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Machine transcript generated in 2026 by Grok Bot from the episode audio (Whisper small.en + sherpa-onnx speaker diarization). Speakers labeled Opening / Jake / Justin. Timestamps about every three minutes. Diarization note: HOST_LOCK: after Opening, host/welcome voice = Jake; other = Justin; host-welcome cluster=1 @ 27.1s → Jake; other-primary cluster=0 → Justin; intro-self-ID Jake confirms host; Jason-ref Jake cluster 1 sim=0.75.

00:24 Jake: Welcome to JK Ever! I'm Jake. Join me. Fucking late. But here anyway. Justin: Better late than never. Better late than ever. Except for when you're late. Better late than never. Except for with your girlfriend. Are you my girlfriend? Late? You don't want something late? Oh, I get it. That's like, impossible. Physically impossible. Yeah, I wouldn't say that we have some people who Good news is he does not list this podcast physically impossible does not although Maybe if we talk enough about UI and the Macagon Macadont fired Later, all right. Well, you don't need to talk about that jackass coach not yet for a while So have a couple let's talk. We have a big agenda today. We got Jeds versus Chiefs You have some secret agenda here You have some secret thing that you alluded to with me earlier You and another person and another person might forget him I well that we should talk about him because both of you. Yeah can just play the Jake: I'm fucking wrong. Oh, yeah, I'm wrong. I thought well Justin: All right, pretty good. Anyway, I got another thing to talk about. Yeah, but let's talk about the agenda Jake: I thought we've run the kingdom. What do you want to talk about other shit? We'll do the jack kingdom fantasy league Yeah, man, two seconds now you want to talk about it Justin: First place here we go. Just want to talk about it and then we'll talk about our other fantasy league Jake: You want to talk about that or what? Yeah, pick up the one that I ran that one that you run the one that you run That were in the playoffs. Justin: Oh, that one. Yeah. Jake: But you said that one too. All right. Justin: Dude, you did a great job on that one. That was great. That was great. AJ Green did a monster job last night. Jake: We go up against the same guy the next week. Like, we just beat him, and now we have to play out again. Justin: Hard to beat someone back to back. Well, that's not a thing. And did you see last night, AJ Green had this catch. It was like an 80-yard touchdown catch. Jake: I got football after the Jets. Justin: It was an 80 yard touchdown catch that got caught back that got called back on like a bullshit holding call on a running back Yeah, oh you're kidding. Yeah, no kidding Jake: We'll do the pickup we'll do thrown picks we'll talk keys the castle how we beat these motherfucking Broncos Yeah, I'm gonna call today are gonna beat the wrong. We start off by talking about the game that was, the game that we were both at. The chefs? We took on the Kansas City Chiefs. The chefs. I don't know, first impressions, first thoughts. I just rewatched it. Justin: I rewatched it as well yesterday. I rewatched it yesterday. I did the condensed version. Yep, me too.

03:01 Justin: And I've gotta say, I was impressed. By what? The team. Okay, the team as a whole because this is a game jets the jets This is a game when we went down 14 nothing five minutes into the game Last year we would have lost 41 to 10, right and this year We won and guess who won it the flippin offense won the game. Yeah the flippin offense Did the things that we've been you more than me but both of us have been kind of bitching about that they can't do and they Jake: Did it they did it the whole damn game you want one fucking number that let us win this game 4249 to 1711 yeah, they did score on huge plays, but still yeah, we had the ball the whole damn game like this is this is the thing that My, like, ooh, love of this game goes from like really kind of like, oh great we won. But this doesn't feel like a really big win because... Really? No. Why not? Justin: Because rewatching it... Jesus Christ we were terrible on defense. Yeah, defense was not good. And the secondary... Burnt. Burnt. ...got fucking toasted. Burnt toast. Jake: And that was depressing. Justin: Yeah. Did you see the I mean, I mean, guys falling down will burn anybody and then play back. Do you know what's funny is I re listened to that because I was so excited about it. I re listened to our last week's podcast. Yeah. And really to the end where it was keys to the castle. And you had asked me, you always asked me first, what's the keys to the castle? And I said, we got to stop Travis Kelsey. Right. We didn't and we cannot let Tariq heal beat us down the field and we did The two things I said we needed to stop do it like stop. Yeah We're the things that we did not stop. Can I ask you a question? They need to start listening to this cuz we're good at this Jake: Okay, go back and listen if you go back in sorry look at that game again, and I this is why I'm like Yeah, I'm totally excited we win. Again, it's kind of like in the game, I'm totally excited. And I leave it, I'm like, ugh. But here's the thing, if you went back and watched it, and you did. I did. We won by the smallest of small margins, because it's not the score, it's how we won. And how that fourth quarter went down and how those Justin: Three penalties. Yeah, the trees were very in just no discipline the fucking I mean that's why they've lost Six of their last seven games or something so I it's it's like the impressive depress is amazing the impressed Jake: Oh, let's go deep as deep as I like I want to give a fool to the secondary that was the worst I've ever and I just it was all of them too it wasn't just one Justin: every like Marcus may got a screen actually had a good game yeah but the screen had a nice play against Hill but if you watch the second Kelsey touchdown was on one play yeah it was it was a one-play drive and it was it was literally Kelsey just

06:02 Justin: Burnt Marcus may yeah like one-on-one and he thought that he could have cut in front instead Kelsey went up the sideline and Jake: He was just wide the fuck. How about how about the play that where Alex Smith runs 80 fucking yards down the field? Justin: Well, that's that's not in the secondary. That's on everybody. That's on the whole team. The whole fucking team. I will say Credit where credits do on that particular play if you watch it again Now, it could have been a 45 or 50 yard run, but Adams tried to pop it out. He's trying to make a play. There's a chance you're going to get it. Trying to pop that out. But if you watch who was right there to make the tackle but couldn't because he tripped over Adams who was trying to pop it out, Muhammad Wilkerson was 50 yards down the field. Oh, that's nice. and he was chasing him like a motherfucker. So, so let's, let's just put that, let's put the bad defense and the fact that how about us winning a game playing, winning a 38-31 game. That's down 14-nothing where the defense shits the bed. That's the amazing part is that it's going down 14-0. Jake: Watching this team even this year, although they have not really given up as a team They haven't played well and they haven't played consistently We have not given up and I don't know we've played a game where all three sides You know special teams offense defense have just been Justin: Like I think it's like one of those Miami games perhaps or like one of those games Maybe we put it all together but yeah, we we haven't played a young team this is because Jake: Yes, it's great when the offense can do that. And I guess my really, the really terrible thing, if the offense could have done what it did against the Chiefs, and I can't tell, are we watching it? I'm trying, and I'm looking at it, I'm like, Justin: are we good or they bad? Here's what we were able to do. But can you tell me that? Like, are the Chiefs defense bad? Because that was a great defense last year. Last year. Yeah, but not this year. So first of all. So they went from being literally a top five defense to just being a fucking civ the next year. You know, you lose guys, right? Guys get older. So Tom Bihali, where was he? Not on the field, right? That guy was on the field last year. That was a big guy to sack people. Justin Houston, not the same. He's injured. Clearly they have an issue at corner because they signed Dorell Reavis off the street who, by the way, got benched at halftime. Let's take two seconds and talk about that. That in my category, Robbie Anderson burned the fuck out of. Jake: He did exactly what we wanted him to do. We said it. We wanted to go down the field on him, but he Justin: he wouldn't let him do that. He just caught eight yard touches in front of him. And then, by the way, Reavis, the one thing he was always good at was he was a good tackler forte. on that on one pass that Forte caught, he juked him silly and gained an extra 15 yards. And then they were down on the goal line. And they threw one of those little like, just, it might be a run, but they just threw it out to Robbie Anderson real quick. And he juked the shit out of Reavis too and got down to

