Panther Dance

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00:19 Jake: Welcome to the Jet Kingdom Podcast, the longest running New York Jets Podcast. Ever. I'm Jake. Joining me 289 times in a row. Justin. How you doing, Justin? Justin: I'm a little under the weather. Getting ready for Thanksgiving. Jake: So we're going to talk about our favorite days of the year. We're going to talk about a lot of cool. Oh, just kidding though, the sound didn't cut out, I just wanted to see if people were gonna freak out. The sound cut out again! Justin: The sopranos fade to black. Yes, it was. Jake: Or they didn't even fade to black, they just like cut to black. Cut to black. Uh, so many theories about that. Well it is... We skipped a week. Yeah, we are on a by. Well, sometimes in the past we've been like, hey, they're on a by, we'll do like a mid-season review, we'll talk about the Jets, whatever. No, we're busy. We're on a by. We took the bye week as a bye week. You fuckers are lucky to even get a podcast today. Justin: Seriously, 289 of these? I know. Jake: We're at 300 next year. That's 288.5 because that last one was half a five. Too bad we can't get to 300 this year. Justin: We're both under the weather as you could hear probably. We could get to 300 this year. Could we? 11. We have to record 11 podcasts. Yeah but... That's unlikely in this calendar year to happen likely and this season We'd have to make the playoffs and make the Super Bowl I mean if just made the Super Bowl you'd be getting a podcast every day for those two weeks. I would fly there Jake: We would do like press credentials and I'll have to do with our press credentials for breakfast. I don't know Justin Super Bowl Justin: duck butter duck butter right on my toast well don't let her toast like avocado toast but better Jake: so much better for you to let's talk about it let's talk about what I was there Justin: the fucking bucks I flew to the fucking bucks Jake: I flew down there I saw the worst game ever I stayed in the hotel they were at the Jets yeah you saw terrible game dude I mean... Anytime the jig's lose, it's a terrible game. Justin: Yeah, but it was just like... it was just badly played. Jake: Why do you lose this fucking game? Justin: Offense was so bad. Jake: We had an actual Mccown game, like a game where he just wasn't good. Like, wasn't... Justin: No, wasn't effective. Couldn't block the bucks.

03:00 Justin: Couldn't run. Well, that's right, we couldn't block them at all. Six sacks. And we ran for dog shit. Like there was no blocking that team. We, we, there were no holes. Um, Balal Powell ran for 30 yards. That was on 10 carries and one of them was for 21. So you take that one away and he ran 9 times for 9 yards. And then Elijah McGuire couldn't get it going either. He ran eight for twenty two. They ran a jet suite once for Darius Stewart for four yards. They literally could not get the run game going. They couldn't get the pass game going. This even the score 10 is a fallacy. They hit they hit Robbie Anderson at the garbage time, you know, with 20 something seconds left. Otherwise that was a complete sham all the numbers are Kind of a sham too because the last drive they were just letting us go down the field fine Right take the garbage garbage garbage garbage bad game fucking Ryan Fitzpatrick. We had him bottled up. They didn't do shit either They scored a touchdown in the fourth quarter, their one touchdown. They didn't do shit. Our defense played well. They deserve better. But unfortunately the offense really didn't come to play on this one. Jake: Can't win games, scoring three points in the first four quarters. Justin: Dude, you can't, you can't win games like that. It's not a, not a thing. Jake: No, it just, it just was. It was kind of what I'd been expecting, like again... It wasn't even a Mc Justin: Fucking Mc I know you dislike him very much. Do you want a Peterman game? Is that what you're looking for? Jake: Is that would you really enjoy that? Oh, you know honestly see what I'm talking about So you're going on talking about the bills and they benched they were five. Wait Justin: Let's get to that when we get to the around the league segment that I love so much Okay, fine, because i'm gonna ask you some questions when we get to that bills Get ready these questions. Yeah, get ready get ready. You're on notice. I'm on you're on the witness list Fuck you get up there and you can't take the fire. Alright, so Jake: Aim, but we know everybody pretty much depressed anybody in press Justin: Not really what was impressive about this game nothing Chad Hansen at his first career catches. That's cool. That's awesome. So that was fun. You know, Robbie Anderson did catch another one of those down the sideline touchdown passes that seem like happened once a game. Every game there's Robbie Anderson for somewhere between 25 and 45 yard touchdown down the right sideline. If you only do it more often it'd be great. It's like the play. Hit Robby down the sideline. Wish you could do it like more in the middle of the field like it doesn't happen there

