What Say OTA
June 7, 2012 · 25:44 · OTA season. We talk about the Revis contract chatter and how much of it the media is making up, plus news around the league.
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Opening
Onan! What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and they have a lamentation of their women.
Transcript
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00:09 Justin: The best place to be is when expectations are high. Get used to it. It's always gonna be that way. Can't wait! Jake: Welcome to Jet Kingdom Park. the longest running New York Jets podcast. I'm Jake and joining me for the 154th time, who then laughs at the fact that we've actually been doing this for 154 times. Oh my God, it's so sad. Is Justin, Justin how are you doing today? I'm awesome. You're awesome. Yeah, I'm going to the Yankee game tonight at CC versus David Price. Apologize. For what? Apologize. No, people know I'm a Yankee fan. No, Apologize. We're not doing a podcast last week. No. No, you apologize right now. You fucking tell them I'm sorry. OTAs. Optional. Okay, so it's optional podcasting. Optional. OPA's. Yeah. Wait, OP something. Whatever. So we're back. We have a little quick show today. We got not a lot to talk about but we can always make something up. So let's get to it you know I always thought that O and OTA stood for optional it doesn't it's organized yeah I thought it was optional no I really did I was like optional team activity yeah because they are optional they should be O OTA optional organized team activity yeah have you come utah did you go to the No. Woota. Is that like my uh, whatever accent that is? Swahili. Don't you speak Swahili? I... Kidoko 2? Exactly. Exactly. That's a long podcast story right there. So let's get into it. First up on the news Jets Camp West. Yes. Jets West bitches. West. And you know what the big fucking news is? What? The back of quarterback will be there. Yeah. So the third string right? Yeah, you know what happened last year back-of-quarterback went Wasn't he really? Back-of-quarterback went. Really? But this year it's such big fucking news because the back-of-quarterback's gonna be there. Oh! He'll be there like not having sex on the West Coast. Why does he have his own? He, they should just have like, you know how on the bottom of ESPN Yeah, they have the little ticker and it's like NFL NHL MLB, whatever. Well there's like three people in the whole world that get their own word. There's like, Tiger. He gets his own thing like, Tiger won the tournament this Sunday, so it's like, Tiger. Doesn't say golf, it says Tiger. Tebow's the other. Tebow. Tebow should be the other. And like, Manning. Manning. Well, no. Don't know who you're talking about. Yeah, but when it was like, Peyton like, bleeding and where's he gonna sign, it was like, Manning Watch. Manning Watch. Panda Watch. It's so ridiculous. Anyway, so the news is that T-Bo and the crew and some other quarterback... San Antonio Holmes is gonna be there. He said that today. He's gonna be there.
03:00 Jake: Yeah, I'm... He was like, in the middle. But why is he... This is the thing. He's already starting to act like a douche. Who? Holmes. Why? Because he's already being like douchey. Why? What's douchey about going to this thing? Because it's like, it shouldn't be a question. You go. He's going! But it's just- Like, what's Douchey about going? Douchey. It's not Douchey. He exists, and that's Douchey. I'll stop it. No, I'm not happy with him. He was a Douche at the end of the season. Yes, he was. He Douche'd out of the last game. He did. So, I'm just like, I think everything he should do going forward should be non-Douchey. Well, he's going to this thing, which is non-Douchey. He didn't go last year. That was Douchey. He's a free agent, though. Oh, but he's wasn't on the team. Yeah, whatever. All right, so he's going great And this leads me to my my fuck you this week. