it is conditioning. All right, let's go. I Was gonna put a side bet on that. All right. What do you want to do? Jake: I don't know so I want to put out you want to double nothing your side bet that the count wins more than four Four and a half games four and a half games It's almost that one. Justin: Not looking good. All right. Let's keep going. Jacksonville is at Indy. Jacksonville favored by three in Indy. And looks like Fornett is fine. They said he could have came back. Back in the game relent down 10. So that's not a worry. Jake: Did they lose last week? Justin: They did lose. They're gonna win this week. They're gonna win lose every week. Yeah. They're gonna win. They're favored by three on the road which is crazy for Jacksonville to be favored on the road but I'll take them. Yeah, I will too. Okay. Uh moving right along. We have an interesting NFC West matchup with the Rams hosting. Arizona and a three-point game and I like the Rams the Rams they're good They have a running game. They've got some weapons. They've got they got a defense like they're a good team Yeah, I don't see a Drew Peterson carrying Arizona every week like that. That was a one-time shot You might get another one later in the year totally agree Jake: Although I would say it's a home field advantage, but there is no home field advantage in Los Angeles. So no Justin: Not really no. All right, but we both agree Wow interesting. Okay, Minnesota With good news on Teddy Bridgewater. He's back to he's been cleared and cleared to practice And now they basically have like three weeks to decide what they want to do That's gonna be quite a dilemma for them because guys have played like 14 months It's been a long time. He had a gruesome gruesome injury in training camp of last season, right?

39:00 Justin: And the crazy part is like they're winning with like he's Keenum. Right. Not Bradford because Bradford's injured too. So like when if they were to decide okay Teddy come on back. I think he's a free agent at the end of the year too. Is he? I believe so. It's like already Teddy. Jake: He'd want on the Jets for next year. Justin: He'd be a candidate because he's not a bad football player. He led them to the playoffs He can manage a team and he was the first round pedigree is the first round pick So yeah, I would look at him on a prove it deal for sure coming on Especially if he doesn't play this year right there like alright forget it. We're just going with like Bradford because we pay him a lot of money Anyway, Minnesota is hosting Baltimore. They're favored by five and a half. I Like Minnesota Baltimore's Well, I don't think they're tanking. I think their talent. They're devoid of talent. They're devoid of talent Give me Minnesota at home. Their defense actually pretty good Yeah, the defense is really good. It's pretty good. They're up there. Yeah, they're tough Okay, four o'clock and this is not national. This is the 405 This is weird because it's Dallas and they're usually on But it's Dallas at San Francisco. Can you imagine Dallas at the 49ers? What a historic right matchup of Rivalry is just a regional game. Dallas is in San Francisco favored by six. Gotta give me Dallas off the by. Sorry. I know San Francisco is playing everyone very close and tough, but they Jake: are with QQB. I don't know. I don't know. And what else do they have? It's not a lot. I'm Pierre Garcon. Just because he's on your fantasy team doesn't mean he's a lot. Justin: Oh, he's good. No. He is good, actually. All right. Seattle's coming here to New York, Jake: but to play the Giants. I know this was actually a game that I would... Like if the Jets run a bye, I would totally say to our buddy, like, I said to our buddy, I said, Justin: Oh, I think I want to go to that game. Jake: Yeah. But then I looked and it wasn't a bye week. So yeah. Anyway, a night game. I totally. Yeah. Justin: Well, it's for four 25. I mean, it's conceivable to get there for like, you know, the end of the first quarter. Like you just leave it like or for the one of those point after watch like hey go to Reds Jake: Yeah, go to Reds go to Reds watch the Jets then that actually wouldn't be bad boogie on over to the stadium Justin: I wouldn't be bad at all. Actually Anyway, Seattle is favored by six down from eight And I like the Giants. I think they're going to go on a little run here. I don't know if they're going to win the game, but it's going to be really close. Like they might lose in Giants style, like by a field goal at the end, but it's going to be closer than six because Seattle doesn't score very well, especially on the road. And I can see their defense like stepping up a little bit Jake: at home. They'll be off a win. I can see the, see the fans getting into it. Like, Hey, we're not, we're not just the parental losers. We might be able to squeak out something here. So yeah, I'll take six points. Seems too much. Yeah. Justin: I agree. Wow. Have we disagreed yet? Holy shit. This is bad because we picked these in advance too. So it's not even like we're