06:01 Justin: It only happens like when we get down to like the 30, so this one was 38 I guess but I guess Robbie Anderson out of halfway decent games Farron Jenkins had a halfway decent game a lot of that's just Coming out of like Jenkins was told garbage time. Yeah On defense, whatever, we kind of shut them down. But at the same time, they didn't have their best receiver. We didn't have our best corner. Right. I think Claiborne went out again in the middle of this game. I mean, that's the thing with Claiborne. We knew that when we signed him. It's like this guy's like halfway decent. Not a number one, but he's our number one. And he's gonna get hurt and he's gonna miss games and that's what happened. Jake: It just it was a winnable game against a team that could have folded if we had just gone up 14 points, 14-0 and that team would have stopped. Games over. Right. Games over. If you're up 10-nothing Justin: the game's over. Nah, 10-0 man. We couldn't even score. We couldn't score. touchdown till 30 seconds left and we weren't doing shit in that game and it was disappointing because we came off of a big win which doesn't look very good right now because the Bills look like they're the worst team in football and those are doing what the bill they're just disintegrating and then It's like you have this little mini-buy and you're like, all right, we're going to take it to Tampa with their backup quarterback and no Mike Evans. And Tampa's defense is like, well, fuck that. These are the shitty jets. So they just shut us down. Right. And then we go into our bye week and we have to play a seven and three team coming out of it. Jake: With Cam Newton out there, who I just also witnessed. Take one to to Miami, another shitty team. I think we're in for a long day on Sunday. Justin: Hope it's not cold. Jake: Uh, I don't know. It's probably gonna be cold. I've got a cold. Well, I don't want to be sitting in the cold. Get a cold while you get a cold. I've already got a cold. Get a cold. I've already got a cold. Alright, so who's your fool of the game? Justin: Um... I don't know. All of them? The offensive line? They were pretty bad. They were miserable. I mean, I can pick a couple of the offensive linemen, but I think they were all equally terrible. The interior was excruciating. Brian Winters, I don't get it. He needs to disappear. Can we try Dozier? In a game? Jake: We need more help on the line than I think we're willing to admit that we do. Justin: No, that's... I admit it fully. Jake: We... Justin: The Jets the royal have to me basically one legitimate starting Jake: Offensive lineman so interesting enough the person who shall not be named in our little side side chat posted that the was a 2009 that the Jets Went in and same situation where four and six born six when played like Carolina Carolina and beat them

09:04 Jake: Mm-hmm, and then I said, oh well, let's take a look at that roster and I put took a picture of the offensive line Justin: It's like three all pros real pros. It's like yeah that man gold and D brick and I think fan like it was on that team Yes, I mean They had offensive lineman for days on that team. Everyone on that line was really good. And that team went to the AFC Championship. Kevin Clemens started that game, though. Jake: Is that because Sanchez was hurt? Justin: He was hurt for a game. He missed the game as rookie year. And Clemens came in and played and they just ran the ball. Jake: I saw Clemens play the other day. He's a backup. Where was he? I see him. Justin: He came in for mob up duty somewhere like. Think it was for the Chargers. Yeah, I was looking at the bills. Oh god bills terrible Jake: Alright well so that sucks. I'll make it Justin: Clemens another second round draft pick Brilliant hey at least he's still in the league. He's still playing and he's a backup Sanchez is a third-stringer. That's even worse Jake: I pick third-party. All right, let's go Josh McGown. I fold the week. Yeah, he's gonna be here fool like even if we win I think you're It's just I don't know he just it's just Well, listen if he's doing what he's supposed to be doing he's losing It just he looked really bad and just really supposed to win, you know, right again His numbers are inflated take away that last drive and that was a terrible game for him. Oh, yeah Yeah, nobody played well nobody Alright, but that's the past. I do feel like it is the past. It's been a while so it was yeah Justin: It was two weeks ago any big injuries in the game Not to my recollection in that particular game. I mean, it's just clayburn. We did win the bye week though Jake: We did because both the Bills and Dolphins lost more than that. I mean really the Justin: If you look at the wild card situation. Oh yeah, I think we took a step up. We did. Right. At four and six, we're like in the thick of it. The teams ahead of us are not good either. Like everyone's just like us, mediocre. You got the Chargers who we play. You've got Baltimore, who's terrible. Five and five. Five and five, you're in the playoffs. Right now. We're four and six. Right. And we play these teams big games down the stretch we do have like the harder schedule Remaining of any team in the NFL Jake: Records the percent chances winning those games and there's nothing to head over 50% chance No, it's like we play a lot of good. I mean Carolina and New Orleans New England. Just those three Justin: Out of the remaining what, six games? That's right there. You got some pretty good records, right? Jake: Denver in Denver. If we had Denver at home, we could crush them, but they're... Justin: They're terrible, though. Jake: They're terrible, but in Denver, they're still like... They're still terrible. It makes a team look good. Justin: I know. It makes, well, it makes Tampa be maybe better.