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I love Colin Coward I listened to his podcast the thundering heard and the herd or whatever really I really like him very insightful I like his point except for this week. He got on this Tebow Going to Jets West and like was just making fun of Mark Sanchez about it like he's like, oh he couldn't win like He had to invite him, but you know, he didn't want to and like did this whole skit about like Oh Tim, you know, I'd love for you to come but you know, there's earthquakes on the West Coast. So you might not want to go and like And I was just like, can you stop? Stop. Just stop it. He's the backup quarterback. Of course he's gonna be there. Just like they were last year. Guess what this is? If Tebow organized this thing, you'd be like, what a leadership move. Guess what this is? This is a leadership move. He's getting people together when they don't have to. And he's catching shit for inviting... His backup! He's- no, he's catching- His backup! No, he's catching shit for inviting the same people he invited last year. Yeah. Which is that- The position- the position- skill player. The running backs, the receivers, the tight ends, and the corner backs who throw them the fucking ball. He invites them all, every year. 30 in a row. That's what he does. But this year, it's big fucking news. Yeah. Ugh. well good on him I mean it's not even news so he invited you should invite the guy that's it in other news do waters wet right this guy is up unless you're downtown all right let's go next up on the agenda Revas bullshit I read a lot of the quotes and things that he said he's The media's making this stuff up. Yeah, pretty much. He's not saying anything... He's playing with them. Really. Because he hasn't said he's holding out. He hasn't said anything. All he's really actually said was, I plan on being there. Right. And then they ask him, like, again. And it's like, Alright, now I'll fuck with you. Right. I'm not gonna say. So it's like if I was an athlete and someone asked me the same question three times in a row because they're
06:08 Jake: Because they're not creative and can't ask interesting questions So they just keep asking me the same question over and over asking different way in a different way But it's really the same question. I'd give them different answers all the time I'd be like, oh yeah, I'm switching to safety this year. Or like, you know, I give all sorts of crazy answers to questions. You know what the best way to deal with media? I give it 110% every game. Every game. Every time. 110%. We tried real hard. Like, what's he supposed to do? He has not said anything that leads me to believe that he will not be holding out. I also read a few things about his contract. We'll be right back. where it would not really be in his best interest to hold out. I'm hoping that the Tannenbaum was smart enough to... There's some language in there that actually, like, if he does hold out, then, like, an extra year gets, like, tacked on to the end of his contract kind of thing. I remember when they signed that second one. First of all, I forgot that he actually held out originally. Yeah, he's held out twice. Twice already. But anyway, so I'm thinking that, Tannenbaum, you're not an idiot. And the second time you do this, you write in shit that like poison pills, you hold out and we- There's also incentives to not hold out for Rebus. If he doesn't hold out, if he doesn't- And he lets his two-year contract run out, the Jets can't franchise him. That's good. That's a little incentive for him to not hold out. We would immediately franchise him because we'll pay the average- we'll pay the average- price of the top five CDs because guess what? You are the average. We'll pay the average. We'll save money. Yeah. I mean the Saints are doing this to Drew Brees right now. I mean guys hate being franchised because it's not long term and you have no security in it. But we built a few incentives for him basically to not hold out in his contract. So I really don't see him holding out to be honest. Yeah. I mean I don't know. I can't He'd be dumb to do it. That doesn't mean the problem is he have so many people in his ear going but It gives the Jets the option to tack that third year on to the end of it And it also gives them the option of franchise It's a couple things that the Jets the Jets have leveraged now Rebus has leveraged two years from now, right? So let's use our leverage now and so what you're saying is a jet fan you want him to hold out No, I don't. But see that's the thing, the thing in the contract, if he holds out, he's basically saying why should we write the contract? But I want to make camp. Yeah. The year he held out, he hurt himself and he didn't play very well. Right. Um, alright. Next up. Dolphin's Hard Knocks? We don't have to talk about Hard Knocks anymore. Thank God. But we have to talk about Hard Knocks. I can't wait to talk about Hard Knocks when it's on. Yeah. I'm happy to see the Dolphins on Hard Knocks. I'm excited to see inside the Dolphins mess. Me too. This is, if you'd asked me of any team, other than I thought the teams like, when I originally said that, you know, sort of Tebow being on, when he was originally going to be on the Broncos and like, that would just be a hot mess.