42:00 Justin: doing this on the fly. All right. No, I'm doing this on. Oh, you are? So maybe you're just copying me on. Not with your record. I'm not copying. No. All right. Division division game. Actually pick it before you say it. So this will probably be the national game. Pittsburgh is hosting Cincinnati. Pittsburgh's favored by five and I like them. Jake: Yeah, too much. Pittsburgh got home. They're gonna get their swagger back. They clearly got their players back. Guess Ben isn't retiring. Justin: Well, Lady On Bell, he didn't play the entire preseason. So like the first three games were like the preseason for him, like getting into shape and stuff. So yeah, I like Pittsburgh man. I had like 30 carries like the last two weeks He's just don't he's just an animal stop giving it to him. He's really good. All right, and then our last afternoon game We have the Chargers of Los Angeles at home where it'll be mostly Denver fans From what I understand. Yeah, because that's not a that's not too far. I feel like you can drive that one. Who is heard in this game that the thing is zero? No one's heard. So the I think Denver just had a bad outing and they're still. I mean, I feel like they should be favored by a lot over the Chargers. But Denver. Yeah, me too. It's moving on. It's. It's not off. It's it's actually pick them. It's a pick them now All right, can't talk about Sunday night, even though it's a great one. We'll talk about it in a minute It is well, we can't talk about it now but we will we got a good primetime games because Monday night is a division game and Philly hosting Washington and Philly's favorite by four and a half and While I think that it might be a tad much. I'm still gonna pick Philly Even though my my gut's telling me Philly, which is why I'm kind of going with it But my brain's telling me no, dude, Washington like they're not bad too much too much I feel like you're I feel like you're gonna pick up a game there on me. Yep I think so. Well, I don't know what you're doing with these other games, but let's go to the AFC East So last week, I went one-on-one and you went oh and two Jake: I went for my by the way before what score did I pick? 24 17 not bad Wow Pick dad except for you picked against the jet So yeah Justin: But I picked the actual score of the game doesn't matter fuck and we both picked Atlanta to score a lot of points against Miami Jake: And that didn't happen either. I mean I feel like I picked 23 24 Justin: Was right in there Jake: Right there you how do we not pick Atlanta to win? We both did pick Atlanta to win. No, I mean, how did the land not win? I haven't watched them yet. I haven't seen them on TV like I've seen them You know no me neither actually a full game Justin: I saw I've been looking at like some stats like Julio must be heard or something cuz he's not had a Julio season like I looked at it from a fantasy perspective right like he has not scored a touchdown

45:00 Justin: That's weird anyway, so We have camp at Buffalo And this is off at the moment. I think that's because of Winston. Winston hurt himself. Yes, it came in through three touchdowns, through a couple picks, through a couple touchdowns, two for two ninety two picks and two touchdowns. Typical Fitz Fitz magic. I think they lost. Yeah, I feel as though. Winston is... they've basically come out and they've said, Winston's not gonna practice all week. Plain and simple, right? But we're not ruling him out to play. And he's saying, I'm playing. I don't like that at all. I think that's a recipe for disaster. I think Fitz will end up in this game probably starting and probably playing and that's bad news bears for Tampa. That is a 21-13 loss to the Bills. Buffalo coming off a bye, rest it up. Jake: at home, starting to get cold. Better than you think. Better than we think. They have no weapons, though. Justin: Zero weapons. They still play. Well, they have weapons. Their quarterback's a weapon. And they're running. And they're running games a weapon. But that's it. Jake: They can't throw the ball. There's no one throwing. Their biggest weapon was Clay. And he's out. Right, he's out for a couple weeks. Justin: Yeah, but they still managed to. Jake: Make it happen. They still make the ball their wide receiver core looks like worse than our wires. They still move the ball So now he'll just scramble around and run somehow or another. They still very good I think Buffalo just come out here and beat them old-fashioned style 24 17. Let's go Buffalo and I want to win but whatever Justin: Okay, um Atlanta at New England Sunday night Super Bowl rematch what what New England favor by three and a half if Atlanta has any fortitude they come out there and they kick some ass like they go out there Out where? Out to New England. If I was in Atlanta, I'd be like, okay, Jake: Three. That's the dumbest prediction you've made all year. That's my score. I'm sticking to it Right cuz Tom Brady is gonna go without a touchdown in the game as it happened in like Atlanta is gonna be up 28 3 No, that's gonna be the game 28 20 So watching pretty closely both in on the field and in replay a