12:02 Justin: But their quarterback situation is worse than ours. If that's even possible. No, I would argue that theirs is worse I You have a first round draft pick sitting there Jake: That you pick why he's sitting there Like what he's like a bad dude like he's like that hombre Justin: Like he's a bad hombre who touches kids like what what is his deal? What do you mean? That he's not playing because he's bad at football Maybe that's a number one pick. No first round pick Jake: Hackenberg didn't touch football last year because he wasn't bad because he was red shirted Sure, but he had like guys in front of him Justin: This guy has brock the cock in front of him who's by all accounts an awful football player Well, he's big Brock the cock, but he's by all accounts, right? He's a terrible football player pretty much Jake: Like we know this now with certainty Well, they wanted to sign him and it's only because he got a little bit more money from houston that like they wanted him But it makes me it makes me Think of like elway like aren't you supposed to be good at this like knowing like finding? Justin: Yeah, elway was good at this because paint manning fell into his lap. That was easy right yeah without Peyton Manning is that too many good damn been good without him no so yeah wasted defense anyway and semen so they got the cock in the semen and same team team and they're both bad and then they have a first-round pick from last year that can't see the field he doesn't even dress what the fuck is that so that's way worse than our situation for something That's definitely worse than art if we had a first round pick first rounder that Jake: Played because he did play last year only when seeming at her or semen. Okay, but he started a game even I'd be livid. I don't know why they're just not playing him I'd be livid like just play like we took a first round pick play he's got a play right time to play Justin: All these if Brock was okay, I'd be like We have a good defense. Let's like Stick with Brock a little? No, Brock's fucking terrible. They gave him the chance. He was terrible. They said, let's try the cock now. You know, we had the end product. Let's try. Let's start with the production out of the cock. And it just wasn't happening. Jake: I don't know if that's worse than us because they do like they have no quarterbacks and we have no quarterbacks. Justin: Yeah, but they have no quarterbacks and they've tried really hard. We kind of didn't. We signed Josh McCown. We re-signed Ryan Fitzpatrick. With Peyton Manning. With Peyton Manning. Jake: 5, 4, no. Have they won? Yeah. Well, 2 of them away and we won with Peyton Manning. 3. That's great. Okay. That's in the pass. I'll take that. It's in the past. Justin: Yeah, it doesn't matter. So what? That's in the past. Jake: We have no future.

15:00 Jake: There's no... They don't have a future either. They're in the same boat. I feel like... They're in the worst boat. Justin: They have a first round pick. That guy's on there for an extra year and for more money. They're in the worst boat. Jake: Cut him. You can't. Alright. Eating money for three years. So we won the bi-week because we got better. Yeah. Justin: We moved up in the... All the teams we wanted to lose lost basically. Jake: So what am I doing here? Doing some around the kingdom? The round look around the league? I got two weeks to go. No, just do last week. Last week? All right, just do last week. What are you going to do? Two weeks? Stupid. All right, Thursday night football. It's nothing but a comeback story. get destroyed this is actually the week of drawing if you look at the scores there's a lot of like destructions this week in fact I'm looking like oh my god there are there's like four or five games that we're just destroyed bring it Steelers go in destroy the Titans Titans not looking very good dealers looked great eight and two Steelers can they I mean I guess I keep asking the same question are the first of all Titans done Six and four? Not in that division. I guess not. All right. Steelers are on a roll. Steelers are good. Can they compete with New England? Justin: No, they never beat New England. They're only chances to get them at home. Jake: Bears lions. Lions play down to the bears, but beat them. Justin: Bears have a decent defense and like a landing game. Jake: Why didn't you go take that division? Yes, by a fire. Justin: No, no, no, no, no, no. They can, but Minnesota is better than them. Jake: I don't know if they're better than that team. Justin: They are and they have a better record. So both of those things are true. Jake: Jags keep on keeping on. My Jags. Keep on winning over the Browns who keep on, keep losing. My Jags. Locked 100%. Packers when's the time that the Packers were shut out? Oh, how you still on the Brent Huntley like big is humbly he looks terrible Justin: I know he looks like Peterson Peterman now Peterman Peterman looked like another level of terrible. He'll get that in a second. I can burn terrible Yeah, maybe like petty terrible, but that's basically what you got five interceptions in like a quarter Jake: Well, no, that was Peterman. Yeah, I'm saying Peterman, but Packers, man. Hey, can't fucking score at all. Can't at home. Nope. Justin: Against no running, but by the way, their top two running backs also injured. Not playing. So like literally nothing there. Packers are done. Probably done. Jake: Minnesota is going to win that division and there's no way they can get a wildcard.

18:00 Jake: Cardinals keep on losing. Texan's actually come in and play with Tom Savage. Macho Man, Tom Savage. Shows you that you have some talent. Put a crappy quarterback back there but still could win. But Texans don't really have a very good record. No, Texas don't make the playoffs. Justin: If Watson didn't get hurt, they probably fight with the Jags for that division. Jake: Bucks keep on winning against the AFC East and beat the Dolphins. Dolphins now four and six. What's the Dolphins' final record? Right now, call it five and 11. Wow, they win one more game. Justin: They're not good. And the quarterback situation is pretty brutal. And the worst off-signing of the season. And their defense isn't really very good either. No. As good as it's supposed to be, it's not. Jake: Vikings doing very great, eight and two. They're great. The third best, third best record. Justin: Now, that's a good team because that's just a, they just plopped Case Kingdom in there and they're just, they, they're eight and two. That's a good team. They can run, they can throw. This guy, Phelan does something. Ramms, Ramms. Jake: finally showing a weakness. They were kind of like almost unbeatable. Justin: And they only scored seven points. Jake: So that's a really good defense too. That's not bad for the Vikings to do that. They win. How does that happen? Here's a talk about the craziest of crazies. The Giants win over the Chiefs. And over time. Don't even let the Chiefs score a touchdown. I don't know how that happens. I don't off of a bye week for Andy read All right, I'm going to bed. I'm going to take my turkey. Take my trip to bed and go to bed. Saints in a close one, but hang in there. Beat out the Redskins, which they didn't hang in there. Justin: I mean, while I was sitting with you, were you actually watching that game, paying attention? No, dude, they were down 15 with like three and a half minutes left and they came back and then they ended up winning. St.. Did you walk did you notice that now we were sitting there watching it together you were just watching for fantasy purposes Jake: I don't know what I was watching so Justin: Hey, I was in a haze too, but they were watching They were they were litter I was watching that game and they were down like 15 with three and a half minutes left and they just boom boom down the field and scored