09:01 Jake: I like this because the Dolphins, although a hated enemy of ours, You know, they're the team my wife likes so to learn more about them and to see them sure they're excited about it Oh, she's very excited. I mean she you had the crack two years ago now. She's gonna be yeah. Yeah I mean can it be even remotely as good as as it could be no, but it could be no her Not for you, but for her. No, for me it'll be just watching a good show. For her, it's like she even went in so much as put it in our calendar. Sure! Hard knocks. Yeah, hard knocks. So no, I can't wait. The only bummer is I wish we were playing them in the preseason so we could get like one of those games Yeah, that would have been nice. That would have been cool You don't usually play your division in the preseason. I'm saying that would have been nice, but I know it's not going to happen. So, I can't wait. There's not a lot of good storylines, so I'm just watching a Hot Mess. There's some good storylines. You've got a rookie head coach. Please don't say that. You've got a rookie head coach. These three know-nothing quarterbacks. That's the storyline. They're going to build that into... A-A-A-A-A-N. Reggie Bush is an interesting character. Cause he's an asshole at this point. He's interesting. They've got, uh, what's his face on defense. Dan's B is interesting. He got- They got some stuff on- They got some stuff going on. That's not a lot. That'll be interesting, the rookie head coach. I mean, I think if anybody- The person who's just put up his winning flag is Bush. Because he's probably the most known player on that team at this point. He's gonna be the star of that show. He's the one who he's very charismatic. I mean, yeah, he's a very charismatic guy He'll probably come across a little douchey, but he'll probably come across kind of fun You know, I'm sure he's like if I heard him I'd be taking acting eyes I don't know because he's gonna I could see him being the star of the show. Yeah, but no I think I think Tana Hill will get some spotlight. Yeah, but you'd be a shy idiot for all we know We could be like, oh, yeah, I like to throw the ball around. I doubt it. I'm all about my usually the quarterbacks aren't Like that. Yeah, I don't know, Garard? I mean, Garard? Garard? Yeah, but it's not. Matt Moore? Are you excited to see this? I am! I want to see it. I think it would be better now if Marshall had still been on the team. Oh yeah, that would be great. That would be great. We could have had two shows, one for each personality. That's not right. No? I don't like when you do that. When I dig on his multi-personalities? Yeah. Because it's like an affliction. Some mental illness. You don't have to make fun of people. I don't know. Well, I'm sure only one of his personalities upset me. The other one loves it. They both are. Trust me, they both are. Did I mention, send your responses to JustJetBingdom at Twitter.com. Alright, so next up you have on here the top 100. So the NFL Top 100, which I am not watching. You're not watching. You know what? I forget about it. You're gonna catch up on it? I literally go home and I forget. And there's all jets on it. So I wait. Well, here's the story. There's no jets on it. Yeah, there you go. So if you go to the page... You you can sort it by team and you click Jets
12:00 Jake: It's like you look on jets and there's one and it's Tim Tebow So what I was gonna do angles gonna be in there. Well, I don't know It's gonna be in there. I don't know We're up. We've already gotten through we're up to the top 30. All right, so just here's what I want you to do Yeah, I want you to do this for me. Go on. There you go. I want you this for me I haven't been watching. Okay. Tell me what I missed. Well, I haven't been watching either. I've just been watching on the website. You're the best. Well, I don't have the NFL network right now. Oh, that's right. So, but here's the thing. Yeah. I think there's gonna be one jet on this thing. It's gonna be Dorell Reavis and it's gonna be in the top ten. Okay. Cause we're already in the top 30. I can't see mangled sneaking in there like Murky's pouncy. Can we find out where angle was last year? He was yeah I'm sure you can find that out. Okay, I'll find that pouncy is 49 and You know pouncy was like, you know the the purple Center ahead of mangled so i don't i don't actually, mangle missed a couple games it's kind of weird that he wouldn't be on this list but i think if he would be on the list i'd in the 40s or 50s But here's what came out, I think it was last night, number 31, Eli Manning. 31. That's fucked up, isn't it? Wow. 31? There's, there's, there's, there's no Brady yet. There's no Bree. There's no, um, Rogers yet. And there's no Big Ben yet. That means Big Ben's ahead of him. That means he's the fifth. That's crazy. He just won the Super Bowl. He beat Aaron Rodgers in the playoffs. He beat Tom How's he 31? How's the starting quarterback the Super Bowl winning team not in the top 10 of that year's best players? when he really won like he didn't wasn't Trent pilfering it right one playoff games deal for it you can deal for it or Brad Johnson and can John's even one playoff games on the road he won you got them won that division right how's he 31 your jacks have had a lot of players he's not a very you know maybe we should go on to the we should start up the Giants something podcast. But Eli Manning is not a respected quarterback. He's just not 5,000 yards. He's not respected but it's the way he does it. If he did it with a flare and he like did a touchdown dance, he'd be there. But he's very low-key. He doesn't show a lot of emotions and he does it on a team that's kind of low-key. Remember the Giants were about four seconds away in a few games from not even making the playoffs.