48:03 Jake: That three running back situation, although Okay, I can see sitting sitting there. There's a fucking Bell check team They got these three running backs. I just run around they got tons of weapons as always you got Hogan You got cooks you have fucking Gronk back means like What are you gonna do? I think Lana's defense is probably pretty good like from a defensive standpoint they're supposed to be this young whatever but they can't score this year for some reason I think it'll be higher scoring I don't see oh Oh crap, I missed it. I'm gonna do it the right way around. Sorry. Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo. Do not see. knowing and losing. I feel like knowing it feels like they lost this game to the Jets. Like we feel like we kind of emotionally maybe won because we didn't lose by a lot. Because they didn't kick our butts. Yeah, and then we actually like. So I feel like they're going to come back and be pissed. Justin: That's actually really funny. Jake: Right? They're like, we didn't win that game, but you did. No, we didn't. We lost. Like we didn't kill them. Justin: I mean, I could see that being like. a ballad check thing like Jake: Like we won, but they were just we won, but they played a good game Justin: We didn't play a good game. We didn't play good. We didn't play good enough. We just didn't play good enough Yeah, you won. Yep, but we just didn't play it. Well, what what did you where did you not play? Oh, yeah, like where did you not play good? We just there were a lot of us. We didn't play well enough Oh in particular not we just as a team. We didn't play good New England 31 Atlanta 26 we should give Bella check a funny voice when we do it Jake: All right. All right. Let's do the keys the castle for the game of century It feels like only a couple weeks ago. We played this team. Yeah, we did. Oh, wow. It's actually a thing Yes, we just played them home opener week three. They've actually gone ahead and won again won a couple I think they won last two weeks. Yeah Squeaking them out though. They're not like in fact both of them. They I think they were behind and ahead to like yeah, but they just beat Atlanta Justin: Which so did Buffalo maybe means something maybe doesn't Yeah, yeah, wow they run in the gauntlet cuz now they're playing New England and then they play us The following right? Yeah, they're really running the AFC East gauntlet. Yeah, which by the way turns out By the records it's not a terrible division. No, it's not by the records by the records. You can look and you'd be like, yeah But well,' we played Cleveland. Okay, the Jets play. I know we play Cleveland they play who else is of everybody else playing. Well, I mean, the only games that are different is we played Cleveland and we played Jacksonville. Right. Whereas, I mean, we're all going to play the entire west. The West is, I don't know. I mean, I yeah, Denver's good. Yeah, I think so.

51:01 Justin: So number one defense. Jake: The defeated Giants beat them. Chiefs are good. But, that's where it just went and beat them. Justin: No one's like, there's no- Jake: Chiefs are pretty, you can't just be like, Justin: and we and we and we and we we and and and and we and, to Jake: the I I I I Justin: It's in the moment though, in the moment. That Oakland team was really damn good. Yeah. And then all of a sudden they fell apart. Jake: So, all right. Justin: So we have the, let's do the K the keys here. Jake: What is your key to the castle to win this game? Oh my God. Are you actually predicting us to win the game? Justin: I am. Jake: This the first time off season. No, you picked us against the wind against Cleveland. I am. I am picking us to win this. You did. This is it. This is the second time this year. You're picking us to win the game. Justin: I feel like we got to run the ball. I mean, isn't that isn't that the key? Like we got to get the running game going. If you get the running game going and we run the ball about 30 times, that's a good thing. So let's get that running game going against that front of Miami who just wants to rush the passer and maybe not have McAllen throw the ball 45, 50 times and see what happens. Yeah, let's run the ball. It's good. Let's get that run game going. Jake: I feel like our defense, again, huge gashing plays. And but when you keep New England in the 20s, you've done something right. Well, we're not going against New England this week. I actually feel like we could keep this team. Got the cutlet. We got the cutlet. I don't think the cutlet's good. They're not a team that's scoring more than 20 points. No. We're not a team that scores more than 20 points. I don't see how why you predict the score the way you do. Well, because that's that's. That's 20 plus the field goal at the end. Justin: I don't see why I think we're going to score 20. Jake: Mikey the castle is, you gotta stop, I mean it's the stupid turnovers. We had two chances to kind of go ahead by more, you know, is that winging it down the field? Justin: We turned it over three times.