09:01 Justin: the one yard line from the 10. So like, these were plays that didn't happen when Reavis but he's not, he shouldn't even be Jake: But let's give let's give cuz It is clear that the cleaning of the house that Mac did worked. From a, did you get rid of anybody of value and get nothing for them, right? That's the big word when you clean house, when you start cutting people, letting people go, or not signing them. and it's like. You missed, right? You let someone go, could've signed them. I think Snax, I think, is the best example of that. Snax is a perfect example. No, we didn't let him go necessarily, but if we did... Well, we did. He was a free agent. We could've signed him. If we could've signed him... Justin: We could've signed Wilkerson, and I think if you went back in history... Our team would be better. If you went in the time machine, Todd Bowles would probably yell at Mack for that. Yes. Like, dude, you took my run stuff and nose tackle. Jake: And our run defense suffered. But anyway, I mean, him coming back, and I was like, I was kind of fearful. Like, what happened to his back? And good. And like, oh, no. Then we made another mistake. Justin: Super rusty. Super rusty. Maybe it's just been, maybe it's rust. But I don't. Too bad for the chief. I'm done giving him the benefit of the doubt because he wasn't any good last year. No. Jake: And, you know, coming off the bench. And he's a classic guy. Watch his interview afterwards. And he's like, listen, you know. Subs by www.zeoranger.co.uk It's tough and you know, I've been working out a lot. No, he said I've been working a lot But I'm not going to games be games be games be so Again, but let's talk about the the biggest positive. I Actually thought and I you know, it's rewatch is really watching. I'm gonna give it This is a thing that I have one other thing in the podcast. That'll be fun, but I thought McCown played his best game I've ever seen him, the most complete game, and there's two plays that I rewatched, I was like, oh my god. Which ones? Justin: And Hat, he threw the ball- Oh yeah, yeah. Twice Ire coh. Jake: . Justin: Did what he did one from the pocket to do did you notice one of them was like from inside the pocket? And I think there were a couple others where he's rolling out and instead of taking a sack or trying to turn the corner and Jake: The other thing that the defense did which have been I've been clamoring all season I'm saying this is why we're losing games Which again, I don't know if this game makes me right because I do think that last series at the that new goal line Kind of turn the game That we can't take six minutes off the clock with a nice drive. We did that multiple times. Oh, yeah. Now it sucks that we then fucking would give up a fucking touchdown. The next play, like they would take it. Justin: Well, that's why the possessions a little wonky because they had two one-play drives. And I think they'd Look at the yards, they had the yards. The yards were crazy. They had these crazy plays. Jake: Three, 66 and four touchdowns for Alex Smith. Zero interceptions. If I read you that line... Justin: Alex Smith had a great game.

12:00 Justin: You would be like... I ran for 70. I mean, cream hunts. Hill had 185 yards and two touchdowns. the because he was just throwing bombs. Oh, he hit these bombs, yeah. He hit every fucking time. He hit every fucking time. Jake: Which was crazy. I mean, again, I think Screen had the one, and I was really impressed because he does what he never does in a game, which he turned his fucking head at the last minute, and went, RrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrB Justin: This is when we're learning to win. Jake: I just, I love this theory and I- And I used to subscribe to it, that like, from season to season, but as I've studied the NFL like I have, almost, you know, 350 years. A scholar, a scholar that you are. I've just realized that the year to year stuff, there's so much turnover in teams, there's so many turnover in coaches, there's so many turnover in players, that you build the team starting in, you know, maybe in June, and then that's it. Like, You really don't get this thing that kind of last, I'm looking at it this year, that were incredible last year, now they're terrible. Terrible teams last year, great this year. They lost every game and now they're winning every game. So it's like, you can't really say, well you learned to win. Justin: Because they're not really going to learn to win. Jake: But unless you're a young quarterback, and then we can be saying learn to win. Justin: But I don't know if these guys would be able to do that with... Jake: the young And those guys need to learn, then I think McCown's the best job for that. Because I actually... And the offensive line. You know, the offensive line is going to get blown up. That line won't be here next year. I don't know about that. Justin: Watch. The chimp gone. I don't know. We'll probably have a quarter. We'll probably have a quarter. Well, the right tackle's not going anywhere. The right guard's not going anywhere. The center's not going anywhere. The left guard's not going anywhere. I don't think the center... I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I.taboola

15:05 Justin: We are are are are are are are are, I really wouldn't mind knowing where we are now. We're gonna be in the like, you know, and well mid draft is is gonna be Let's see if we can get the best left tackle Let's see if we can just do that. We shouldn't necessarily be talking about the draft though. When we made a fourth quarter comeback, we had a great drive in the fourth, we had a great first half. I mean, at one point in the game though, we, we, again, we were losing 14-nothing. We... It was so quick. It was like, was... And when you look at it, we kind of won, we went on a 20, 21 to three run. Because they were up 14 nothing and at half it was 20, 21, 17. So to me, that's like, whoa. Whoa. Where'd that come from? Right. And by the way, our receivers, Curse and Robbie Anderson, I know, 50 years, two, Oh my God, two, two. Back to back, 100 yards games for each of them. Decker and Marshall didn't do that even in the the year with true back-to-back So that and Kishan never did that two years ago Jake: Like we had two two wide receivers go both over a thousand yards and both have over ten touchdowns each Justin: I know it's not like I I don't know back to back a hundred games like but that year fits broke Jets records what I'm saying. Yeah, I think McCown has a chance at breaking He's at 2500 or so. No, he's not. Yeah, I just looked actually he's almost at 2900 yards Uh, I literally am just looking at him now because I was gonna ask you some questions about him Uh 28 eight that yeah, that's 2900 yards with fits didn't hit 4000 He was at like 39 to hit the record. Oh Yeah, um, well, we'll see. Well, isn't that isn't that a nice sign of like? Maybe the coaching staff's kind of good. So let's get to my question. Jake: I know I'm playing the extreme devil's advocate. I will make- But what has he put on the field today? What has he done? Other than have- This is the Fitz problem. I will make- Other than showing that he is actually- I will make the argument. Okay, because I want to hear it because I feel like if we did this the other way,

18:02 Jake: we had this argument two years ago with Fitz, or three years ago with Fitz, And there was no argument, it was like, no, he should be the starter. Unless we've learned the lesson, I hope that's the argument. Justin: The argument, here's the argument. Yep. I've got a few factoids. Yep. 39 years old. Great. Too old. Too old. Brady's having the best season he's ever had. Brady's the best ever. Fine. Sorry, this guy's a loser. Okay, I mean historically loser. Yeah, he's won more games in this season And he has like in like five years in the past loser Second we're gonna have a chance to go get a guy in free agent a free agent guy and that's what we should do That's what this team needs. They don't need a rookie quarterback. They don't need a 39 year old quarterback. They need a guy who's good, who's in the prime of their career, who can be here for the next five. That guy's Kirk Cousins. That guy, it should be all on purpose. He's a little, a little bit longer in the tooth, but I could see it being Alex Smith. I prefer it to be Kirk Cousins. What were you I'm meaning? He's a little even more longer in the tooth. If it's like a short term bandit, I think her cousins can be the Jets quarterback for the next 7-10 years. Like, he would fit the scheme just perfectly. He's the right age, he's got the right temperament, he is a leader, I've seen it with Washington. So... I think that that's the move. They go out, they sign a free agent, they spend the money they have to spend it anyway. They draft a guy still, they drop, get rid of hack or petty, one or the other, and they keep McKown on the team. McKown should stay on the team. Oh, you can't do that. McKown should stay on the team. I think he would, he would. Four quarterbacks by the way. No, I said you, you get rid of hack, hack or petty. Well, that's one. Then you have. McKown and Kirk. Jake: Yeah. I don't I think he's putting together the season the show that like listen I could maybe be a starter somewhere Justin: No, I think I think they'll want him around Because I think he would be a good teacher just like last year when the Bucks were like, let me we're done with you We want you to be our quarterback coach. He's like I want to play rounds mean Browns. Whatever. It's a different box Brown Well, I'm just saying cuz it's a different team Brown. Those are two different teams Cuz they're they're okay. I love a way I catch you in this shit cuz so rare Jake: But it is a rare drive it in cuz it's not the Browns right? It's not different state right and spelled differently It's got the B. It's got the B though. Can I get the end? Yeah on both of them, right? Justin: Okay, we got pretty much the same. It's pretty much the same. Yes, I got it Jake: I'll make the opposite argument This is the Fitz problem. This is my, this is where I lose sleep at night thinking about this. That's sad. But I think he's going to put together a season. I think we're going 8 and 8 at the least. Justin: Make the playoffs at 8 and 8 by the way. Jake: I could see it. I worked at all the numbers though. It's really hard but whatever. 8 and prospective 8 might be fine there. Fine. 8 and 8. And here's the thing, I think you could say,

21:02 Jake: for the money that we're gonna pay him next year, which is like six million or 12, whatever it is, it's like chicken shit. It's literally like give a shit. Couldn't you just, so I'll make the opposite, couldn't you throw more weapons around him? And if you threw more weapons around him, much better line, much better wide receivers. a stud running bag. Justin: You probably, you're not gonna win a Super Bowl that way. Why? I just don't think Josh would be in a Super Bowl. There's been quarterbacks who've done it. Again, playing different level of get, there's been quarterbacks who are this type of quarterback. I'm gonna try and learn that lesson from year two of FitzEra and say that's not, that's not it. Great. I do think- I hope so. Jake: Because I don't think- I think, here's the problem. I think our staff is now kind of in their head going- Justin: Now. I swear to you, I think they are. They did it before. The same staff did it before. They're going to be very aggressive. Jake: What if he hits all-time records? Justin: Great. Thank you. Thank you for your service. We want you back next year, but we want you in a backup role to teach whoever. And you'll say, fuck you. Look how good I am. Craig, go sign somewhere else. Have fun. Oh, he'll do what Fitz does. Now show up, and then our qua- Go sign elsewhere. We didn't really have an option last year. That was the problem. I just think it's a really- The problem with last year, it is a different scenario. And the problem is that the year two of fits. They were coming off of a year where they were hot to trot. They went 10 and six. They should have made the playoffs. And they had a veteran team. Yeah, they had an old team. This team. doesn't require like if a rookie if they were like okay now we're handing it to Bryce Petty last year right that would have been a problem I think I think I wish they had it would have been a huge problem and it ended up being a problem anyway but I think with this team the way that it's constructed It could probably handle like a rookie stepping in, but I feel as though there does need to be like that. It needs to be that guy who's in the cousin's range, who's in the like... I'm not... I'm gonna name guys who are unavailable, but like in the Matt Stafford range, in the... No, no, not him, but the age, the age range. Like, it kind of needs to be like in the like Geno Smith... Range of I'm just naming shitty guys. Don't worry about it I stopped stop saying these names no, but those are the ages like that like those draft class type of guys like Eli Eli you're kind of just saying alright, give me a better version of Josh McCown at this point All right, like give me give me a super vet who's gonna come in