15:00 Jake: There were a couple games like that they were not going to make the playoffs. Guess what though? They won the Super Bowl. I understand. So, I don't get how he's 31. So, name guys who are going to be above him again, do that again. Well, there's four quarterbacks above him. Big Ben is not on the list. So, for 2011 I think that's a... Just the season. 2012 or 2009. That's a crock of a shit, right? Yeah, it's a crock of a shit. it. Okay, the other four, the other three, totally defensible. Drew Brees set the record for passing yards. Aaron Rodgers had an amazing season. Fifteen and whatever. Just had a crazy season. And Tom Brady, who was number one last year. He's Tom Brady. Where is it? Well, oh, so man, so. Peyton is 50. He's on the list. He's on the list. A player who didn't play. Did not play. He's 50. At least he's above paint, man that'd be brutal. I mean there's other court, like Matt Stafford was 41. Eli's 31. Like they're 10 spots apart. Yeah. Super Bowl versus kinda like, yeah. Like Matt Stafford, kinda like his first year ever really doing anything. Right. Eli, second Super Bowl win. Yeah, but that's the thing, if you're really just looking at the year. You really are. You have the better argument talking about Super Bowl. because the Super Bowl is making it. I don't see how he's 31. I know this isn't the Giants podcast and Jet fans are probably pissed off, but I think the guy should get his due respect. Like, that's absurd. Like, there's other guys on this list where it's like, oh, okay, it should be higher, it should be lower. Right. I mean, fuck, Cam Newton was 40. Right. And Eli's 31? Right. Right now it doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. I agree I think the big Ben was the one as a quarterback and now you're like that just makes no sense that he's above him Where he is now so I get that makes you know, that's why I think this is frustrating and again Jets fans There's no Jets. Oh, yes, let's do Tim three bow that doesn't count He didn't play for the Jets when he made this list. So is this 2012 or 2013? This is 2012. 2012, okay. So he was... Mangled was in 50 to 41. So he was between 41 and 50 last year. Yeah, so he's not going to make it this year. It would be tough if we were going to make it this year. No way. I mean, you look at just the quarterbacks. So you've had Tebow at 95. You've had Romo at 91. Flacco at 74. Vic at 70. Phil Rivers at 61, he had an awful year. Yeah, awful year. Manning at 50, didn't play. Stafford at 41, Newton at 40, and Eli at 31. And you know who I'm not seeing on this list now that I've sorted it by quarterbacks? I'm not seeing Matt Ryan. You can't tell me Matt Ryan's not gonna be on this list when Flacco's on it and T-Bo's on it So you tell me Matt Ryan's gonna be ahead of Eli on this list. Yeah, that's crazy, too Cuz right he has to be on the list right if Flacco's on the list and Told me Roman played half the season is on the list of rivers. We didn't have a river said horrible season Hey, Matt Ryan should be on this list right you would think so Maddy ice And you are
18:01 Jake: Again voted by the players so it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I think there's part of it That's it's not really what they did in this I don't know how they even they do it Do they show them stats like where they just go off their gut? I don't know Brady boyer people vote for them like when they get like the people logging in and looking at this on the website they vote is this overrated or underrated right and so far Eli at 31 is considered overrated he just doesn't like Cam Newton at 40 is considered underrated you know here I'm gonna make this I'm gonna make it I'm gonna make it I must know you make a stink and no one's gonna like it you know what this is a fact this is a product of fantasy. This is a fantasy product. But you know I had a fantastic fantasy season. He had actually had a... he was on my team. I know. Threw for five thousand yards. He had a good... he had a very good... he's top seven in fantasy. So that's what I think this is becoming. It's becoming, you know, they're saying that, you know, Cam Newton and they're probably thinking about next year. Cam Newton as a fantasy player people are ranking. I don't think we're up there. Yeah, I mean that's how the fans voting That's what I'm saying the fans right but that's well your broadcast. You're not a fan. That's true. All right What else we got in our bag of tricks? You already gave your fuck you. Yeah, Colin Coward. Sorry, buddy. I like you but fuck you Yeah, fuck you for making a big deal out of nothing. We didn't post that we were doing the podcast. So sorry We have no tweets or no Facebook Anything this week? We do have an update on the Jet Kingdom Fantasy League. We do. In that we actually started a document and started collaborating on the rules. Oh yeah. And I started doing some of the math. Meaning if we go back from the week of the draft and work back weeks, we basically have to start in July. Because you have to start picking people in July. So we have till the end of this month to come up with the rules. spit it out and then every week going forward you know we think we'll then pick a guy and keep going till we get to or a female or a person yeah ladies in our ladies we need ladies I love our rule I was talking to somebody who's a fantasy player yeah about the Jet Kingdom fantasy league would you want to go over our rules as if we have them now oh sure so we've organized our rules and that up I know I could see it. I am trying so I was talking to him about Here we go. I was talking to him about we were doing this and I said the the big wrinkle is that you have to play a jet right and He was like, oh, that's Really interesting and then I started talking to him about like drafting who you pick and when right now I was like, here's a couple things. I'm thinking and he thought I was crazy He's like, oh that's crazy. I'm like think about it. I don't think it's that crazy I don't think I don't think what you're thinking is is a unique thought to you I think a lot of people are thinking this it's like you pick that guy you throw him in your you throw him as a as a as your whatever the third person as