21:01 Jake: And we'll be right back. No. For the Jets. No. It totally is. The five wins when will we have 5 wins? No. Do you want a guy named Nate Peterman? Justin: No I didn't. Well yeah you want a guy named Christon Hackenberg and Bryce Petty to start as the the start of the quarterback. Jake: No. Justin: Yes you do. Not at 5 and 4. Do you want it at14 anytime for the season? There is a big difference. Do you want it now? Jake: Interceptions all gonna be around next. Year. No, that's not a failing. No, they're really only joing for one season Justin: No, that's incorrect. That's bad. That's bad fuzzy logic No, this was a terrible move because you're a teen. was a third round pick, right? And they said, you're the starting quarterback, kid. Go out and win this game. Nope, it isn't. It's one game. Jake: It's one game. It's just one game. You can't be more wrong if you try. Nope, I can't. I can try, but this is one game. That's like taking the Patriots and saying, look at whoever the third quarterback is and now, and starting for Patriots at eight and two. No. The point is situational. If the point is situational. This was game 1. It was Peterman. Do you think it would be a good game? Yes. Why? Because he probably would have been a win. Justin: Dude, did you see, I mean... Put the game on. The game on. It was great. I'm not even sure how to pronounce it. Let's just say it. Let's just say it's great. Jake: Let's just say it's great. Let's just say it's great. Justin: Pop-ups in the air. Yeah, like this guy like barely it looked like he'd never played football before you're but that's okay Jake: But that's the bills drafting a bad guy Justin: Who's there aren't we the Jets who drafted a bad guy or two and who are terrible? How would we know unless we saw them play unless we do know see the bills? It's really the coaches fault for playing the guy, because he should know. But this guy sucks! But not at five and four. At any record. At any record, he should be like, no, Nate Peterman's actually bad. Jake: They're fucking cold throughout their playing brisket. Like, they don't give a shit. They're just playing some backup quarterback. They know they're gonna ruse. Justin: Yeah, but they don't have a starter. They have a starter who's injured. Jake: But they have a starter who's injured. They don't have a choice. They don't have a choice. The bills are stupid. The Colts don't have a choice. Justin: The Bills being in a winning record. This is, you know what this is?

24:02 Jake: This is the I want you to take the records and stop it. Justin: Stop it with the records because the records are irrelevant. Jake: I'm talking about irrelevant when you start a quarterback during the middle of the season. It's not irrelevant. We're oh in whatever right now you'd be asking this bird so it'd be relevant Justin: But then the way it would be important to play in That game is what is more important the record at the end of the game Jake: I'm talking about why you do or do not start a no no no no stop. That's what you're talking about, okay? What are you talking about? The actual quarterback play was bad. Next. It was so terrible. No one's already. Justin: That's exactly what you would get if you were to see any of our guys. No, that's not. We know this. No, we don't know this. Jake: Teddy was this bad. He wasn't really bad. He was pretty bad. He didn't even finish games. Well, he got hurt. Yeah. Every time two games it wasn't like it's not every he started how many games three and And how many did he finish one? That's pretty fucking bad I know Justin: Won right which was bad for us every game he started he's so good. Oh, that's This what what you saw at a Peterman is what you would see if Hackenberg played in a game I'm convinced of it. Jake: Well, then fire the general manager for drafting him. Justin: Okay. Okay. I can get on that bandwagon actually. Jake: Because literally, like you're telling me that we are so bad at drafting quarterbacks that by the way, you then want to, you get, as you said, the beginning season, we have McAllen in here because McAllen only loses and he's gonna get us all the way to getting a better quarterback. back. Okay, well he's not losing as many games as he should be and we're not gonna really we're now down like the 12th spot or something in the draft 10 9 10 i'm looking at the playoffs fuck the draft. See you're doing it again You're doing the exact same thing with this. I want the playoffs. You did it with fit. That's right I want to win. I want to win. Oh my god This is how dumb you are. I want to win. This is what happened to you two years ago I want to win. I want to be in the playoffs. I want to be in the playoffs. You're gonna miss the playoffs You're gonna win and you'll be right back to where you are today. You're gonna be trapped terribly But you're not winning games Darren Lee isn't winning you games he might he cannot win you can't become the count back there That's short-term Justin: Darrin Lee's long term Darren Lee's long term. Oh, see this is where you know Jake: you know, you're in a stupid cycle of mediocre mediocre mediocre mediocre mediocre mediocre no quarterback mediocre no quarterback mediocre Stop we still have no quarterback. It's not as though like Stop the so are you saying Hackenberg's worse or I don't know I've never seen the kid play you didn't watch preseason I've never seen him play in a real game put him out the let him show five interceptions Justin: I do that shit is gonna happen great at some point this season once we're like mathematically eliminated

