Winnable Williams

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Onan! For this best in life. To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and they'll hear the lamentation of their women.

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00:09 Jake: 3, 2, 1, Go! Jetwave! Welcome to the Jet Kingdom Podcast. Longest running New York Jets Podcast on Planet Earth. Mars. to be excluded. I'm Jake joining me for three hundred and twenty three times in a row on this glorious Tuesday trading Tuesday. It's Justin. Justin, how are you doing? What? Justin: It's not like Saturday or like we usually do it far enough away. Jake: We usually do it later in the week, but I figured maybe this time we'd do it early in the week so we could not pay attention to Jess the rest of the week. Or maybe it's changing it up so we'll actually win a game. Justin: Or that or I mean we probably should have waited like two more hours. Jake: Because the trade is traded on today. Justin: It's today at like 4.30 or 4 and it's currently. It's today, Tuesday, October 29th at 2.20 right now. So you're gonna hear about things that we know of as of about, you know. We can talk rumors. Right around three o'clock. We had the conversation. We'll be right when this ends. So you'll know what we know at that time. We had the conversation last week. So shit happens like within the hour and a half that we are not doing this anymore. Are bad But we do have a traitor ready to report on which we'll talk about throughout the but first look first I know I want to talk about the trade stuff first, but we'll let that man. Yeah, let's let it marinate Jake: Let's talk about the game. Let's talk about that game that Jacksonville Jaguar. So Admittedly, this is very rare for me I almost always am watching the game generally either at the game or watching at home. I happened to be, I had a friend who needed some support, emotional support was to call it. So I was not at home, but it did get put up on the TV. So I kind of like watched. You know maybe the second quarter then the third quarter and then got frustrated So but it wasn't really paying attention So I went back and watched the rewatch the thing this morning the condensed version on game pass game pass for all those losses you can rewatch them and Which is nice it is nice even in a I mean in a win It's just awesome to go back and rewatch in a loss. It is it's rougher but For a game that I wasn't really paying attention to it was kind of like oh, oh, oh and then you just start to see things You're like, oh, oh and my first thought was Look at this eight for eight down the field touchdown First touchdown all season in the first drive of the year. Is that correct?

03:02 Justin: I think that dates back more than just this year. I think that goes back like last year maybe. Jake: I was going, I was going, look at this. The ghosts are gone. We hired the ghostbusters. The ghosts were not gone. Well, for the first drive. Justin: They were trolling the shit out of Sam, by the way. Jake: Oh, the whole time on the line? Like, whoo. Justin: Like, their mascot was dressed as a... ghosts the entire game yeah and they're playing Ghostbusters theme music yeah I mean you should do that shit but do it yeah not really yeah we do it whenever Jake: there's whenever whenever playing a posing team when they come out we play a Justin: song that makes fun of them only under Todd Bowles no that's not true Maybe rek started it but gaze doesn't do it. Well Jake: What's your else? Gaze doesn't do win? So fuck anything good anything good at all? I are you a hundred percent on the fire gaze? Yes, you still yeah Justin: No, I'm still a hundred. I've been there since nothing. I think week two or three Jake: Nothing. He's done has convinced you no, no actually Justin: All the things he's done has only reinforced what I feel the fact that he's fired at the end of the season. Jake: Yes, I agree. But this kid's not going to survive. This is why this is the tragic thing. He's got a thumb. Yep. Justin: His foot got stepped on last week. He's going to get a knock. Yep. Sacks did he take. I don't know I mean you could have thrown eight picks or you could have taken eight sacks like it's it's one of these crazy things where I don't understand on the first drive they go down the field it's almost like they got baited. Jake: He was sacked 8 fucking times. Justin: And was under pressure how many times? How many hurries were there? I don't know a lot. I mean it was probably like a billion. There was a lot of pressure and three interceptions a lot a lot a lot of pressure and I'll tell you I mean to even complete 70% in this game under that much pressure It was a bad game eight sacks three picks bad bad bad game nothing really else to say about it like we we had no answer for the fucking Jacksonville Jaguars defense I know with all their backup linebackers on the field and not having Jalen Ramsey and it just makes no sense to me and the fact that I'm sorry it's okay I'm just gonna keep going here okay that I'm sick and fucking tired of drafting the same fucking guy. This is an explicit podcast last night. Now it is. Jake: Now it has to be. Justin: It has been. It's the longest running explicit New York Jets podcast on the internet.

06:04 Jake: So true. Justin: So. I'm sick and tired of this drafting of the same goddamn player every year in Quinn and Williams because Mo Wilkerson and then Jake: After that Richardson. Yeah, there's one more. It was one before Wilkerson. There's uh There's another guy before Wilkerson. It was the same guy Four Wilkerson? Yes, I'll pick up, I'll find the draft. Justin: Oh, Vernon Goldston. Jake: Yeah. No, even before that. At least he was an edgerusher. No, there was one in the middle. Justin: At least Goldston was an edgerusher. And he just sucked. But Wilkerson, Richardson, Williams. Williams. Four guys. Picked in the last 10 years. The only one left is Williams because he's a rookie. And these guys... Koppels. Oh right, Quentin Koppels. I was right! But again, that again, an edge guy. Jake: But but but going back, Wilkerson, Koppels, Richardson... I mean, I guess we skipped a year here. Williams. Lee. Adams Sam and then Shepherd though second round third round pick second round oh third round okay second pick but fine then Queen Williams I'm sick Justin: and tired of this because these guys don't I don't do shit they just like they're supposed to clog up the run and on the second play in the fucking game Leonard for net bust one for 60 something Jake: It was ridiculous. Justin: And then you're watching on the other side of the ball is the guy that a lot of people wanted the Jets to draft. A lot of people wanted the Jets to draft that guy, Josh Allen, not the quarterback Josh Allen, but the guy who is a pass rusher and he fucking got two sacks on us. There's their rookie. getting two sacks on us. I don't even know if we have two sacks all year. Jake: Question. Is Blessom, Blessin Austin, the guy we drafted in the sixth round, is he, have you, is he, is he live? Just bless him. Have you heard of a man named Blessom Austin? Justin: I think he's on like an injured reserve. Jake: the Justin: And we have exactly one player. Jake: And he's on injured reserve. Justin: And he's on injured reserve. Jake: That'd be Quinn and Will.