24:02 Justin: But, you know, be able to learn the offense. By the way, do the thing. Let me let me just just just because you're on the on the Kirk Cousins thing. Yeah. Have you looked at the stats between Kirk Cousins and Josh McConfer? Not interested. And it's not interesting to me. They play on two different teams with two different types of systems and two different types of weapons available to them. It's not interesting. OK, because pretty much across the board. Jake: I mean, Kirk Cousins has a little bit better, he's worse in percentage completion. But here's the thing that worries me about Kirk Cousins, and it's a thing that, the reason I would make the argument is Kirk Cousins and Josh McCown are the fourth most sacked quarterbacks. Tied at 35 sacks this season, right? These are game, those are drive killers. Behind behind Matthew Stafford and Jacobi Brissett right right and then you're on the list like who's like right there? Yeah, this is why I'm gonna shoot down your argument Wow to get down to get to like a decent cousin's Josh McCown 35 Tyra Taylor 34 Andy Dalton 30 Alex Smith 29 These are all guys you take as your starter You would take Andy Dahl, Mr. Turner. Oh, so Travis Cinder in 29, Alex Smith in 29, Cam Newton, 28, Russell Wilson, 28. But you said there'd be close, that's not close. 35 to 28 is not close. Tom Brady, 27. So Tom Brady in- Actually, it seems like a lot for him. And Russell Wilson, well yeah, I think he's getting good. Kaiser, 27. Carson Wentz, he's only set. Kizer hasn't even played with all the games. UiManny26, Dak Prescott 25. So I think you're, when you get down to that, you're talking about actually really good quarterbacks. I mean, Trebinsky 21, but he didn't play for like four games. So that's crazy, his Saxburg game. But if you look at, in the good quarterback range, it's below 30. Anyway. Justin: There are a lot of variables, like Russell Wilson. Jake: He's gonna get sad. But you say that, but he has much less. I bet if I bet you you would have said it. Justin: Well it's not much less though, but he's in the bottom percentage of the lead. Jake: No, he's right next to Tom Brady and Carson Wentz and Eli Manning. Justin: Yeah, but you're reading me like the... But that's from the bottom up, right? No, I'm from the... But right after that he goes into terrible, terrible quarterbacks. No, but you're in the bottom ten. No, not bottom. I'm in the worst. Wouldn't that be the bottom? I don't know bottom or top. No, not in the top. He's a leavens on the list 11th most sack which means he's at the sort of at the bottom 19th It's it's again It's hard because a half these quarterbacks didn't start half the game Yeah, you sort of need to do it by like team team or plays or whatever. Anyway, so just just an interesting Yeah, I'm not I'm not a big fan of guys who take sacks I certainly don't like guys who go backwards and take sacks like I watched Gino still has this terrible habit I watched the other day they like almost got the Giants out of field goal I mean, it's my it's my two. It's my two things about my count is that I feel

27:05 Justin: He here's the thing, you know what he is like he's not getting better. No, but that's not true Jake: He's gonna have his best season he's ever had why couldn't you say he's getting bad better? Why? Justin: He's not getting better. He's playing his best season when he when he played if you look at the stretch of games that he played for the bears Maybe four seasons ago five seasons ago when cutler got hurt and they had to make a really hard decision Do we go back to Cutler when he comes back from his injury or do we keep my count? He had an amazing Jake: Season that year, but a better season now. No, but you're just looking at raw numbers Justin: You're looking at better. You're looking at totals not like averages. Yeah, well and percentage is an average my friend I understand but that's okay. So that's our offense our offense if you're competent, you're gonna okay 70 percent completion in a west coast system That's that That's the way it works. Jake: I mean, he, I would say his touchdown ratio is not as good as it was that year and his his rating was better back then. But other than that, he's having. Well, is that not like the main things he's having is but he didn't play as many games. Justin: Yeah, no shit. That's why you have to look at those things like QB ratings. He's having his best season. Great. Johnny Morton for offensive coach of the year. That's what that means to me. We have a good offensive Jake: Coordinator, I think this would be people out there and I think our I here's my thing with bowls And this is wig away going off our tangent here the tangent of this this podcast I think bowls is a very very very veteran friendly like he's he supports the vets. Like I think he's, I think that's the way he is. Now he's not, we can talk about the benching. He's not afraid to bench them, but I think he gets too caught up in, you know, like, not that I want him to be a macadoo and be like, yeah, fuck you Eli and say whatever. But like, cause that was a franchise player. I don't know. I think someone is going to make a, to make a argument that why not have him start and why not spend that money on other things around him and if you could give him an extra extra second in the pocket have a running game what if josh mccown had iseko elliot back there what would that do to our game if we could actually fucking run the ball we'd look a lot better we might have won three hour games Justin: Probably, maybe, I mean we were able to run the ball in this game. Yeah, it's this. No, we ran the ball. You watch the game, we ran the ball. We ran the ball. Yeah, but it's like, again, I think we run against bad teams. That's right. We were able to run the ball against this team. Run against bad teams. We can really do anything against a bad team. Well, isn't that good? Doesn't that mean we're like, you know, we're better than bad? No. Better. Yes, we're better than good. That's a good thing. We're upset by it. I'm not well You can't be like like I think that you'd like the middle right? We're in the middle. That's it

30:01 Justin: We're in the middle, but would you rather be the Browns right now really just thinking about it? Jake: Now would you rather be the Browns? I better rather be the Colts because I think the Colts of I think the cults will flip it around and there'll be a good team. The cults have Andrew Luck sitting there. Like that's why you'd rather be the cults. Justin: Of course, because you have Andrew Luck just waiting to come back. Maybe, if he comes back. Jake: Yeah, but they're like maybe over it with him. I'll take him. You put in your luck on the jets. We win I have. I have I think that's an argument that the we can have. All right, so let's get out of here Pick your winner of the game. My we're the game. New York Jets. Neither game Justin: You know what? I'm gonna give it to our boy. Josh McCown because he played a fucking awesome game I can't give it to anyone on defense and oh no McCown played I mean, I mean I haven't given this to him yet and he threw for over 330 Jake: Didn't get sacked, threw for one, ran for two more, Justin: Again, we would have lost that we would kick the field goal. They would have gone right there Yes, when they guy when Peter when Peters, when he threw through the flag They said ball and they're like, oh Right that was right below us in our corner. Yeah, he grabbed the flag and he tossed it Jake: I was like, what the hell is he doing? I'm gonna give it to curse because I That was a he had one of the best catches I've seen in jet Justin: Oh that one hander. Yes. That was like a moss or maybe Moss Santana homes homes pre-tones home. I'm sure Brandon Marshall had a couple that we're just not remembering Jake: Yeah, no, I was about to say but man Marshall was one of them But curse that amazing and I think Anderson he might be a fucking diamond. He might be really good You might be a dad might actually might be really wrong on him Justin: Whoa, I just said he's not a number one. He's not physical enough. He's not big enough because he's too easy to tackle Because I but I think he's shown you first of all Jake: He as soon as he's touched as soon as he's touched though. He's down. He doesn't run through a dude Yeah, but he's making these tough catches. He's making tough catches when he's covered and he's making tough catch He's breaking through tackles. He's bringing that watch that game watch him Justin: He breaks tackles again. He's learning maybe yeah, this is good This is why you pounds of like well, he should without losing the speed that would be good Yeah, you can't lose the speed the speeds what makes him good, right? But I know I if you think about next season right cuz these guys are locked in Robbie Anderson's locked in Curse is locked in there's a good trade, right? We got rid of Sheldon who is a bitch in the locker room Yeah, and we got a second round pick back