27:05 Jake: We're gonna they're gonna say Todd you gotta play the kids plan that all the Jeff fans were so cool about was that they that McCown who's only known for losing only one Yes great hey that means we have good coaches Hey, we have good coach I want to be that's what that means to me Justin: I want to be in shitty land or winning. Let's move on because Peterman is your is your hackinburg Jake: Go on. You don't know that. I do. I mean you're, well you're saying it but I know it is more the petty not Hackenberg. Hackenberg was, is worse. How do you know? Because I saw him playing the preseason and he's fucking terrible. You gotta show him throw five interceptions in the game. Justin: He played so bad against the Giants in the game three which is the the dress rehearsal game. Right. Against the two and whatever Giants. They made whoever great defense would you show really so great. They're so great. How'd he do last last week? Jake: They're so great. How many wins do they have how many how many wins do they have cuz they're offense really? Justin: They lost their really one their defense is not very good. You know that right Alex Smith do last not good But can a guy have a bad he is good. He's very good. So he can have a bad day, but but Hackenberg can't Jake: So you say, oh, go back and look at Alex Smith. I think the guy you want to be on our team next year against the Giants couldn't score a fucking I believe in that game. Justin: Three of the preseason, we had negative yards at halftime. Let's just put it that way. Great. And turnovers. Many. And sixes, I believe. Jake: Good. Alex Smith is a 10 year vet to score a touchdown against the Giants. This crappy D. Justin: You know that that defense is not good, right? No. They have two wins. That is a bad team. Jake: They're inconsistent, but when that defense plays well, they're good. Justin: They're bad. They're not good. They're not. They're not a good defense. They're a bad team. They have two wins. They did. Good for them. They had a good day. Every, every, any given Sunday. Jake: I guess the Jets are the same way. We're not a good defense. Any given Sunday. Okay. Patriots keep on winning. Destroy the Raiders. Unbelievable. Raiders. Not not good. Not there. They're in the pits. Super strange. I know. Eagles the best team in football. Not a doubt anymore. Justin: Pretty darn good. I think the Patriots are still the best team in football, but damn, Jake: the Eagles are fucking good. At this point, it was Eagles Patriots and Eagles win. Justin: In the Super Bowl, I wonder who would be favorite. Jake: Super Bowl, I would be worried just about when it's first year. Just like first year stuff. Justin: Hey, let me ask you a quick question. Is there a quarterback in their 20s that you would like, this excludes like Rogers and Brady and Breeze. Chop off a finger. Like, who's the guy? Who do you want? Jake: It's gotta be Wentz, right? the ones out there today.

30:00 Jake: Yeah, all the starting QBs that have been drafted over the last like six years or something. Russell Wilson's in that class, so I think I think Russell... He's in that class. That's a toughie, right? Justin: You didn't think about it. Jake: No, I take I take I'm just looking at the teams here. Oh, man. So... Matt Matt Ryan class to 30 you sure yeah, I don't know yeah, cuz he's been around since Vicks days Yeah, I don't know about that Jags Browns Ravens Packers Cardinals Texans Not enough out of like say it Brad bucks. No, I want Winston. a little bit. They're golf theres one, but no cheese those are not in there. Redskins, he's Kirk, he's 28, so there we go. There's one. No one on the Chargers, no one on the Bengals, Broncos, no thank you. No one on the Patriots, oh, Car. So Car, Dolph, Wentz, Dak. Justin: Winston, Mariota. Jake: Winston, Mariota, and Russell Wilson. Got you, Wilson. That crew, I'm taking Wilson. So. Justin: Super winner I love Russell Wilson, so I think I go Russell Wilson too, but damn it's that's fucking close man This guy went to once. Oh, no. I haven't seen enough out of them get you second year Jake: I have a thing I went to a rebel in the second row more impressive than being really good in the post shit that he's doing holy crap You know there's a talented guy down in Cincinnati who I've seen do some amazing shit all season long and shit the bed every fucking playoff, so until you do it in the playoffs. Fair. Fair point. Four road games. Mr Sanchez. Fair. That too. Fair Justin: point. Okay. Yeah, I will always stick with my man Russell, but he's definitely. Jake: If you took him out of that class and definitely. Wences or Dak. I don't know. I think they're both. Like Dak had an amazing year last year and and and Wences having an amazing year this year. Justin: Don't the the I Will he be used on my list? I'm saying on the list of. I mean he's like, you know NFL MVP and made it to a Super Bowl just a year ago. Nope. I Jake: I'll tell you that that post Super Bowl thing that little hissy. Oh, and the female thing he did the other way. Now he's too much in his own head. I'm sorry. Now let's move on. I want to down there. Let's move on. All right. Down to earth. Okay. Are we moving on to? I don't know. We're moving on to? Well, I don't know. You're moving on to? We're done. Yeah, let's talk about our pick them. How are you doing in the pick them, buddy? Oh, I had a bi week last week. Justin: I took a bi week. Jake: So you took a bi week. So what are you trying to say? I try to say that you're just intentionally losing.