09:00 Justin: When Quincy Inuma we do not like the core of your team right now, and we have none of the players William Smith Jake: Maldon Petty Harrison sim Simon Simon nope prior Amaro McDougal Sanders Evans dozer George Dixon, Nunehwa, Encompalli, Boyd and Riley, Trevor Riley. Yeah, all those players, one is on the playing. Justin: And the other punches starting quarterback in the face. Great draft. Jake: Oh, looking back, I think the 15, you're saying 14, 15, 14. No, 15, 16. Oh, 15, 16. Lee, Hackenberg, Jenkins, Burris, Shell, Edwards, Peak. Justin: Yeah, there's a couple guys left there. Like, this should be like the core of your team. Like especially the first couple round guys, like those first round guys who can't just keep fucking missing. And we keep missing. I hear you. And Quinn and Williams doesn't make me feel good. It's like, oh good, a fucking defensive lineman who plays inside and is not named Aaron Donald. Jake: I name the picks that don't happen. They had two or three fumbles, two at least, that we should have gotten, we didn't get. Two or three picks we should have gotten. Like it's just that type of stuff, this team is just not, there's just no talent. And like we went into the season saying there's so much talent everywhere, granted we've lost people, but like... It's just, it's just talentless. I think whatever they're doing now, good. Get rid of, we'll talk about the trade or the trades or what can happen. Pick your fool of the game. Justin: Jesus Christ, I mean, everybody? No one played. No one showed up. Jake: I'd love to actually showed up Adams way chase down for net from behind from 10 yards behind him chasing as he was Justin: second play the game, it's nice, um But I mean now I'd love to just pick The offensive line instead of just singling out a single individual. Can I do that? Jake: Sure. Yes, I can it's my podcast. You can do whoever you want. No official your podcast. You don't know anything. You know, but But, I mean, have I picked Gates yet? I just don't think that this coaching staff has any sense of like, like they see things happening. You know what, they need to go to New York, go down the subway, because they need to see the sign. What's the sign say?

12:02 Jake: If you see something say something because what I see them doing is they see something happening, but they don't say something to fucking fix it There's zero halftime adjustment. You've seen it any game every game They just tank in the half they don't look like they play even the The second half we got them back in. They are who we thought they were. Justin: There's a lot of noise right now at the trade situation's going on. Jake: Oh, is it? Justin: A lot of noise happening out there. Jake: Which channel are you in? Are you in our internal chat? Justin: I'm in an internal channel getting fed external information. But is there real things? I mean, some of them are. Looking realer and it depends you gotta look at like who the Twitter accounts are right? Let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. It's talked about the trade So we already wait so trade lines tonight trade deadlines in about an hour and a half. It's at 4 o'clock Sweet awesome. So we're gonna come up just short of that which I'm sure will mean we miss something big, but Let's talk about what already happened. Yeah, so we traded Leonard Williams and I think this was a It was a balanced trade Yep Jake: If you ask me both teams got what they wanted out of the trade Queen's say this is the first time I've ever seen in the single season will never see us again in a million years Justin: These two teams make a trade. Oh Jake: two sets of teams made a trade The same season we traded with the Patriots and with the Giants. Yeah, it's true. We're doing fucking season Justin: That's a crazy sauce. It's kind of nuts So looking at this trade objectively, so I'm so just tell me what the trade was so the Jets traded with the Giants the Giants got Leonard Williams, yep, the Jets in return got a third rounder and a fifth if Leonard Williams does not resign with them as a free agent if he Jake: does resign we will get a fourth right so they're giving up a lot to get a guy for eight games if they're getting a knock us I know they better sign him Justin: otherwise that's really stupid but in my mind it's a it's a win-win right that the Giants get to now sign him and not negotiate against anyone if they want to right? And it's a guy that they must have really liked for years and maybe even like this GM was not their GM during that draft like maybe this GM really liked Leonard Williams leading up to that draft or something and saw something in him because I don't see it on the actual field they're not there in the numbers he's not that impactful no Jake: And I was chatting with it actually had a sack in this game. So maybe it was like a good like yeah Justin: I think there was like a flag on it or something. Yes, it was so I also read a stat about him That's crazy that there's a there is a stack called like knockdowns Okay, and it's like a defensive lineman knocking down a quarterback right now sack him and knock him down, right? He has

15:03 Justin: A very good percent or a high like he has a good knockdown rate. Let's put it that way He knocks the quarterback down right at a good rate But his sack percentage of his knockdowns is Incredibly low hmm like there there are a lot of defensive lineman where like they're knocked down Like they're sacked to knockdown ratio is like closer to 80 percent he's like like around 30 percent like he not he'll get to the quarterback but he doesn't actually sack the quarterback that's what I was trying to talk to my Giants friends yesterday and saying look you got a good player I've been watching him for four and a half years like he's a very nice player he can play on the inside I mean he started with good then he went to nice as I they play three four he plays three four Yep, he'll be a 3-4 end. They got pass rushing already. It's not about that. I'm like, look, he'll be fine if all you're expecting of him is to stop the run. And if he's not going to draw double teams, he may be disruptive, but he also may be very frustrating. Now from the Jets perspective... This is a win-win. This is a guy we were not going to resign. Jake: No, especially not with the Quinn and Williams pick. Then you... And you had to wait long enough to see if Quinn and Williams... And I, again... It's so frustrating to watch these games. I... And again, it's such a hard position to actually look at unless they're sacking people. But like... I've seen Quinn and Williams be a little disruptive. I've seen Leonard Williams be a little disruptive this season. I'm hoping that Joe would Joe Douglas the only person and that will be left on this entire staff next year I hope he's evaluating going. Yeah, he's just as good. We got the replacement. He's cheap as shit and We don't need this guy. So what we need is more fucking poor picks. So Justin: Basically, what they did was they said look, we're not gonna recite him We're gonna get a compensatory pick for him because someone else will sign him. Yep. We don't know what that will be At the high end, it's the end of a third, the end of the third round. That's the highest. Okay. It's a third round pick and it comes at the end. I'm thinking Leonard Williams will either draw a third or a fourth as a compensatory pick for whoever. So from the Giants perspective, they gave up a third and a fifth if they don't resign them, a fourth if they do resign them. But we think if they don't resign them, they're going to get that fourth or fifth back as the compensatory. For them. Right. So they only gave up a third. Correct. So for us we just kind of snagged an extra pick for a guy that we weren't gonna sign. Right. Which makes sense. It's gonna be a low pick. No, it's a real pick. It's not a compensatory pick. Right. So it could- I don't mean to swear is it gonna be the giants. It could be at the top of the third round. Right. Because- And the top of the fourth round if they re-sign them. It could be in the top 5 or 10 in those rounds. . Because the Giants aren't that good. I can't see them winning more than 5 or 6 games.