54:01 Justin: One of which was the... Jake: Jenkins turnover which is a bullshit turnover times like that's the problem. You gotta stop throw the ball away Justin: I'd rather punt this is a better a better Pass rushing team then much then who we just face. Yeah much better Jake: Sometimes you play up and down. There's no that's terrible. They're probably not as good at scheming. No I don't think it's well coached. No. And I'm not worried about Jake Cutler just sitting back in the pocket ripping us apart Justin: No short throws cuz there are times you think you have you think you have Brady Right and he just takes two steps forward Right and he's standing there by himself for about five seconds and throws the ball perfectly to someone who's open because you can't cover Anyone for more than five seconds So, I— —Color doesn't do that. He—he's—he's not of that mindset. Jake: I mean, I predict us to win every game because that's what I do, and I'm a Jets fan, and I see that we can win every game. Like, we had the chance to win against New England. Um, but I actually feel like we—we will win this game. I kind of feel oddly—wait, wait, hold on. What's this feeling inside? It's strange. It's making me hurt. I feel a little— you Justin: confident that we're going to win this game. Yeah, me too. I don't like it. It's actually bad. I feel like it's better that we just don't feel this way. Jake: No, I think I think we can actually win this game. I don't mind. He's that good. I think it's tough to sweep a fucking division opponent. Justin: But look what happened the last time. I feel like we had this feeling, which was. a bad game against the Browns. It's like, yeah, we should beat them. And then we went out and we did beat them, but we didn't really play very well. Jake: Well, that's what I kind of feel like. I don't think we're gonna dominate. I think we're gonna win 23-16. Stop the fucking turnovers. Give the ball. I mean, fuck it. Give it to Cadet. I don't care. Give it to somebody. Not really a runner. Forte actually played okay in that game. Like he caught a lot of balls. So good. If that's your running game, that's your running game. Well, Justin: that is the running game. That's why I've been counting through for 355 or 354 or whatever, because a lot of it's like five yards at a time to Jenkins or to Forte or wide receiver screens or whatever. To the purpose of which is to gain six yards on first down, which is like a running play. It's a very safe pass If I were playing the Jets I'd be up in their face Like beat me deep go ahead right try. We can I mean you just have one guy can that one guy can Jake: Anyway, I think it's a big game. I think the weapon we found, which is great, is a tight end. Like, look at this. Hey, guess what? Justin: You can actually win games if you use a tight end. Like in a big... Go figure. Some of the best offenses in the entire league have great tight ends. Chiefs. All right. Jake: Thank you. Justin: Those are like two of of the better offenses in the league. They've the two best tight ends. Jake: Oh, even I mean, pretty much everybody think about has a good tight end. Like who's a good team.

57:01 Jake: I guess the Steelers are the one you'd be like. James is OK. Serviceable Dallas. I guess you say Witten, but he's still very good. Justin: Very dependable. Jake: Catch the ball. You throw it. He catches there. He's there. He's there. He's down the field and he falls forward. Yeah. He boxes a guy out, he just sits there. Yeah, so I think they win 23-16. Let's go Jets. So that's it, we'll be back. Justin: No way, I didn't even say my score. Oh, what's your score? Jake: Dude. What, you're supposed to say it after you meet Victor. 17-13. 17-13. Nice, that's a low score. Yeah. All right, we'll be back next week. Win, lose, or draw. We haven't done a Monday, but I guess we did a Tuesday and a loss, so you got that extra. We'll see you then, you can follow us in all the usual places. Until then, it's Justin and Jake saying, let's go Jets. Thanks for watching, and until next time, take care.