33:00 Justin: and the starting wide receiver. So if you think about Robbie Anderson, curse and Quincy, yeah, Quincy in the slot. And then Hanson and Stewart were in this game. Yeah, and some mates and nice plays on third down. He picked up two third downs, I think. Stewart's a nice player. Oh, that's a nice five. That's actually not bad. Sure. You don't have like. You know, the AJ Green or the Antonio Brown or the, you know, the, the number one dude who's going to be the top fantasy guy or whatever, but that's a hardworking, you know, blue collar wide receiving crew right there. Right. You know, you know, Quincy could block too. So you know, you, you get a little enhancement there in the run game and he's on pace for Jake: At least 10, 11 touchdowns. I mean, he's at seven touchdowns. Justin: Oh, Robbie Catcher's like a touchdown game. It's weird. Jake: He's at seven and we have many games to go. So like, he could get over 10 touchdowns and be on pace. But count also is eight and 21 yards. That gets into that. Not, I don't wanna be fancy, but like, somebody gets double digit touchdowns and over 1,000 yards. Justin: You're pretty good. You're in the good, right? You're in the good, for sure. Hey, are we missing Eric Decker right now? What's he doing on Tennessee? Yeah, are we missing Brandon Marshall right now? He's sitting on the IR chilling drinking something every smoking a cigar the decisions from the offseason and the Tanking and all the not missing David Harris not missing Nick Matt Maybe missing Nick and man goal, but he's not in the league. Yeah, not missing Dorell Rebus Not missing Sheldon Richardson. No, well not his attitude his play. Yes. He's still if you watch I don't you watch the Seahawks Jake: He's still like a call his number because he threw the back on sacking people and touch it like he's a dominating player Justin: Yeah, but what I don't know what it was a bad fit Yeah, cuz we had three of the same guy right so it's just not a good fit I mean, I'm not good value there. I'm like where is I mean Jake: our front line, which I always feel like is supposed to be this powerful thing, and they really couldn't get to Alex Smith at all. Like, I was watching, I was like, when are they gonna sack this motherfucker? They had a couple sacks. Yeah, it just wasn't dominating enough. Like, it feels like he had time. And when a guy can wind up and throw it 50 yards down, like that guy's got a- Justin: He's a little, he's elusive. So you saw a really good elusive- QB, but you know he was pretty putting on tape for us to recommend for us to get next year So what we did against cam he had no time Jake: Yep, and he couldn't throw the ball anywhere near any alright. Let's go around the around the kingdom who was here You who's your night? Oh my night. I said curse alright. Thanks. No one hurt I don't think we could talk about the benching those kind of tensions. I mean one didn't start You know Matt Muhammad Wilkerson in until like Justin: second quarter and then I was cuz he's he's like perpetually late and then we They literally bench them for the whole game, which was smart. I Jake: Think it's smart cuz he's a young thing. It's a young he's 23 years old He needs to learn that lesson. But if you think of some of the big plays that happened Justin: With the with Kelsey. I feel like now those were happening anyway

36:03 Justin: I'll see well one of them was on Marcus May so that's happening. Yeah, and Some of the other stuff. I don't know You don't know how much that then move people around to like because well they played a linebacker in his position I mean the Jets play Kind of like a nickel their their base defense is pretty much a nickel Yep, they have three linebackers three Lyman and like Buster screen and then you've got your outside corners in your safety. So I Don't know sure is Darren Lee better than Jake: 51 yeah, he's better than 51. That's sort of what I'm saying is like Lee has shown in the last couple games, he's actually been making stops. He's been also, they use him on making pressure to the quarterback. Justin: They use him around. He's getting a lot better. Jake: This is good. This was good. To win and I would say if we lost and with those big plays and maybe they'd score the extra touchdown. I still think it was good. Justin: This is a learning season and he has to learn his lesson. No, dude, you don't get to be late. You're not supposed to be late, dude. You haven't been here for eight years. You don't get that leeway. All right. Let's talk about the the the the Smith, the Geno Smith. I didn't watch any of that game. I did. I loved it. I cannot believe that the Giants they waited that one week to do waited. The site. They have just fired him and then Spagnolo would have went in there and been like. Alright, I don't- I- I- I have to start Eli. Fuck this plan. This plan is stupid. And now Eli's just gonna play the rest of the season. Like, now they don't get to see Web. The whole point was to see Web. Not Geno. You know Geno. You know he sucks. That's not the point. The point was to see Webb, but he had never dressed. I don't even think you're dressed for this game because Eli was standing there in a uniform. So if you're going to bench Eli and you want to see young guys, why are you even dressing? The whole the whole thing is so pathetic. Anyway, they they are they're in trouble. Jake: I mean, I don't know what they I don't know. Spagnall is going to go get the job again. Justin: Or, you know, well, he's never had the Giants head coaching job. He has been a head coach and he was bad at it. And I think you only lasted one season. Yeah, I think it was with the right the Giants like him I mean, they've had him before he was he was the defensive coordinator when they all run exactly. And they brought him back and he had a great run last year. And their defenses, I guess, OK this year. But I don't know if he's a head coach. They definitely they're going to have to interview and they said that they're going to hire a GM first and let the GM hire the coach. So. That's going to be their process and I'm sure Spagnolo will get a chance. And I guarantee you that Eli Manning will be a big subject of that interview process. I don't know if Eli will even have a maybe as the type of player that he is. He may even have a say.

39:00 Justin: Oh, I think it's the other way around. Jake: I think they're gonna say what we don't like to say, and which is a stupid thing, but they're gonna say we're in rebuilding mode. I think they should clean house. If I were the Giants, I'd be like, now's a good time. Yeah, do what the Jets just did. Do what the Jets just did, be done. Wooze the rest of the game, get rid of Eli. Let's tell the team that wants him that's competitive. He could probably put together two, three seasons. And if you're a team that's like the Jags, the Jags is like the Jags are Coughlin, but only because of Coughlin. Justin: No, because they have a bad quarterback and they're eight and four and they have a defense that's ready to roll. Right. They're all young. But that defense is super young and ready to roll. But defense is they have to do that. Atlanta has a good defense last year and then this year is not. I mean, they're very up and down, different coordinator. Like they changed everything. So the Jags are ready to roll. They just. Blake Bortles is fucking terrible. So honestly, I did not watch either of the Night Games this week. Jake: I did. I have no idea what's going on around the league. So I'm gonna ask some real questions because. Go ahead, I watched football. So dolphins, I'm skipping over, we talked about cowboys last week because we did our thing on Friday. Falcons lose the Vikings. Vikings are good. They're good. They're really good. Falcons have a chance making the playoffs now. They scored three field goals for the whole game. This is the team that last year had like one of the best and high powered offenses. Justin: Again, two new coordinators, just not the same. Jake: Do you think he's on the hot seat? Justin: No. No, Quinn? Nah, you don't make the Super Bowl and then like the next year get fired. Jake: I feel like I've seen the Chargers get into the playoffs and go, you know. Two rounds in the playoffs, fire the coordinator, or fire the head coach. They like to do it, people like to do it. Titans beat up on the Texans. Yeah, whatever. That's just inter-divisional. Yeah. What is gonna happen? Justin: And Macho Man Savage. That's, he's fucking terrible. Jake: I think the big one of the week in Blowout World, the Dolphins, 35-9 over the Broncos. Broncos are poopy pants. Broncos can't even score a touchdown. I think that's just field goals. Seaman. Justin: Seaman back in the game. I mean, what are they doing? Oh, they got nothing there They're I think they're shitting the bed. They were gonna help him this week Yeah, I think we probably we're gonna help them. We're gonna help them Now that game that was in Miami. Yeah, they're a little different at home They're a little bit but that defense is supposed to be good not letting up 35 points I know a couple where dolphins right? I know a couple not letting Kenyan Drake run all over you Jake: And we shut out the dolphins. Didn't we? No, they got touched down the last two seconds of the game. Justin: We pretty much shut out. That was with JHIE too. Cult suck. Jaguars are good. You happy with your jags? Very happy with my jags. Yeah, up and down. It was a year early on my jags. Jake: Bucks still considered to sucks. Yeah, they suck. But you don't want to go against the Packers at home. I'm sorry, doctors. That's why I picked them. That's why I'm doing really well in the picks. And you're doing doing. Justin: Hey, they have a chance. I know Rogers can come back week 15.