18:02 Justin: So... That's a good move. I mean, if you look at it, you're like, Alright, fuck this year, who cares? And he's not gonna be here next year, may as well have a third and a fourth, or a third and a fifth. Aight. Jake: I agree. No, I agree. You know, I didn't I saw the news I kind of didn't pay attention to it then I went I Read what it was the fourth and the fifth and it sounds like it's gonna be a fourth and honestly you get two picks for a Guy you were gonna get a pick for you. Clearly weren't gonna keep him You clearly drafted the only thing that just pisses me off about this is just you looking back at these draft classes You're like, this is just the total waste of space. Yeah and Again, we have a GM now who has the ability because he can be like, I didn't fucking do this. I didn't pick up either of those Williamses. Those Williamses don't mean shit to me. They mean nothing. So he has no reason to stick with anybody, including Sam Donald, on this fucking field. I think there's no chance in the world that they'll get rid of Sam at this point. But like, So now we can talk about all the rumors. All right, so rumors are flying. We had the conversation. We both said, you said anybody on the team for two picks, two first rounders. Justin: Anyone on the team for two first rounders. Jake: We both said we wouldn't wanna see Adams go because we like Adams. We love Adams. But it was Richie Anderson or fucking. Richie Anderson played fullback in the late 90s. It's cool. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Justin: You had a really awesome play in that. 41 nothing beat down on the times like sometimes I get the note the name, but it's like Robbie Robbie Anderson So like there's some names that are thrown out right Robbie Anderson one of them What's the rumors Robbie Anderson's been thrown around is maybe going to Philly. That's a bullshit. Whatever Jake: Don't care. Don't care. Here's the what would you take for Robbie? He's used on don't care Anything anything anything anything got in the fourth fourth now What do we give up for for for Damaris Thomas a fifth? I take that great whatever well, I brought the pick back sure Justin: Anything But there are two big ones that are out there right now, okay, they're really being floated yep Bell. They be on Bell. I don't think we're going to get anything for him so I don't think it's worth trading him but if you can get a first round pick for running back do it now. God damn it do it now. He's being wasted on this team. I don't want to wait until he leaves. It's not even like he's doing anything either. Like the holes, the system, nothing's there for him to actually be able to do the bell thing. Like you can see how good he is. Jake: Alright, well let's go low. So you take a first rounder. Yeah. Would you take a second rounder? I think you would. I think you would. I would not. Second and a third. Yes. There you go. There's your answer. Two seconds. Well that's better than a second rounder. Justin: So you take two seconds. Two picks. Not in consecutive years though. like next year. I want two next year picks. Two... a second and a third next year. Sure. Jake: But you would take a first straight up. Uh-huh. All right, so then the other one's Adams. The other one's Adams. Fuck you. I mean, you're just getting rid of the heart of the team,

21:03 Jake: which is the heart and soul of the entire team. But if he's actually in there chip chip chapping, saying he wants out, well then I say that fuck you. That's... The rumor mills are flying, Justin: and there's un... there's unconfirmed, like, you know, bullshit. Twitter accounts that are sources tell us Jamal Adams spoke to the Jets and said he wanted to be dealt sources Jets want multiple ones and another 2020 pick for Adams and I Just don't see it. But although I Don't see that he went and said trade me. I feel as though he may have went and said fix this shit. Oh, yeah Because I will not resign here right, but I think he wants to be here I don't think he went and said trade me he probably went and said I fucking hate losing and all we've done is lose I've been here right and that was clear in his after his interview after the after the game He was as down as I've ever seen Jamal Adams ever like he was dead. He was beaten down so to me the rumors are flying that he's going to cowboys okay that's the rumor because he's from Texas he's got like a apparently like a Dallas tattoo on his leg or something always a good sign That's all fine, but the deal is the phones are ringing out the alright, so what we say for Adams Jake: Whatever Ramsey was traded for now, but more you're not gonna get more than Ramsey then I don't want the trade All right, so you wouldn't take a first round No, not one for you wouldn't take a first and a second for next year. No first second third next year. Nope Really? What's a third round pick to me? No. First, second, third, that's three bodies. Justin: That's nice. If two of them suck, who cares? Well, one of them's one of the best safeties in the league. None of this. All pro safety. None of this. In his second, in his third year who has two more years of like no salary. None of this matters if you're going to Jake: pick poorly next year. So getting any pick doesn't matter. You always have to go to Justin: the assumption that they're going to. I want. First round picks. for Adams in consecutive seasons and I want to be able to do shit with them. I want to be able to move around in the draft. I want to be able to continue to build up more draft capital and equity and I think two ones is a perfectly fine asking price for a proven all-pro third-year safety. Already one of the best Um, strong safeties in the entirety of the league. Jake: I just don't, I just don't feel it that Adams gets you, gets you two first rounders. I could see you getting a first and why would Ramsey Ramsey was a dick in Jacksonville. Justin: Sure. Dick them over. This guy's not dicking anyone over. He's being a good team guy. Jake: Ramsey was more of a, uh, But what do you want? He was more of a shut down corner. Safeties are harder to value because you can't.