33:00 Justin: You said I took a bi week because the Jets were on a bi. So I was like, you know, explain this. Jake: So you could have picked. Justin: I could have and I chose not to. Jake: I'm tanking. For why? Justin: For a better pick next year? I just forgot. I did not forget. I will not admit that, but I can't win so I was like, fucking I'm not even doing it. I actually just consciously decided not to do it. Jake: Anyway, you are terrible. Justin: Well, since today's only Wednesday and we're doing the podcast right now, I have my picks in front of me and I'm ready to go this week. Jake: Oh, great. Alright, here we go. I'm in third place, so good for you. Justin: You're a loser. I'm going to keep. Jake: No factually correct. I'm winning. Thanks. Justin: Do let's do some Thanksgiving. Yes. Pick every game against the spread. We'll start with Thanksgiving and then we'll move on. By the way, Thanksgiving three games on the Thursday and then one, two, three or four o'clock. There's no more buys, right? Right. So we got all the teams. We got lots of games and lots of 4 o'clock games, which is a good thing. So let's start with Thursday, the 1230 traditional start in Detroit. Minnesota going to Detroit. Minnesota favorite on the road by three because they're really good. Tough game though, Detroit stuff. Jake: Team at home in division like Thanksgiving. I'm gonna usually lose on Thanksgiving. So I'm gonna pick miss I think they like usually lose. I feel like that's a record. That's the thing. I'm gonna pick Detroit Justin: It's a new Detroit. All right, and then the traditional 430 which is when I'm like trying to squeeze in some food and like catch the game at the same time is the Los Angeles Chargers going to Dallas and the Chargers are favored at Dallas on Thanksgiving. That's strange. Dallas is Sucking without Taryn Smith and without Ezekiel Elliott. Yep. And Dak, who looked like an all-star last year, looks like kind of just like there's no left tackle to protect him and no running back to just hand the ball to get all those tough yards. Jake: They're not like changing it up. Again, what Seahawks do is, okay, you lose everybody on your line. You're like playing... Thank you. people you just signed off the street, change it up. Like, don't just do it. They're built on this whole great kind. It's called being creative. Right. I feel like they will eventually do it. So I feel like this is the game. I'll take Dallas. Justin: I got the Chargers. That defensive front is Joey Bose is a fucking monster. Alright, and then a stinker at night those two I think are pretty good games and then As long as Dallas like shows up and then we got Washington Hosting the Giants are coming off a win and Washington coming off a bad loss Washington favor by seven and a half. I think they blow the Giants out of the water here

36:03 Jake: I don't know what you've seen in the Washington game that you've seen that why they just water they just Justin: Scored 31 against New Orleans in New Orleans Jake: And then let them come right back in and win understood Justin: But scoring all those points against a really good defense and a half in division too much Giants Okay. All right NFC South matchup one o'clock on Sunday Atlanta hosting Tampa ten and a half Went from 10 to 10 and a half don't like the half. I'm gonna take Tampa. It's too much too much Jake: There's a lot of too much if you're if you're in that boat. I will be and I'll oof Jesus the Miami game Justin: There's a lot. I won't talk about it. We'll get to all these but there's a lot of them You're taking Tamla? Taking Tamla. All right. Since he's hosting Cleveland favored by nine and a half, I think that one's probably all right. I'm going to take Cincinnati. Jake: Yeah, I'll take Cincinnati in Cincinnati. Cleveland's about to give up. About to? Well, I mean, just literally stop playing. They might just like lie down on the field and just say, well, they don't know what Justin: they're doing with the quarterbacks. And I mean, I don't know how that coach is still a coach. Jake: The only thing that makes me feel good as a Jets fan is Cleveland. Justin: How's that coach still have a job? He's a great offensive coordinator, but I don't know how to see all for us it. I mean he hasn't won in like Like like two calendar years. I feel terrible all right, whatever Tennessee going to Indy Tennessee favored by three down from four and a half Strange. I like it. I'll take Tennessee. I have to give less points now. Jake: Is it like Indy and they're like bye week? I don't know what happened. I don't know what happened. Justin: Why it started at four and a half and went all the way down to three. Jake: I'll take Tennessee as well. Justin: OK, that was tricky. At Philly, we have Chicago. Jake: Let's skip a three there. Justin: Yeah. Last one o'clock game because all the AFCs games are at one. So we have Philly hosting Chicago. Philly favored by 14 and a half. I like Chicago on the road here because of the points. It's just too much. It's too much, right? 14 and a half. Are you expecting to fill you to just blow everybody out? No, all the time. They'll stop. I'll take tacos like got a decent run game and a decent defense. They should be able to control it a little bit. All right. Seattle at San Francisco, San Francisco getting seven and a half at home. Love home dogs that are getting more than a touchdown. So I'll take that. Jake: Oh, that's a tough one. I don't even know what to do on that. I want to go Seattle. Justin: Seattle just isn't, I mean, they're so injured. Yeah. Jake: They're just so injured on defense, but what's San Francisco trotting out there to like score points? Yeah, but when Justin: Really if the rough they weren't I don't know I would hope so for san francisco's sake but for seattle like to be missing sherman and chancellor