42:02 Justin: That's crazy. And if only just plays another, you know, another solid just hang in there type of game. They have a shot. Jake: Ravens continue their dominance. Ugh. 44-20 over the Lions. Yeah, they were, I think they were. Lions need a head coach change, yes? Justin: Yeah, he's a bad head coach. I don't really give a flying fuck that he's made a Super Bowl. Peyton Manning made that Super Bowl, not him. And... He made the playoffs with Detroit once, fine. He looks like a shitty- he just looks like a shitty coach. He just stands there. A.B.E. AFC East matchup Patriots. 23-3 over the Bills. With Nate Peterman finishing that one. Oh, did Tyrod go out? Yeah. Hurt? Uh... But saying not a long-term thing is day to day. Bills finish you a croc- Under 500. Did you see what Gronk did? No. How's oh he's been it for a game. Yeah, did you see why so there's a play on the sideline where? A Bill's player I think A defender it was either an interception or fumble. I didn't see the whole play I just saw the end of it where he's lying on the sideline and he's out of bounds and like For some reason the pads felt the need to touch him down. So like a Patriot goes over and like touches him. So it's down. Right. Then Gronk comes flying in out of nowhere and does a full on like elbow to the helmet. Like a wrestling move. You got to see the video. Jake: All right. I'll go see it. Justin: He just flies in out of nowhere. Gronk Gronk just flies in and hits this defender in the helmet. Wow. And like the guy you could see is like shaking like. Can you get one game for that? Out of bounds, play is over. Play was over. Play was dead. He just literally like off the top rope. Macho Man Randy savaged him. Wow. It was crazy. I couldn't believe he did this hit. It was so stupid. I'm surprised that maybe the guy hit him earlier in the game. Low or something. Did he snatch his chain? He didn't snatch his chain. No, he didn't snatch his chain. 49ers win a game. Jimmy G, want to know? Bears as a starter. Bears trying to prove that they are the worst key team in the league. Jake: And it's and I think John Fox probably gonna get fired. Oh my god. He never stays anywhere Justin: But if anybody thinks he made the super bowl with the with the chargers 19 Browns 10 Chargers are on a roll. They're on a roll. They're on a roll still can't win a game. No, they suck Jake: Can they win the go? I think they can't I think they're done. They might go. I think they're gonna go Justin: We already talked about giants Jackson will if He finishes the season. Yeah. And they go 0 and 16. He'll have a 1 and 31 record. That's amazing. That's amazing is right. Saints at home meet up. And they still fuck up and don't draft the quarterbacks. Like they could have had once, they could have had Watson, they could have had anyone they wanted. Jake: Well, everybody was so happy with them last year. After that draft, everybody gave them high marks. Yeah. Justin: Good job accumulating all those picks. That then they- Good job. Right. But you have a shitty coach who can't coach up the shitty picks.

45:04 Justin: When at home against the Panthers, Panthers doing exactly what I said. They're up, down, up, down, up, down, up, down. The Saints are good. That Alvin Kamara is fucking... He is real good. ...wowsers. Jake: Rams destroy the Cardinals. Yeah, they did. 32-16. They're good, by the way. Ram, yeah. I think if you're a team going in from that... You know that you don't want to see the Rams. I don't think you want to see the Rams. You don't want to see that off It's not a home thing. It's just like they got no no no they don't even have a home field advantage Justin: No, they don't but you don't want to see that and then the two games Jake: I didn't see but so I don't know anything about it But see but I think we were talking about it, and I was like hey if if Carson Wentz could go into Seattle and actually do something like we'll be out of Justin: Disrespected by being a five and a half point underdog at guess what they did they basically show basically said this is Seattle motherfucker this is where you come to die so he didn't do too well yeah the shine had to come off him he can't just be like playing out go into Seattle on a Sunday night oh I would have put up 35 points Jake: would have been really impressed oh yeah totally yeah but you know didn't no you didn't and then finally last night's game Steelers Bengals I guess the Steelers would have come back they were down the whole game really yep didn't watch it Justin: didn't watch any of it Uh, Stuar is now 10 and 2 matched with the Patriots. They play in week 15. That's gonna be a good game. That is the game to watch. Jake: That's just the game that will be. Alright, let's get out of here and let's head on over to the world of... What are we doing? Are we picking games? No, well first we're gonna talk about the Jet Kingdom Fantasy League. So let's talk about who's in the playoffs, since I know you want to, since you're in the playoffs. Justin: I gotta pull out my phone. Jake: Oh, no, I'll do it. Alright, you do it. Alright, so... Oh Justin: The Jet Kingdom Fantasy League right now in the standings. Uh... The playoffs start this week in most fantasy formats. Jake: Yup. And, and by the way, if you're still on the league, like, or you are in the league, the loser teams play. So don't, like, don't, like in the art of the league that you're in and I'm out, Justin: like, we don't play. Yeah. There's nothing. Losers play, but don't touch the waiver wire if you're in the loser bracket. Be a, be a... Be a sport. Yeah. Well, that's a like knock it off. But yeah, I tied this week. I got fucking I get I get fucked with a tie How do you want to die? That's why decimals are very important six six We actually have decimals now that we have the defensive individual players, but they're only just half. Apparently I died. So yeah Not really So looking at the... What do the standings look like? So standing it's you in the East, it's you and hey Darnold at nine and four both of you. Jake: Nine and four. In the West it's a big Zach attack and winning is sinning. So let's see, where's my... Where's the playoff bracket? Yeah I'm trying to get there. A playoffs week one. We have... Who do I got? Who do I got? Winners bracket, you're going to guess winning is seeing... You're going to have Gareth. Meredith. Garroth, you're mine, bitch. And hey, Donald's going, hey, Donald, Jack, Dobson, so the Dobson twins are in there. The others are in the playoffs. And then the big sack attack, Brian is going in.

48:00 Jake: I don't think he's ever done anything real in the league, but eight and four, so that's the first matchup. Justin: So that's cool. All right, that's two weeks. We play each other. I know. Jake: And remember, you still got to do your stuff. You have to have your jets and you cannot. I think Cara the lost one last one time because he did have it in there. Justin: Travis Kelsey this past week, he had a great game. Like, he didn't have him in the lineup. Still one, though. Some fucking awesome. Yeah. All right. Jake: Hey, I didn't care about the league until you still don't care. Still don't care. Still don't care what other things you don't care about. Like the Jet Kingdom pick them where you're continuing to beat. I have my bye week. Justin: Terrible. How did I do last week? You did okay. You actually had like eight. Week 13 I had eight. I actually the best week. I had nine and I won the week. I have the little green next to me. You had nine, I had eight. Well that's really close. Jake: Yeah but I'm at 98. Three points away from the top. Justin: Yeah but you didn't take a bye week yet. Jake: And you have 82. You didn't take a bye week yet. So you're out and I'm fighting. I'm in there. Like I pass Gareth, terrible pick. So I'm feeling good. But let's get to the picks. And whatever it is, don't pick whatever he picks. Justin: Yeah, just pick against, well, eight. I mean, you would have went eight and eight if you would have went. against me. It's basically the same. Alright let's do it. So we have a Thursday Nighter and it's actually a good one I think. We have New Orleans at Atlanta and that's a division game should mean something right in that division. That one's close. You got the three teams at the top are pretty good. New Orleans is number one. Yeah, right Carolina and then Atlanta so New Orleans is favored on the road Point must win for Atlanta must must win for Atlanta. That's why I'm gonna pick them pick New Orleans their offense is Really fucking good. Yep. Cuz they don't even have to throw anymore They just run it on you or just dump it to these running backs and they just go for like 60 yards Yep, both of them are amazing Wow, okay. All right, that's Thursday night. Let's move on how many four o'clock. So he says one two three four five Red zone is Including a Jets game. The red zone is hopping. All right. That is good. We're at Monday night. We're a four Oh five. So we're very regional. All right. That's fine. Well, then it's better. We have less commercials and we start earlier. So that's good. All right. You go. All right. So Cincinnati is hosting Chicago. Cincinnati coming off that bad loss to Pittsburgh is favored by seven. That's too much for me even against Chicago. They're just Cincinnati just sucks and they had some injuries. Their running back situation is now pretty dire. Perfect was also hurt. So I like Chicago. Yeah, I like since he at home Chicago was Terrible. They're just SACO. Green Bay's at Cleveland. Green Bay needs a win.

51:01 Justin: Green Bay's favored by three. Only three? I'm taking Green Bay. If you were to ask me to pick that line, I would've guessed it would be more like six or seven. Yeah. Seems low. I would've said this would've been one of the games of the weeks, but now it seems like a shit game. We have Kansas City hosting Oakland, and Kansas City's favored by four. I think that's one too many. I'll take... Oakland to hang in there and maybe lose by a field goal. I mean, I don't know I just watching suck Jake: I just watched the Kansas City defense Basically, let us score the most points we've ever scored house and we're selling Lynch not gonna run all over them Or them just pass all over them. I don't know. So I just feel like okay our cars clearly better than Josh McCown and they have better wide receivers if they play. Justin: Well, perhaps you'll be back. I don't know if Cooper from a concussion you never know. Yeah, I never know. Okay. One week is kind of the thing you see, but we'll see. It's funny how football players stay out for one week for a concussion. Baseball players maybe like three months. There you go. Baseball. Yeah. Where they get hit. Very very. All right. Dallas at New York marquee matchup one o'clock very very odd that that's the one o'clock. Usually Dallas Giants would be a four or even a Sunday night that maybe that was flexed out. So who Sunday now be weird if that was I bet that might have been flexed out anyway Dallas at New York this line moved. From six to four and a half because he was playing well probably because mac was fired and whatever I'm gonna pick the giants getting four and a half at home. This is one of those. Yeah, let's do it for ui and We fucking hated macadoo, and we like spags So let's just do this. I just don't I just don't think that I think that's great and I love that I just love the theory behind it. I don't have the talent to do it. You're right, but i'm gonna pick it anyway. All right Would have liked the six, but I'll take the four and a half six. I might have been on board So you got Dallas? I get that. Okay.. So I'm just gonna pick the home team I'm just gonna pick Jake: Yep, I'll take Tampa Justin: Minnesota at Carolina Minnesota favorite by two and a half I'm gonna take Minnesota. They're good. Minnesota is good Although this would be the bounce back game if Carolina is doing this Jake: They're going up and down. This will be the game. Actually, Minnesota is really good though. I'm switching it. No, I'm switching it This is exactly what Carolina does. They go up and down up and down They played a bad game watch them just light it up put up a 41 points That's just what they do. And they're better at home. They're much better at home. Justin: It's going to be nuts when Minnesota is going to probably be one of the top two seeds, right? They're like, what do they have to chance to go to the role with their own stadium? They might not have to leave home.