24:01 Justin: Jamal is pretty fucking valuable. At least, but you're a Jess fan. We know that. You watch the game, you're like, is there another safety out there like running around this fucking head? You're a Jess fan. You're a Jess fan. I'm just saying that like... He's an All-Pro. Fine. Do you know how many All-Pro safeties there are? Probably two or three. That's it. Yeah. Because there's only that many. Great. Jake: I think it's not like a pro bowler, which is bullshit. It's an all pro I think your value him is a little you have a little too much on your spin there Yeah, but you picked him sixth overall, right? Justin: Six-third Spilt fourth fifth six thirty three through six whatever he's lived up to that Yeah, yeah, he's worth that or more and guess what? You're not you're not getting like Cincinnati to trade with you or Miami to trade with you You're gonna get the Cowboys who are gonna pick in the 20s So you want to trade Jamal Adams for a 20th pick? No, no, that's not fair value for him He's worth way more than that. He's worth If you redrafted that draft that he got drafted in he might go one overall Jake: I don't know. I don't know about that there. Why not again? I I would love it. I would we had this conversation I've already said everybody on my on the entire Jets is is is available for two first-round picks. I don't really care everybody. At this point he is one of my favorite characters on the team so it's a little hard because you don't like people to go off and then you know look amazing in other places. He went sixth in the 2017 draft. Ready? Yep who went before him? Number one Miles Garrett. He would have gone number one and still would go number one. I guess it depends who's picking but I guess Miles Garrett. Would you have taken him? Justin: Yeah, one if I had him well who else okay, Mitch Trubisky nope Solomon Thomas nope Leonard for net Jake: Mmm, just kicked our ass, but no it's a running back. Don't care Justin: Why receiver Corey Davis on the on the Titans? No okay, and then Jamal Jake: So he's the second best guy in that draft. Justin: Uh-huh. And he makes no money for two more years. Great. Jake: Anybody else on that list that we flubbed on? Justin: Yeah, totally. I mean, that was the year I wanted us to draft Deshaun Watson, if you recall. Yeah. I was heavy on him. It's okay. We ended up with Adams. It's fine. but two picks later Christian McCaffrey, two picks after that Patrick Mahomes, after that Marshawn Lattimore shut down corner for the Saints, after that Deshawn Watson. Jake: And we just have to stay on this podcast because it looks like it's Dallas and Adams close. Oh I don't know, whatever that sounds like. Justin: Lots of good players in this draft. TJ Watt towards the end of the first round Jake: Yeah. Any that you would have picked ahead, I mean, McCaffrey definitely. Justin: I mean, there's guys in the third round maybe, like Alvin Kamara.

27:03 Justin: Yeah, well that's, you can't do that. But do you pick Alvin Kamara over Jamal Adams? I don't think so. Jake: I said two firsts, I agree. Do you do Smith Shuster in the second? I just don't think, I'll bet you I don't, I think we'll get two firsts. I think it'll be, it could be, but also they have a bunch of very expensive linemen. Who are all pros first rounders would you want a first an alignment from the Cowboys? Yeah Justin: Yeah, but the Cowboys don't have what you think they have at line anymore Well, I'm just saying then they're not gonna trade you the good ones. Well, maybe they would No, probably not. No, they're not gonna trade a player. They're trying to win for them it's we're trying to win right now right we'll trade the draft they know they have to pay the quarterback too they haven't paid him yet they're gonna pay a lot of people they have Jake: they have a small window the windows like right now our window you know our windows closing it's it's over our not over it's open but now it's closing it was opened up two years ago It's now going to slowly close. But it can reopen again. Again, a quarterback window is a long, long, long window. Alright, so we already decided you would take only two first rounds, nothing else. Justin: Nothing less. Jake: Nothing less. Justin: Unless someone wanted to do the godfather offer of half their draft. No, their entire draft, like what the Saints did to get Ricky Williams. so like first second third fourth no literally here's our whole draft you give us your first rounder go take that and get like 12 picks going and replay the it's a 12 but actually do it right have a two picks in each round trying to trade around a bunch I have no idea but I wish it would be the move I wish I'm incredible that we're sitting here So stunned and shocked at how thin we are, how bad our previous management has been over this team. Dating back to... Really dating back to Trader Mike. And like us being on this podcast being all excited that Mike went into the draft and came out of it with three players but they're all starters. It's like actually that's stupid. You should come out of the draft with like six or seven players and a couple of them should be playing special teams like kind of right away. Jake: We always say the first three rounds should be starting. Like first three rounds should be starting. The fifth, sixth, seventh round should be backing up people. Justin: And fighting for spots and special team players. And pushing people. Jake: They're now saying more than what Miami got for Minka which is a first, fifth, and sixth. So let's say a first. Yeah, I said you might get a first second and fourth not enough not the Cowboys picks no they're they're too far down in the first second which will be high second no I mean those first that Justin: first round picks gonna be in the 20s but the second round will be in the 20s