39:04 Justin: for the rest of the season Ugh, that's brutal. Their offensive line still stinks. Alright, Oakland's hosting Denver. Oakland's favored by five. I have Oakland. Because I don't know what Denver's deal is. Jake: There's a too bad team, but I'll take Oakland. Justin: Alright, then we got the Los Angeles Rams. Are hosting New Orleans? The Rams are favored by two and a half and New Orleans is really good. So I'll take New Orleans Jake: Yeah, I think they just showed the Rams show that they're not the powerhouse and there's chinks in their armor I don't think there's many chinks in New Orleans's armor They can run the ball. They can throw the ball and they gotta They're good defense top 15 defense. They're gonna win games. I think their defense is like a top five. Okay Well, and there you go. I think it's like give me say really good defense All right, you'd be the traveling but I don't know It's not like they have a good deal advantage in the fucking los angeles Justin: No half half that stadium is empty. So then we got jacksonville at arizona And Jacksonville's favored by five on the road in Arizona, and I don't think they're ready for that. So I'm going to take Arizona. Jake: Oh, I think Jacksonville can beat them by five. I'll take Jacksonville. Justin: I just don't know if they're ready to be like road favorites by more than a touchdown or more than a field wall. You know, still Blake Bortles. All right. Night game. This probably looked really good when they made the schedule. Oh, yeah. This was I wonder why this wasn't flexed. Is flexing not a thing yet? I think it's week 10, and so... Aren't we past that? I don't know. This should have been flexed. Pittsburgh is hosting Green Bay. I guess this will draw well anyway. And maybe NBC was like, fuck it, the ratings are going to be great on this regardless. Jake: Well, and you got one... at least you have... Two terrible teams you have one good team Yeah That has a lot of fans even though the team that has a lot of fans are gonna watch any of these have lots of fans Justin: And there's lots of fantasy players in this game which also drives ratings as well for these one game You know Thursday night game and the Sunday night game and Monday night terrible. Well, they they always have to her way. So it's Pittsburgh What I say home 15 I got green Bay just cuz I don't know 15 just seems ridiculous Jake: 30 to 0 might be And pisperg. Oh, it's gonna be terrible. I feel I'm taking pisperg Some of these games are gonna go over by the by the you know, these massive sprech and then we got baltimore hosting yustin Justin: Baltimore favored by eight too much. Houston. I'll take Houston. I don't know why but i'm gonna take it Houston Alright, then we got the AFC East. Did you set this up or what? No, you didn't. Alright, fine. I'll read it off to you. So we have Kansas City is home. Oh. So it's Buffalo at Kansas City. Yeah. Kansas City is favored by 11 and a half points. So I imagine Buffalo is going to go back to Terrod Taylor.

42:00 Justin: What do you think? Thank you for watching! Yes. So that was a mistake. Jake: They could have they could have won that game if they hadn't let the other team get up by that much point. Justin: Like probably probably bad coaching move by a rookie coach probably signals that Tarrad Taylor's done in Buffalo also. So he'll hit the market next year. I imagine not not interested personally. Um, just not. Not a good fit because he's really you need a very specific offense for him to run and Buffalo's defense is basically a pile of shit. I Mean the Jets put up 30 something against highest score of the year. Yeah, which I thought was looking great at the time, but Now it's like a couple weeks later, it's like, well, Buffalo's defense has given up about 130 or 140 points over the last three weeks, which is pretty goddamn miserable. Jake: All that said, you turn the ball over five times. I just don't think it's going to be like that. Casey's coming off of that game. Justin: All that said, I still got to pick Buffalo here with the 11 and a half. Oh, yeah, in terms of the spread. But I do think Kansas City beats them. And I feel like they beat them like something like 27 to 20. Jake: OK, yeah, I think it's more smaller, small ball. Casey wins 18, 15 of those. Justin: Gotcha. All right. Next one is a new an AFC East. match up here. Miami's going to New England and New England's laying 17 and a half. To Miami and we're not even sure if who the quarterback for Miami is but we don't really care. It doesn't really matter. We don't care right. No weapons, no Jake: line, no running, no team. They've given up. They're done Justin: right done done. Do they score touchdown? Jake: garbage but no I have my mind 31 to 9 yeah I think 31 is low their new ones Justin: low be cold yeah I'm gonna go I'm gonna go higher than that I'm gonna go 40 to 6 nice yeah cuz Yeah, all right no explanation needed beyond the millennium Jake: Game a lot of Panthers coming to the New York Jets. You got to bring it. We got to bring it jets Bring it Panthers favored by four and a half Justin: No respect for the Jets at home We've actually played well at home. We played well at home, we dance, we get the defense going. Jake: I think uh... Justin: Maybe throw the peanuts music on to get the guys dancing. What is the keys to the castle? Jake: All right, to beat the Panthers. Justin: There's one thing that we have historically had a very hard thing, a hard uh time dealing with.

45:03 Justin: And it's running backs who catch the ball. And they have one. They have one. Jake: And they run a lot of plays for him specifically. And if they don't throw it to him, then Cam just takes it for six yards. Yeah, I haven't really watched a lot of them. You just saw them. Justin: So like you saw what their offense is capable of. Put up a fucking whoop down on dolphins. Did they run over them? Did they like? Do Dink and Dunk to the to the like the McCaffrey. I know that they just got rid of Kelvin Benjamin. I know Olson is slated to play in this game, so he's coming back. So that's again, tight ends. Running backs is actually where we struggle. I'm not worried about like Funches. I'm not worried about their receiving core. I'm not running about I'm not worried about like running straight up the middle. Yeah, and like the other thing i'm a little bit concerned about is they have a good defense when Luke Kuechly plays. Right. And if Luke Kuechly is playing, which I'm pretty sure he is, they're really hard to run on. And if we don't run, we don't win. So two keys. We have to Like slow this like McCaffrey Dink-and-dunk, you know beat our linebackers Situation down and we have to run the ball But I feel like I got to run the ball Jake: But I feel like we played like McCaffrey like if you like we've played this guy who well Justin: I think McCoy is as a great now they don't but they don't use McCaffrey the way that the Bill's used McCoy. Well, first of all, McCoy's a running back and he runs. MacCaffery's a running back who doesn't touch the ball as a carrier. He doesn't. He's not in the game. Jake: But they give him the same. They give him the same plays, which is they run it outside and they fake motion to him and they pass it to him and he runs it. So it's like it's an outside run, whether it's a, you know. Yeah, I think this is more of like a Justin: like a Dion Lewis James White situation than it is a McCoy. He's not as good as McCoy, first of all. And McCoy's more of a runt, like he's gonna get 20 carries Jake: and he might catch a few balls. Whereas this guy's like, I'm in the game to catch the ball. But that's what I'm saying, like, I feel like we, well. I feel like we match up well against this because this is the entire thing of our defense was getting younger and faster to be able to stop this because last year and yeah, that's what I was saying. Justin: Historically, we have an issue with this. We get let's let's see. Jake: We've done a good job, I think, on these types of plays. If it's not this player, because we have faster, younger, Oh, it's Darenly. You can get out there and make those tackles for two yards, not for like. Right. Justin: It's Darren Lee and it's Jamal Adams and it's not it's not Damario Davis David here David Harris and going all the way down the field Jake: Right and it's got to be a prior. It can't be Damario Davis covering him