54:03 Jake: That actually, the NFL hates that because it doesn't allow them to actually get the stadium ready. Justin: Well they have the the week in between Let's just say they go 13 and 3. They lose like one more game. Let's say they make the championship game. They lose. But Case Keenum the whole way. What do they do? Is Case Keenum the answer? How old is Case Keenum? He's not old. He's just bad. We've seen the Case Keenum show. We've seen him in Houston. We've seen him in... With this Rams team, that golf is now... I think if they're looking at... Jake: I feel like you could get him for like I,,. like I I alcoholism Justin: I guess games not expensive, but maybe some team is like, whoa, you just let a team 13 and three into the championship game. I'm gonna throw some money at you then. What do you do? Yeah, that's like it. They're gonna have a That their offseason is gonna be fun to watch. Okay, I think all right last one o'clock Houston is hosting Jimmy G and the San Francisco 49ers and Houston is favored by two and a half and that's just too much because gropple is undefeated as a starter For San Francisco, he's there gonna go on a run. They're not gonna like it because their whole plan was to like no Sorry Houston. No. Thank you. I got Jimmy. No, I hope Jimmy becomes a free agent. That'd be a fun scenario Jake: All right, let's just be awesome at this were the year the like free agent quarterbacks and like we had all the fucking money Well, we do have all the money and we just think we have the guys to be available Like I think it's 49. It's Browns 49ers us in terms of most money Justin: Sure But if you're a quarterback and you get to choose between like all those teams You're probably gonna choose the Niners in all fairness, right? You're gonna choose the night and shape better franchise And the head coach is an offensive head coach, right? You're not gonna choose the Browns. You don't even know who the coach is gonna be. It's not gonna be you Jackson, but you don't know who it's gonna be and you're not gonna choose them anyway. But why wouldn't you choose the Jets? I think we have a lot to offer. I think what is proving out to be a good offensive coordinator and a good system, I have some talent. Jake: I will say for the argument of let's just not tank and let's play the team and be a good competitive team for that argument. Justin: I think it's. I think it's. I think it helps for free agents. It definitely does. It says, whoa, plus one. Plus one for that coach. Look at that team. Jake: This team was supposed to be the worst team in football and look they've actually won games. And they've been competitive. And the leader is not.

57:01 Jake: Yep. Justin: I think for that reason we have to route for like hey if we Whatever. I think we're going eight and eight. Then it'll be lost the four game thing So I thought we'd win like two games. All right, let's keep going here at four o'clock So Tennessee is at Arizona Arizona sucks Tennessee's favorite on the road by three, but Tennessee on the road. This is actually a good line because I have no idea who to pick I'll just dog Arizona. I'm going to take Tennessee on the road. Both of those two stink. All right. Then we have two L.A. in a row. L.A. Chargers are hosting. Jake: Can we just talk about how is the fucking stupidest thing you've ever fucking seen to have the NFL and the L.A. rate the NFL so far, but it's not them. It's the owners. The NFL has nothing to do with this. Justin: They don't lobby one way. No, they can't. Really, they don't care. The NFL doesn't care. The NFL is the number 31 dudes. Well, one woman. But they don't care. You don't think they care at all? They can care, but it's not them that make the decision. All right,- The owners make- The Chargers people and the Rams, find the Rams, whatever. Jake: It's the other owners let this happen. Justin: Woody Johnson let this happen. To have the Chargers move from San Diego. Los Angeles seems like really stupid why I do have a little bit of inside inside knowledge about this Are you allowed to say whatever you're gonna say? Yeah, the reason should have said no would have made it more exciting Sorry, try again. We'll cut that out. You allowed to say you're about to say no, but you're saying anyway, you motherfucker. The reason is Jake: Don't record this. Okay, stop recording. Alright. Hey producer. Yeah, stop recording. The reason is because no owner wants to say to another owner. Right. Because. When they want to do their stupid fucking thing. That's it. They don't want the other owner being like, Oh yeah, you want your new fire stadium? Fuck you. Yeah, it's like politics. Exactly. Justin: Fuck you. Billionaires and what do you need like? 366% I don't even know something I think you need a higher than that Jake: But no one's gonna say no because listen the charges owners don't give a fuck because oh you're the charges you want to go from San Diego to Los Angeles don't matter me give a fuck Justin: Yeah, you know you're the more fun to go to LA you want to go from st. Louis to the why do I I'm Jake: Jets if I'm the Giants if I'm fucking craft or whatever do I give a fuck you probably don't know all I care about Justin: Is you make more money right? Jake: Get that better stadium. That's right because when I want to build my new stadium what you just built a 2.4 billion dollar stadium Justin: Well now I want to go my for a million dollars. I'm gonna have a bigger dick on it. That's right That's why but the chargers. I really don't understand. I know that they didn't have a great fan base in San Diego, but I know that was mostly cuz like you know You have to get people to the games with other things too like you know they have a fan base

1:00:02 Justin: They just couldn't get people to a dilapidated stadium find them I don't mind them moving it's just think going to the place that another team just moved to To New York well, I'm sorry they're going to Vegas they're going to Vegas Jake: I think that's what should happen the charges should have gone to Oakland Justin: Oh, I would've been really weird. Oakland Chargers. Jake: Well, I mean Las Vegas fucking Raiders would be the best thing that's ever happened to football. So that one's amazing. Justin: Las Vegas Raiders. I can't wait to go to a game in Vegas. It's gonna be nothing but people coming from out of town. Yeah, it's gonna be, Oakland's gonna sort of lose their home field. Because people are don't care to fly like, yeah, I'm flying a Vegas. Jake: Yeah, fuck. Yeah, I'm flying for no fucking other reason. Yeah, I'll hang out my biggest all night. Justin: And then I'm just going to go to a game. I literally I could open. I'm going to open. You know, you know that we're going to work. Only we may play them next year, but they're not there for two years. Well, whenever they get there, whatever. All right. Let's keep doing this. Chargers are what we just played them this year. We played their division, so we'd have to. It'd be three years from now or we align with them in the standings away It's not for a number of years. Yeah three years Jake: Great they'll be in there be there. Yeah, so way next year Jacksonville, Tennessee, Chicago, Detroit, AFC North Justin: No, no, you don't have that yet. Jake: Yeah, I do. You can't possibly have it. This is not over. No, but I have it. Yes, I do. I have it. Justin: These are the upcoming ones. That's the away. No, you can't possibly know all the teams that we're playing yet because the season's not over. Jake: Uh-huh. I do. I have a list here. Well, whatever that list is. 19. It's Baltimore away. Baltimore, Cincy, Philly, Washington and AFC South. Justin: NFC South. AFC South. That's wrong. Okay, maybe it's not wrong. But how can you name AFC teams like Baltimore and Cincinnati? Jake: Well, because we play the NFC East. Well, that's not Baltimore and Cincinnati. No, but we played Baltimore, Cincy. Justin: But that's the AFC Washington, Dallas, and Giants in 2019. But then you went on to say the AFC South. Yeah, that's what it says here. But that's wrong. Okay, well it could be wrong, but I'm sure I'm reading what I'm picking out. Jake: Well, what website are you on? I copied this from some website. Justin: Oh, well that's so wrong, dude. Like, you know how the schedule works, right? Yeah, it doesn't make sense that we would play them. No, but you do understand how the schedule works, right? I do. Okay. A little bit. You don't. I do. But you don't. Yes, you play an entire division. So you play your division, right? Yes, twice. And you play home and away. Another one. Then you play an entire other AFC division. Two teams at home, two teams on the road. That's correct. Okay, then you play an entire NFC division. That's correct. Two teams at home, two teams on the road. And then you play a different season. And then you play two more games.