30:01 Justin: and that round third yeah these aren't like super duper pics Jake: Again, if if if how do they even have a first one they gave it last year to Cooper, right? Justin: I don't know what the fuck the Cowboys have But like if Cincinnati came a calling and be like hey, we'll give you our first in just the first like sure It's gonna be like the first pick. I'll take it Jake: I'm going to be reading Twitter at this point. It's terrible. This is not a good podcast. Alright, let's get to make some picks. How did you do last week? Justin: I don't know. You tell me. Jake: Alright, I will tell you. Last week, I slid so I did not do well because I was on the top of the world. No, I'm not. The broadcaster, you did... You did it. You got a 10. Good job. Hey, I did it! You did it. You're now only four behind me. That is manageable. I told you I'd come back on you. I'm only one behind the leader who is Sam Darnell Jets. Same Darnell Jets. That's funnier. So let's go ahead. Let's make some picks. That's pretty good. All right. I have not made these picks, of course, because it is. Me neither. I'm doing them. And the line is off on only two games. Doing them on the fly. Here we go. Justin: All right. One, two, three. Four four clocks. What I love for I like that's a good. That's a good mix. Where's good? Thursday night and a good and a bad game Thursday night and actually two night games Jake: All right, all three nights and I want to think I'm gonna watch I won't watch them, but I want to watch I'm gonna watch off. I want to watch them. I'm not gonna watch them. I'm gonna watch them all I will not watch them, but I want to watch them. Okay Justin: Okay, all right, let's do it San Francisco at Arizona Thursday night good game air San Francisco Very good. Very good. Very good San Francisco favorite nine and a half Too much Arizona. Yeah, I don't like it back door by the way, I don't think it's on the back door I don't like the I don't like this too high and those Niners are good they played D they score I can run the ball very well coached yeah Kyle Shanahan everything that's not an art anyway like Kyle Shanahan like didn't get off to the greatest of starts with with this is his third year I'm just saying are we Jake: looking back and going that Mike McCarthy would have been the better pick Justin: anyone would have been the better pick Wow anyone I'm looking back now We die out of balance. Jake: We didn't get it was I know he's on the list, but was he just lower on the game around the last college guy Justin: I didn't want to take the chance. I think that's where we have to go though

33:01 Justin: Again it's all up to you. I was thinking about it like the other night I was actually looking at teams and I was like who has a good offense and Like the coordinator is kind of expendable and you know like Kind of came up with who? Dallas Who's their coordinator? He's young. It's his first year calling calling games and stuff, but it's um kellen mohr Former quarterback. Oh, yeah, former quarterback. He's young really young. He's like probably we have a system at that point Yeah, I mean, he's been a coach for a while. He's been in, he's been in that Dallas system for a long time and he runs it now and it's a good offense. I don't, I don't really see a reason why that wouldn't be a viable pick. But anyway, it was the one thing that came to mind. The other being Jacksonville's offensive coordinator. Jake: John Moore has had two years of coaching. He was a quarterback coaching last year and the 2019 offensive coordinator. That's not enough It's just not enough. Sometimes you just gotta roll the dice. Yeah, we roll the dice all the time This Gates guy had three years Justin: Three years of head coaching experience which told you he was shit and we didn't even listen to it. Alright, whatever. Alright, keep going Jake: Also like the Jacksonville offensive coordinator by the way. Well, you just gotta look who is Joe connected to. Justin: Exactly who he's picking. The Jacksonville offensive coordinator. Was he connected to him? John DeFilippo. He was the Philly offensive coordinator when Joe was there. Jake: Can we do jetty jets? The Philly Philly. Justin: They wanted him like two years ago to be their offensive coordinator and. the Eagles blocked them from interviewing because it was for the same position. Alright, keep going. Houston at Jacksonville. Houston favored by two. Do we know if it's Minshew or if it's Foles? I think Minshew is fine. Did Minshew get hurt? Jake: Well Foles is actually. Actually recovered. Justin: Yeah, no, they're leaving Minshew in there forever. We all know that. Minshew mania. It's Minshew, right? it I got Houston. Jake: Yeah, Houston. Two... two... yeah. I'll take Houston as well. Justin: Alright, Kansas City is hosting Minnesota. This is off. We don't know about my homes. He was almost going to play the other day. Really? Yeah, I mean this guy's like super human. I'm just going to bake Minnesota because... Yeah, I'm gonna pick Minnesota too because if my homes doesn't play then that's Minnesota all day all day all day all day All right, Philadelphia is hosting Chicago Philly coming off a big win at Buffalo good win for them. That's a tough place to win. Yeah Mr. Field goal, right? Yeah, Chicago mr. Field goal and lost another game. Oh Oh, really? This is like Clash of the Systems because it's basically like, you know, teacher vs pupil.

36:00 Jake: Yeah, but like they went in halftime. Dolphins were winning. Yeah, but they- Justin: and And this and that and I'm like They haven't even come close to winning a game. How great could he really be? Like, he's not... How great could he be, honestly? Jake: His decision making on the quarterbacks alone reminds me of... Whatever. Justin: While this is a pick-'s, it's Pittsburgh for Indy. I'll take Indy while it's a pick. Sure. This line might work for you. Pittsburgh back to their second stringer, by the way. Mason Rudolph. All right, Carolina is hosting Tennessee. Carolina favored three and a half. That half is fucked. I'll take Carolina. Jake: I'll take Tennessee on this one. It's still part of starting Taney Hill. They are. They won, didn't they? Yeah, they did. Justin: Fucking the Carolina got there. Ass smoked. Let's keep going. Oakland hosting Detroit. Oakland favored by two. I like Oakland. This is the start of four o'clock by the way. Jake: Mmm, Oakland at home. Detroit, that's a tough one. I don't know. Yeah, I'll take Oakland. Justin: Okay, you'll take Oakland. Excellent. Seattle is hosting Tampa. Seattle favored by six. Um, this is a hard one. Shit. I'm gonna take Tampa. Jake: Oh, I'm sticking Seattle at home. Now, this is a perfect weather slash transfer across the country. Tampa hasn't... I don't think they can go into Seattle and beat Seattle. And if they start to lose, they'll start to lose big. So I'll take Seattle. Justin: Cleveland is going to Denver. And is now favored by two and a half how this flipped how did this flip so far? How did this flip four points? How is Denver favored by one and a half on Monday? But I don't understand that someone get hurt something happened playing someone. I don't know this one get traded I don't get it I'm gonna take Denver at home though getting two and a half points. I know they suck but Cleveland sucks too. Man do they suck. Holy shit do they suck. Jake: They're as disappointing as we are. No they're 10 times more. They might be way more disappointing than we are. 10 times more disappointing. They have some top talent. Justin: They were like supposed to win the division. Or were like talked about winning that division. Yeah they have Beckham who clearly blows. They have Chubb.