21:00 Jake: Whatever option guy and you just rock him because if he does something he'll probably get Points for it. Oh, we're thinking about different things. Oh, are we? Oh, yeah Oh, I'm thinking I'm thinking the thing that you you pays me to talk off the air cuz I don't mind airing it to you Oh, I don't want to let that beat you last year in our own I don't want to let everyone else in on my little we have to add bats to oh, they'll be bad They'll be bad jelly beans, but they'll be lots of jelly beans. So right now we have some We have some questions. All right, so should we read these? We didn't really read these. No, we haven't. You didn't even finish question one. No, I didn't. It says, why should you be in the? OK. So that's that one. How long have you been listening to the podcast? To the pod, yep. Favorite all time jet? We will rank you on that. Yep. See you next time. Have you played fantasy football before? Mm-hmm. We don't want noobs, but we'll take ya. We don't want ya, though. Um... And not that this really matters, but we're interested in hearing about where you live. Wait, this is not a survey. It's not maybe about the fantasy. I just want to hear about where people live, like, so I can get a sense of, you know, our...we have a lot of ex-patri...ex-pat fans. Not patriots, but New Yorkers. That's true. Six question. It's blank. Oh no, it'll show up for you in a second. It's blank. Oh, well then you're on a... Who is better, Justin or Jake? Oh yeah, that does matter. And you have to pick somebody. Should we use the word better? Yes. Should we use the word smarter? Should we use the word funnier? Everything. Just better. Better. Overall the best should that be Justin or Justin how about this? How does we even phrase that to that rank the podcasters? Should we say who's the better broadcaster? Yeah rank the podcaster. There you go. I always have to give us a rank great one or two We said we're gonna do it on ESPN still gonna do any 10 persons or seven bird non keeper Seven slots, right we already allotted one. Steven I think. Right, whose idea this was. It was. And again, must have a Jets player active on your roster, not just on your roster, he has to play, start for you every week. Except the bye week where nobody will be playing a jet because the Jets won't be playing. That's true, and then you can play anybody you want. If your guy gets hurt, too bad, get his replacement. Get his replacement. Or. Bye. hope nobody claims his replacement off the waiver line. Yeah, I mean, I can't think strategy. You might get stuck with the punter. Yeah, you don't want the punter. But you can have the kicker. Sure, you can have the kicker. You know what? You almost want to get the kicker, but you're worried that if you wait too long to get the kicker, don't get the kicker. You don't get the kicker. And then you then everybody else is gone. Then you literally pick it up like... You're playing Joe McKnight. And you're like... You got Chaz. You got Chaz Shillings or Joe McKnight or, you know, Jeff Cumberland. No, I mean, there's two or three guys that actually have value that are kind of like, you know, Dustin Keller did well.
24:01 Jake: Dustin Keller will be drafted higher. Sean Green will be drafted higher than he'll normally be drafted. T-ball would be drafted much higher than normal. I would think Sanchez will get drafted as opposed to not getting drafted before being on the way to a... Nick Volk, I think it would be. Sean Green becomes a higher round pick than in a regular draft. He's probably somewhere in the fifth, sixth round area, and this draft team might be a second round pick. We'll see. That'll be cool. I think this brings, this is what our fantasy should have been last year, because we were talking about our other league. This is good because it's the podcast league. We also will do the Jet Kingdom pick-em. ... which is where we pick games every week. That's the fun and we'll keep that going. So anyway, that's it for this week. We will see you next week. As always, go to JetKingdom.com. Follow us on just Jet Kingdom and Jet Kingdom on Twitter. We're on Facebook, where we do posts sometimes. If we're going to do a podcast, we post our podcast there, so you can always follow us. Facebook.com slash Jet Kingdom. We're on Google Plus and If you're subscribing to the podcast on iTunes Do that because that's the best place literally when we post it you get it probably 10 20 minutes later after we post it Which is great. So that would be tonight. It's on Thursday night Until next week. This is Jake and Justin from the Jet Kingdom podcast saying Let's go Jets!