1:03:01 Justin: Better seeded. They're the other They're the other two divisions in your conference. So let's say we played obviously the AFC East and the AFC North, right? so we play the whole north we'd play Pittsburgh we'd play the Ravens and We played sincey and we play the Browns and then we would have to play whoever if we finish second Because we're never gonna finish first, right? We play the second place team in the AFC West right and then we play the second place team in the AFC South. Okay, so when I said we played AFC West and AFC North, why is that wrong? Because you can't play two whole divisions. Jake: No, it's the... Idiot, it's the team from there. Justin: Yeah, but you can't know who that is in 2019. Jake: I know! It's just saying the AFC South, it means the... Justin: Okay, well I was... Jake: The way I was reading it and the way you were understanding it was... I'm reading the teams and then I'm saying a team from the AFC South. And you need another one. And an A team for AFC West. OK. At home. That's what I was reading. Got it. I was right. I just was reading it wrong. Yeah, we're just reading it wrong. Because I'm reading it. OK. Justin: So it shows you all the teams and then it says here's the two that you don't know yet. So when do we play the entire AFC West? Because we're doing it this year. So it wouldn't be until 2020. It's yeah. It's the one I don't have is 2020. Jake: So that's what I was saying. So in 2018, we play road games, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Chicago, Detroit, and a team from the AFC North. Got it. Yeah, that can be fun. On 2019, we play away, other than our fucking idiots. The Ravens the Bengals the Eagles the Redskins and 18 Justin: We have a Giants home game that year. Yeah, we do sweet and Dallas. That's two good ones and Pittsburgh Yeah, and Cleveland and cleaved the cleave we get to beat the clean everyone wants to go to the cleave for a week All right. Let's go. Let's keep Jake: home next year Justin: And Minnesota which could be good and Indianapolis we made home that I don't go to that one I got kicked out of that one. Actually, I'll get into it. There's ways. Alright, alright. Keep going. I'm trying to fucking. Jesus Christ. The L.A. Chargers are hosting Washington and their favorite by too much, seven. I'm gonna take Washington. I don't like Washington on the road. And then. They're not a good team. Just across town there in LA, the Rams will be hosting another NFC East team, Philly, and the Rams are favored by one. This is a good game. This is a good game. This is Wens first golf. This would be the game that I'd like to watch if the Jets weren't playing. Definitely. But this will be on another screen. Wens first golf. Yeah, that's good. One and two. That's good. Think how do you think the Rams feel now like a year later? He's in a good system There's some players around him girlies pretty fucking awesome Jake: I feel they probably feel good right the feel the thing that I feel I don't remember all the things they gave up and

1:06:02 Justin: We've always talked about it's like yeah, so to Philly though They both moved up, but how much they give up how many picks I don't know They always give up their one thing is the Rams had them to give up because they had done it previously. They had they had been the recipient of a bunch of stuff. Jake: So I think it's not really about this year. I feel like it's in like five years from now or three years from now. Next year and the year after, when you don't when you didn't get to build a team. and you don't have a lot of talent on the team that's not just one or two dudes. So like, I think Philly's like kind of suffering for it now. Like, do they have talent running back? No, that's why they had to go out and like get, you know, a Jaiji. Justin: And they did sign Leguirt Blunt and they had, that's just signing, you know. Well, Leguirt Blunt's actually still halfway decent and they did have, what's his face? Sproles, but he got hurt. Sproles, small wood. But all sprulls is good. I'm gonna take Philly cuz I just don't feel like I'm gonna take the Rams All right, keep going Jacksonville's hosting Seattle Jacksonville favored by three That's the that's the old it doesn't matter but it totally matters west east. Well, it's 425. It's not one o'clock still a tough Well, it's 425. It's not one o'clock. I agree. The one o'clock's when it like kind of matters. The 425. It's a bit from here. I'm pointing up here. Yeah. Way up, way up northwest to way down southeast. Yep. It could be worse. Could be Miami. Could be. That's a little lower. Another 45 minutes. I'll take Jacksonville. Whoo, I know against your Russell Wilson. I'm gonna do it I'm gonna take Seattle and take those points if that was in Seattle take Seattle with no matter Seattle would be favored there Jake: But yeah, they're favored by ten. I take them but I don't I think Jacksonville's a pretty good game Justin: They're pretty good at home Just don't know if they're gonna be able to run on Seattle and that's a problem If they can't run what are they gonna do? Wait, Whirl's gonna light them up That's kind of not a thing. Remember, Legion Boom not really around anymore they did okay with W Wentz Yeah, I didn't know that's at home, but yeah, they kind of stopped him. All right keep going. All right Pittsburgh On Sunday night, ooh Sunday night, always Sunday night, Sunday night, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Sunday night, too many points, seven and a half. It's like that's this game's close. You don't that game shouldn't be more than a touchdown. That's silly. I know Baltimore is not great, but like this line should be three, three and a half. I think you're getting a free four points here for Baltimore. You're getting free? Yeah, they're just giving you the points. I'm taking them. Jake: I think I'm taking Pittsburgh. I don't know the Ravens. I haven't seen enough of the game. I just Justin: don't know them as a team. So Pittsburgh lost some dudes last night. Who they lose? Shazier went out and it was one of those like... Right. Like helmet. type of hit and his legs weren't moving and they carted him off and it was also one of those ones

1:09:03 Justin: where he went right to the hospital and Pittsburgh wasn't they were not telling you what was going on. Oh really? It was we keep asking the Pittsburgh PR team and they keep telling us we're not going to tell you anything. So and then his replacement came in. And he got hurt. So their linebacker crew is not healthy. And Antonio Brown has the bad toe and they played on Monday night. So it's a short week to recover from that. So we'll see. We'll see. We shall see Monday nights in AFC East matchup. So we skipped that one. Let's get to the FCE here. Oh, we didn't we didn't do that. Oh, flying fuck you. Fucking didn't do it. I'll just read them to you and then you throw them in there. Yes, I will. All right, so Buffalo's home. We have Indy at Buffalo and there's no line. It is off because we don't know if Tarad Taylor is going to play or not, I guess. If it's going to be the Peterman show or if it's going to be the Tarad Taylor show. So. I really have no clue. I mean I would pick this game I really would get wildly different if I knew who the quarterback was gonna be for Buffalo because if Terrod Taylor's playing I'm gonna pick the Bills to win the game at home against Indy because I don't think he's any good Right. I don't think the Bills are any good either But Indy's really not good the Bills can beat a team like Indy with Terrod Taylor playing but with Peterman Actually thinking he beats them so I don't know how to pick this game on the I'm gonna pick it assuming that we're gonna see Terrod Taylor. Oh you are that's how I'm gonna pick it cuz they said he's kind of day to day Okay, so I'm gonna go with 20 to 10 Assuming try to know if you mean try wasn't right. I think I would go 13 3 indie I went 13 12 indie without Jake: Tired Taylor 13 18 Bill's 1813 with Tyrod. I'm gonna do... I'll go with Tyrod. So 1813 Buffalo. Let's go Buffalo. Okay. We're gonna walk right into that middle of the ground. Just where we all are. Alright, New England at Miami. What's the... Justin: New England at Miami. This is Monday Night Game. And Miami's plus 12. 12 on a Monday night at home. 12. I don't know if you can make this line big enough. Just like the New England game and against Buffalo and it was like, oh, it's 15. Yeah, it didn't matter. They won by 20. It's true. I just have a thing. I don't know. Miami. They do. They do what we do. They stick it to England sometimes. Jake: They always get them somehow. Once a year. At home, on Monday night. Think this is a 34 Justin: 26 game is that really sticking it to them? No, but I feel like you're staying in there You're not gonna so I think it's what 34 26 New England. I've got it. I've got it 30 to 7 No, New England's defense is much better now than it was to begin the year, which is always

1:12:00 Justin: You could say that every year. That's true. Denver. What's the where they plus they got a plus Actually, I don't know if there was a line on this With the Jets. No, it's it's a pick them. It's a pick is it not an actual pick It's a pick. Um, it's a zero. This was the line is zero Disrespectful these guys who ready for points put up on them or something ridiculous. I just respectful to who does Why we're that's that's that we're basically getting we're giving three we're on the road We're on the road. We're a five and seven team on the road. Felfish is winning there with 35 nine We're on the road. I don't think so. I think that's traditional would have been Denver minus three Yeah, but it is not it's it's a pick. So let's talk about this game. All right and Cheque but Talib he's back. He's back cuz they have your corners Yeah, if they throw Talib on Robbie Anderson Robbie Anderson's gonna have a rough day So what is your hobby Anderson is not physical enough to deal with a keep to leave? No, he's faster though. Yes, but a kid to leave is is what physical super physical Yeah, you have the line actually thinking about this the other like literally last night It must have been while I was rewatching that jack game. Okay. And I was like, Oh, Revas, right? When he was good, fuck was he good? Like he's a hall of favor. We then like Charles Woodson was on TV last night on the Monday night countdown. I was like, he was probably the best corner before Revas was the best corner. Right. Went like Woodson to Revas and I was trying to think like. Okay, who's after Rivas in this chain? And I came up with Richard Sherman. Right. And now I was then I was trying to think, well, who's the next guy? Like Richard Sherman, probably a Hall of Famer at this point in his career. Probably. Like he could retire and be done and he probably makes the Hall of Fame. Won the Super Bowl, made some huge plays in his day. Kinda name big name. Yeah attitude. There is a name thing. Yeah, like that whole Legion of Boom probably Gets in there at some point. It's like Rebus Island like it gets there Anyway, and he won a Super Bowl to Rebus. He had to go to New England to get it the cheating bastard, but still right Who's the guy now? Like who's the best corner in the league right now? Who's that like dude? I was trying to come up with like, is it a keep to leave? But he's a little old too. Yeah, it's not him. The keep to leave is pretty damn good. I was thinking maybe it's Patrick Peterson. He has been kind of like hit or miss. Like right. I'm thinking about like, who's this consistent guy that you don't want to see on the other side of the ball? I was like not I mean I was thinking like like future it's probably Jalen Ramsey on The Jags, but this is just his second year, so I can't put him there yet, right?