39:00 Justin: They have a real line. dead bigger looks like shit away he does look pretty bad but thought pagers to Jake: make a book bad Denver D's not gonna make anybody look bad he'll look fine keep going who do you have Cleveland I'll take Denver Justin: all right last last one of the day Green Bay at Los Angeles Chargers. This LAC is always tricky for me because now the basketball season has started, the LA Clippers. And the LA Chargers. And the LA Chargers. I don't know why this is only 3A, take Green Bay. Yeah, same. Green Bay seems to be really finding their stride in this offense that they're in now. All right, we're gonna skip Sunday night because it includes an AFC East game and We're gonna go to Monday night Good game or at least for us because we're in New York Dallas at New York. Yeah, be fun to watch Dallas vapor by seven Historically, I mean they should almost have Eli play this game because historically in the Primetime games when these two teams play Eli seems to pull something out of his ass and win these games but I'm gonna pick the Giants for that reason they seem to be Jake: Dallas and prime time I just went to save all my picks and it didn't save any my picks I am pissed off. Justin: What do you mean how we do last week we lost no Jake: Not that last week. How'd we do in our picks so I had? Buffalo winning over Philly zero. I had New England winning over Cleveland pick I had Miami losing to Pittsburgh in a close one true and I had us winning so I went Justin: Had exactly the same okay? What do we got this week? Alright explain to me this line. New England's at Baltimore. Undefeated. The undefeated New England Patriots are favored on the road in Baltimore by three and a half points. Only three and a half points. It's a road game. Night game. It's in Baltimore. Tommy Turrific. It's a Sunday night which that means the all blacks. It's hard to play in Baltimore at night. We've been there. We've seen it It's a raucous crowd and they are actually halfway good. Are we gonna see it again this year? It's so bad supposed to go see the Jets play Baltimore And it's like ragtag team of white we should choose a Better game and just go to like a game game somewhere that weekend. I am going to a game

42:02 Jake: I'm going out to Oakland. So I'm going to a better game though. No Chargers That's better than fucking better than this. Yeah. Oh boy. I don't like this line I don't like this. I just don't get it. I don't yes I know Baltimore's but what was in this up-and-down team and the Patriots aren't an up-and-down team They're a winning team, but they gotta lose at some point their defense is better than this But I think if anybody's gonna figure out this fucker, it's gonna be this team I I think it'll be this wop side of the fair that we're going the other way. Oh, no I think it's me a lopsided affair. You'll be like, oh really? Lamar who? No, Bill Belichick doesn't let young quarterbacks, doesn't let system guys. Not since Ricky Williams was doing the whatever Harlem Shuffle, does he let that shit happen? I say no. The Harlem Shuffle? Do the Harlem Shuffle. No, do the Wildcat, sorry. Do the Wildcat? No, 31-12 New England. I have Baltimore winning the game 27-26. I just don't know why, why? They've only had one close game. This is gonna be the second. They had a close game. You lose, you have them losing. I do, I mean they're gonna lose a game or two. They have to. You have been alive during the seasons where they have not lost a game. The one season where they did not. Yeah, that's only the second time in history it's ever happened. And it's this team with this head coach and this quarterback. It's like, why would you not believe? Justin: Because it was 12 years ago. Like, I don't need to believe that. It's a thing an hour. I get it. But I'm going to use your logic. If there's going to be a team. Oh, it's no. There's a couple games coming up that they lose to. No, but that figure out. How to beat the way that this defense is put together Jake: It is this Baltimore team with this type of quarterback the and I this is just gonna make me fucking puke in my mouth The reason this defense is so good is that they're all Good and they're all there's no there's not a lot of stars. They're just all very good and they're very very well coached Yeah, no shit bill. Bell checks their fucking coordinator. Yeah, but that's not he hasn't done that for every defense he has he has yes he yes he no he sometimes they have really terrible defenses they have great offenses but this team just has a very very well coached highly talented no superstars no like shut down this shut up they're just all and they are all on it they're so well coached I don't want to talk about Justin: them anymore all right We disagree on the outcome of this game. We will find out next week. Jake: If I win, I get to talk about them for six minutes on the next podcast. Have fun. I'll go to the bathroom. Justin: Alright, um... So it'll be a better podcast. Yeah. Washington's going to Buffalo. And Buffalo's favored by ten, are they? Yeah, I think so. We can look that back up. But I think they are.

45:04 Justin: So Buffalo lost last week to the to a better team Eagles of Philadelphia Yeah at home in Buffalo tough loss I don't think they lose to Washington. They are a fair all Buffalo's defense should make a mockery of this game. Don't you think like? Can't see Washington even scoring more than 10 points at all. I don't even know if they score a touchdown I'm gonna give them a nine burger Not in burger. We're gonna go 23 9 on this one Jake: I'm going Buffalo they're not gonna score a wall. No actually actually think they're gonna run they're gonna run them up the pole and fucking destroy them. 3813. They're just gonna keep going. They're gonna get two touchdowns off of defense and they're just gonna run the fucking shit out of them. Justin: Bye there, I've got the Twitter going and... Twitter. And Marcus May apparently is also being called about. Jake: Sell mall. Yes. God's gonna be terrible. We're gonna be such a bad team Justin: Apparently Adam Gaze wanted to trade Marcus May upon getting the job before coming around on the player Whatever that means I just Adam Gaze wants him traded. Let's keep yet. Actually anything that I'm guess once why is that I'm getting Jake: Making a decision. Oh, he's not okay. It was just the thing going. All right, let's talk about the game this fucking fucking Sunday This is gonna be a good one! This is gonna be great! But do you even really want to win this game? If I told you you lose this game and you get the first round, the first pick of the draft next year, what would you say? Just lose this game. Just lose this game. Justin: They're gonna win one of them. Like they're not gonna get swept by the Dolphins. why not it's not they're pretty bad have you seen our team I have but I also saw us win against the Cowboys I saw like I was saying I was seeing ghost Jake: during that game the ghost of a good team passed we were a good team Yeah, this is totally winnable, but who fucking cares a 1 in 17 against a Justin: Well don't you want to see us actually play well Like just like come on come on guys go out there and like beat the team you're supposed to be like play well Yeah, guys beat up on the little kids in the in the play around well do what you're supposed to do Jake: They're not you know this up that what you know as a jet fan the way this goes this goes not No This goes badly. Justin: But the best part about that is there is no badly. If they win, fine they won. If they lose, hey, we're ahead of the Dolphins for that first pick right now. So there's no bad. It's all good. If you win, good. You won a game. It's good for you to win. If you lose fine, I actually don't the dolphin