48:00 Justin: It's got to be Darren Lee covering him right or Jamal Adams or something. It can't be Somehow they get it Jake: so that it's matched up with the other day. I think once that stops the work, if we can make that stop work fast, because that's where I'd come out, I'd be like, if you're gonna stop this first. I'd just knock him the fuck around. Right. He is a running back. You can hit him. And Cam Newton is not accurate. He's not. No, he throws off his back foot a ton. Right. He'll throw you some picks if you get them. And got a cannon though. And if you stop him, right? Well, you have to get down the field. But if you stop him and make them kind of like none of the trick stuff's working, I don't think they're a good team. Like they've been played very inconsistent this year. Very inconsistent. Justin: I think they're when you saw them play the Dolphins. Right. Yes. Just this past week. And they crushed the dolphins? Crushed. What was the score? He was 41 something. Holy shit. Yeah, I didn't even watch the game, but wait, hold on. This is Monday night. Often I don't watch because it's generally just a terrible game. Uh, let's see. It doesn't really matter. But as you were watching 521. Holy shit. As you were watching and observing like is he. Is he protected well? Like, you know, the Dolphins have, you know, Dama Kintsu, they have Wake, like they have guys who could sort of get to the quarterback. Jake: Like, could you see us getting to him a little bit? I know, because we're not really a good sacking team. I mean, yes, we did. Like, we pressure guys. I think we pressure them. I think we could pressure them to making mistakes. Justin: Okay. Jake: Is he? Can he be sacked? Is he like a Big Ben where it's like, no, you're not bringing me down and I'm gonna make a play here? Or what's the deal? I think it's more dangerous than Big Ben because Cam Newton can take one farther if you don't get him down. Like, Big Ben's not gonna run 30 yards. Big Ben's old at this point. He's not doing that. I just feel like the Panthers had the game of their life last week at home Monday night and just lit it up. I feel like they're gonna have a little bit of... Justin: They'd be like, I have to save some East End shit. Jake: Yeah, I kind of have that feeling. So I think, I mean, Key of the Castle is making sure which is making Kamen to the person he's not. If you just let him start the game and to get rolling, he can destroy you. He can he'll run the ball. He'll throw the ball. He'll fake, you know, play action and you're gonna be fucked all game long. But if you get him off his, get him off his place where he's not playing well, and some of the plays don't work, he starts throwing picks, I think he collapses. I think he has got that mentality where when he's balling, you're fucked. It's kind of like Vic. Like when Vic was balling, but when Vic started throwing picks... and he would just collapse, and he would be terrible for the rest of the game. Some quarterbacks like get better, like Peyton Manning got better. If he threw two picks in the first quarter, he threw three touchdowns in the fourth quarter. I think Camp Newton was a guy who like, if he's not mentally successful. Mentally just not there. Like can't forget the last point. Again, it's the guy who sat there at the press conference in the Super Bowl. Right, can't forget it. And couldn't answer those questions about how you just.

51:00 Jake: played one of the worst games of your life in the biggest stage ever. So I feel like that's it. If we can keep this game low in the beginning and not let him get out ahead, I just, and keep the crowd in there and keep the defense all pumped up. Crowd's gotta be pumped on defense. But honestly, it's not about, it's about being able to move the ball. So the thing we can't do, we're not a good team of just being able to take the ball at the 20 and go down the whole field. in a methodical way to take time off the clock and to always score. Justin: The offense is designed to do that. We just don't have the players. Well, right. Jake: That's it. I understand. It's designed to do it. We just punt. We punt. And then we got our defense. And if we do that game, the punt, punt, punt. So what do you got? I'm not winning. What do you got? Well, of course the Jets win. Of course. They're going to win. Think we'll stick win our range our normal range 26 21 J. ETS. Yes. Yes. Yes. So Justin: To be cheeky. Yeah, I've got us winning. Yeah by the same score we won in 2009. Oh, that's very cheeky 17 6. All right. All right. Well, we'll be back next how good that Jake: Points we'll be back next week six points they gave up in that game with a backup quarterback playing We're back next week until then Jake and Justin saying let's go jets