1:15:02 Justin: I don't know who it is. I'm trying to find maybe like Marcus Peters on the Chiefs, but I don't know He's just like a dude who gets interceptions. He doesn't necessarily cover well Jake: tricky question yeah yeah I'm looking down a list here list of what I'm not looking just yeah I'm just looking it's just a stats list Justin: Darkey's done hard and Janour's Jenkins is pretty good on the Giants are you really like the best corner I don't think so Karim Jackson On Houston? No. I don't know who it is. Jalen Mills. It doesn't, yeah, I don't know if we like have one right now. I agree, there's probably not one. There's no one that I feel like right now anybody's like, oh man, you can't throw anywhere near that dude. Right, like don't throw to that guy's side of the field. No, never. You're gonna be in trouble. Don't forget the other side, Chris Harris is also excellent on Denver. Yes, like Denver's defense still in name Seems like a hard defense to score points against you've got you got Vaughn Miller still out there Yep, Shane ran the other side. You got to leave and Chris Harris out there on the corners It's like what do you do? How do you how do you beat this team? I think you got a run on them Jake: I think the way to beat them is beat them beat them on defense. Well, yeah, your defense. Yeah, it's whoever's defense scores more points wins the game. Justin: Yeah, they shouldn't be able to do much. I mean, what do they got to Mary's Thomas? OK, so we throw Claiborne on him. Not really worried about their running game. They shouldn't be able to run the ball on us at all. Not at all. I don't know if they even have a tight end. I don't really care. Manuel Sanders is like sort of done, right? Yeah Not gonna like beat you deep anymore I Honestly, I don't know what they how they how they score on us. I don't see it How do they score on us? I'm Denver's Like a pick six fumble recover humble down Well, how does their how does their offense move the ball on our defense? Like I don't see it happening Jake: Well, if I were looking at the game tape, if I were the... You're looking at the all 22? If I was looking at the all 22 from the Chiefs game, I'd be like, okay, do we have a fucking fast guy? Justin: Because you can beat them deep. Nope. They don't have... No one has a tree killer except for Kansas City. Jake: So... I think this game comes down to literally just mistakes. It's mistakes that are you going to win you or lose this game? Whoever makes one less mistake will win this game. It's gonna be a shit ton of puns Justin: There were no turnovers in the Chiefs game by the way. It's insane. None. So it's gonna be- we barely were even penalized The penalties were much better. Which is crazy because we're the worst Second worst and we had only five I think And the city had a ton. I just I just don't know how

1:18:02 Justin: I'm struggling to think of how Denver out like straight up out scores us and that's how you win games Just um and this is weird because it's kind of the first time this year that I've had this feeling of like Confidence rounds you had it the best sure the Browns game. I was like we're gonna win that game and we barely won it I just feel like we're gonna win this game. Here's the key to the castle, the real key to the castle. Yeah? Jake: Bad teams play down to teams. Good teams take teams out behind the woodshed, beat the fuck out of them. Yes, they do. The Patriots don't like, oh, we're playing a bad team. Okay, we win 20 to 17. Justin: Unless they're playing the Jets and you're an outsider and you're like, oh look, they just beat the Jets by like a touchdown. Jake: They just take them out. They play their game. They're better than you. They know it and they just fucking take you out But here's the thing the Jets they're not a good team. They're an inconsistent team and We have lots of penalties. We have turnovers. We have turnovers for touchdowns We don't fumble the ball a lot I come from an offensive standpoint like we don't fuck running backs assemble I don't think we're gonna be able to run the ball. We can't really run the ball. Justin: So it's really gonna be like Ken, Josh, McCown. Miami just ran over Denver. I think they they we can't run the ball. Miami didn't show me anything that said that they can run the ball when we played them. Remember I think they had two defensive touchdowns in that game. I know they had one. that Miami did. Oh, I didn't watch any of it. I mean, I was at the jet game. So again, I think that's where this game comes from. But Kenny and Drake had like 120 yards, just looking at statistics. Jake: I don't, I just don't think that, I just don't feel like we're gonna be able to run the ball. We're not a very good running team anymore. on the road, we're not a good, I mean, all the things are stacking up against us. Yeah, we're not a good road team. We're not a good road team. We're young, we're inexperienced. We have an older quarterback who has been playing out of his mind, but you know he's gonna have those games. And I feel like it's gonna be very tough. I could see just, I could literally see one of those things where there are just interception and then another interception, then like it literally just goes back and forth like with interceptions and fumbles. Like just a bad, bad football. It's gonna be bad football. I think they're gonna get a safety. Calling a safety. Calling a safety.. Calling a safety. Justin: Calling it now. And not like one of those weird safeties. Jake: Like a traditional drop back and he gets sacked and Vom Miller comes around and just fucking gets him. Saf thes. Hopefully he doesn't get a fucking strip sack and get a touchdown. But I think it'll be it'll be long, hard. You think Safarri and Jenkins will have a touchdown call back. We might hit. Well, it won't be at home. They call him back at home on the way. He'll be fine. I think we win this. It's just about mistakes. But I think if you just match up. I think their defense is better. I think our offense is better. Agree it is I think it's about Mctown not making bad choices. That weird our offense is better than theirs

1:21:07 Justin: Terrible, I know but it's weird to even say the chance offense is better, but we can actually mean Jake: yeah I mean we have not oh you're about to say something we can actually can actually score and we've gotten better as the season gone on they got worse Be on the drive, and be able to kick fuck your balls all along Cause I think you're gonna walk down past 30 pounds Again, at home, where that's a tough place to play Be on the ground, please So I think Jets can win But it's gonna be close, and painful, and ugly to watch 17.15 Justin: Jets jets jets. Wow you went before me. Um, yeah. Yeah, I I can't disagree with anything that you said Well, I just I'm again. I just don't see how they score More than 10 points on us if they score more than 10 points I'm gonna be after the showing that the defense had just this past week and the reaming that they're gonna get from the coaches This week for what they just did. I feel like they're the defense Because we don't really get shredded at home on defense. We just did, but OK. I'm just I'm saying that that's it. That was the only time we don't really get shredded. So that was kind of disappointing. So I think the defense is going to come out. Darren Leo be back. He'll have. Hopefully a sense of purpose there with like start the game regain my mojo here Mo will start the game. So we'll have him from from the get Jake: Yeah, I got it 2010 jets think it's like an interception thing just how many interceptions I think we might get three Justin: There's gonna be you're gonna get to be fun to watch as we get who they decide Cuz I mean the the matchups would you'd think would dictate. We have Kurz. You to leave just knock on his ass within the first five Watch how Robbie Anderson can get off the line of scrimmage

1:24:03 Jake: And Simeon's one of the most sacked fucking quarterbacks too. We're gonna get to him. We should get sacks and they're gonna get sacks Yeah, we give a sack If if McCown throws away If McCown throws away more balls then I feel like you'll have more throwaways than touchdowns. That'd be fine even more throwaways than like, I don't know what, something else. I just, I just, that's what I'm concerned is because if he gets into one of those, like trying to force it, trying to run away from Von Miller, you're going to get caught. Like don't do that. Just if the pocket breaks down. Also, our offensive line doesn't play well on the road. If we're not a good road, we're just not. We're good at home. We don't coast so well on the road. So I think it'll be close. All right, well, we'll be back next week. Regardless, are we going back next week? Yeah, I guess so. Why wouldn't we? I don't know, because sometimes we're not back. So I don't know if we just don't come back. Oh, by the way, I went three and oh last week in the jet kingdom in throne pecs because you picked against the jets. I did. Just want to let you know. I did. And you picked. No, you got the Miami one, although you got the score real wrong. Although I guess neither one of us. We got New England, although not as bad as it should have been. And then you picked the KC to win 21-17. Just saying. It's pretty bad. All right, so we'll be back next week, regardless. It's Jake. It's Justin. It's saying. You