48:01 Jake: I think the losing would be more fun because then we meet up in three weeks or four weeks revenge Justin: And we're one it we're both one and nine the gay spool two and we're both not trying to win and it's like oh I fumbled No, I followed the to you Here let me throw it for you No, you backwards! Out of my own ten zone! We're only kicking! Safety! This is football, right? We're only using our feet! Safety, safety, safety, safety, safety, safety, safety! No hands today! Up! Out of the end zone! Wait a minute! It's the only way I'm going! It's an uncarsed-ended move that jets bring out their punter on second and eight! Why is a punter turning the wrong direction? Wait a minute! The punter just kicked it directly into the stands! Why is the ref not calling that they only have seven players on the field? Sam Dardell just threw to a guy wearing an Altoon jersey in the first row! Jake: No, of course I'd like to see them play and I like to see them win and you know But but but since all hope is lost You're right. You just have to be hoping for what you hope for, which is whatever team's left after the next two and a half hours I'd like to see play hard. I'd like to see Sam Donald play well. I mean But I just don't think that's gonna happen. I don't think that I don't that line is absolutely terrible Think some of it is him. He does hold on to the ball, but he also has zero time. I think some of us the play calling I Mean that first truck that first drive. He just looked like and even though it's getting the pressure They weren't bringing a lot, but that first drive is like where is this? Where is this man? Why is that man not on the field all the time? Just walk down the field short concise throws hitting people in stride Like even the throw of the tight end you're like, whoa nice throw and then the title bowls someone over at the end Like there's the jets. We're up 7-0 All right. Well now we get to play the worst team in football. Mm-hmm So we get to win But we're just fans we know that's not the way it's gonna be bad they're gonna be winning in half Dolphins will be winning 17 14 in half. That's too many points Definitely winning 17 that's a lot of points for both teams at halftime okay that's a really cool at Justin: half and five five it's a tie click I'm calling a tie I'm calling a tie I have us 20 I was losing 15 6 20 all field goals 23 23 to tie I was losing 15 6 to Fitzpatrick all field goal game No touchdowns in this game breaking news Breaking news. Oh what the Patriots cut my kitchen Jake: That's amazing the new Justin: Chain and he missed two extra points in that game. You can't do that shit. Oh, no pictures a contrast real fast

51:04 Jake: I'd love to see the statistics this season. I now watch it. There's another game of the Jaguars Got an extra point. Yeah, a lot of missed extra. What is with it? It's because they're not but is it like they're catching up to the because I remember when they first did they moved it back The percentage wasn't that low. They're still making a high high percentage of them. What is it? It's after a couple years It's gotten worse. I don't know. I don't know. All right So if we're more tweets are flowing my wanted if we wanted to win the game, how would we win the game? If we wanted to win the game, I'll win the game. I'm... You have us winning. Oh, you're losing. Justin: I have us losing. Just because, who cares. Um, I mean, it's pretty simple. I think it's actually just super straightforward. If Sam Darnold can not get sacked a hundred times and have pressure in his face all goddamn game, we're gonna win the game. Is that the special playing? Yeah, it should be. Really put last week Rosen was healthy. There's no reason not to play Fitzpatrick Jake: So the thing that adds is two teams I like two teams competing that sounds like that's that's good for us much better for us sounds like first rounders Justin: Well, that's what happened with the Leonard Williams. Apparently there were a couple offers really? Yeah Jake: You know we're doing on the Joe meter the Joe right there's like the things we think I need four years before I can Have a no, I'm dry. I gotta try listen. I'm only grading what what I've seen so far. What have I seen? I've seen his moves right so we have three Justin: He signed cool. Yeah d-minus. I think he made the trade for Demaris Thomas for the fifth round or two years from now Whatever See it's a healthy receiver who can actually sort of see He traded Leonard Williams B plus If there are any other like substantial moves, it's really oh, oh, I think assembly thing and I think we need to talk about Jake: Well, and there's the non moves during the quarterback the quarterback outage where there was no moves. Yeah, no moves were had Justin: there's So there's a see we should talk about this assembly thing sure. Tell me the story. Tell me a story Justin Jake: Tell me a story about a man named assembly. Well Justin: We get this guy Osemaly, Kalichi. Jake: Osemaly Kalichi. And... Where'd we get him from? Justin: Okay. MacCagnon move. Trade, I think. And Osemaly comes here and he plays a couple... He starts a couple games and then he's out for the year, he says, with a shoulder injury. He has like a cyst or something in there. And then Jett's medical staff are like, no, you're fine, dude. You're maybe injured, you're like questionable, right? But you're not out, right? You can play through this, you do not need surgery for that. Right. And he went and got another opinion

54:00 Justin: and the external third parties were like, no, you can totally, like, you're injured. You need surgery. Or... Could have I don't know that I don't know that's the thing everyone can have surgery for everything Yeah, I can horse I can have surgery tomorrow on my right shoulder I can tell you right now. I have a torn labrum in my shoulder probably fucking matter though, right? Okay, like I know it for fact, but great matter Well, they were arguing back and forth and he was being a dick So the Jets were being dicks back and kind of find him. They were like conduct detrimental and for him not showing up And then he just went and had surgery. Yep, and you can't really just do that Like the team didn't authorize it So you can't just go have surgery the team has to be like, yeah, you're out We're gonna put you on the injured reserve Right then and then you can go have your goddamn surgery or agree to have the surgery then we'll put you on the injured reserve We just cut him Jake: Bold. Justin: Fine by me. That's a plus one in the Joe book. Fuck you. Get out of here. Jake: You don't want to be here? You want to have surgery instead of playing? Go fuck you. He's playing with, it's amazing. House money baby. He's so house money. But I don't like that he has too, he has too much house money because he didn't do the draft. This is this thing because he came in in June. He's like, he has so much house money. He's like, I didn't do the draft. I didn't do the free agency. I didn't do shit. I didn't pick this goddamn head coach. I didn't pick fuck about this team. So you know what? If you trust me, I can blow it up. I hope they just trust him and actually blow it up. I'm really worried they're gonna be like, No, Gaze, one more year, come on. You know, D Williams is fucking leaving. So, ugh, ugh, just get rid of this fucking guy. Alright, let's get out of here. What else? Any more last-minute rumors as the... multiple first round picks, I would be happy. I don't want to lose Adam, so I don't want to lose him either Justin: I really really really really really like him I and two of the new fucking jerseys and literally two Darnold and an Adams like I went out and I was like okay. We have new uniforms What do you buy two of them? I think you're gonna be around for a while and I can really rock during games Jake: It's I mean as a team though it is the right thing to do It's the right thing to do to if you know you're going under that to get some get some asses out of it I get it. I get it. I get it. We have a four or five year Justin: This guy is the fucking asset. You don't trade the asset to get the assets like I know that doesn't make sense but like the Adams is is Are you really gonna get a better player than him is the question where you're not getting one right you're getting two But do those two players Well does Adams plus replacement player at left guard equal Not as good in Adams at on our defense and a better guard on offense just think about that way I

57:05 Jake: think of it as I Mean the draft is such such risky shit. We know we can look at her I'm a little bit more bird in the hand because you know this guy is good. You know he has he's He's got three to five years more of incredible performance. The two people you don't have never drafted, you have no idea what they're gonna be. And they're not gonna be in the first six picks. So you might land one of them. So then you basically just tit for tit. You just got a tit and you gave up a tit. Six for six. Because you know, because they're gonna be both 20s, if it's the Cowboys. And then what? So you got a guy in the 20's who's like a what? And you maybe do a great pick? It's just, I don't know, it's such, it's... To give up something you know, but I get it from a team standpoint. I hate the way it makes us look, it's very desperate, it makes what the dolphin's been doing it. Just selling everybody off at the top of the... I would love to know, I would actually, the two players who I'd love to see on the team next year, if you just said you get, if you could pick two, if you pick one, I was like, I want to see Sam on the team next year. If you say pick two, I want to see Adams and Sam. If you said pick three, shit, I don't even know. I don't know the third player was that want to see on the team next year. Are you kidding? Huh? Really? Oh, may probably. How about Moseley or Bell? Oh, I don't want to see Bell on the team. Why? I just think it's a waste. I don't think it's, I think you're wasting this guy's effort. I think you're wasting his talent. But you're not getting anything in return. Well, I know. But he's not, he's not the guy I want to see on the team. I'm Justin: not excited by it. Moseley, yeah, he's on. He's really good. Like you can see that he's really good and there's just nowhere for him to go. I don't think that's gonna be solved in a season. Jake: But what do you want? No, Camila Saints last year. Alvin Kamara? Justin: What's his name? Mark Ingram? Yeah, who's up in Denver. He's not blowing it up though. But he's not blowing it up. His numbers are not that good. And he's 31 years old, that's not... You're not making a good point there. He's on a team that is designed to run the ball. I know that's why you can always say the argument Yeah, but they're they're designed to run for 300 yards a game. Of course, they're gonna have a running game But he's not that good individually And if you build a team to run then you're gonna run we didn't build a team to do shit

1:00:00 Jake: No, we just said Justin: Slap dick throw it out there. Let's see what happens. Yep, the play calling sucks Jake: I think I just think he's being wasted and we're paying him a shit ton of money, but whatever I mean it'd be interesting but mostly maybe He's out like five to six weeks. No, then he's gonna be put on the IR that guy's gone if I were him I'd be going ouchie ouchie No, no play. Oh, that's quitting. I don't like that dude. Why so you come back and injure yourself more? Okay He's not gonna it's probably something bigger the medical staff of the New York Jets Not a great track record at this point. I Don't know and and honestly It makes me think if I'm gonna watch Sam just get beat the fuck for the rest of the season and end up with a torn I don't want to do that. Why? I'm like fking pissed. Like I know you gotta play him. I know you gotta see that you gotta get better. I know he's learning and everything, but Jesus Christ. Like how many more games is he gonna eat sacks a game that you're just gonna be like, this is not worth our time? Justin: I don't know. I don't know. Do you really just want to have a concussion to get 17? How many more games is he gonna eat sacks a game that you're- Chuma Adoga starting at left tackle. Like, Deshaun Watson, you just have to deal with it. Jake: Yeah, well, I feel like they're helping out. Deshaun's weapons has weapons. And I think a better line. At this point, the Jets must have the worst line. Justin: I imagine if you went into, like, who does all those statistics? It's like, it's not pro footballs. It's like pro something. Football reference? Yeah, something like that. like worst offensive line NFL history. So the, I got an article here. The top five offensive lines, cowboys, saints, Ravens, Niners, Colts. Catch a theme there. Yeah. Bottom five, Falcons, Bengals, Titans, Jets. Jake:** Dolphins catch a theme there losing. Yeah, I'm a big deal. I Let's see how many, because they don't end get someone in the offseason. Because offensive line, they're not always ready day one to walk out there. Right. Sometimes I need a little bit to get in there. But none of these seventh rounders, no more seventh rounders. High threes.

1:03:01 Jake: All right. We got to get out of here. We got the fuck out of here. Yeah, this is bullshit. All right. It's Justin Jake saying. Until next week, here's your early pod. You're welcome.